On 30 March 2010 06:04, Tobias Knerr wrote:
> Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> > Did you read the website? Here's what it says: "Adhere to the Google
> > Maps terms and conditions and don't trace data into Open Street
> > Map..".
>
> The context is important.
>
> Website content:
> > It's been a
2010/3/30 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason :
> I'm not breaking Google's TOS. Just because I give you hammer that
> make me responsible for you bludgeoning someone to death with it.
well, give a kid a gun and you ARE responsible (at least partially)
for what happens. There's to decide whether distributing
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 13:04, Tobias Knerr wrote:
> To the same effect, he could have written "just ignore the naggers with
> their legalities and trace away". It's only insignificantly more subtle
> the way he phrases it.
Could have should have. Let's not forget the context here. Someone has
wr
Hi,
Tobias Knerr wrote:
> So it's in quotation marks and it isn't at all presented as the author's
> personal statement, it's what people sending "hate-mail" want him to
> say. Putting that advice in the mouths of senders of hate-mail certainly
> isn't what you do if you want to honestly want to w
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> Did you read the website? Here's what it says: "Adhere to the Google
> Maps terms and conditions and don't trace data into Open Street
> Map..".
The context is important.
Website content:
> It's been a year since I've done anything with Google WMS, but I still
> g
On 30 March 2010 22:15, Someoneelse wrote:
> Well - there may be some jurisdiction out there dumb enough to make a
> violation of some Ts & Cs an infringement of some law or other.
> Unlikely, but possible, and dafter laws do get passed from time to time,
> so "definitely not" is probably overstat
On 30 March 2010 22:10, andrzej zaborowski wrote:
> people do. And if they send that guy a C&D he'll be responsible of
> ceasing to distribute the tiles as well as repair damage caused (or at
He's not distributing a program that breaks their TOS since he's not
directly doing anything, as others
On 30 March 2010 22:16, John Smith wrote:
> People shouldn't be uploading data from sources it's not allowed to,
They shouldn't upload data they don't have permission to upload...
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Ian Dees wrote:
> We need to be careful about our words. Tracing data into OSM from any
> source could be a violation of the terms of use of the service, but it
> is definitely not illegal.
Well - there may be some jurisdiction out there dumb enough to make a
violation of some Ts & Cs an inf
On 30 March 2010 14:10, andrzej zaborowski wrote:
> On 30 March 2010 13:27, John Smith wrote:
>> That doesn't make something illegal and google are free to send him a
>> C&D if they feel up to it, but that's civil contract law.
>
> Ok, so it's not automatically a crime but it's still fair to say
On 30 March 2010 21:53, simone gadenz wrote:
> I dropped the message to the list because for me was obvious the service was
> violating the term of Google's license but i was not sure it was illegal. In
> any case I was worried of the implication for the OSM. Can this service be a
> problem for
On 30 March 2010 13:27, John Smith wrote:
> That doesn't make something illegal and google are free to send him a
> C&D if they feel up to it, but that's civil contract law.
Ok, so it's not automatically a crime but it's still fair to say it
isn't legal if you take obeying the TOS as a requiremen
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:53, simone gadenz wrote:
> I dropped the message to the list because for me was obvious the service was
> violating the term of Google's license but i was not sure it was illegal. In
> any case I was worried of the implication for the OSM. Can this service be a
> prob
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:38, Gregory wrote:
> I think the comment he has put about hate mail is really bad though, it
> makes OSM out to be a bad project/community even though it created JOSM.
> Would it really hurt him to put a notice about copyright to say check out
> the Google license if you
I dropped the message to the list because for me was obvious the service was
violating the term of Google's license but i was not sure it was illegal. In
any case I was worried of the implication for the OSM. Can this service be a
problem for the OSM community and in case Is OSM able to cope wit
On Mar 30, 2010, at 6:08 AM, andrzej zaborowski
wrote:
> On 30 March 2010 10:53, Gregory wrote:
>> He could keep the page and program up there but
>> should put warnings
>
> I don't think it's even legal for him to have this service? Doesn't
> google TOS prohibit both storing the tiles and rep
On 30 March 2010 21:08, andrzej zaborowski wrote:
> I don't think it's even legal for him to have this service? Doesn't
As someone else pointed out, there is nothing illegal about the code,
it might be against their terms and services to use it but that's
contract law, not criminal law.
