Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [osmose-backend] Missing Parent Tag for all highways with bicycle = yes (#1)
I think anyone can remove them. Of course, it would be better to also contact whoever added them, so they do not make the same mistake again. Osmose seems to be rather stupid, and decides that if x number of objects has certain tag combinations, all objects that have one of the tags, should also have the others. It does not verify if the tag is appropriate for the object (node, way, relation). But it is still a valuable tool. So feel free to remove the route=bicycle if you have the time regards m On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 12:45 AM, André Pirard Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-03-22 21:32, Marc Gemis wrote : This is the reply I got on my bug report to osmose. Do we have to locate those ways with route=bicycle ? m It makes no sense. route=bicycle is a tag for a relation, not for a way. It's very surprising that Osmose commands to repeat such a tag on ever cycling way !!! How could we identify a cycling route if all the cycling ways contained route=bicycle Either Osmose removes that test. Or the authors remove that tag (I bcc: one of them). Or I can remove 28 of them that I have ready after my selection. Your choice? Cheers, André. -- Forwarded message -- From: frodrigo notificati...@github.com Date: Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [osmose-backend] Missing Parent Tag for all highways with bicycle = yes (#1) To: osm-fr/osmose-backend osmose-back...@noreply.github.com Cc: marcgemis marc.ge...@gmail.com Missing parent tag is a statistical analysis. Osmose suggest to add route=bicycle because this tag value is already a key as bicycle=yes, and more over because there is more than 50 ways with route=bicycle + bicycle=yes in Belgium. Maybe we need to apply this analysis on relative value inside of just 50. — Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHubhttps://github.com/osm-fr/osmose-backend/issues/1#issuecomment-15319079 . ___ Talk-be mailing listTalk-be@openstreetmap.orghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Meeting with SPW (some elements of the discussion may also interest Flemish people)
2013/3/23 Julien Fastré jul...@fastre.info Hi, This is some news following the contact that eMerzh, Benoit Coumont and I had with the SPW (Service Public de Wallonie) on Friday. The meeting was rather positive. They think about applying an ODbL-compatible licence on some data. - at first, they will think about letting us use the new orthophoto (precision 25cm). The year-2012 pictures will be published on the website before summer ; - we agreed on the fact that beginning slowly is better. They will discuss about releasing three kind of data under open-licence: - hydrological data (there isn't a lot of rivers and streams in the db) - path and footways, because we were thinking that osm is quite useful for hikers, we thought it was an added value for everybody ; - and Arbres et haies remarquables because it is easy and quite fun :-) They were speaking having a decision for their master plan which should be adopted in September 2013. But they also added that it will be easy to add opendata items in their master plan if a first experience works before. So, one of those items could be released before. The SPW has also a request for our community (this is were flemish people might be more interested !) They would like to use OSM to track changes in Wallonia. They would like to know where to send their teams, where there is some new roads, or where the roads or elements are modified. The problem is: how to track those changes ? If I add a new road in OSM, is it a road build in the past month, or is it a road build years ago, but which didn't exist in the osm'db ? And if I update a line highway, am I correcting some mistake, or adapting our map to some new reality ? We thought about one solution: a tag since to object which are updated or build in the reality and modified in the db. Example: if a road has a new bike lane, I update the line with JOSM and add the tag since=2013-01-01 on the object. Within SPW, they track the tags since and see where are changes. What do you think ? I think start_date is indeed what you want, then they can use Overpass API regularly to download all the elements with a start date. How was the presentation you gave on Tuesday received? Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [osmose-backend] Missing Parent Tag for all highways with bicycle = yes (#1)
It makes no sense. route=bicycle is a tag for a relation, not for a way. It's very surprising that Osmose commands to repeat such a tag on ever cycling way !!! How could we identify a cycling route if all the cycling ways contained route=bicycle Osmose seems to be rather stupid, and decides that if x number of objects has certain tag combinations, all objects that have one of the tags, should also have the others. It does not verify if the tag is appropriate for the object (node, way, relation). But it is still a valuable tool. It's an automatic analysis based on statistical and an arbitrary trigger at 50 count. I can change the tigger, eg with relative value. Error was triggered with a parent tag like in highway=construction and construction=primary. The analysis have already a tag blacklist. I can add route=bicycle. These tags were used on some ways for some routes: if a route goes over a big square, an additional way is created going across the square. Really need tag on this ways ? Or add the area to route relation, or just no way at all. and I guess osmose wouldn't like untagged ways either Osmose report error on untagged way not part of relation (with role). But I haven't found any ways with both route=bicycle and bicycle=yes though. I found lot of them here : http://overpass-turbo.eu/?Q=way(%7B%7Bbbox%7D%7D)%5B%22route%22%3D%22bicycle%22%5D%5B%22bicycle%22%3D%22yes%22%5D%3B(._%3B%3E%3B)%3Bout%20meta%3B%0AC=50.67634;4.60636;12R There is some choses: - change the data - black list route=bicycle - use relative value on analyser to trigger at higher count. Frédéric Osmose analyser ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Re : Re: Meeting with SPW (some elements of the discussion may also interest Flemish people)
Ben, The process should tend to be the most automatised possible. That's why we should think about this tag 'since' or 'start_date' (which seems to be more appropriate because already used). Reading your answer you seems to have perfectly understood :-) Julien Envoyé depuis mon téléphone Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com a écrit : Julien, Starting slow is good I think and the part about updating is very very interesting! Can't they judge an update based on a comparison between OSM and their own data? Or is this supposed to be an automated process? Can't they also ask users directly why they made a change if there is some doubt about something? (I probably don't understand completely! :-) ) Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com ben.abelshau...@gmail.be http://twitter.com/xivk http://twitter.com/xivk On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Julien Fastré jul...@fastre.info wrote: Hi, This is some news following the contact that eMerzh, Benoit Coumont and I had with the SPW (Service Public de Wallonie) on Friday. The meeting was rather positive. They think about applying an ODbL-compatible licence on some data. - at first, they will think about letting us use the new orthophoto (precision 25cm). The year-2012 pictures will be published on the website before summer ; - we agreed on the fact that beginning slowly is better. They will discuss about releasing three kind of data under open-licence: - hydrological data (there isn't a lot of rivers and streams in the db) - path and footways, because we were thinking that osm is quite useful for hikers, we thought it was an added value for everybody ; - and Arbres et haies remarquables because it is easy and quite fun :-) They were speaking having a decision for their master plan which should be adopted in September 2013. But they also added that it will be easy to add opendata items in their master plan if a first experience works before. So, one of those items could be released before. The SPW has also a request for our community (this is were flemish people might be more interested !) They would like to use OSM to track changes in Wallonia. They would like to know where to send their teams, where there is some new roads, or where the roads or elements are modified. The problem is: how to track those changes ? If I add a new road in OSM, is it a road build in the past month, or is it a road build years ago, but which didn't exist in the osm'db ? And if I update a line highway, am I correcting some mistake, or adapting our map to some new reality ? We thought about one solution: a tag since to object which are updated or build in the reality and modified in the db. Example: if a road has a new bike lane, I update the line with JOSM and add the tag since=2013-01-01 on the object. Within SPW, they track the tags since and see where are changes. What do you think ? Julien Fastré ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] AGIV watuning
Unfortunately they don't work for me. This is the one I learned to live with: wms: http://wms.agiv.be/ogc/wms/omkl?FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=OrthoSTYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox} Jo 2013/3/25 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com Hi, Aren't these two JOSM configurations what you wanted? Do they not work? Aren't you satisfied? wms: http://grb.agiv.be/geodiensten/raadpleegdiensten/geocache/?FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapSTYLES=SRS= {proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}LAYERS=orthoklmx wms: http://grb.agiv.be/geodiensten/raadpleegdiensten/geocache/?FORMAT=image/pngVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapSTYLES=SRS= {proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}TRANSPARENT=YESLAYERS=grb_bsk,grb_gbg,grb_sel,grb_adp Cheers, André. On 2013-03-19 03:17, A.Pirard wrote : On 2013-03-18 19:53, Jo wrote : zoom in on the area of interest on this site: http://ogc.beta.agiv.be/gdiviewer/?simple=true That viewer issues requests like this: http://grb.agiv.be/geodiensten/raadpleegdiensten/geocache/tms/1.0.0/orthoklm@BPL72VL/13/4828/3716.png (for some beta time anyway) The zoom goes up to 15, but the maximum resolution it at 13 (as shown) after which the server stretches the image (scales it). These are nonstandard zoom levels to which JOSM's zoom level should be adjusted. JOSM configuration should be tms: http://grb.agiv.be/geodiensten/raadpleegdiensten/geocache/tms/1.0.0/orthoklm@WGS84VL/ {zoom-*z*}/{x}/{y}.png But I was unable to find a working *z*. That's always the problem with TMS when it's not standard. x and y could be swapped or x be bottom up, etc... A puzzle if it's not documented. The advantage of TMS is that the images (tiles) are not modified by the server. Anyway, the corresponding WMS configurations are: wms: http://grb.agiv.be/geodiensten/raadpleegdiensten/geocache/?FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapSTYLES=SRS= {proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}LAYERS=orthoklmx It seems to me to have fairly the same resolution as the viewer. Don't forget to right-click-change resolution on the layer, especially after you zoomed in. wms: http://grb.agiv.be/geodiensten/raadpleegdiensten/geocache/?FORMAT=image/pngVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapSTYLES=SRS= {proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}TRANSPARENT=YESLAYERS=grb_bsk,grb_gbg,grb_sel,grb_adp