Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release

2015-08-15 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/15/2015 1:15 PM, Ruben Maes wrote: 17 117 occurences is not 'not in the database'. No, a key not in https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/openstreetmap-carto.style is not in the database. landcover is not in that list, so is not in the database.

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees

2015-08-15 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/15/2015 8:13 AM, Daniel Koć wrote: I asked about it here: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1724#issuecomment-128702817 but the issue is closed now without too detailed discussion The issue was closed because it was solved - the rendering was unified. The

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release

2015-08-15 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/15/2015 4:45 AM, tony wroblewski wrote: The woodland change looks much better, but would it not be possible to render broadleaved, needleleaved and mixed using different tree images, as seen on other maps? Not at the moment. See

Re: [OSM-talk] Best base to build on ...

2015-08-15 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/15/2015 8:14 AM, Lester Caine wrote: Not getting much help on the GB list so I thought I'd widen the question. A couple of years back I had my own server setup working with a base of OSRM and routing covering the UK. While the map server is still working, routing has packed up and some of

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release

2015-08-15 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/15/2015 4:26 AM, Dave F. wrote: Hi Does the combined wood/forest update include landcover=trees? If not it needs to be included all three should render the same (IMO). No. Nor are there any issues created about rendering landcover=trees. As the landcover key is currently not in the

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release

2015-08-14 Thread Paul Norman
This email is also in user diary form at osm.org/user/pnorman/diary/35589 where issue numbers are linked. OpenStreetMap Carto 2.33.0 has been released. This release focuses on cartographic style improvements, but the release notes also include 2.32.0. The biggest changes are - A randomized

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release

2015-08-14 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/14/2015 7:27 PM, Paul Norman wrote: This email is also in user diary form at osm.org/user/pnorman/diary/35589 where issue numbers are linked. I forgot to mention in the earlier message, please file any bug reports at https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto

Re: [Talk-GB] UK/GB OpenStreetMap survey results

2015-08-07 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/6/2015 2:07 PM, Antje wrote: Forking the map style with stronger British road colours and then getting that forked road style onto the main site once the default style goes “international”. After all, we didn’t call it “open” for nothing! I'd approach this with caution, for two reasons

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-07-29 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/29/2015 6:52 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Possibly tag it access=no and rename it to Track closed depending on how widely the name Ant Track is known. It may be known as Ant Track by a very small group of riders. The name might not be Ant Track, but it's almost certainly not Track

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal requirements of permissions to import into OSM

2015-07-27 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/27/2015 9:00 AM, Tom Lee wrote: 3. if they balk at this, ask for an attribution license, most likely a pre-4.0 version of CC-BY Pre-4.0 CC BY attribute requirements are clearly incompatible with common attribution for multi-source maps, practices of data consumers (including Mapbox), and

Re: [Talk-ca] Open Data Imports

2015-07-23 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/23/2015 8:54 PM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: Does anyone know which of these (and others) are compatible with the OSM license? Very likely most of them are not released under open licenses. Unfortunately, non-open data gets listed in OpenAddresses and there's no assurance that you can combine

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2015-07-22 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/22/2015 11:43 AM, Daniel Begin wrote: So far, I understand we have 2.5 votes for tagging trunk/motorway all roads identified as “core route” in document (a); 0.5 against (I am still torn between the two approaches!-) More comments would be appreciated Such an approach would be

Re: [OSM-talk] Issue-Tracker for http[s]://www.openstreetmap.org

2015-07-16 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/16/2015 11:59 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: There are actually three thing you see onwww.openstreetmap.org: the map data, the map tiles (rendering style), and the website itself. There's a couple more - Nominatim, used for Search and Where am I? - Various routing engines, used for

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook uses OpenStreetMap

2015-07-16 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/16/2015 6:42 PM, Dongpo Deng wrote: Does anyone have ideas why Facebook uses OSM for their checkin service in some Asian countries including Taiwan, Japan, Korea, and China? Probably one of the typical reasons, better data in what they care about, different cost structure, or a different

