On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote:
> >>> Yep, cool, it says it's run by an "incorporated association".
> >>
> >> That usually means not-for-profit organisation...
> >
> > Um, exactly.
>
> Just pointing out another potential diff between existing amenity tags
> (like pub, resteraunt etc) and clu
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:04 PM, John Henderson wrote:
> > www.irishclub.com.au
>
> Yep, cool, it says it's run by an "incorporated association".
>
> (10,000 members of the canberra irish club...whee!)
>
> Steve
Mount Isa Irish Club has fond memories for
John Smith wrote:
> I don't particularly mind which term we use, one that is the most
> common in a region/commonly known would make the most sense.
>
> I've heard both the term registered and licensed clubs... *shrug*
>
> Anyone have a preference for a particular reason?
In my experience "lice
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett :
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:25 PM, John Smith wrote:
>> 2009/12/15 Steve Bennett :
>>> Yep, cool, it says it's run by an "incorporated association".
>>
>> That usually means not-for-profit organisation...
>
> Um, exactly.
Just pointing out another potential diff between
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:25 PM, John Smith wrote:
> 2009/12/15 Steve Bennett :
>> Yep, cool, it says it's run by an "incorporated association".
>
> That usually means not-for-profit organisation...
Um, exactly.
Steve
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2009/12/15 Steve Bennett :
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:11 PM, John Smith wrote:
>> 2009/12/15 Steve Bennett :
>>> I meant, if the "error" is not actually an error (ie, a false
>>> positive), can you flag it like you can in KeepRight?
>>
>> You can tell the plugin to ignore anything from a single i
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett :
> Yep, cool, it says it's run by an "incorporated association".
That usually means not-for-profit organisation...
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2009/12/15 Steve Bennett :
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM, John Smith wrote:
>> Or particular ethnic background etc etc etc.
>
> Example?
American Club
http://www.bestclubs.com.au/club.aspx?clubId=442
Italian Club
http://www.bestclubs.com.au/club.aspx?clubId=618
Mandarin Club
http://www.best
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:11 PM, John Smith wrote:
> > 2009/12/15 Steve Bennett :
> >> I meant, if the "error" is not actually an error (ie, a false
> >> positive), can you flag it like you can in KeepRight?
> >
> > You can tell the plugin
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:04 PM, John Henderson wrote:
> www.irishclub.com.au
Yep, cool, it says it's run by an "incorporated association".
(10,000 members of the canberra irish club...whee!)
Steve
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:11 PM, John Smith wrote:
> 2009/12/15 Steve Bennett :
>> I meant, if the "error" is not actually an error (ie, a false
>> positive), can you flag it like you can in KeepRight?
>
> You can tell the plugin to ignore anything from a single issue to
> whole groups of issues,
Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM, John Smith wrote:
>> Or particular ethnic background etc etc etc.
>
> Example?
www.hellenicclub.com.au
www.irishclub.com.au
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM, John Smith wrote:
> Or particular ethnic background etc etc etc.
Example?
Steve
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2009/12/15 Steve Bennett :
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:17 PM, John Smith wrote:
>> These buildings are a particular type of location, they are unique in
>> a category of there own, even if they do share features with other
>> establishments that are currently tagged.
>
> Not that I'm disagreeing,
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:17 PM, John Smith wrote:
> These buildings are a particular type of location, they are unique in
> a category of there own, even if they do share features with other
> establishments that are currently tagged.
Not that I'm disagreeing, but for an argument like that to be
2009/12/15 Roy Wallace :
> Well, "complexity" is subjective here, so sorry if it seems I'm
> exaggerating in this situation. But the point I'm making is that,
> rather than inventing a new tag to encapsulate, e.g. "buildings that
> are...a restaurant, bar, and gambling location [and] are members
T
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett :
> I like it too. I wouldn't worry about trying to match the legal term
> used by a particular jurisdiction.
I don't particularly mind which term we use, one that is the most
common in a region/commonly known would make the most sense.