png is (much) better for the grb_* and jpeg for the orthos (equivalent but smaller images). Unfortunately, the grb images are not transparent (as in Wallonie). I still used TRANSPARENT=YES in case they would. Play with the layers' transparency if you need so. compare the maximum resolution after you Install a wms layer on JOSM: I used this uri, but maybe it can be 'optimised': wms[12]: http://wms.agiv.be/ogc/wms/omkl?FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=OrthoSTYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox} The 12 between [] stands for the maximum zoom level. I tried with values of 19, 21, 25, but it doesn't seem to have any effect. So I guess one could also simply omit it. The zoom limit prevents querying servers that return blank or error images when the resolution limit is exceeded. If you can determine the JOSM zoom level corresponding to the resolution limit (13 for TMS) you can use it. This will prevent uselessly getting stretched images from the server when JOSM itself can stretch them to the screen. I also tried to use it as tms layer, but no luck with that either. Did you have the same problem as I did (no image at any speed) or another? Tell me how you could get TMS working, anyone. Thanks for having a look at it. It's great to have 2 imagery sources. For some places it works like a time machine. For others sometimes Bing is clearer, ofthen AGIV is more revealing, as they had the good sense to shoot pictures in wintertime, when there is less foliage on the trees. It's even greater to have more ;-) All sorts of maps can help figuring what one sees on a photo :-) Beware of Bing's error offset. Always zoom out to check or... check with another map. At the maximum possible resolution it would be just about perfect. I hope it will. Tell me. Have fun. Cheers, Rambo. Jo Op 18 maart 2013 19:18 schreef A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comhet volgende: On 2013-03-12 08:13, Jo wrote : Anderzijds is het wel wat vreemd dat wat JOSM in de WMS-laag laat zien duidelijk een lagere resolutie heeft, dan wat er op de website van AGIV zelf zichtbaar is. Het klinkt misschien wat ondankbaar, maar weten dat er betere kwaliteit beschikbaar is en het dan met minder duidelijke beelden moeten doen, is toch wat frustrerend. Het zou wel kunnen dat de URI die we gebruiken niet geoptimaliseerd is. Ik zal dit ook eens op josm-dev posten en dan vraag ik tegelijk hoe we ervoor kunnen zorgen dat JOSM
[OSM-talk] Crossroad names
Hello, some weeks/months ago I started a discussion here that OSM needs to show crossroad names. I then opened a bug report on the bug tracker, but there was absolutely no reaction there – not even a comment that it is not needed (as it is at least usually done on OSS projects). As I announced, I would not give up so easily, so that is why I write another mail. How can we get this feature supported? For comparison, try to imagine what a European OSM map would look like without street names. We could try to delete them for a while, and I bet that it would be supported again in no time. Thanks. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
Am Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:48:21 +0100 schrieb Hans Schmidt z0idb...@gmx.de: some weeks/months ago I started a discussion here that OSM needs to show crossroad names. I then opened a bug report on the bug tracker, but there was absolutely no reaction there – not even a comment that it is not needed (as it is at least usually done on OSS projects). It seems there are not a lot of people in need of this feature. As I announced, I would not give up so easily, so that is why I write another mail. How can we get this feature supported? Render a map supporting name= on crossroads. Or make an overlay using Overpass API. For comparison, try to imagine what a European OSM map would look like without street names. Apples and pears? regards Thomas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
On 24/03/13 11:48, Hans Schmidt wrote: some weeks/months ago I started a discussion here that OSM needs to show crossroad names. I then opened a bug report on the bug tracker, but there was absolutely no reaction there – not even a comment that it is not needed (as it is at least usually done on OSS projects). As I announced, I would not give up so easily, so that is why I write another mail. How can we get this feature supported? For comparison, try to imagine what a European OSM map would look like without street names. We could try to delete them for a while, and I bet that it would be supported again in no time. Well the stylesheet is basically stalled at the moment, but we are working to revive it. As always though, there is no infinite pool people waiting to jump on tickets and implement them so the best way to get something in is always to provide a patch to implement it. In this case the way to do that would be to work against the new carto based stylesheet,which you can find here: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto That is not yet in production but we are working to get it into production as a way of rebooting the stylesheet maintenance. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
Am 24.03.2013 13:07, schrieb malenki: It seems there are not a lot of people in need of this feature. About 160 mio people is not a lot of people? Render a map supporting name= on crossroads. Or make an overlay using Overpass API. You miss my point: This is an essential map feature. And why should I make a map for me personally, if this is a general issue for everyone? Apples and pears? Is it? It seems that you have just made a comment without _any_ knowledge and without even the slightest bit of effort to understand what this is about. Sorry, but opinions like yours are ... For you in an abbreviated form, so that you can understand it: Crossroad names are in Japan and Korea similar to what street names in Europe are. They give a help for orientation. Without them, a map in Japan or Korea is extremely hard to read. Now you say that there are no people who need this: I would rather say that the general number of people from Japan or Korea who are using OSM is low, not the one number of people who would need it. So then we can analyze why few people from there use OSM. I would definitly say because 1. The entire project is extremely european centric 2. Major features who needed there are not supported (for example crossroad names) 3. If the map is so unsuitable for non-european regions, nobody will use it - nobody will participate - it seems that nobody needs these features So: There _are_ basic features who need to be supported in order that people from these regions will participate. And this is exactly why I made the comparison with street names. This is not apples and pears, this is chicken and egg. Of course, you can say that OSM is a European project, but then you should just delete every non-European data and restrict the map to Europe, so that nobody dares to create maps in their own country. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
Hans, OSM is a help yourself project. Street names are important in Europe, that's why Europeans helped themselves by making a database that records, and a map that shows, street names. People in countries where crossroads names are very important are invited to help themselves and improve OSM to the point where it becomes easy to record and display crossroads names. (OSM is quite popular in Japan so I'm surprised to hear from you that OSM should be extremely hard to read there. The Japanese OSM community does possess considerable technical skills so I would have assumed that if crossroads names are as important as you say, they would have developed something to implement them in the mean time.) 1. The entire project is extremely european centric 2. Major features who needed there are not supported (for example crossroad names) 3. If the map is so unsuitable for non-european regions, nobody will use it - nobody will participate - it seems that nobody needs these features This logic doesn't work. OSM has bootstrapped itself from nothing to what it is today in Europe. People in Europe participated in OSM before the map was usable, and made it usable. People in Japan and Korea can do the same. OSM is not an European project, OSM is a project that gives everyone on the planet the chance to participate and make a good map for their area. To my knowledge there hasn't been a proposal from Japan or Korea about how to map or render crossroads names; I'm sure it would be favourably considered by the wider community. It would make no sense for someone in Europe to develop something that he believes is useful in Japan or Korea when he doesn't even know the local circumstances. As I sad, OSM is a help-yourself project; people in Japan or Korea are welcome to help themselves. The way things like this often happen is that someone invents some kind of hack to achieve what they want - for example, it would be slightly incorrect but possible to place a node at a named intersection and tag it place=locality, name=blah blah. This would be rendered on the map. If it turns out that there's demand for this kind of information and people start to add it more frequently, someone would perhaps say uh guys, place=locality is not really good for an intersection name, let's make up something better, and things would run their course. Are you in touch with mappers in Japan or Korea, and if so, what is their opinion regarding intersection names? Are they waiting for someone to tell them what to do, or have they invented some kind of hack to add this (according to you) very important information? If they haven't, then why not? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
2013/3/24 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: OSM is a help yourself project. Street names are important in Europe, that's why Europeans helped themselves by making a database that records, and a map that shows, street names. People in countries where crossroads names are very important are invited to help themselves and improve OSM to the point where it becomes easy to record and display crossroads names. (OSM is quite popular in Japan so I'm surprised to hear from you that OSM should be extremely hard to read there. The Japanese OSM community does possess considerable technical skills so I would have assumed that if crossroads names are as important as you say, they would have developed something to implement them in the mean time.) But there were times when it was easier for the Europeans to help themselves, i.e propose a patch for one of the 2 main open map styles (osmarender and mapnik) and have hope that it would be integrated (actually in Osmarender you could simply change whatever you felt was reasonable). AFAIK almost all recently closed mapnik tickets were marked either invalid, won't fix, worksforme or duplicate, but I couldn't find hardly anything that actually got integrated. The only 2 tickets I found that were opened since Jan 2012 and got fixed for mapnik are these two: https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/4226 https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/4523 (doesn't appear to have been a style problem) While I agree that mapnik is (at least for European areas) a reasonably mature style there are still lots of smaller issues that might be addressed (and maybe are not because of issues with mapnik on windows or key not available in db or maybe not so much available time that the style sheet developers can dedicate). Anyway, for whatever reason, in the past few years there were very few modifications to what the style displays and how (while at the same time tagging evolved a lot). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