[Talk-ca] Mapping Commercial Drive event in Vancouver

2015-07-15 Thread Paul Norman
The Vancouver OSM group will be meeting on Saturday at 11 AM on Commercial Drive We'll be mapping locations on Commercial Drive and enjoying the nice summer weather outside. Use your favorite OpenStreetMap tool to do the mapping, be it an app, notebook, GPS, or field papers. People from all

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using a WMS imagery with CC-BY4.0

2015-07-13 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/13/2015 3:09 AM, Simon Poole wrote: It is, as you may have seen from previous discussions, not clear if the CC 4.0 licences are compatible (with the exception of CC0 naturally) with the ODbL and this is likely not an issue that will be resolved short term. To clarify a bit, any CC

Re: [Talk-ca] GeoBase Import

2015-07-08 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/8/2015 2:40 AM, James wrote: Has anyone else had issues with the conversion script from GML to osm? I've been looking at the wiki here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geobase/Import_How-To and when I try to convert the data python gives me the : UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't

Re: [Talk-ca] Low quality unresolvable notes

2015-07-08 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/6/2015 6:42 PM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: Some of these notes are POIs that are visible on Mapillary but I couldn't figure out exactly where they are (for instance, the sign on a strip plaza shows there is a shop but I can't see exactly where it is). You should probably keep these. If you

[Talk-ca] Low quality unresolvable notes

2015-07-06 Thread Paul Norman
I've been catching up on local notes, and have come across a few I'm not sure how to resolve. There are a number which are equivalent to There is a some name of shop somewhere in this block. While probably correct, they're not very useful. The notes aren't bug reports, the original intent of

Re: [OSM-talk] New hardware - new possibilities?

2015-07-05 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/4/2015 8:49 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: Or maybe the donation was meant just to keep us running as we are today with no further development plans? The donation drive is for hardware resources, not for development resources. In fact, development is defined as being outside the scope of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Mappers and apps should focus on relations at the very start

2015-06-27 Thread Paul Norman
On 6/27/2015 1:14 PM, Fernando Trebien wrote: Actually no, the server checks for circular dependencies, and a relation pointing to itself is a cycle. Try it, the server returns a validation error. Nothing in the OSM data model prohibits a relation that references itself, or relations that form

Re: [Talk-ca] OSM data quality in Canada

2015-06-18 Thread Paul Norman
On 6/17/2015 1:12 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: * What is the imports history, particularly in relation to road network, POIs and addresses? (Beyond what’s in the import catalogue page on the wiki, if anything) CanVec, National Hydrographic Network (NHN), and National Road Network (NRN), all

Re: [OSM-talk] getmap in osm mode

2015-06-17 Thread Paul Norman
On 6/17/2015 10:41 AM, Daniel Koć wrote: getmap works with so called public static image APIs, which are provided by Mapquest and Google. AFAIR, OSM does *not* provide such an API - at least at last time I checked. But, I've read that OSM now provides direct routing. If they would also provide

Re: [Talk-us] cycle.travel US bike routing, and unreviewed rural TIGER

2015-06-14 Thread Paul Norman
On 6/14/2015 2:24 PM, Harald Kliems wrote: Well, you've certainly motivated me to from now on always modify the tiger:reviewed tag :-) Thanks again for your efforts! The most important change is probably setting appropriate surface information. I don't know the exact secret sauce magic of

Re: [OSM-talk] Reporting routing problems

2015-05-28 Thread Paul Norman
On 5/28/2015 11:25 AM, Daniel Koć wrote: With MapQuest it was much harder to find how can I report another bug. Finally I have found Residential Map or Route Errors link on Support page ( https://support.mapquest.com/hc/en-us - looks like the link itself is dynamic, because it has issue

Re: [Talk-us] OSM TED Style Talk - Fort Collins Colorado

2015-05-27 Thread Paul Norman
On 5/26/2015 2:00 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: Is anyone else using OSM to advocate for change (or preservation) in their community? Could you share a sentence or two about what you are doing and grant me permission to use it in my talk? In England people are mapping in OpenStreetMap and then

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Suspicion of site using OSM data without proper credits?

