On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:14:15 +0100, Martin Fossdal Guttesen wrote:
The best way to get rid of bot changes is to ensure that as fews as
possible errors get into osm
Currently even if my area is error free I see errors from across the
globe :(
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On 10 Apr 2010, at 03:33, Martin Fossdal Guttesen wrote:
Sorry i dont know Flash or ActionScript
and after thinking about it. it would be better to handle it on the server
and i dont know rails ruby or what it is called
but i have looked at the source and i think i have found the spot
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:57:37 +, Valent Turkovic wrote:
It would be ideal if it would use small areas of only few square km
around each edit, idea beeing so that xybot edits don't show in history
tab when looking at some area that wasn't edited.
Example of area size that xybot uses:
Isn't there some option to osmosis that bot operators could easily use
to convert their huge .osc files into something that's split by either
10km^2 or 1000 changes, whatever comes first?
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Hi,
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
Isn't there some option to osmosis that bot operators could easily use
to convert their huge .osc files into something that's split by either
10km^2 or 1000 changes, whatever comes first?
Neither option exists, and the first one you mention is not even
To: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size
Hi,
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
Isn't there some option to osmosis that bot operators could easily use
to convert their huge .osc files into something that's split by either
To: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size
Hi,
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
Isn't there some option to osmosis that bot operators could easily use
to convert their huge .osc files into something that's split by either
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From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:54 PM
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size
Martin Fossdal Guttesen wrote:
it should be a nobrainer to automaticly remove surrounding
whitespace in potlatch when a user enters one
Ban botsone!!!
I don't really like how they run on the whole world, and not even on a
country level. Why are they just editing one node here and there, it could
make more programmic sense to download an appropriate-sized area, work
through it (doing what ever checks these bots deem
Valent Turkovic schrieb:
But still ideal situation is that bots also use much smaller areas
for edits so that you see if some bot has changed something in your
area of interest, right?
most bots (and also xybot) do not have any clue about the spatial
aspects of a way or relation.
normally a
On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:45:44 +0200, Frank Sautter
openstreet...@sautter.com wrote:
Valent Turkovic schrieb:
But still ideal situation is that bots also use much smaller areas
for edits so that you see if some bot has changed something in your
area of interest, right?
most bots (and also
Gregory schrieb:
Ban botsone!!!
one of the keys on your keyboard seems to be stuck ;-)
I don't really like how they run on the whole world, and not even on
a country level. Why are they just editing one node here and there,
it could make more programmic sense to download an
Maarten Deen schrieb:
Do correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the nodes have lat/lon with
them and is the location therefore known?
just have a look: http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/way/101/
frank
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 13:24:50 +0200, Frank Sautter
openstreet...@sautter.com wrote:
Maarten Deen schrieb:
Do correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the nodes have lat/lon with them
and
is the location therefore known?
just have a look: http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/way/101/
Oh, right. They
Hi,
On 8 April 2010 12:45, Frank Sautter openstreet...@sautter.com wrote:
normally a osm-xml file is piped through a bot (e.g. perl script). if it
stumbles upon something fishy (e.g. a multiple consecutive nodes in a
way) it will correct this problem on this entity. it does not know where
in
Maarten Deen schrieb:
Oh, right. They are in the osm file but not in the element that is being
processed at that time. It would make it a tad more complicated to get that
data at that point.
yep...
But what would be against starting with a osm file with a smaller bbox as
input?
sources for
Hi,
I'm not sure if this list is appropriate for this discussion and please
point me in the right direction if it is not.
Is it possible to change xybot bot script not to use so large areas for
edits?
It would be ideal if it would use small areas of only few square km
around each edit, idea
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:45:58 +, Valent Turkovic wrote:
It would be ideal if it would use small areas of only few square km
around each edit, idea beeing so that xybot edits don't show in history
tab when looking at some area that wasn't edited.
Example of area size that xybot uses:
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Valent Turkovic
valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:45:58 +, Valent Turkovic wrote:
It would be ideal if it would use small areas of only few square km
around each edit, idea beeing so that xybot edits don't show in history
tab when
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com schrieb:
It would be ideal if it would use small areas of only few square km
around each edit, idea beeing so that xybot edits don't show in history
tab when looking at some area that wasn't edited.
xybot and its siblings have implemented a bot=yes tag in each
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:41:22 +0200, Frank Sautter wrote:
maybe this service could also be implemented on the openstreetmap.org
website, as the ito osmmapper is frequently offline (as it is at the
moment)
I agree we shouldn't depend on 3rd party service for such important
feature like
On 7 April 2010 21:50, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:41:22 +0200, Frank Sautter wrote:
maybe this service could also be implemented on the openstreetmap.org
website, as the ito osmmapper is frequently offline (as it is at the
moment)
I agree we
Regarding The Bot. An excellent tool to to correct spelling errors (brigde
to bridge), but it must stay clear of tagging blunders.