I've heard both the term registered
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett :
> I meant, if the "error" is not actually an error (ie, a false
> positive), can you flag it like you can in KeepRight?
You can tell the plugin to ignore anything from a single issue to
whole groups of issues, like unnamed roundabouts are an issue in the
EU, but more oft
2009/12/15 Liz :
> we agree that the locations are not 100%
Which is why we're fixing the locations and then send a nice email to
BP saying we found the service stations you lost :)
> but really useful things include the lists of fuels sold
Assuming their accurate :)
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Liz wrote:
> I favour licenced_club because of the word association with "liquor licence"
> and I am looking for another tag to replace amenity=pub that I have been using
> and isn't the best descriptor
I like it too. I wouldn't worry about trying to match the le
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Steve Bennett wrote:
> > > Well now it's morning, I'm sure the correct term is licensed club eg
> > > http://www.clubssa.com.au/
> > > so amenity=licensed_club seems like a good idea to me
> > > then add in the pokies, restaurants, e
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Dieter wrote:
> On 09/12/2009, Steve Bennet wrote:
>> Does the validator plugin let you flag "mistakes" as "ok", so that other
>> people don't stumble upon them?
>
> You don't need to, as the checks are performed on live data.
> In the keep right! case, the fixed m
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Steve Bennett wrote:
> > Well now it's morning, I'm sure the correct term is licensed club eg
> > http://www.clubssa.com.au/
> > so amenity=licensed_club seems like a good idea to me
> > then add in the pokies, restaurants, etc in sub tags
>
> I support this. Does it include RS
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
> Well now it's morning, I'm sure the correct term is licensed club eg
> http://www.clubssa.com.au/
> so amenity=licensed_club seems like a good idea to me
> then add in the pokies, restaurants, etc in sub tags
I support this. Does it include
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Roy Wallace wrote:
>> Because otherwise, the logic "if A and B and C then member_club" needs
>> to be encoded in each and every renderer.
>
> Ah, I understand your thinking now.
>
>> Now, I don't mind if you
>> want to tag the thing "A, B, C, member_club".
>
> Yes,
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:08 AM, John Smith wrote:
> 2009/12/15 Roy Wallace :
>> Thought I might chip in to me this seems to be a matter of trying
>> to cram a complex and ambiguous meaning into a single tag. I couldn't
>> help but be reminded of the footway/cycleway situation. Is it not
>> po
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, dar...@tpg.com.au wrote:
> Hi All,
> Earlier this year I checked the locations of the BP Service Stations around
> Coffs Harbour and found the list hopelessly inaccurate. One station that is
> located south of town was listed as located north of town, about six
> kilometers nor
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Roy Wallace wrote:
>> For example, take a close look at the proposed definition of
>> "member_club" - is it in the form of "if A and B and C, it's a
>> member_club"? If so, isn't it a better solution to *tag*
Hi All,
Earlier this year I checked the locations of the BP Service Stations around
Coffs Harbour and found the list
hopelessly inaccurate. One station that is located south of town was listed as
located north of town,
about six kilometers north of where it actually is. There was only one stat
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote:
> 2009/12/15 John Smith :
> > Here's a current list of nodes with 'fixme' tags:
> >
> > http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPfixmes.osm.bz2
> >
> > Also some people have editted locations without removing the fixme
> > tags...
>
> I just noticed since that con
I am happy with any camp, but ideally I would prefer PD or similar. Don't
think it's going to happen though...
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:23 PM, John Smith wrote:
> There is a number of problems all rolled up into one.
>
> 1) People that want the status quo
> 2) People that agree with the intent
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, you wrote:
> Similar organisations exist in many countries, you might as well have
> a specific tag for them, like "servicemens_club" or something. The
> definition could be "A venue providing cheap food and bingo nights in
> the company of old people."