2015-05-23 Thread Paul Norman
On 5/23/2015 1:25 PM, Anders Anker-Rasch wrote: Hi, Who do I contact regarding investigations about a site potentially using OSM data without proper credits? Best regards, Anders If you don't want to contact them yourself, you can forward the information to le...@osmfoundation.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging FOR the renderer

2015-05-17 Thread Paul Norman
On 5/17/2015 3:14 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: I have no idea how you'd apply P2P to map style design. It sounds like you; ve heard of a great technology, and want to apply it to every problem without fully understanding the technology and/or the problem. I even used it once on OSM - it was called

Re: [Talk-in] Id editor on Bhuvan

2015-05-16 Thread Paul Norman
On 5/15/2015 10:33 PM, Sajjad Anwar wrote: Couple of things to keep in mind here - 1. We'd need open licensing, or it should say that tracing for OpenStreetMap is permitted. 2. The layers should be in Web Mercator projection. There are quite a few Bhuvan layers that are not. There's two sides

Re: [Talk-in] Id editor on Bhuvan

2015-05-16 Thread Paul Norman
On 5/15/2015 11:39 PM, Devdatta Tengshe wrote: As far as I know, Bhuvan uses Tilecache.py to serve out Imagery in tiles(http://tile1.nrsc.gov.in/tilecache/tilecache.py/1.0.0/bhuvan_imagery2/10/719/456.jpg). The catch is that this imagery is in Geographic Latlong (i.e. EPSG:4326) and not in Web

Re: [talk-au] Use of mapconnect data in OSM [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2015-04-15 Thread Paul Norman
On 4/15/2015 6:01 AM, Ross wrote: Hi Simon, The issue is not with the licence. The current terms and conditions require permission to add data not owned by the contributor. This is incorrect. An appropriate license is sufficient. Some obviously appropriate licenses are CC0, PDDL, ODC-BY and

Re: [OSM-talk] Territorial waters of Gibraltar

2015-04-07 Thread Paul Norman
On 4/7/2015 1:07 PM, Colin Smale wrote: As you will have noticed by now, it's complicated. There is no truth agreed to by both sides, so we may need two boundaries: one according to Spain, and one according to Gib/UK. In between is disputed territory. How do we handle that in other cases? We

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-04 Thread Paul Norman
On 4/3/2015 10:06 PM, Eleanor Tutt wrote: Paul - If perception of mapping in the US isn't aligning with reality, we probably *do* need to do a better job as a chapter board of telling the full story. I see what you mean about the blog posts, though I do think your interpretation is a bit

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Paul Norman
On 4/3/2015 11:19 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Perhaps we, as the U.S. chapter, play a role in creating or sustaining these false assumptions? Yes. To substantiate this, I looked at communications from the US chapter I looked through the current board term and the previous board term. In the

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-02 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/29/2015 5:00 AM, Mark Bradley wrote: Can I export these ways from OSM and then import them into OHM? The main technical problem with moving data from one OSM API to another (e.g. OSM to OHM, OSM to dev server, OSM to OpenGeoFiction) is making sure to get rid of the OSM IDs, as the other

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-03-31 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/31/2015 11:02 AM, stevea wrote: Part of the reason I do this is because other places you might discover these data (subdivision names) are maps published by the rail corporations. But, be careful. For example, I have found that when I go to Union Pacific's web site to get a page that

Re: [Talk-ca] duplicate address data

2015-03-26 Thread Paul Norman
On Mar 26, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Gerd Petermann gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com wrote: Example: The ways http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/99649911 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/83504524 One has source=NRCan-CanVec-7.0, the other source=CanVec 6.0 - NRCan Is there a good reason for this

[OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.29.0

2015-03-20 Thread Paul Norman
Today version v2.29.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet has been released. Changes include - An entirely new natural=tree and tree_row rendering, based on the osm-fr style (#978) - New water features styling (#991) - Better matching of icon colours and text colours (#1354) - Rendering

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-19 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/18/2015 4:20 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: Levittown, New York, for instance is a hamlet with a population of over fifty thousand. This is not a hamlet. Typically a hamlet would have less than 100-200 people. What you've described is a town or a city, this is regardless of if it has

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting on voting system for proposals

2015-03-19 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/18/2015 2:43 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: Since you are involved with updating the rendering, can you tell us the process to decide what should be rendered? I realize that part of it must be stylistic, but what outside influences cause you to include a tag as part of the standard rendered OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting on voting system for proposals

2015-03-18 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/18/2015 2:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'd like to point to the tagging mailing list, where there is currently a discussion going on, whether the current voting system for voting proposals should be changed. Just as a clarification, this is for voting on what it takes to indicate a

Re: [OSM-talk] Geofabrik routing validator.

2015-03-17 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/16/2015 11:33 PM, Andrew Errington wrote: What is the problem? Is it a data problem or a mistake in the error detector? It could be the access=yes tag (which means access is permitted, although it's redundant). Access=yes for what modes? I'd be surprised if it included motor_vehicle,

[Talk-ca] March Vancouver meetup

2015-03-06 Thread Paul Norman
There's going to be a Vancouver meetup near Metrotown on March 17. In the great Saint Patrick's Day tradition, the theme is green locations, but anything is welcome. Bring your own device - laptop recommended. More info and RSVP at

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-03-04 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/4/2015 3:38 PM, stevea wrote: landuse in OSM should be the actual landuse, not the legally permitted / designed landuse (zoning). I do not disagree (meaning I agree), however: if my quarter-hectare property of low density residential zoning has a house, fences, a garage, lawns, a creek

Re: [OSM-talk] New statistics on volume of note creation and closing

2015-03-03 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/3/2015 9:47 AM, Richard Weait wrote: Are notes more-likely to be resolved when a dialogue is possible (non-anonymous)? If the data suggests, for example, that anonymous notes typically take 3 months to resolve, and non-anonymous notes take 36 hours, perhaps that would be sufficient

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-02-28 Thread Paul Norman
On 2/28/2015 4:07 AM, Hans De Kryger wrote: The city of Escondido has this mega residential area. Just wondering why? http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/33.1035/-117.0940 There's a few things going on here One is that there has been an import or tracing from an official landuse plan (e.g.

Re: [Talk-ca] ON prefix on Ontario highways

2015-02-28 Thread Paul Norman
On 2/28/2015 9:45 AM, Richard Weait wrote: Don't use prefixes or adulterate the ref with extra characters. Use the network tag for that information. http://taginfo.osm.org/search?q=network%3Dca_on_county Although the lack of prefixes may be true for Ontario routes, it's worth remembering that

Re: [OSM-talk] Big Lakes

2015-02-18 Thread Paul Norman
The Great Lakes have been discussed a few times on the local lists and the conclusion has been arrived at that they are best represented with natural=coastline. It's important to remember that the direction of coastline ways matters (land on the left), and it is possible to look at a lake or

Re: [OSM-talk] guide to vandalism” in OSM?

