[OSM-talk] Coastline anf blau background

2011-06-15 Thread Saphy Mo
Dear experts, I rendered some area by mapnik from  France and Germany derived from Europe.osm.bz2. But some part of them are blue. is it some problem with small coast line in this case? or no, that is because of some thing else? please see the attachment. Thank you in advance, Saphy <>_

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-15 Thread James Andrewartha
On 15 June 2011 11:56, David Murn wrote: > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 10:39 +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: >> On 15 June 2011 09:36, Richard Weait wrote: >> > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Ben Last wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi all >> >> As promised, with apologies for the delay, here is the statement fr

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-15 Thread James Andrewartha
On 15 June 2011 09:36, Richard Weait wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Ben Last wrote: >> >> Hi all >> As promised, with apologies for the delay, here is the statement from >> NearMap regarding submission of derived works of our PhotoMaps to OSM. > > Dear Ben, > > Thank you for providing

[OSM-talk] "Hack the Map" An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Parveen Arora
Hello Everyone, I am organising event to do online mapping, to increase the enrichment of OSM maps, also we have set up a lab to train the students and to make them able to work on OSM on that day. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hack_the_Map So My point is that, just like mapping parties inclu

Re: [OSM-talk] Poll on Governance, what constitutes news, wiki front page

2011-06-15 Thread TimSC
Hi all, This is in reference to the poll here: http://doodle.com/s2zg64vyaup72dcw An idea: can we try to make this discussion more constructive? I have tried to do so here, probably with mixed success. I am beginning to be burdened with non-constructive messages and we really don't have time

Re: [OSM-talk] "Hack the Map" An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Martijn van Exel
Parveen, On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Parveen Arora wrote: > Hello Everyone, > I am organising event to do online mapping, to increase the enrichment > of OSM maps, also we have set up a lab to train the students and to > make them able to work on OSM on that day. > http://wiki.openstreetmap

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-15 Thread Michael Collinson
+1 Much appreciated, both the statement itself and Ben's efforts to get it. Mike On 15/06/2011 03:36, Richard Weait wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Ben Last wrote: Hi all As promised, with apologies for the delay, here is the statement from NearMap regarding submission of derived

Re: [OSM-talk] Poll on Governance, what constitutes news, wiki front page

2011-06-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
TimSC wrote: Richard, can't we just live and let live? You're profile has the wise words to avoid "endless discussions" and go do stuff. I think it is possible since we recently dropped a discussion that was going nowhere, at your suggestion [5]. I respected your request - live and let live. I am

Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

2011-06-15 Thread Zolt Egete
Hello The latest planet file which we have downloaded is OK and we have started with the import Since osm2pgsql does not work for us since there is no sufficient memory we have tried with osmosis Now the reading part is OK since we have 4GB of ram and we also have an additional partition over

Re: [OSM-talk] "Hack the Map" An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Mike N
On 6/15/2011 4:53 AM, Parveen Arora wrote: Please give your valuable suggestions to make it better, also add the points that you wants to take care about during this kind of online event event. Just a note for the local venue - in many recent cases, the student edit activities will result in

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Andy Street
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 22:33 +0200, Michael Collinson wrote: > As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 this > Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical. This will > mean that anyone who has explicitly declined the new contributor terms > will no longer

Re: [OSM-talk] "Hack the Map" An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Parveen Arora
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Mike N wrote: >  Just a note for the local venue - in many recent cases, the student edit > activities will result in an automatic block on that IP address. The > automatic block is necessary to block those downloading large areas via the > API. You mean to block

Re: [OSM-talk] "Hack the Map" An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Mike N wrote: > On 6/15/2011 4:53 AM, Parveen Arora wrote: >> >> Please give your valuable suggestions to make it better, also add the >> points that you wants to take care about during this kind of online >> event event. > >  Just a note for the local venue - in m

Re: [OSM-talk] "Hack the Map" An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Parveen Arora wrote: > Hello Everyone, > I am organising event to do online mapping, to increase the enrichment > of OSM maps, also we have set up a lab to train the students and to > make them able to work on OSM on that day. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/H

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread john whelan
I'm also very interested in this. Thanks John On 15 June 2011 06:44, Andy Street wrote: > On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 22:33 +0200, Michael Collinson wrote: > > As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 this > > Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical. This

Re: [OSM-talk] "Hack the Map" An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Mike N
On 6/15/2011 7:00 AM, Parveen Arora wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Mike N wrote: Just a note for the local venue - in many recent cases, the student edit activities will result in an automatic block on that IP address. The automatic block is necessary to block those downloading larg

[OSM-talk] link on wiki to new research report

2011-06-15 Thread Hillsman, Edward
Hi all, One of my colleagues and I have completed a report on developing multimodal trip planners. The report focuses on open-source software, and open data sources such as OpenStreetMap and public transportation data in GTFS format. The report is available at http://www.nctr.usf.edu/2011/