Am 24.03.2013 14:45, schrieb Frederik Ramm: The way things like this often happen is that someone invents some kind of hack to achieve what they want - for example, it would be slightly incorrect but possible to place a node at a named intersection and tag it place=locality, name=blah blah. This would be rendered on the map. If it turns out that there's demand for this kind of information and people start to add it more frequently, someone would perhaps say uh guys, place=locality is not really good for an intersection name, let's make up something better, and things would run their course. I can understand that there is a need to first create the data and then look which is the best. But in some cases, I think it is better to create a solution and a recommendation beforehand. The thing is that these features are needed (everyone can see this who takes a look at a Japanese map), and with some planning in before, this would be easier. A well developed solution how this is done can enable everyone to tag the data correctly. If you do a dirty hack, you have to correct everything afterwards again. Are you in touch with mappers in Japan or Korea, and if so, what is their opinion regarding intersection names? Are they waiting for someone to tell them what to do, or have they invented some kind of hack to add this (according to you) very important information? If they haven't, then why not? I have asked the question on the Japanese mailing list, and there the reply was something like “Yeah, we had the discussion before, and the general opinion was ‘it would be better to have them displayed’”. As to why they are not more eager to have them displayed – I don’t know. Maybe it is a language issue? Still, there is one problem though: I rather get the feeling that if this is not supported on the main map, there will be some forks, where the country specific issues are resolved on a separate page. And I think this is a problem which is really not desirable. Of course, “OSM is only a database, not a map”, but osm.org is de facto the place to go if you want to see the OSM map. If you then have to use tens of different maps for every country, this is not good. And as Martin said: If a project has gained a certain size, it is harder to get suggestions implemented. If a project is small, a small issue will likely be implemented. If it is larger, it is usually considered as not as important. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Area tags in Overpass API
On 23.03.2013 02:13, Paul Norman wrote: The canonical list of areas is all polygon entries in http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/export/osm2pgsql/default.sty le Anything with those tags will be considered an area by the osm2pgsql style used for rendering tile.osm.org, which is the largest consumer. But that list is quite short - surely there are more area keys and tags documented in the wiki and used in the database than that. The wiki actually offers machine readable templates on the Key:* and Tag:* pages with boolean flags such as onWay and onArea, which are currently parsed by Taginfo and offered though the Taginfo API. Without doubt there are errors in these wiki templates, but I believe that they are the most comprehensive source of documented area tags. Whether it's suitable for Overpass is a different question, of course. If stable behaviour is a vital goal, that might not be fully achieved when using a source as potentially volatile as our wiki. Tobias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
2013/3/24 Hans Schmidt z0idb...@gmx.de: And as Martin said: If a project has gained a certain size, it is harder to get suggestions implemented. While I'd agree with this, it is not what I wrote. I said: it seems that mapnik style development has stuck in the recent past (1-2 years), while other fields like tagging have continued to evolve in a dynamic way as usual. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
Have you started working on a patch for the stylesheet yet? Until you do please stop spamming. -- --- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
Am 24.03.2013 15:10, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: But there were times when it was easier for the Europeans to help themselves, i.e propose a patch for one of the 2 main open map styles (osmarender and mapnik) and have hope that it would be integrated (actually in Osmarender you could simply change whatever you felt was reasonable). AFAIK almost all recently closed mapnik tickets were marked either invalid, won't fix, worksforme or duplicate, but I couldn't find hardly anything that actually got integrated. Currently ist's really hard for anyone (not just Europeans) to do any change to the mapnik style due tu its complexity. That's why nobody really works on it; not because they don't care but because its freaking hard to get the style to do exactly what you want without destroying sth. else. Well, someone *is* working on it, he's porting it to Carto to make it accessable for the broader public, too: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto So your best option would be to fork the above mentioned repo, incorporate your changes, do some test-renderings of areas in Japan/Korea *and* Europe and put all together into a pull request. The carto style is not yet deployed on osm.org but I'm really sure it will land there, soon. The more new features it has over the current style, the sooner. Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
Am Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:12:47 +0100 schrieb Hans Schmidt z0idb...@gmx.de: Am 24.03.2013 13:07, schrieb malenki: It seems there are not a lot of people in need of this feature. About 160 mio people is not a lot of people? Since you didn't go into details in you OP, where from should I know this? What I wanted to say with what I said above is along with Frederik Ramm's opinion: If there would be/is a real need to render such a map, somebody would have done/ will do it. :) Render a map supporting name= on crossroads. Or make an overlay using Overpass API. You miss my point: This is an essential map feature. And why should I make a map for me personally, if this is a general issue for everyone? I did not say you should render it for yourself. You can make it public. Apples and pears? Is it? It seems that you have just made a comment without _any_ knowledge and without even the slightest bit of effort to understand what this is about. Like IT people like to say: crap in, crap out. You say a lot of people need xy, what if we took away ab from Europe. Luckily in your reply you gave some details (below) Sorry, but opinions like yours are ... You are welcome :) [nice explanation why rendered crossroad names are not unimportant] [...] 3. If the map is so unsuitable for non-european regions, nobody will use it - nobody will participate - it seems that nobody needs these features In 2006 the map was totally unusable. Despite this fact a lot of people contributed and made it usable and are going on doing so. So: There _are_ basic features who need to be supported in order that people from these regions will participate. Imho a reason for only a small number of participants in the regions you mentioned can also be the number of imports dumped into the database without any cleanup. Just mentioning KSJ2 (tons of intersecting ways of all kind, thirteen useless tags¹ on lot of nodes), YahooJapanALPS_Data (lot of unconnected/intersecting highways) or what user cyana did in South Korea. And this is exactly why I made the comparison with street names. This is not apples and pears With your explanations not anymore. Thomas ¹ http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/KSJ2%3AINT#combinations ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
Am Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:35:06 +0100 schrieb Hans Schmidt z0idb...@gmx.de: Still, there is one problem though: I rather get the feeling that if this is not supported on the main map, there will be some forks, where the country specific issues are resolved on a separate page. And I think this is a problem which is really not desirable. Why not? E.g. openstreetmap.de has it's own rendering style. Of course, “OSM is only a database, not a map”, but osm.org is de facto the place to go if you want to see the OSM map. If you then have to use tens of different maps for every country, this is not good. Then why these sites exist (random picks): openstreetmap.de (own style) openstreetmap.nl openstreetmap.jp openstreetmap.sk (redirect to awesome freemap.sk) openstreetmap.cz openstreetmap.ru openstreetmap.by (own style) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Area tags in Overpass API
Am 23.03.2013, 02:13 Uhr, schrieb Paul Norman penor...@mac.com: The canonical list of areas is all polygon entries in http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/export/osm2pgsql/default.sty le I came up with a more elaborate area-detection algorithm for overpass-turbo [1], which respects our official documentation (the wiki) much better than osm2pgsql does. It is mostly based on the information found in the wiki and my own understanding and interpretation of OSM. It is surely (still) quite incomplete. Thus, I would be glad to hear about possible improvements for this algorithm! Martin / tyr_asd [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_turbo/Polygon_Features ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Area tags in Overpass API
Am 24.03.2013, 15:40 Uhr, schrieb Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: The wiki actually offers machine readable templates on the Key:* and Tag:* pages with boolean flags such as onWay and onArea, which are currently parsed by Taginfo and offered though the Taginfo API. Without doubt there are errors in these wiki templates, but I believe that they are the most comprehensive source of documented area tags. The wiki (and thus also taginfo) has information about where a tag can be used on, but not whether the tag defines an area or not. See the following examples: * natural=cliff has onWay=true and onArea=true and defines a way as an area, if the way forms a closed loop. * name=* also has onWay=true and onArea=true, but does not define any way as an area. * highway=* has onArea=false, but if combined with area=yes (or any other area-defining tag) the way is still an area. We would need a flag like definesArea (in addition to onArea) in order to write an area-detection algorithm based on the wiki alone. Martin / tyr_asd ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Area tags in Overpass API
On 24.03.2013 17:01, Martin Raifer wrote: The wiki (and thus also taginfo) has information about where a tag can be used on, but not whether the tag defines an area or not. See the following examples: * natural=cliff has onWay=true and onArea=true and defines a way as an area, if the way forms a closed loop. * name=* also has onWay=true and onArea=true, but does not define any way as an area. * highway=* has onArea=false, but if combined with area=yes (or any other area-defining tag) the way is still an area. Well, the first example is the one that contradicts my expectations. I assumed the general rule was that only area-only tags (including area=yes) can turn a closed way into an area. I did not know that there were actually features that can be linear, but where a closed way nevertheless represents an area by default and you need an area=no if you want it to be linear. If that is accepted practice, though, then the wiki does indeed not have enough data to make the distinction. Tobias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