2015-02-12 Thread Paul Norman
On 2/12/2015 6:46 AM, Michał Brzozowski wrote: I happen to fix a lot of notes in Poland. For me it would be impractical to check every POI that I add from notes. It's for this reason that notes say This note includes comments from anonymous users which should be independently verified. This

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: Australian Government Department of Communications - Geocoded addressing survey [DLM=For-Official-Use-Only]

2015-02-10 Thread Paul Norman
On 2/10/2015 4:32 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: I've completed their survey from a individual level, however will OSMF be submitting an OSMF response? I'm not 100% across what exact licensing conditions the data would need to be released under to leave open the possibility of incorporating it

Re: [OSM-talk] Domino's rebranding

2015-02-08 Thread Paul Norman
On 2/8/2015 2:33 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: OK, so not sure about other markets, but at least in the US, Domino's Pizza has renamed itself to just Domino's. Which presents a few issues, since they're not just pizza (they also do subs and wings, so I'm not even sure how to cuisine tag these

Re: [Talk-us] Get your early bird ticket to State of the Map US!

2015-02-04 Thread Paul Norman
On 2/4/2015 2:43 PM, Alex Barth wrote: Yup, that cutoff number is going to be somewhere beyond 1,000 - and we are fully planning to sell out the conference :) Any idea what portion will be mappers and what will be companies or other organizations? The feedback I've gotten is that the US

[Talk-br] BR-116 split and cleanup

2015-02-02 Thread Paul Norman
Paulo (osm.org/relation/4551468) and in the south (osm.org/relation/4551469). The tracksource redaction is temporarily paused, but should now be much faster as it doesn't have to work with that mega-relation. Paul Norman For the OSMF Data Working Group

Re: [Talk-us] Santa Clara County (California) address import?

2015-01-30 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/29/2015 9:38 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: First question, is their Creative Commons license [3] compatible with OSM? From previous list traffic from SteveA regarding California government data I believe that even if the CC license is not compatible with OSM the county data will be licensed

Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses interpolation

2015-01-26 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/26/2015 10:05 PM, Dmitry Kiselev wrote: Is it a mistake or examples like this may be interpreted in some usable way? I would say there's no sensible interpretation of an interpolation way with different nodes with different addr:street values.

Re: [OSM-talk] Error when Exporting from Share icon

2015-01-26 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/26/2015 2:58 AM, Dave F. wrote: I don't know when it was last reviewed, but does this error have bit of a sensitive trigger? Has the server that runs the process been upgraded so it can handle a greater number of requests? If so, could the error's cut in point be relaxed? The thresholds

Re: [Talk-in] Indian OSM server

2015-01-26 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/25/2015 10:29 PM, Shekhar Krishnan wrote: Via Topomancy, Sanjay Bhangar and I have a server with ample speed and space to host openstreetmap.in http://openstreetmap.in and related projects for at least one year. We are providing the same service to OpenHistoricalMap. OpenHistoricalMap

Re: [Talk-us] Please review: new proposed bylaws for OSM US, open for comments until Jan 20th

2015-01-20 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/14/2015 10:17 AM, Alex Barth wrote: To all OpenStreetMap US members: Our new proposed bylaws are open for comments until **January 20th 3PM Eastern**. Will these new bylaws be compatible with getting Local Chapter status? ___ Talk-us mailing

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-14 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/13/2015 5:34 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: It looks like most of the place=city/town/village/hamlet POIs from GNIS are tagged with 2000 Census populations in the population tag. These population tags allow renderers to label places with font sizes corresponding to population, which is a pretty

Re: [OSM-talk] Data filter

2015-01-12 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/12/2015 1:30 AM, Steve Chilton wrote: Can anyone help me with filtering OSM data please? For a project I am working on I need data on my contributions to the project. How can I select ‘my contributions in UK’ and output as XML (or JSON?). Need a file that can be imported in to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-07 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/7/2015 7:21 PM, Stephan Knauss wrote: We could start merging 3rd party ODbL into OSM We can do so right now from a legal perspective. In fact, there are imports of ODbL data that have taken place. But then have a hard time to fulfill attribution requirements. No - we'd attribute the same

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM based GPS navigations and ODbl license of OSM data