Re: [OSM-talk] "Hack the Map" An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Parveen Arora
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Richard Weait wrote: First of all, thanks for your valuable response. > I'm sure there have been similar events before. Yes, I also thinks that there are many. > I apologize for being > critical of your event.  It seems to me that training new mappers > about OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] link on wiki to new research report

2011-06-15 Thread Richard Weait
Dear Ed, Wonderful. I've just had a quick look at the executive summary and will likely go through the rest of it in the next week. Looking forward to reading the rest of it. Best regards, Richard http://www.nctr.usf.edu/2011/05/enabling-cost-effective-multimodal-trip-planners-through-open-tra

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: "Andy Street" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 22:33 +0200, Michael Collinson wrote: As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to mo

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread NopMap
Mike Collinson wrote: > > I would emphasise there is currently no need to remove data from the > live database since the license is still CC-BY-SA. I believe there is no > urgency to do so until acceptances have been maximised, local issues > that have a near term solution have been addressed

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Chris Jones
On 15/06/11 11:44, Andy Street wrote: > On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 22:33 +0200, Michael Collinson wrote: >> As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 this >> Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical. This will >> mean that anyone who has explicitly declined

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Chris Jones wrote: > It seems a bit backward to block my new contributions just because > nobody got around to talking to the OS folks yet... There have been several attempts to engage with OS, if I remember correctly, both by LWG and by individual mappers. They

[OSM-talk] Nicaragua/Costa Rica border

2011-06-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, could someone familiar with the area have a look at this border. It looks wrong but I hesitate to armchair-fix it from thousands of miles away. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=11.0612&lon=-85.2039&zoom=14&layers=M (If you don't see a strange zig-zagging line then someone else has fixe

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 15 June 2011 14:41, Richard Weait wrote: > There have been several attempts to engage with OS, if I remember > correctly, both by LWG and by individual mappers.  They've been > resistant. There would presumably be no need to "engage with OS" if LWG was happy that the OS OpenData License was co

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Chris Jones
On 15/06/11 14:41, Richard Weait wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Chris Jones wrote: >> It seems a bit backward to block my new contributions just because >> nobody got around to talking to the OS folks yet... > There have been several attempts to engage with OS, if I remember > correctly

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Chris Jones wrote: > On 15/06/11 14:41, Richard Weait wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Chris Jones wrote: >>> It seems a bit backward to block my new contributions just because >>> nobody got around to talking to the OS folks yet... >> There have been s

Re: [OSM-talk] Nicaragua/Costa Rica border

2011-06-15 Thread colliar
Am 15.06.2011 16:17, schrieb Frederik Ramm: > Hi, > > could someone familiar with the area have a look at this border. It > looks wrong but I hesitate to armchair-fix it from thousands of miles away. > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=11.0612&lon=-85.2039&zoom=14&layers=M > > (If you don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Dave F.
On 15/06/2011 14:41, Richard Weait wrote: What seems backward to me is deciding to use a previously and famously "verboten" source for your edits without being perfectly clear that those edits are now permitted. Where was it pronounced it was forbidden? Under CC it was acceptable at the time o

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Grant Slater
On 15 June 2011 14:41, Richard Weait wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Chris Jones wrote: > >> It seems a bit backward to block my new contributions just because >> nobody got around to talking to the OS folks yet... > > There have been several attempts to engage with OS, if I remember >

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 June 2011 01:47, Dave F. wrote: > It's only as the deadline draws near that those in favour of the change are > trying to put the blame on the mappers for there potentially being a > conflict. I find this irritating. No, this isn't a new thing, this has pretty much existed ever since people

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-15 Thread Cartinus
On Tuesday 14 June 2011 19:28:52 Pieren wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > Just as a factual point: > > > > The Contributor Terms were posted to the mailing lists in September 2009 > > as far as I can see: > > > > > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/leg

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Eric Marsden
> "mc" == Michael Collinson writes: mc> As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 mc> this Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically mc> practical. This will mean that anyone who has explicitly declined mc> the new contributor terms will no longer be a

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Eric Marsden wrote: > > compared to over 191,000 who now contribute under the new terms. > > This is disingenuous communication, > > +1. Correct me if I am wrong but I remember a statement in last SOTM saying that 90% of the new accounts are never uploading anyth

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Dave F.
On 15/06/2011 16:55, John Smith wrote: On 16 June 2011 01:47, Dave F. wrote: It's only as the deadline draws near that those in favour of the change are trying to put the blame on the mappers for there potentially being a conflict. I find this irritating. No, this isn't a new thing, this has p

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Eric Marsden wrote: > Reading odbl.de, 60% of users have accepted the new contributor terms > in Europe (40% in the USA, the proportion worldwide is not shown). > There 417k users. So (extrapolating) 200k have not accepted the > new terms and 190k have accepted. > > Hopefully the decision on whethe

Re: [OSM-talk] "Hack the Map" An Idea for Online Mapping Events.