>
Well now it's mornin
2009/12/15 Roy Wallace :
> Thought I might chip in to me this seems to be a matter of trying
> to cram a complex and ambiguous meaning into a single tag. I couldn't
> help but be reminded of the footway/cycleway situation. Is it not
> possible to *tag* what we are trying to indicate (using more
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett :
> (Oh wait, Roy believes that we shouldn't ever think about renderers,
> they're totally irrelevant. Just tag what you want to tag.)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Roy Wallace wrote:
> For example, take a close look at the proposed definition of
> "member_club" - is it in the form of "if A and B and C, it's a
> member_club"? If so, isn't it a better solution to *tag* A and B and
> C? There's no need to create complex definiti
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:10 PM, John Smith wrote:
>
>> So... sports_centre for the actual sporting facilities, something_club
>> for the commercial bit? Maybe social_club? "club_rooms", while it
>> sounded good for the buildings members genuinely use for their
>> meetings and stuff, doesn't soun
Here's an example of OSM beating even BP to the punch...
This location doesn't exist in the BP dataset:
http://osm.org/go/uN9xpckXA--
You can make out BP signs with NearMap and according to OSM data, it
was tagged on the 3rd of November...
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/552634810/hist
2009/12/15 John Smith :
> Here's a current list of nodes with 'fixme' tags:
>
> http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPfixmes.osm.bz2
>
> Also some people have editted locations without removing the fixme tags...
>
I just noticed since that contains version numbers etc, you can just
use that file in
Here's a current list of nodes with 'fixme' tags:
http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPfixmes.osm.bz2
Also some people have editted locations without removing the fixme tags...
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2009/12/14 Steve Bennett :
> Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was suggesting using separate tags for the
> two. There's not all that much to be gained by stretching one tag to
> cover two different things. Does an RSL really have much in common
> with the local cricket club? Well, maybe it does - if we're
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:05 PM, John Smith wrote:
> 2009/12/14 Steve Bennett :
>> Similar organisations exist in many countries, you might as well have
>> a specific tag for them, like "servicemens_club" or something. The
>> definition could be "A venue providing cheap food and bingo nights in
>
2009/12/14 Steve Bennett :
> Similar organisations exist in many countries, you might as well have
> a specific tag for them, like "servicemens_club" or something. The
> definition could be "A venue providing cheap food and bingo nights in
> the company of old people."
They aren't just related to
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:58 PM, John Smith wrote:
> As for tag naming
>
> amenity=member_club
>
> Which is also a little vague, but it is a valid description, would
> just need to be documented properly.
>
> Checking on wikipedia there is a similar notion in NZ, at least in
> terms of RSLs,
2009/12/14 Steve Bennett :
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:44 PM, John Smith
> wrote:
>> Dunno about metro areas, but most pubs in rural areas will still rent rooms.
>
> Yep, but we're concerned with the wiki definition of the "pub" tag,
> not what "pub" means in general. And secondly, we're not con
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:44 PM, John Smith wrote:
> Dunno about metro areas, but most pubs in rural areas will still rent rooms.
Yep, but we're concerned with the wiki definition of the "pub" tag,
not what "pub" means in general. And secondly, we're not concerned
with the wiki definition of the
2009/12/14 Liz :
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Steve Bennett wrote:
>> > "Pub" is short for "public house" and is a hotel, a place where anyone
>> > can get a meal, a drink and a room. Bars don't have rooms.
>>
>> That's a historical definition that I doubt many people would
>> appreciate these days.
> bu
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Steve Bennett wrote:
> > "Pub" is short for "public house" and is a hotel, a place where anyone
> > can get a meal, a drink and a room. Bars don't have rooms.
>
> That's a historical definition that I doubt many people would
> appreciate these days.
but i think that it is still
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Sam Couter wrote:
> "Pub" is short for "public house" and is a hotel, a place where anyone
> can get a meal, a drink and a room. Bars don't have rooms.
That's a historical definition that I doubt many people would
appreciate these days.
> In the ACT, a club is th
James Livingston wrote:
> I agree that they're not really the same as a "normal" pub, but I don't know
> how'd you'd really describe the difference other than the "tenuous connection
> to some club and officially members only" thing.
"Pub" is short for "public house" and is a hotel, a place whe
2009/12/14 James Livingston :
> I'm not fussed on the wording, but I think something for clubs would be good.