A Bot can have no idea whether Landuse=Wood should be Landuse=Forest or
Natural=Wood, and therefore should stay clear, but could add something like
a note so local
Hi,
Jason Cunningham wrote:
Regarding Wood Forest. [...] I've tried to track back and find how these
two unique and
confusing definitions for Woodland came about, and it seems to lead to the
talk-de list (I cant be sure though).
No you can't. The discussion is quite old and was not
f...@rfc822.org [mailto:f...@rfc822.org] wrote:
Sent: 11 April 2009 7:00 AM
To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Cc: 'OSM Talk'
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] xybot
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:24:51PM +0100, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
wrote:
That would be tagging for the renderer, which
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:24:51PM +0100, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
wrote:
That would be tagging for the renderer, which is not the OSM way. The OSM
way is to tag what the object logically is as you see it.
Based on common understanding of the meaning of the tags.
Its a matter of
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 02:10:03AM +0100, Someoneelse wrote:
One example is way 32539831 which was changed from landuse=wood to
landuse=forest. How does it know that landuse=forest is correct as
opposed to natural=wood? Both are on map features.
This has been discussed hundrets of times on
Hi,
Florian Lohoff wrote:
This has been discussed hundrets of times on the talk-de list IIRC.
But we do agree that if someone wants to make automated changes outside
the area inhabited by talk-de regulars, he should discuss this on the
appropriate lists first, right?
Bye
Frederik
hallo someoneelse,
i'm the one behind xybot.
Someoneelse schrieb:
I see that xybot has woken up again. Would an announcement on this list
really have been too much to ask?
xybot is running constantly every week. it has not been woken up again.
I'm guessing that the rules that it's
Florian Lohoff wrote:
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:22:33AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] xybot
Hi,
Florian Lohoff wrote:
This has been discussed hundrets of times on the talk-de list IIRC.
But we do agree that if someone wants to make automated changes outside
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:31:46AM +0100, Lester Caine wrote:
It is correct to discuss.
There SHOULD be a landuse tag for every area as far as I am concerned,
and since landuse=forest is for managed wooded areas, it is incorrect to
use that for unmanaged areas. So perhaps we just need to
Florian Lohoff wrote:
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:31:46AM +0100, Lester Caine wrote:
It is correct to discuss.
There SHOULD be a landuse tag for every area as far as I am concerned,
and since landuse=forest is for managed wooded areas, it is incorrect to
use that for unmanaged areas. So
From: Frank Sautter openstreet...@sautter.com
hallo someoneelse,
i'm the one behind xybot.
Thanks - hi.
(re landuse/natural=wood/forest):
you are right, i will take out those rules where xybot is just guessing
the optimal values and ask the maintainers of
Florian Lohoff wrote:
Sent: 10 April 2009 11:19 AM
To: Frederik Ramm
Cc: OSM Talk
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] xybot
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:22:33AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] xybot
Hi,
Florian Lohoff wrote:
This has been discussed hundrets of times on the talk-de
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From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-
boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Frank Sautter
Sent: 10 April 2009 11:30 AM
To: OSM Talk
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] xybot
hallo someoneelse,
i'm the one behind xybot.
Someoneelse schrieb:
I see that xybot has woken up
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 03:37:07PM +0100, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
wrote:
Sure - i just wanted to make the point that landuse=wood is a valid
point for dissussion as its either landuse=forest or natural=wood -
but landuse=wood is a illegal combination of key and value which the
Florian Lohoff flo at rfc822.org writes:
And in the above case there are a bunch of people who disagree with
using landuse=wood. And it doesnt even fit the keys definition by
which landuse means PEOPLEs use - Wood is not peoples use by definition
of the value. So landuse cant be used with
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:59 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Someoneelse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk
wrote:
I see that xybot has woken up again. Would an announcement on this list
really have been too much to ask?