On 24 March 2013 15:00, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Currently ist's really hard for anyone (not just Europeans) to do any change to the mapnik style due tu its complexity. That's why nobody really works on it; not because they don't care but because its freaking hard to get the style to do exactly what you want without destroying sth. else. The current stylesheet has been stuck for ages, even in Europe there are a lot of useful things unrendered. How about OSMF paying someone to complete this port? Possibly a corporate sponsor could be found or have a kickstarter or something. Kevin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
On 24/03/13 16:32, Kevin Peat wrote: On 24 March 2013 15:00, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Currently ist's really hard for anyone (not just Europeans) to do any change to the mapnik style due tu its complexity. That's why nobody really works on it; not because they don't care but because its freaking hard to get the style to do exactly what you want without destroying sth. else. The current stylesheet has been stuck for ages, even in Europe there are a lot of useful things unrendered. How about OSMF paying someone to complete this port? Possibly a corporate sponsor could be found or have a kickstarter or something. What makes you think money is the problem? The problem is that the original XML stylesheet is all but impossible to edit which is why it is being redeveloped in carto and preparations are being made for deployment of that redeveloped version. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
On 24 March 2013 16:38, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: What makes you think money is the problem? Money could help to speed up the process by buying time which people may not be able to give as a volunteer. Crowd sourcing map data works great because it is fun (for OSMers at least!) but building stylesheets is fun for way less people so some inducement may be required. Kevin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
Am 24.03.2013 16:15, schrieb malenki: Since you didn't go into details in you OP, where from should I know this? Well, I mentioned it some weeks before. I didn’t want to write anything again, because this should have been just a running-up thread for the bug tracker. Why not? E.g. openstreetmap.de has it's own rendering style. Because what should be the advantage over one page for everything? I admit, in order to use different languages, this used to be necessary (more or less). But with the multilingual map, this problem is hopefully solved in the future. With different websites, we rather have the problem that the user has to know every single different page. Imagine if a German person would like to see the map of Russia? Should he then first search for the Russian OSM page? Why not just use one map for everything? Am 24.03.2013 16:00, schrieb Peter Körner: So your best option would be to fork the above mentioned repo, incorporate your changes, do some test-renderings of areas in Japan/Korea *and* Europe and put all together into a pull request. About this: Is is not possible to make some styles specific to one region, so that it would not wreak havoc in another? For example, if we have crossroad names only in Japan and Korea, would it not be possible to limit these changes only to these countries? So that the other countries’ stylesheets are not even affected? Then it would be possible to “play a little bit around” in one country, without affecting the entire OSM page. This would not only be relevant for my issue here. Imagine that in one country, one type of shop would be so ubiquitous that it needed to be supported. In another country, that kind of shop is non-existant or not really relevant. Or again concerning the crossroads: in Japan, they are usually displayed with a rectangle around the name. In Korea, this may be different (not sure about that, though). If we only have one stylesheet for the whole world, this would inevitably cause problems or create some kind of substandard “average”, where nobody is really content with. Of course, this is a software issue, but maybe for some future version: If these stylesheets could be customized according to region, it would speed up changes and be more suitable for individual regions. Then the Japanese mailing list would have the responsibility about “their country”. By the way, I did not know that the original stylesheet is so impossible to change. I rather though that it would be relatively easy in a way like “if node has property x and y, do this“, not even with programming skills involved. Sorry everyone, this was my mistake. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
Am 24.03.2013 17:59, schrieb Kevin Peat: On 24 March 2013 16:38, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: What makes you think money is the problem? Money could help to speed up the process by buying time which people may not be able to give as a volunteer. Crowd sourcing map data works great because it is fun (for OSMers at least!) but building stylesheets is fun for way less people so some inducement may be required. This is exactly what I think. Although I happily map with JOSM, I have almost no idea about programming or anything more difficult. I rather invest my time into something which I am good at, and where I can earn money. I would really like to give something of that money to OSM so that other people who are good at programming can improve the page for me. Or that somebody might start to do some unpleasant work if he is compensated for that dull work with money, so that he can do something fun with it. Why should I invest so much time a) learning how to program and b) learning to understand the stuff behind OSM, if somebody who already is proficient in these things can do it so much more efficient than me? I wonder why the monetary aspect is not more prominent in open source projects. Imo, this could solve many many problems in projects, which are stuck in their development due to lack of manpower. This divison of labour is the core of our economic system and it works very well. You pay a hairdresser to get your hair cut, because you do not want to or you cannot cut your hair yourself. You pay somebody to have a nice book from a foreign language translated, because it would cost you too much time to learn the language for yourself. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
2013/3/24 Hans Schmidt z0idb...@gmx.de: About this: Is is not possible to make some styles specific to one region, so that it would not wreak havoc in another? For example, if we have crossroad names only in Japan and Korea, would it not be possible to limit these changes only to these countries? So that the other countries’ stylesheets are not even affected? Then it would be possible to “play a little bit around” in one country, without affecting the entire OSM page. AFAIK with the current implementation on OSM it is not possible, but if you see the mapquest stack it would be feasible to distinguish by country. IMHO it is not really necessary to cope on style sheet level with this: either there is the data, or not, and if crossroads don't have a name (Europe) nothing will show up even if there was a rendering rule for named crossroads. This would not only be relevant for my issue here. Imagine that in one country, one type of shop would be so ubiquitous that it needed to be supported. In another country, that kind of shop is non-existant or not really relevant. see above: the style renders data that is there, if a certain shop type is non-existant in a country it won't be rendered, as it's not there ;-) Or again concerning the crossroads: in Japan, they are usually displayed with a rectangle around the name. In Korea, this may be different (not sure about that, though). If we only have one stylesheet for the whole world, this would inevitably cause problems or create some kind of substandard “average”, where nobody is really content with. this is a case where you would need the feature (e.g. also for custom subway signs, road colors, highway shields etc. by country/city/region/etc.) cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
Am Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:15:19 +0100 schrieb Hans Schmidt z0idb...@gmx.de: Am 24.03.2013 16:15, schrieb malenki: Since you didn't go into details in you OP, where from should I know this? Well, I mentioned it some weeks before. I didn’t want to write anything again, because this should have been just a running-up thread for the bug tracker. A link to the post would have done. page. Imagine if a German person would like to see the map of Russia? Should he then first search for the Russian OSM page? Why not just use one map for everything? If I have a look at Japanese or Korean regions with osm.org I still wouldn't miss the names of the crossroads :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Area tags in Overpass API
2013/3/24 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: On 24.03.2013 17:01, Martin Raifer wrote: * natural=cliff has onWay=true and onArea=true and defines a way as an area, if the way forms a closed loop. Well, the first example is the one that contradicts my expectations. I assumed the general rule was that only area-only tags (including area=yes) can turn a closed way into an area. +1, IMHO this should be discussed and probably we'll have to adjust the wiki after discussion. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names
Am 24.03.2013 19:28, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: this is a case where you would need the feature (e.g. also for custom subway signs, road colors, highway shields etc. by country/city/region/etc.) Actually if I think about it, the feature is rather a must-have in some future version: Different signs for temples, schools, parking lots, cementaries etc. Everything where something culturally or linguistical plays a role. I wouldn’t even dare to guess how much stuff there is which is better to distinguish from country to country. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Area tags in Overpass API
There is an example of a line/area from indoor maps. In working in my real job we model walls either as a line or an area, depending on the resolution of the building source. A closed way can form an area-type wall or it can form a line-type wall closed around a room or a building. I expect the same will be done in indoor maps in OSM, which I am working on. Dave On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: On 24.03.2013 17:01, Martin Raifer wrote: The wiki (and thus also taginfo) has information about where a tag can be used on, but not whether the tag defines an area or not. See the following examples: * natural=cliff has onWay=true and onArea=true and defines a way as an area, if the way forms a closed loop. * name=* also has onWay=true and onArea=true, but does not define any way as an area. * highway=* has onArea=false, but if combined with area=yes (or any other area-defining tag) the way is still an area. Well, the first example is the one that contradicts my expectations. I assumed the general rule was that only area-only tags (including area=yes) can turn a closed way into an area. I did not know that there were actually features that can be linear, but where a closed way nevertheless represents an area by default and you need an area=no if you want it to be linear. If that is accepted practice, though, then the wiki does indeed not have enough data to make the distinction. Tobias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-de] Wie mappt man einen Hundekotbeutelspender-und-Mülleimer-in-Einem?