2011-06-15 Thread Russ Nelson
Richard Weait writes: > Please include real field work as part of your event. It is that real > field work that provides the very best, most current, data to a > mapper. Just one caveat to Richard's note: It's reasonable to use aerial photographs as a positional reference for your personal kno

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Josh Doe
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > [1] I suspect that when obvious bot edits are stripped out, the figure will > be a lot higher, especially in America. Certainly, looking around my local > area, the only significant "non-relicensable" objects are ways edited by > someone

[OSM-talk] Community important, license unimportant

2011-06-15 Thread Russ Nelson
Kate, I appreciate your dislike of all the worry about the license, and I agree with it. My biggest take-away from being on the Open Source Initiative board of directors for 13 years was that: community matters; licenses don't. So here we have a situation where 20% of the people think it's really i

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 14:49 -0400, Josh Doe wrote: > Perhaps it is trivial, but I have yet to hear of anyone working on a > script or even pseudocode as to how the "cleanup" will be performed. > > Seems like an important item to address IMHO. > -Josh According to the implementation plan, sometime

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Am 14.06.2011 22:33, schrieb Michael Collinson: I would emphasise there is currently no need to remove data from > the live database since the license is still CC-BY-SA. I believe there is no urgency to do so until acceptances have been maximised, local issues that have a near term solution hav

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Am 15.06.2011 06:59, schrieb Russ Nelson: Michael Collinson writes: > As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 this > Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical. This will > mean that anyone who has explicitly declined the new contributor terms

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: "David Murn" To: "Josh Doe" Cc: ; "Richard Fairhurst" Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 14:49 -0400, Josh Doe wrote: Perhaps it is trivial,

[OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-15 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
Back in 2006 I wrote the following when it still wasn't clear what the ODbL acceptance terms would be like: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 22:10, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > If someone presents me with a boolean "Do you allow relicensing under > the ODbL" I'll have to say no because some of my edits

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100%of my data?

2011-06-15 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" To: "OpenStreetMap blather" Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:06 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100%of my data? Back in 2006 I wrote the following when it still wasn't clear what the O

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-15 Thread john whelan
Exactly my own situation, except following poor advice I accepted the new CT. Apparently it is not possible to change the CT status and my formal request to have my suspect data deleted seems to have been ignored. My recommendation is not to accept the CT, and reenter those items that you did fro

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-15 Thread Toby Murray
If only there were a way to indicate the *source* of a given object... This is obviously hindsight and doesn't help at this point in your situation but seriously... The source=* tag: use it. Toby On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:48 PM, john whelan wrote: > Exactly my own situation, except following p

Re: [OSM-talk] Community important, license unimportant

2011-06-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 June 2011 04:54, Russ Nelson wrote: > As usual, the majority is right, and the minority (both 20%'s!) are > wrong. The question that we need to worry about is not the legal terms > of the license, but instead: will changing the license hurt the > community more than leaving it alone. I'm not

Re: [OSM-talk] link on wiki to new research report

2011-06-15 Thread Mike N
On 6/15/2011 7:41 AM, Hillsman, Edward wrote: One of my colleagues and I have completed a report on developing multimodal trip planners. The report focuses on open-source software, and open data sources such as OpenStreetMap and public transportation data in GTFS format. The report is available a

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Heiko Jacobs-2 wrote: > > Am 15.06.2011 06:59, schrieb Russ Nelson: >> Michael Collinson writes: >> > As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 >> this >> > Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical. This >> will >> > mean that anyone who has ex

[OSM-talk] Tag "AND_a_nosr_p" and source="AND"?

2011-06-15 Thread Joseph Koshy
I have seen the tags "AND_a_nosr_p=" and "source=AND" associated with some nodes in OpenStreetMap. For example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/245622615/history Would anyone know what the context for these tags is? I can't seem to find documentation for the 'AND_a_nosr_p' tag, or t

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag "AND_a_nosr_p" and source="AND"?

2011-06-15 Thread Brad Neuhauser
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AND On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Joseph Koshy wrote: > I have seen the tags "AND_a_nosr_p=" and "source=AND" > associated with some nodes in OpenStreetMap. For example: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/245622615/history > > Would anyone know w

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread Russ Nelson
Heiko Jacobs writes: > Am 15.06.2011 06:59, schrieb Russ Nelson: > > Michael Collinson writes: > > > As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 this > > > Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical. This > > will > > > mean that anyone who ha

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag "AND_a_nosr_p" and source="AND"?

2011-06-15 Thread Joseph Koshy
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AND Thanks, a reference has been added to the wiki page for 'Key:source'. -- Koshy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > I've been away for a while. But it seems to me from reading the terms > that I can't say yes to them in good faith, not because I don't want > to, but because I remember I derived a few things from external > CC-BY-SA, and I can't n