> google
On 30 March 2010 10:53, Gregory wrote:
> He could keep the page and program up there but
> should put warnings
I don't think it's even legal for him to have this service? Doesn't
google TOS prohibit both storing the tiles and republishing outside
google's own api?
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On 30 March 2010 02:36, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
>
> Is it legal to?
>
> * Use it in JOSM: Yes
> * Edit data based on it: Yes
> * Upload it to the OSM servers: No
>
> JOSM has the capability to use any server you want (or none at all),
> not all servers are run at *.openstreetmap.org.
>
El 30/03/2010 11:36, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason escribió:
> I'm sure the FSF doesn't send people who write non-free programs with
> Emacs hate mail :)
You should attend a lecture by Richard Stallman :-P
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 08:28, simone gadenz wrote:
> I have just come across this WMS service providing google maps background for
> OSM editing. Is it legal?
>
> http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/
Is it legal to?
* Use it in JOSM: Yes
* Edit data based on it: Yes
* Upload it to the OSM s
simone gadenz wrote:
> I have just come across this WMS service providing google maps
> background for OSM editing. Is it legal?
>
> http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/
No. You must not use Google as a source for OSM. This would be a breach
of Google's terms of use, it would taint OSM's data an
Definitely not. See the last note on the page:
It's been a year since I've done anything with Google WMS, but I still get
so much hate-mail about this service.. Here's what they want me to say..
"Adhere to the Google Maps terms and conditions and don't trace data into
Open Street Map.."
Yet in his
El 30/03/2010 10:28, simone gadenz escribió:
> I have just come across this WMS service providing google maps
> background for OSM editing. Is it legal?
>
> http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/
Scroll down and you'll find this piece of text:
"
It's been a year since I've done anything with Google
I have just come across this WMS service providing google maps background for
OSM editing. Is it legal?
http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/
Cheers
S
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Hi,
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> perhaps the welcome screen of JOSM could point out which WMSs can be used.
> Yes, I know newbies should read the docs, but goog is all pervasive and it's
> the first thing they turn to when it comes to maps.
Which WMSes would that be, and who would be the person t
On Thursday 25 Dec 2008 4:17:47 pm Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Especially as this would be another move to try and take responsibility
> away from the user: "Hey, the OSM server didn't complain when I hit
> upload, so it must have been ok!" - I am very muc hin favour of grown-up
> users and a system tha
Hi,
Simon Ward wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 01:22:22AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>> A possible consideration for a future API is to move the check there:
>>> JOSM uploads, and indicates what data sources were used in the editing
>>> session. Server checks, sees GoogleWMS, replies “I’m sorr
On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 01:22:22AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> > A possible consideration for a future API is to move the check there:
> > JOSM uploads, and indicates what data sources were used in the editing
> > session. Server checks, sees GoogleWMS, replies “I’m sorry Dave, I’m
> > afraid I
Hi,
Pieren wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Thomas Wood
> wrote:
>> Frederik does make a good point that it could be used for good.
>
> I'm probably stupid but what is the aim of having google maps layers
> in JOSM - one editor for OSM data - excepted for copy ?
You're not stupid --
Hi,
Simon Ward wrote:
> A possible consideration for a future API is to move the check there:
> JOSM uploads, and indicates what data sources were used in the editing
> session. Server checks, sees GoogleWMS, replies “I’m sorry Dave, I’m
> afraid I can’t do that.”
And slap some control freak cry
2008/12/24 Pieren :
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Thomas Wood
> wrote:
>> Frederik does make a good point that it could be used for good.
>
> I'm probably stupid but what is the aim of having google maps layers
> in JOSM - one editor for OSM data - excepted for copy ?
> I still see why peop
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Pieren wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Thomas Wood
> wrote:
>> Frederik does make a good point that it could be used for good.