Wie mappt man etwas, was gleichzeitig ein Hundekotbeutelspender _und_ ein Mülleimer ist? Folgendes Taggingschema ginge ja leider nicht: Ein node mit: * amenity=waste_basket * amenity=vending_machine * vending=excrement_bags Es geht nicht, weil amenity=* ja nur einen Wert haben darf. Deshalb bin ich vorerst auf diese suboptimale Lösung aufgesprungen: Ein node mit: * amenity=waste_basket Ein andere node an der gleichen Position mit: * amenity=vending_machine * vending=excement_bags Was kann mir Talk-de dazu sagen? -- Wuzzy XMPP: wuz...@jabber.ccc.de E-Mail: wuz...@mail.ru ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wie mappt man einen Hundekotbeutelspender-und-Mülleimer-in-Einem?
Am 24. März 2013 14:33 schrieb Wuzzy wuz...@mail.ru: Wie mappt man etwas, was gleichzeitig ein Hundekotbeutelspender _und_ ein Mülleimer ist? Folgendes Taggingschema ginge ja leider nicht: Ein node mit: * amenity=waste_basket * amenity=vending_machine * vending=excrement_bags Es geht nicht, weil amenity=* ja nur einen Wert haben darf. Deshalb bin ich vorerst auf diese suboptimale Lösung aufgesprungen: Ein node mit: * amenity=waste_basket Ein andere node an der gleichen Position mit: * amenity=vending_machine * vending=excement_bags Was kann mir Talk-de dazu sagen? ja, vermutlich ist das derzeit die beste Möglichkeit (2 nodes), alternativ könntest Du höchstens einen Doppelwert amenity=waste_basket;vending_machine taggen, mit dem Ergebnis, dass höchstwahrscheinlich keiner der Werte mehr ausgewertet wird, daher wird davon sehr abgeraten. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wie mappt man einen Hundekotbeutelspender-und-Mülleimer-in-Einem?
2 Nodes ist hier die beste Lösung. Jo 2013/3/24 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Am 24. März 2013 14:33 schrieb Wuzzy wuz...@mail.ru: Wie mappt man etwas, was gleichzeitig ein Hundekotbeutelspender _und_ ein Mülleimer ist? Folgendes Taggingschema ginge ja leider nicht: Ein node mit: * amenity=waste_basket * amenity=vending_machine * vending=excrement_bags Es geht nicht, weil amenity=* ja nur einen Wert haben darf. Deshalb bin ich vorerst auf diese suboptimale Lösung aufgesprungen: Ein node mit: * amenity=waste_basket Ein andere node an der gleichen Position mit: * amenity=vending_machine * vending=excement_bags Was kann mir Talk-de dazu sagen? ja, vermutlich ist das derzeit die beste Möglichkeit (2 nodes), alternativ könntest Du höchstens einen Doppelwert amenity=waste_basket;vending_machine taggen, mit dem Ergebnis, dass höchstwahrscheinlich keiner der Werte mehr ausgewertet wird, daher wird davon sehr abgeraten. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wie Buchstaben-Ergänzung bei Hausnummern mappen?
On 22.03.2013 13:02, bkmap wrote: Hallo, Dem Nutzer will ich in dieser Sache nur ungern eine Schreibweise vorschreiben. Das empfinde ich persönlich als Überregulierung und ist meist sowieso nicht durchsetzbar. Außerdem gibt es ja, wie bereits erwähnt, regionale Unterschiede ;) +1 Ich stimme dem zu. Man soll es jedem selbst überlassen, ob er das Ei am breiten oder spitzen Ende aufschlägt ;) Schön gesagt. Gruß Burkhard ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Incertezza su autostrada CT-SR
Ciao Luigi Toscano, se hai dubbi in merito la strada e come essa viene indicata nella cartellonistica ti consiglio di porre la questione sul sito skyscrapercity http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=169 in particolare ti consiglio di riferirti al topic sulla CT-SR http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1042385 personalmente ho trovato di estrema utilità l'essermi iscritto a questo forum visto che è una fonte incredibile di informazioni utilissime per mappare :) Ps: se decidessi di scrivere sul forum scrivi che stai collaborando a OSM così fai anche un po' di pubblicità al progetto...visto l'ambito del forum direi che in moltissimi utenti potrebbero decidere di collaborare alla nostra amata mappa ;) -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Incertezza-su-autostrada-CT-SR-tp5754419p5754446.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] way avanti e indietro
in realtà potrebbe essere presente una strada che si immette sul raccordo in ingresso nella rotonda...mettiamo il caso fosse quella la destinazione e noi provenissimo dalla rotonda, il navigatore potrebbe decidere che, essendo effettivamente la via più breve e non venendo indicato alcun divieto di svolta (inversione a U), la rotta da seguire debba essere uscire dalla rotonda ed effettuare poi una inversione ad U che porti sul raccordo di immissione alla rotonda dove imboccare (a destra) la strada di destinazione. quindi direi che è una separazione della via + restrizione sarebbe un metodo di mappatura auspicabile (purtroppo però nel wiki non si fa riferimento a ciò) mi è venuto un dubbio: è possibile *usare un bot* per identificare questi raccordi, dividerli e imporre nel punto di divisione un divieto di svolta? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/way-avanti-e-indietro-tp5753797p5754448.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] way avanti e indietro
Am 24/mar/2013 um 08:34 schrieb Aury88 spacedrive...@gmail.com: in realtà potrebbe essere presente una strada che si immette sul raccordo in ingresso nella rotonda...mettiamo il caso fosse quella la destinazione e noi provenissimo dalla rotonda, il navigatore potrebbe decidere che, essendo effettivamente la via più breve e non venendo indicato alcun divieto di svolta (inversione a U), la rotta da seguire debba essere uscire dalla rotonda ed effettuare poi una inversione ad U che porti sul raccordo di immissione alla rotonda dove imboccare (a destra) la strada di destinazione. quindi direi che è una separazione della via + restrizione sarebbe un metodo di mappatura auspicabile I divieti sono sempre utili da mappare, perché se fai per esempio una simulazione del traffico e si intoppa la via più breve devi prevenire all'uso di altre possibilità alternative (quali il router normalmente non prende perché sono poco più lunghi) se sono vietati per legge. Lo stesso vale quando l'utente sbaglia strada: devi poi suggerire un alternativa legalmente possibile... Quindi non ci possiamo mai limitare a mappare i divieti di svolta solo per i percorsi che pensiamo di essere i più brevi... Ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] way avanti e indietro
Am 24/mar/2013 um 08:34 schrieb Aury88 spacedrive...@gmail.com: mi è venuto un dubbio: è possibile *usare un bot* per identificare questi raccordi, dividerli e imporre nel punto di divisione un divieto di svolta? no, non è possibile in OSM, dove ci affidiamo delle conoscenze locali dei mappatori invece di probabilità h euristiche ;-) ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Tag per indicare una villa
Ciao, volevo mappare alcune ville della mia zona. Pensavo a questo gruppo di tag: name = (nome) building = yes tourism = attraction historic = manor Per l'ultimo tag mi sono basato sulla descrizione della wikia inglese: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmanor Inoltre è abbastanza usato secondo tagwatch: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=historicvalue=manor Che dite, va bene? Suggerimenti? Grazie! Leonardo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag per indicare una villa
On dom, 2013-03-24 at 13:21 +0100, Leonardo wrote: Che dite, va bene? Suggerimenti? «vai così che è una figata» :-) /bruno -- CONTACTS http://tracciabi.li/~bruno/contacts.html 2nd email br...@tracciabi.li GNU/Linux registered user #121507 http://linuxcounter.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag per indicare una villa
L'ho utilizzato in questo modo per ville venete. tourism=attraction normalmente non ho messo, salvo per le ville più famose e visitabili. Ma forse dovrebbe essere utilizzato anche per ville che non si visitano, perché anche solo dall'esterno possono essere di interesse. Poi ho aggiunto link to wikipedia e il sito della villa stessa, dove disponibili. Non so invece come indicare in generale se una villa o altro posto non è apèerto per visite al pubblico. Volker 2013/3/24 Leonardo kinetocor...@gmail.com Ciao, volevo mappare alcune ville della mia zona. Pensavo a questo gruppo di tag: name = (nome) building = yes tourism = attraction historic = manor Per l'ultimo tag mi sono basato sulla descrizione della wikia inglese: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmanorhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmanor Inoltre è abbastanza usato secondo tagwatch: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.**org/tags/?key=historicvalue=**manorhttp://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=historicvalue=manor Che dite, va bene? Suggerimenti? Grazie! Leonardo __**_ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag per indicare una villa
