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then it would be nice to be able to include it?
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that I have in
historic data IS no longer physically present is the other 5% ... ( actually
probably 99.5 to 0.5 )
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unacceptable, and so it's perhaps deciding the rules moving forward that we need
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be taking note of the star_date and
end_date anyway ...
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for probably 99% of historic mapping
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to the main one ... I'd just be happy with the one I
was using ...
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since we have addresses from birth
certificates :)
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be acceptable, but simply tagging a node is not the right way
to provide ALL of the information that would be useful when it comes to
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OSM has no way of including that data :(
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to highway=ford ... so that the way detail can be added?
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eventually be obliterated by future development, on the whole the road system
in London for example has simply evolved and expanded so all that is needed is
to know when a road first appeared? No clutter as such, just currently missing
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http://lsces.co.uk/mapper/display_map.php is slowly getting there. but I
need to make the selected map more switch-able so I can run the original
Isle of Man historic maps as well.
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make the selected map more switch-able so I can run the original Isle of Man
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idea, it is total bloat when it comes to the
volume of data in OSM. Numeric flags for a lot of core data would remove one
hell of a lot of duplication ... and can quite easily be returned as full XML
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interested groups could translate would make sense !!!
There is no censorship or ulterior motives of all the crap being on legal-talk -
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. Perhaps we just have to give
up and simply let them? And publicise the free alternative better ...
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Alan Mintz wrote:
At 2010-07-12 23:45, Lester Caine wrote:
...
As others have pointed out, 'brand' may be a better choice of 'name'
in some cases, but in reality there are THREE possible tags in many of
these cases. For example
name=the fancy hotel
brand=best western
operator=the local best
with any other tags can carry on working happily with
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to be specifically identified, and we had this
discussion some years ago when the *_link tags were added!
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road to another, and not just
another road? Tag it motorway when it goes to another motorway where is the
division between motorway and slip road. It needs something to identify the
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On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk
mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
Ed Avis wrote:
Isn't this tagging redundant? If a link road leads from a
primary to a
secondary, or whatever, this can be seen by looking at the tags
reasons, and it would be nice to see the state of things at a particular
snapshot in time. Following the development of London for example
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redesign it ... lets just use it ...
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way
as the roads?
'Safe' for pedestrians to use is simply undefinable as we have already decided
when trying to identify URBAN areas where one would not walk on one's own! MAPS
can't define what is safe. But they should at least show alternatives where
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the 'loot' over, the thefts I've seen around here would not have
had any problem 'radioing home' ;)
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, and was to do
with
the differences between these, memorial and monument
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Dave F. wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
But well mapped rivers don't have ways down their middle
Really?
Care to expand on that please?
MOST rivers are now being mapped fully and so are areas rather than a line with
some arbitrary width. So there is no 'way' corresponding to some arbitrary mid
Ed Loach wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
Dave F. wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
But well mapped rivers don't have ways down their middle
Really?
Care to expand on that please?
MOST rivers are now being mapped fully and so are areas rather
than a line with
some arbitrary width. So
Shaun McDonald wrote:
On 25 Apr 2010, at 07:57, Lester Caine wrote:
If a footpath gets moved do you think I should still show a way mark
it as 'this is where it used to go'?
'closed=2007' makes perfect sense to me. People then coming back to an area
that
they walked 30 years ago would
Dave F. wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
Dave F. wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
But well mapped rivers don't have ways down their middle
Really?
Care to expand on that please?
MOST rivers are now being mapped fully and so are areas rather than a
line with some arbitrary width. So there is no 'way
changes made to the 'historic' copy when in fact
it
is the 'current' version that is being changed?
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Kirill Bestoujev wrote:
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Of cause what is missing here is that since this 'vote' was only in
Russian then
the vast majority of us would not even be able to vote anyway. There
should
perhaps be a rule
definition of landuse should follow the
international standards, and that includes 'military' as a basic definition
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slop' that the rest
of the world does not want to start down? If RUSSIA's secret data is sanitised,
then how many other counties are going to expect the same treatment?
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that they have a problem with, then THAT needs a
little more tactful handling! However the history of these changes will still
be
maintained. So an alternative method of 'correcting the mistake' will be
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of the building details are now filtering through from the NLPG database.
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with lower case names. A bit of a pain when using Linux - obviosuly OS
is
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that we need hierarchic lists overlying the physical
data so that one can search for locations in that tree, and postcode is just
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Vincent Pottier wrote:
Le 02/04/2010 09:01, Lester Caine a écrit :
Looking at the post code data that has just been 'open sourced' by the UK
government I am beginning to realise part of the problem here. We are
trying to
create a generic solution when in reality there are distinct
Data available tomorrow (Thursday) at
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendata .
Looks like the demand is too great ;)
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that the simplify everything camp don't thing we should have?
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become 4 individual ways before coming an area with fine detail of lane
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pedestrian and cycle crossing points, and linking them to foot and
bike
only routes is something of a mess currently?