> You could probably use it for things like scout halls and so on too, if there
> isn't a tag for that already.
Scout halls don't have bars, resteraunts or pokies so I don't think
they f
On 14/12/2009, at 7:10 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:03 PM, James Livingston wrote:
>> I'm sure that there was a tag for the first, although I can't find it now.
>> Something like leisure=club_rooms or similar, which related to a sporting
>> group but wasn't necessarily wh
There is a number of problems all rolled up into one.
1) People that want the status quo
2) People that agree with the intent of CC-BY-SA/ODBL but don't
necessarily agree with ODBL
3) People that agree with ODBL
4) People that want PD or something else
At present I'm in camp #2 and I probably won
2009/12/14 Steve Bennett :
> It would also be nice to have club= for the whole ground including any
> pitches. So a bowling club might have club=yes, sport=bowls,
> name=Fobar Bowls club, on the whole area. Then, leisure=pitch,
> sport=bowls on the bowling green. Then amenity=club_rooms for the
> b
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:03 PM, James Livingston wrote:
> I'm sure that there was a tag for the first, although I can't find it now.
> Something like leisure=club_rooms or similar, which related to a sporting
> group but wasn't necessarily where the sports themselves were played, which
> would
On 14/12/2009, at 6:58 PM, Stephen Hope wrote:
> The reason I thought they may be a QLD thing is the state Government
> here licences them a bit differently from your average pub (or used
> to, I haven't checked lately). Thus the (official) members only
> rules, connection to a sport club, etc.
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Kai Krueger wrote:
> So perhaps
> this is a thing that we can put out for a vote "independent" of the
> decision to move to
2009/12/14 Liz :
> trouble with the combine amenities approach is that we can only have one
> amenity on a node, but amenities are getting so broad, there is often need for
> more than one amenity on a node
Just do what I did for the BP nodes.
amenity:atm=yes
or just atm=yes as was suggested.
s
On 14/12/2009, at 6:41 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> I think my central argument is this: Your "sports_club" venue could be
> - a sports facility with no eating/drinking/gambling facilities for the public
> - an eating/drinking/gambling venue for the public with no sports facilities
> - or both.
>
>
2009/12/14 Stephen Hope :
> The reason I thought they may be a QLD thing is the state Government
> here licences them a bit differently from your average pub (or used
> to, I haven't checked lately). Thus the (official) members only
> rules, connection to a sport club, etc. This connection can be
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote:
> > I'm still trying to see how this is very different from "amenity=pub"
> > with another "amenity=pokies" (or whatever), and "name=Smithtown
> > Crocodiles Sports Club". Would it render differently from a pub?
>
> That's the whole point, they aren't a pub an
The reason I thought they may be a QLD thing is the state Government
here licences them a bit differently from your average pub (or used
to, I haven't checked lately). Thus the (official) members only
rules, connection to a sport club, etc. This connection can be quite
vague - the one nearest my
2009/12/14 Steve Bennett :
> Yeah, agreed that RSL's, SLSC's etc are in the same category. Are they
> really different from a Zagame's type venue, though?
No idea what Zagame's is, so can't comment, you seem to think they are
similar/same thing so we need to figure out a suitable tag for it.
> I
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:20 PM, James Livingston wrote:
> They're definitely not a QLD thing, but I think they are a very Australian
> thing. As well as sports clubs, you have the Surf Life Saving Clubs, RSLs and
> so on. Although a lot only have one bar and restaurant, there are a lot that
>
2009/12/14 James Livingston :
> I asked this a while back (possibly on IRC not on the list) and no-one really
> knew. In some cases, particularly SLSCs, the original purpose would still be
> very useful to have marked, in that case because it tells you where the
> patrolled part of the beach wil
On 14/12/2009, at 12:10 PM, Stephen Hope wrote:
> I'm looking for some guidance on tagging for "Sports Clubs". I'm not
> sure if these are an Australian wide thing, or just a QLD invention.
They're definitely not a QLD thing, but I think they are a very Australian
thing. As well as sports clubs,
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