This might be a pretty drastic
f...@rfc822.org [mailto:f...@rfc822.org] wrote:
Sent: 10 April 2009 6:00 PM
To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Cc: 'Frederik Ramm'; 'OSM Talk'
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] xybot
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 03:37:07PM +0100, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
wrote:
Sure - i just wanted to make the point
I see that xybot has woken up again. Would an announcement on this list
really have been too much to ask?
I'm guessing that the rules that it's following are these:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User_FixTypo3Euro:Xybot
If so there are a number of potential problems, especially where
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Someoneelse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote:
I see that xybot has woken up again. Would an announcement on this list
really have been too much to ask?
This might be a pretty drastic question to ask, but perhaps it's time to
start coming up with a community
hi everyone,
a couple of weeks ago xybot appears to have added the fairly pointless
tag addr:country=DK to all the address point information that was
imported in denmark. the information about the import is here
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/KMS but i can't find any
information about the
Matt Amos wrote:
hi everyone,
a couple of weeks ago xybot appears to have added the fairly pointless
tag addr:country=DK to all the address point information that was
imported in denmark. the information about the import is here
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/KMS but i can't find any
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 08:28:45PM +0200, Florian Lohoff wrote:
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 04:36:30PM +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote:
They certainly lend themselves to it. That's not to say it's a good idea.
The vast majority of these things could be done instead with a much
less intrusive auto
Hi All,
I see that someone is running a bot across the entire planet, and I
don't see any discussion of it on the mailing lists. The bot is called
xybot and the user is apparently xylome
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/xylome - I believe this is the same
person who Frederik was referring to on
/index.php/Automated_Edits
Cheers
Andy
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Sent: 24 October 2008 12:02 PM
To: Openstreetmap
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Xybot
hello andy,
Andy Allan schrieb:
I see that someone is running a bot
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Frank Sautter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hello andy,
Andy Allan schrieb:
I see that someone is running a bot across the entire planet,
europe
I'm asking now for this person to publicly justify to all the
contributors to OpenStreetMap why he or she knows
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:10 PM, David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's the nature of OSM, anyone can edit anything without asking for
permission. There's no black and white here. I agree that it would have
been best to have had some form of discussion about this script, but there's
Take grade for instance, all occurances of which have now been
changed to tracktype. Which is a hell of an assumption about the
use of the grade tag, and what people potentially might want to
mark with that in the future. This isn't just typo fixing, this is
going way beyond that.
grade has
Andy wrote:
And even with typos, there's been a number of discussions as to
why
automatically converting e.g. hgihway isn't necessarily a good
idea -
almost all of those that I've found there's another way
correctly
tagged close beside it. So fixing the typo in these cases is
actually
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Ed Loach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andy wrote:
And even with typos, there's been a number of discussions as to
why
automatically converting e.g. hgihway isn't necessarily a good
idea -
almost all of those that I've found there's another way
correctly
tagged
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 04:36:30PM +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote:
They certainly lend themselves to it. That's not to say it's a good idea.
The vast majority of these things could be done instead with a much
less intrusive auto bug-notification-system. ie: a big list somewhere
telling you of all
Take grade for instance, all occurances of which have now been
changed to tracktype. Which is a hell of an assumption about the
use of the grade tag, and what people potentially might want to
mark with that in the future. This isn't just typo fixing, this is
going way beyond that.
hello peter,
Peter Miller schrieb:
The only link from this page is one back to the xybot user page and there is
no link to the bot's page itself (is there one?) to provide information
about what the bot is doing and why and what one should do if one disagrees
with the edits.
thanks for your
Peter Miller wrote:
Btw, I have had xybot turning natural=wood into landuse=forest.
Where I come from a wood and forest are not the same thing at all.
Indeed not. I'd say a natural=wood refers to where trees have
self-seeded and spread naturally, while landuse=forest is a man-made,
artificially
Peter Miller schrieb:
The only link from this page is one back to the xybot user page and
there is
no link to the bot's page itself (is there one?) to provide information
about what the bot is doing and why and what one should do if one
disagrees
with the edits.
thanks for your
Frank Sautter wrote:
can you please provide some information about that (way id). as far as
i can say this should not happen. xybot changed natural=forest to
landuse=forest and yes, wood and forest are not the same.
No, they aren't. And neither are natural and landuse -- natural
describes what
-Original Message-
From: Peter Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 October 2008 22:38
To: 'Frank Sautter'; 'talk@openstreetmap.org'
Subject: RE: [OSM-talk] Xybot
Peter Miller schrieb:
The only link from this page is one back to the xybot user page
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