I can see why this sort of nonsense would put a commercial router off
- it may not affect their current service, but it doesn't exactly
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is how do we get both to co exist? If someone is going to
DICTATE that we will never map some details then I think we have a problem? But
that is where we are stuck at the moment anyway?
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Steve Bennett wrote:
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/1/2 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk
Provided that this does not result in REMOVING ways that are
mapped
Claus Hindsgaul wrote:
2010/1/3 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk
It is however a very good example of where people have taken the
trouble to
ACTUALLY map reality and their efforts have been destroyed! At the
end of the
day everything needs
or more abreast. Complex tags can be added to 'B' to provide the width,
distance for some other way and the like, but that is no substitute for
actually
mapping the information on the ground. So really all that is required a
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actually adding the full detail, there is not a
problem.
I was just concerned when it was being suggested that these REPLACE the lower
level detail! They must not prevent the mapping of the actual fine detail.
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on the ground ESPECIALLY where the cycleway ( or
sidewalk/footpath ) is not physically part of the 'accompanying' road.
NOTHING should dictate that removing physical data is the 'correct' way of
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that in essence what licenses are for?
That is the entire crux of this problem ... CAN we trust commercial
organizations with big bank balances to play fair. I think the answer has to be
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Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
so we don't need imported data?
Only where it is actually adding information. When it is overwriting data that
may well be more accurate - then no we don't ?
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roads do need a 'divider' tag, but only to add 'white line' and other
'micro' data that can't be included by areas or other means. The crosshatch
area
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of the other examples need the same end cases. So
at
what level does a simple 'divided' tag actually work in practice? However
'double white lines' on a single carriage way road IS a divider that needs
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On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk
mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
I think my only problem with 'divided' is At what point do you
apply it? The
samples being shown are quite clearly - on the whole - dual carriageway
. Simply adding yet more tags for something which
is not part of the actual roadway is another 'macro' bodge which in reality
requires at least a separate way ... )
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example
would seem to be best described as a 'roundabout' as it certainly looks like it
is for turning around.
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the areas of all of the parts that make up the roadway?
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Roy Wallace wrote:
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The bottom line is that while adding 'width' tags all the way along a road
may
be a practical half way house, other area features are not handled the same
way
so why should roads be any different
is the route passable by a pushchair or wheelchair?
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cope with serving real users without
also having to handle that.
What database is the wiki running on? My own sites I simply have a backup of
that running and rsync the backup along with the images directory to the backup
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provide mirror sites. The
problem
of cause is that editing needs to be restricted to the main site, but even that
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And how many of their competitors would also be linked to that site via
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on how
this level of micro-mapping is handled anyway ;)
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email based list can't simply add a web based interactive archive as well?
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not come to any consensus on the general points of mapping
and who is in charge so a dictate from above TELLING us to move to a new
list seems somewhat out of place?
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things as a simple 'way based' view.
Of course, nothing is ever final ...
With ever more people adding data, the 'macro' view is straining to
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2009/10/7 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk:
Mike Harris wrote:
Chris
Despite the well-argued views of a minority, I am persuaded by the equally
well-argued views of the (considerable) majority who favour option (b).
That is not to say that there isn't room for using a bit
an element of 'NULL' - that is in addition to setting a
boolean tag, one still needs to decide if it should or should not be
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On Mon, October 5, 2009 15:36, Lester Caine wrote:
snip
( Egil - a little aside, while a check box for boolean would be nice,
there is still an element of 'NULL' - that is in addition to setting a
boolean tag, one still needs to decide if it should or should
that they follow instead
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with 'landuse' but I don't have
time ... need to be on the road by 1 ...
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Konrad Skeri wrote:
Time to end this debate
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/boolean_values
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additions require all of that 'tidying'
to be undone manually to put the correct data back :(
And this seems to be the case here?
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John Smith wrote:
2009/9/28 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk:
And this seems to be the case here?
The problem is the ways are the best place to tag the ABS information,
and the ABS data just happens to follow rivers, islands, railways and
roads and so on which is very useful where people
Roy Wallace wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
Can I check? Are there people here who are suggesting that, in my case,
they want to draw all four ways (yes, I know the footpath hasn't been
mapped yet) as a single way specify the differences
. The point is to make things transparently scalable. At the
'county' level you don't need the shape of the car park, just a tag to
it's presence so you can indicate where they are. Same with any object?
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information, although the layer model would at least keep cars off the
train level ;)
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route and flaging it as a single
element :(
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ones ;)
Anyway
Top down view - single way with lots of tags such as 'bridge'.
Bottom up view - every detail mapped and 'linked' in some way but each
with it's own structural element.
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be appreciated by other drivers?
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Me thinks it is time for a hall of shame on the OSM site, with links
like this and hopefully the correct solution on OSM?
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view of
things - but then the programmers there are in one camp or the other ...
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