>
> I'm probably stupid but what is the aim of having google maps layers
> in JOSM - one editor for OSM data - excepted for c
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> have you put google-earth traced data in OSM?
>
No.
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On Wednesday 24 Dec 2008 7:44:14 pm Gustav Foseid wrote:
> In addition, I have had a hard time finding anything in Google Earth terms
> that limits tracing, as opposed to Google Maps where this is stated very
> clearly.
have you put google-earth traced data in OSM?
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On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 03:14:14PM +0100, Gustav Foseid wrote:
> In addition, I have had a hard time finding anything in Google Earth terms
> that limits tracing, as opposed to Google Maps where this is stated very
> clearly.
Just searching for “google earth terms of service” gives (among other
hi
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 03:14:14PM +0100, Gustav Foseid wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Simon Ward wrote:
>
> > Hard validation wasn't the point. The point was to make the user think
> > twice, just as with Richard's comment on using GPSBabel to convert KML
> > to GPX, then having to m
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Simon Ward wrote:
> Hard validation wasn't the point. The point was to make the user think
> twice, just as with Richard's comment on using GPSBabel to convert KML
> to GPX, then having to munge it to add timestamps. You can bypass such
> a check in the editor j
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 02:34:13PM +0100, Pieren wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Simon Ward wrote:
> > A possible consideration for a future API is to move the check there:
> > JOSM uploads, and indicates what data sources were used in the editing
> > session. Server checks, sees Google
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Simon Ward wrote:
> A possible consideration for a future API is to move the check there:
> JOSM uploads, and indicates what data sources were used in the editing
> session. Server checks, sees GoogleWMS, replies "I'm sorry Dave, I'm
> afraid I can't do that."
>
>
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 12:09:40PM +, Thomas Wood wrote:
> I brought this up in IRC a few weeks back, and I know its been brought
> up before that.
> It's also appeared on the mls before, Richard's response pretty much
> sums it up..
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2008-September
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:07:06AM +, Tim Waters (chippy) wrote:
> Well even so, it would probably be against the terms of use etc from
> Google, and they can ask for it to be taken down, so whilst it may be
> useful, it cannot be used...
It’s up to Google to do that, we can’t speak for them.
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Thomas Wood wrote:
> Frederik does make a good point that it could be used for good.
I'm probably stupid but what is the aim of having google maps layers
in JOSM - one editor for OSM data - excepted for copy ?
I still see why people create online mashups where we
On Wednesday 24 Dec 2008 3:21:36 pm Nick Black wrote:
> Thanks for bringing this up. I will pass this onto the Foundation team and
> get in touch with the person running the site.
>
> Have you tried to contact the site owner in the past?
I havent - but I think the foundation should communicate wi
I brought this up in IRC a few weeks back, and I know its been brought
up before that.
It's also appeared on the mls before, Richard's response pretty much
sums it up..
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2008-September/011891.html
I'll also note that it was originally announced on the JO
2008/12/24 Andrew Chadwick (email lists) :
> Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>> apologies if this has been brought up before, but some people I have brought
>> into OSM have stumbled across this site:
>> http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/
>> and were all set to pollute the OSM database when I stopped th
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Andrew Chadwick (email lists)
wrote:
> Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>> apologies if this has been brought up before, but some people I have brought
>> into OSM have stumbled across this site:
>> http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/
>> and were all set to pollute the OS
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> apologies if this has been brought up before, but some people I have brought
> into OSM have stumbled across this site:
> http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/
> and were all set to pollute the OSM database when I stopped them. Can we not
> convince this gentleman to cea
Hi Kenneth,
Thanks for bringing this up. I will pass this onto the Foundation team and
get in touch with the person running the site.
Have you tried to contact the site owner in the past?
Best,
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> hi,
> apologies if this has been brough
hi,
apologies if this has been brought up before, but some people I have brought
into OSM have stumbled across this site:
http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/
and were all set to pollute the OSM database when I stopped them. Can we not
convince this gentleman to cease and desist?
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Kenn
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