2015-01-06 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/6/2015 11:01 AM, Karel Charvat wrote: Are the developers of Be-On-Road fullfilling their ODbl license obligations by providing their data only in files with unknown format? It depends. If they are not adding any data, they can simply point to the source (planet.osm.org). If they are

Re: [Talk-us] NAD 27 data to OSM's native WGS 84 data

2014-12-31 Thread Paul Norman
On 12/31/2014 2:14 PM, stevea wrote: OSM uses WGS-84 as its default, and I erred in not realizing these data are in NAD 27, so a conversion does seem to be necessary. Not just by default - OSM is defined as only being in WGS84. When you open them as-is with JOSM (+ Shapefile plug-in), you get

Re: [diversity-talk] The recent unpleasantness

2014-12-02 Thread Paul Norman
On 12/2/2014 3:22 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Your justification for this seems to be behaviour outside of this list and/or, and this is the bit I take particular offense with, The private responses to me have generally expressed that is part of a pattern of behavior, and not an isolated incident.

Re: [diversity-talk] The recent unpleasantness

2014-12-02 Thread Paul Norman
On 12/2/2014 5:04 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: Am I to understand that felt Serge's comments were acceptable behavior? I was expecting to find that you at least didn't condone it. but sadly no where did you say Serge's comments were unacceptable. No where did I say that his comments were acceptable

Re: [OSM-talk] Request for feedback: new building colours in openstreetmap-carto

2014-11-27 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/27/2014 2:11 AM, Lester Caine wrote: Because the 'unclassified' icon is a dot, it is dropped on the building, so the text is now below the building ... on the next one. Shop text has always appeared below the icon - this is not new or unique to the generic icon. It is my customers who

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-24 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/24/2014 5:00 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I wonder why US States are tagged as admin_level=4, wouldn't it be more consistent with the rest of the map to have them tagged as level 3? admin_level=4 is consistent with Canada and Australia at the very least. I believe it's also consistent

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM tiles under CC BY-SA 2.0, Wikimedia requires 2.5 or later

2014-11-20 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/20/2014 1:57 PM, Leeds Tracker wrote: Hello all, I was about to upload a map exported from the main site (SVG using Mapnik style) which I see is licensed under CC BY-SA 2.0 Wikimedia Common's upload page requires 2.5, 3.0 or 4.0 (using

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Working Group news

2014-11-18 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/18/2014 10:11 AM, Luis Villa wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz mailto:m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: I would also like to highlight that we also now welcome associate members who can help us occassionally or want to work on a specific topic

Re: [Talk-ca] RIP CanVec

2014-11-17 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/17/2014 5:50 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: Is there any way to de-tile the data? I realise that most of Canada is one giant water relation, but is there a data processing pipeline that can recognize and join up split entities? I looked at this, but it's better to go back to the original

Re: [OSM-talk] Fix a Forest - experimental tiles from US Forest Service data

2014-11-11 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/11/2014 10:29 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I've created a set of tiles from US Forest Service road data for the 155 US National Forests. It's worth noting that a green area denotes a US National Forest, which does not imply it's got trees, which is necessary for an OSM forest. Thanks

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Fix a Forest - experimental tiles from US Forest Service data

2014-11-11 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/11/2014 10:29 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I've created a set of tiles from US Forest Service road data for the 155 US National Forests. It's worth noting that a green area denotes a US National Forest, which does not imply it's got trees, which is necessary for an OSM forest. Thanks

Re: [Talk-ca] Municipal data source attribution

2014-11-09 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/9/2014 8:48 AM, Steve Singer wrote: What is the current procedure for meeting the attribution requirement of a municipal data-source released under the 'Open Government Licence ? Unfortunately each Open Government License is different, and when I've asked about license compatibility

Re: [OSM-talk] discussion: inclusion and alcohol

2014-11-01 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/1/2014 3:05 PM, Richard Weait wrote: I read this article recently and It got me thinking. Do we devalue community members, or potential community members who don't drink? A quote from the article, When alcohol is currency, non-alcoholic drinks are considered valueless, and the interests