2013/3/24 Leonardo kinetocor...@gmail.com: Ciao, volevo mappare alcune ville della mia zona. Pensavo a questo gruppo di tag: name = (nome) building = yes tourism = attraction historic = manor Per l'ultimo tag mi sono basato sulla descrizione della wikia inglese: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmanor è discutibile, un manor è simile ad una villa, ma non è proprio la stessa cosa, farei un pensiero anche all'ipotesi di utilizzare un nuovo tag come historic=villa http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=historic%3Dvilla (usato solo 8 volte). Forse lo puoi mettere anche su tutto il contorno della proprietà e non solo ad un singolo edificio. Per il tag building invece sarei decisamente a favore di usare building=villa, è chiaramente un tipo architettonico. In più potresti aggiungere tags come architect start_date wikipedia ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag per indicare una villa
2013/3/24 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: In più potresti aggiungere tags come architect start_date wikipedia e ovviamente ancora tanti altri come operator website addr:housename, addr:housenumber, addr:street opening_hours fee ... ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Dubbio tag name per chiesetta
Il 21/03/2013 18:53, girarsi ha scritto: Il 21/03/2013 07:04, Mario Pichetti ha scritto: Il 18/03/2013 10:03, Simone Saviolo ha scritto: Chiesa di San Valentino Per aggiungere o modificare http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:How_to_map_a#C Ciao Mario. Sinceramente nel link che mi hai postato, non collima con quanto fatto da me, nel senso, il tag amenity=place_of_worship l'ho applicato ad un'area, non ad un nodo, per cui credo sia ammissibile mettere anche area nel suggerimento. credi giusto:-) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Giusta osservazione:-) Infatti nel link http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dplace_of_worship dice: che si possono usare gli elements node e area, ma non aveva fatto i conti con un copia e incolla veloce da parte del sottoscritto. Provvedo:-) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Dubbio tag name per chiesetta
2013/3/24 Mario Pichetti mario.piche...@gmail.com: Sinceramente nel link che mi hai postato, non collima con quanto fatto da me, nel senso, il tag amenity=place_of_worship l'ho applicato ad un'area, non ad un nodo, per cui credo sia ammissibile mettere anche area nel suggerimento. nel caso di una chiesa si aggiunge anche building=church all'area (oltre ad amenity=place_of_worship). Molto spesso non viene fatto, e il risultato visivo rimane inalterato, ma un luogo di culto non è necessariamente un edificio. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag per indicare una villa
Non son tanto d'accordo con la creazione di un nuovo tag building=villa (o historic=villa, che mi sembrerebbe più logico in analogia con historic=manor). Se si leggono gli articoli su Manor e Villa on Wikipedia, viene chiaro che la maggior distintione dei due è in quale paese si trovano. L'uso di historic=manor è modesto e di historic=villa nullo, mi sembra. 2013/3/24 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2013/3/24 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: In più potresti aggiungere tags come architect start_date wikipedia e ovviamente ancora tanti altri come operator website addr:housename, addr:housenumber, addr:street opening_hours fee ... ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag per indicare una villa
2013/3/24 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: Non son tanto d'accordo con la creazione di un nuovo tag building=villa (o historic=villa, che mi sembrerebbe più logico in analogia con historic=manor). Se si leggono gli articoli su Manor e Villa on Wikipedia, viene chiaro che la maggior distintione dei due è in quale paese si trovano. L'uso di historic=manor è modesto e di historic=villa nullo, mi sembra. il tag building=villa non è nuovo, la semantica del tag building è building=building_type, con valore yes per uso preliminare. Qualsiasi altro valore più specifico di yes viene gradito, sopratutto quando si tratta di una tipologia così ben definita come villa. Il tag historic=villa invece non è usato molto, concordo. Comunque faccio notare che wikipedia inglese distingue tra manor e villa, non li tratta nello stesso articolo. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag per indicare una villa
In realtà è il concetto stesso di villa che si è evoluto nel tempo: inizialmente erano edifici padronali circondati da tenute agricole, usati quindi per controllare la zona, successivamente sono diventate abitazioni di lusso, spesso in campagna. Quindi le ville più antiche ricadrebbero idealmente sotto il tag historic=manor mentre quelle più nuove potrebbero stare sotto historic=villa. Inoltre il concetto di villa è stato esportato anche all'estero (vedi articolo wiki in inglese sulle ville in inghilterra). A questo punto sarebbe meglio questa combinazione: building=villa historic=villa Pareri? Leonardo Il 24/03/2013 15:38, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: 2013/3/24 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: Non son tanto d'accordo con la creazione di un nuovo tag building=villa (o historic=villa, che mi sembrerebbe più logico in analogia con historic=manor). Se si leggono gli articoli su Manor e Villa on Wikipedia, viene chiaro che la maggior distintione dei due è in quale paese si trovano. L'uso di historic=manor è modesto e di historic=villa nullo, mi sembra. il tag building=villa non è nuovo, la semantica del tag building è building=building_type, con valore yes per uso preliminare. Qualsiasi altro valore più specifico di yes viene gradito, sopratutto quando si tratta di una tipologia così ben definita come villa. Il tag historic=villa invece non è usato molto, concordo. Comunque faccio notare che wikipedia inglese distingue tra manor e villa, non li tratta nello stesso articolo. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Dubbio tag name per chiesetta
Il 24/03/2013 15:18, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: 2013/3/24 Mario Pichetti mario.piche...@gmail.com: Sinceramente nel link che mi hai postato, non collima con quanto fatto da me, nel senso, il tag amenity=place_of_worship l'ho applicato ad un'area, non ad un nodo, per cui credo sia ammissibile mettere anche area nel suggerimento. nel caso di una chiesa si aggiunge anche building=church all'area (oltre ad amenity=place_of_worship). Molto spesso non viene fatto, e il risultato visivo rimane inalterato, ma un luogo di culto non è necessariamente un edificio. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Scusate, ma in fatto di religion, sono neutro:-) Ho dato una sistematina http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:How_to_map_a#Chiesa.2FChiesetta Potete segnalare eventuali aggiunte o se volete provvedere personalmente. Buona serata, Mario. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Dubbio tag name per chiesetta
Il 24/03/2013 15:18, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: nel caso di una chiesa si aggiunge anche building=church all'area (oltre ad amenity=place_of_worship). Avevo dimenticato quel tag in questa chiesetta, grazie di avermelo ricordato. Molto spesso non viene fatto, e il risultato visivo rimane inalterato, ma un luogo di culto non � necessariamente un edificio. ciao, Martin In realtà compare una croce all'interno dell'edifici nel caso di un'area taggata con building=church ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Dubbio tag name per chiesetta
Il 24/03/2013 16:21, Mario Pichetti ha scritto: Scusate, ma in fatto di religion, sono neutro:-) Ho dato una sistematina http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:How_to_map_a#Chiesa.2FChiesetta Potete segnalare eventuali aggiunte o se volete provvedere personalmente. Buona serata, Mario. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Direi di inserire anche il simbolo area insieme al simbolo del nodo. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag per indicare una villa