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-10-27 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/27/2014 4:47 PM, Alex Barth wrote: Picking up on Paul's offer to help along the discussion here [1]. Also copying Steve here as he's renewed his call for better addressing in OpenStreetMap - which I entirely agree with [2]. Feedback from this thread is incorporated on the wiki [2] -

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-10-27 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/27/2014 5:19 PM, Alex Barth wrote: According to the interpretation in column 1, the ODbL doesn't imply any specific licensing for geocoding results, they are Produced Works. A geocoding result is not the same as a database of geocoding results. Column 1 says the former is a produced

[OSM-talk] The Working Groups need you!

2014-10-27 Thread Paul Norman
With the recent interest in the OSMF, I'm hoping to capitalize on this and boost working group participation. There's a full list of the working groups at http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Groups, but I'll go over the list, and skills useful for participation. These aren't official,

Re: [OSM-talk] The Working Groups need you!

2014-10-27 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/27/2014 9:32 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 27 Oct 2014 16:16, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com mailto:penor...@mac.com wrote: With the recent interest in the OSMF, I'm hoping to capitalize on this and boost working group participation. Hi Paul, As I'm too lazy to look up

Re: [OSM-talk] Skybox release aerial imagery

2014-10-27 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/27/2014 2:46 PM, Michael Reichert wrote: No. CC-BY requires an attribution at every use of the data. That's why it is not compatible to our ODbL/Contributor Terms. OSM requires only an attribution of OpenStreetMap contributors and nobody else from its data users. We have some government

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board

2014-10-24 Thread Paul Norman
On Oct 23, 2014, at 03:00 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: I think it is reasonable postpone elections for three months considering current turmoil.   Leaving aside any question about the merits of this, I don't believe it is possible. Notice has been given of the AGM, and an

[OSM-talk] Candidate reminder: Membership status and questions to canidates

2014-10-23 Thread Paul Norman
This a reminder to candidates that board members need to be members, not associate members. You should contact members...@osmfoundation.org to change your status from associate member to member if needed. I am not sure what would happen if someone with the most votes was not eligible to be a

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Paul Norman
Alex, the LWG would love to work with you on fixing any confusing if you're interested in resuming work on the guideline - currently it lies abandoned with the feedback needing to be integrated. On Oct 22, 2014, at 05:33 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Steve - would love to work on

Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual Map Demo working again

2014-10-19 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/19/2014 1:40 PM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: What's required to switch this from demo to used on default osm.org layer ? I don't believe anyone is currently evaluating alternatives to the current stack for tile.osm.org. I think most of those who might are busy with vector tiles these days.

[Talk-ca] Inaugural Vancouver Meetup - Tuesday October 28

2014-10-19 Thread Paul Norman
On Tuesday October 28th, there will be an OpenStreetMap meetup held in Vancouver. http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Vancouver/events/214167332/ We'll be holding it in the Bread Garden in Metrotown (http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/257886760), with convenient access to transit and nearby

Re: [diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points

2014-10-16 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/11/2014 3:48 PM, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: Here’s my question, and this needs to be clarified (probably deserves its own thread): Who is responsible for deciding what action needs to be taken in the case of CoC violations? A CoC without a body willing and able to enforce it is just

Re: [diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points

2014-10-09 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/8/2014 8:49 PM, Jo Walsh wrote: Okay, my gloss on this is that the Code of Conduct is a kind of shibboleth and a kind of insurance policy. You need one in order to be seen taking this stuff seriously The argument raised recently was that having a CoC helps diversity, and is not a

Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

2014-10-07 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/7/2014 10:51 AM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: Also, all have editing experience with OSM, whether in the United States or outside. I would not consider someone who has not made a single edit in the last 12 months to have editing experience in the context of a local chapter election. This is

Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

2014-10-05 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/5/2014 6:26 PM, Alan McConchie wrote: All of the candidates have made more than zero edits While true that all candidates have edited OSM at some point in the past, two of them have zero edits in the last year, and one of those has no US edits ever.[1] While a candidate may have other

Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

2014-10-03 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/3/2014 8:28 AM, Richard Weait wrote: Paul, did you take alternate accounts into consideration, or only one uid per candidate? I only used the user that was linked from the candidate list. I considered multiple IDs, but I didn't expect it to make a significant difference for my uses. E.g.

[Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

2014-10-02 Thread Paul Norman
I decided to conduct an rudimentary analysis on the edits of the current OSM US board candidates, similar to something I did last year. When considering the qualifications of someone on the board which sets direction for the local chapter, it is certainly useful to their experience as an OSM

Re: [Talk-us] User going around adding '-' to ref tags in Michigan

2014-09-26 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/26/2014 9:57 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: This is not really appropriate since the main map rendering stylesheet still takes ref tags from ways to paint the route number shields. There is work underway to take that information from route relations

Re: [Talk-us] Merging NYC buildings

2014-09-19 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/19/2014 7:00 AM, Bryan Housel wrote: We really should come up with a good way to make authoritative data harder to edit in the various editors. All that a particular data source can be authoritative for is what that data source says something is. What is authoritative for OSM is the

Re: [Talk-us] Merging NYC buildings

2014-09-19 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/19/2014 6:19 AM, Reilly, Colin wrote: A single building cannot straddle two tax parcels. This seems incorrect. If I build a structure on two tax parcels, it can exist as a single building. It may not be legal, or may require planning tricks that make it two buildings in the eyes of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Wood Park mapnik carto anomaly?

2014-09-18 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/17/2014 7:33 AM, Dave F. wrote: I wouldn't describe size based ordering as 'well defined'. The polygon table has no column or combination of columns which is guaranteed to be unique. We only need to have a well defined ordering within a meta-tile that is consistent across boundaries, not

Re: [OSM-talk] Wood Park mapnik carto anomaly?

2014-09-16 Thread Paul Norman
On Sep 16, 2014, at 06:33 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 16/09/2014 13:41, Matthijs Melissen wrote:         In general, we render smaller landuse on top of larger landuse. I find it surprising something as arbitrary as size is used as the defining factor. Comparing actual tags

Re: [OSM-talk] keys with multiple values

2014-09-15 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/15/2014 9:45 AM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: Supporting multiple values natively in the osm data model would provide a clean and efficient solution, but updating all the tools to support it would be a huge undertaking. It's not going to get supported by most data consumers. This isn't a

Re: [OSM-talk] keys with multiple values

2014-09-15 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/15/2014 10:29 AM, colliar wrote: Of course we could define some escape character like the famous backslash but ... I don't even want to write that stupid idea down. Do not think that is stupid but one solution for a rare situation. If it is properly described on the wiki, there should be

Re: [Talk-us] multiple-value problem in ref tags

2014-09-15 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/15/2014 7:03 PM, Jack Burke wrote: As the wiki doesn't specifically say *don't* put a space after the semicolon, I didn't see a problem with doing it. [1] The standard is to use ; without a space as a delimiter. This is what both iD and JOSM use.

Re: [OSM-talk] keys with multiple values

2014-09-12 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/12/2014 3:24 PM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: To me there's very little semantic value in distinguishing between name_2 and alt_name. Even old_name and loc_name arguably don't bring much to the table (I do see the nuance, but it doesnt seem to be worth the complication). We've got the same

Re: [OSM-talk] That nice popup about the State of the Map

2014-09-08 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/8/2014 11:18 AM, Cristian Consonni wrote: it has been some days that, when I visit openstreetmap.org, I am shown a nice box reminding me that SoTM is coming soon (see screenshot[1]), is there a way to use this system to promote local events (say local State of the Map conferences?). There

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