Il 24/03/2013 15:44, Leonardo ha scritto: In realtà è il concetto stesso di villa che si è evoluto nel tempo: inizialmente erano edifici padronali circondati da tenute agricole, usati quindi per controllare la zona, successivamente sono diventate abitazioni di lusso, spesso in campagna. Quindi le ville più antiche ricadrebbero idealmente sotto il tag historic=manor mentre quelle più nuove potrebbero stare sotto historic=villa. Inoltre il concetto di villa è stato esportato anche all'estero (vedi articolo wiki in inglese sulle ville in inghilterra). A questo punto sarebbe meglio questa combinazione: building=villa historic=villa Pareri? C'era già stata (molto) tempo fa una discussione [1]... vediamo se sta volta riusciamo a definire un tag. All'epoca avevo proposto proprio historic=villa (o forse addirittura historic=villa veneta, per distinguerla da altri tipi di villa che hanno uno scopo ed una conformazione differente), dunque non posso che appoggiare la proposta. Il building=villa lo metteresti solo sulla casa dominicale o anche sulle barchesse? ciao Paolo M ps: historic=manor da quanto capisco dal wiki è in conflitto con historic=castle + castle_type=manor (e pure castle_type=stately volendo) [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2009-June/008818.html ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag per indicare una villa
Se la villa veneta è un tipo architettonico ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palladian_villas_of_Veneto) forse sarebbe più chiaro un tag più specifico del tipo building=veneto_villa anche se su taginfo ci sono già 20 building=villa Buon mapping. Gian Mario. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Dubbio tag name per chiesetta
2013/3/24 girarsi_liste liste.gira...@gmail.com: Il 24/03/2013 15:18, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: nel caso di una chiesa si aggiunge anche building=church all'area (oltre ad amenity=place_of_worship). Avevo dimenticato quel tag in questa chiesetta, grazie di avermelo ricordato. Molto spesso non viene fatto, e il risultato visivo rimane inalterato, ma un luogo di culto non � necessariamente un edificio. ciao, Martin In realtà compare una croce all'interno dell'edifici nel caso di un'area taggata con building=church quello sopratutto viene gestito dal tag religion=christian. Al solito si aggiunge anche la denomination=catholic (o roman_catholic) http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/denomination#values ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag per indicare una villa
2013/3/24 Gian Mario Navillod gian.mario.navil...@gmail.com: Se la villa veneta è un tipo architettonico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palladian_villas_of_Veneto) forse sarebbe più chiaro un tag più specifico del tipo building=veneto_villa anche se su taginfo ci sono già 20 building=villa per me building=venetian_villa o simile sarebbe troppo specifico come archetipo di edificio (credo, ammetto che non sono ne esperto di Palladio ne del Veneto). Ammetto che non ho ne anche letto tutto l'articolo inglese sulle ville veneziane del Palladio, potresti indicare quale paragrafo ti fa pensare che un tipo proprio sarebbe più opportuno? ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Consiglio tag shop
2013/3/24 Gianluca Boero gianlucabo...@alice.it: come sempre da uno scontrino che ho in mano vorrei fare la mappatura di un negozio. E' un negozio di scarpe però come molti ora vende anche abbigliamento. quindi shop=shoes. +1, se si tratta di un negozio di scarpe è questo il tag ;-) Abbigliamento lo posso inserire come clothes=yes ? (non potendo abbinare due tag shop) potresti usare vending:clothes=yes oppure sell:clothes=yes perché altrimenti non è molto chiaro ne anche per un essere umano (potrebbe anche significare che puoi essere vestito per entrare ecc.) ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-se] Postnummer (igen)
http://osm.kodapan.se/postnummer Nu med Voronoi där regioner med angränsande punkter i samma postnummer slås ihop till en polygon. Det senare buggar lite och skapar exempelvis lite oväntade streck här och där. OSM-filer att hälla in i JSOM för varje postnummerområde (varje postnummer kan alltså bestå av flera stycken områden) finns för Halmstad (som i princip bygger på noderna av vägar som finns i ett enda postnummer) och Lund (där nästan varje hus i centrala delarna har ett nummer och skapar en känd punkt för ett postnummer) här: http://osm.kodapan.se/postnummer/lund.tar.gz http://osm.kodapan.se/postnummer/halmstad.tar.gz Lade även upp ett par screenshots från JOSM om man inte orkar: http://osm.kodapan.se/postnummer/lund%20kommun.tiff http://osm.kodapan.se/postnummer/lund.tiff http://osm.kodapan.se/postnummer/lund%20centralt.tiff http://osm.kodapan.se/postnummer/halmstad%20kommun.tiff http://osm.kodapan.se/postnummer/halmstad.tiff http://osm.kodapan.se/postnummer/halmstad%20centralt.tiff Det kräver fortfarande ytterligare några helgers arbete innan det här är klart. Om någon känner sig manad att kolla hur bra det fungerar i ett område de känner till är det bara att säga till. Applikationen äter ruskigt mycket minne och är ganska långsam om man inte cachar alla anrop till Posten, vilket man naturligtvis inte vill göra i det långa loppet. Vill någon leka med java-projektet (som också är en soppa) är det bara att höra av sig. Det kommer bli en baggis att extrahera postortsgränser från det här. Portorter är inte samma sak som SCBs småorter och tätorter, men jag tycker nog att en postortspolygon i många fall är mycket bättre än en enda nod som pekar ut centroiden av en ort. Ett stort problem är att jag inte vet till vilken postort en given punkt hör. Jag måste söka upp de närmsta städerna och slå upp om gatan är unik för de närmsta städerna. Är det inte unikt (vilket det ofta inte är) kan jag inte använda mig av datan. Man kan förvisso efter ett par iterationen använda sig av de framgruvade postortspolygonerna till detta, men jag oroar mig för att detta kommer skapa för mycket feedback med grus i systemet. En lösning är att komma över en öppen karta som visar två- eller tresiffrors postnummer. Annars vet jag inte riktigt. Om någon har förslag är det mycket välkommet. Slutmålet är som tidigare nämnt att skriva en öppen svensk geocoder som inter/extrapolerar fram husnummer (Posten listar alla nummer som finns), fixar med svenska regler för hur man kan tänkas skriva fel, etc . Detta ligger dock långt fram (flera år?) om det över huvud taget blir av. Det stora problemet är att gruva fram all saknad data... Det borde dock gå att få till när man kombinerar Postens data med OSM. Det krävs även en hel del arbete med att extrahera data från Postgis så det bildar en hierarkisk struktur. Nominatim gör det, men det är en soppa av olika språk och verktyg och jag lyckas inte tyda vad som händer. Om någon har tankar kring det kan jag ganska omgående skriva en geocoder fungerar kanon i Kalmar och Lund, men det känns relativt meningslöst att lägga tid på det nu. Har också kommit fram till att om något av detta (postnummerpolygonerna, postortspolygoner, gissa position för husnummer, etc) någonsin blir klart kommer jag nog sätta upp en ny Postgis med Overpass API som enbart innehåller dessa data så det blir lättare att rendera om allt från början lite då och då. Slipper folk som ritar in saker i noderna, osv. Dessutom blir det jag personligen och inte OSM som är data-martyren om någon (läs: Posten, PTS, etc) skulle bli väldigt arga. Kanadensiska posten blev ju väldigt upprörda. kalle 3 jan 2013 kl. 20:06 skrev Karl Wettin: Jag har sytt ihop en snurra som fixar postnummer via postens webtjänst http://www.posten.se/soktjanst/postnummersok/. Den kan redan nu lägga till och rätta postnummer på postadressrelaterade saker, tycker ni jag skall släppa loss den för att göra det? Skall slänga upp koden på github eller något sånt. Jag hade dock tänkt mig att den skall skapa områdespolygoner vilket tyvärr inte fungerar så bra ännu. Först samlar den upp massa punkter den kan koppla till ett postnummer: 1. Nodes och ways med [addr:street=*] och [addr:housenumber=*]. 2. Ways med [highway=*] och [name=*] där hela gatan befinner sig i samma postnummer. Saknas [addr:city] väljer den det på följande sätt: 1. Hämtar alla [place={hamlet, village, town, city}] med [ref:se:scb=*]. 2. Väljer ut de som har [name] som existerar som postort hos Posten. 3. Sorterar till avståndet från positionen till alla postorter. 4. Söker efter den första förekommande husnummer med rätt gatunamn bland listan av möjliga postorter. (Bör nog göras om så den väljer bara om det finns i en av postorterna) För att skapa polygoner har jag testkört lite över Lund (centrala) och Halmstad (kommunen). Mitt första försök är att hälla alla punkter per
Re: [Talk-es] LearnOSM em español
Hola: A mí me gustaría colaborar, pero no tengo muy claro como hacerlo. He visto el repositorio de learnosm/valencia https://github.com/geoinquietosvlc/learnosm Pero a partir de ahí no se como hacer. ¿Alguna pista? Gracias Fdo.: Santiago Higuera l sáb, 23-03-2013 a las 19:16 +0100, Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas escribió: 2013/3/23 Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas js...@osgeo.org: 2013/3/22 Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com: Acabodo de crear un branch (rama?) 'spanish' y un ticket para coordenar la traducción: https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm/issues/63 Genial Alex, a ver si alguien se anima. Si no lo hace nadie antes, tal vez haga el fork en la cuenta de GeoinquietosVLC y desde ahí coordinamos la traducción para ir enviando pull requests. Por cierto, no sé si el material del taller que preparé el año pasado[1] puede ser útil. Dentro de un mes haremos otro taller aquí en Valencia y seguramente lo revisemos y nos apoyemos en materiales de LearnOSM. Saludos! [1] http://jsanz.github.com/slides-201205-osm-xirivella/ Bueno ya lo he comentado en el ticket, pero si alguien se anima a echar una mano (una persona ya me ha contactado fuera de lista), que se pase por el ticket y nos coordinamos allí. Si no tiene ni la más remota idea de cómo usar GitHub, pues dificulta un poco el asunto pero lo podemos resolver entonces por aquí. Saludos ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-ro] Vandalizare Onesti, Bacau
Fratilor, va repar eu Onesti, cu tot cu cladiri, insa am o rugaminte mare de a nu accesa nimeni Onestiul pentru modificari pana Marti Seara pe data de 26.03.2013. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Vandalizare-Onesti-Bacau-tp5749344p5754544.html Sent from the Romania mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-ro mailing list Talk-ro@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro
Re: [Talk-ro] Vandalizare Onesti, Bacau
Poate trebuie sa salvezi mai des, gen la 5-10 min si sa reintri in editor? E mai lent, dar o sa vezi repede ce fac altii. Oricum, stai linistit. Am desenat acu o saptamana vreo cateva strazi si nu se atinsese nimeni de Onesti de cand a inceput threadul asta. Strainu În data de 24 martie 2013, 22:34, Gabriel Sebastian Moise gabrielsebastianmo...@gmail.com a scris: Eddy, ca sa nu cumva sa ma trezesc ca mai reface vreunu si , punem de 2 ori un drum. Am patit azi-noapte in Ploiesti Prahova . Deja partea de nord vest e 90 % gata pana in strada principala , cu tot cu nume , cu nr de lane-uri, limita de viteza, tip de drum etc. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Vandalizare-Onesti-Bacau-tp5749344p5754553.html Sent from the Romania mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-ro mailing list Talk-ro@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro ___ Talk-ro mailing list Talk-ro@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro
Re: [Talk-ro] Vandalizare Onesti, Bacau
Eddy, tot ce fac eu este by-hand, dupa imaginile din satelit. Denumirile le iau de oriunde pot si vreau. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Vandalizare-Onesti-Bacau-tp5749344p5754561.html Sent from the Romania mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-ro mailing list Talk-ro@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro
Re: [Talk-ro] Vandalizare Onesti, Bacau
Dar nu are nimeni idee cam cine ar fi a vut creierul atat de ars incat sa faca asa ceva? On 24.03.2013 22:40, Gabriel Sebastian Moise wrote: Stiu, nu-mi fac problema de asta, dar imi place ca treaba sa fie facuta bine. Adineauri am refacut si sensul giratoriu de pe principala care, era ceva , ce nu fapt nu era nimic. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Vandalizare-Onesti-Bacau-tp5749344p5754560.html Sent from the Romania mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-ro mailing list Talk-ro@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro ___ Talk-ro mailing list Talk-ro@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro
Re: [Talk-ro] O modalitate mai proasta de a te inregistra la acest asazis forum nici ca se putea. Facuta CU PICIOARELE
Pai tocmai ca am scris asazis forum, pt ca arata ca un forum pagina de discutii... -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/O-modalitate-mai-proasta-de-a-te-inregistra-la-acest-asazis-forum-nici-ca-se-putea-Facuta-CU-PICIOARE-tp5754508p5754570.html Sent from the Romania mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-ro mailing list Talk-ro@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Lepelle, Motlatse, etc.
Hi I think the alt name should be the old name. If we do it the other way around we risk getting involved in politics. Having the old names as alt names would however be important. More names means it gives flexibility to have differently rendered maps. You could probably even go as far as having the old province borders imported as historical data, not that it would be of much use but might be interesting for historical purposes. Regards On 24 March 2013 10:22, David Schneider d.schnei...@tradermail.info wrote: Hi List! The OSM data still has the Olifants River, Blyde River, etc. listed under their old names. According to various sources, the official name changed in 2005 to Lepelle. http://www.krugerpark.co.za/krugerpark-times-2-15-olifants-river-lepelle-20557.html So did the names of a number of other places. Have these name changes never been adopted by the ZA public, and are therefore merely an act of the bureaucracy? I think, both names should be in our data. Either as name: Lepelle, old_name: Olifants River, or name: Olifants River, alt_name: Lepelle. What do you think? Best, David ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za -- Gerhardus Geldenhuis ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Lepelle, Motlatse, etc.
Before going too far into this, take a look at the name key http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Name on the OSM wiki. Also take a look at the on-the-ground rule http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes#On_the_Ground_Rule. OSM records what is - there's little scope for what was and will be. Basically name=* is what displays on most of the renderers etc. If most (local) people and (more importantly) road signs know it as the Blyde River then that's what should be set in the name=* tag. In such a case official_name=Motlatse River is useful. alt_name=* would probably apply if it were also called Blyde Canyon River. Of course if the local government's got lots of money for sign changes (and the people want out with the old) then go ahead and use name=Motlatse River; old_name=Blyde River. Language variations (name:xx=*) might be useful in cases where the official name is really just the same thing in a different language (which seems to be the case for Levuvhu vs Levubu, but I'm no language expert). In these cases it's still a good idea to use name/official_name/old_name etc. This naming stuff also applies to names of other things like places, parks, and streets. Include the suffix (River/Stream/Spruit etc) in the name if known. It's quite possible to have Blyde River tagged as waterway=stream (waterway=* is a physical/functional tag and would be relevant even if it was called Motlatse Street). Later Glen On 24-Mar-13 16:38, Gerhardus Geldenhuis wrote: Hi I think the alt name should be the old name. If we do it the other way around we risk getting involved in politics. Having the old names as alt names would however be important. More names means it gives flexibility to have differently rendered maps. You could probably even go as far as having the old province borders imported as historical data, not that it would be of much use but might be interesting for historical purposes. Regards On 24 March 2013 10:22, David Schneider d.schnei...@tradermail.info mailto:d.schnei...@tradermail.info wrote: Hi List! The OSM data still has the Olifants River, Blyde River, etc. listed under their old names. According to various sources, the official name changed in 2005 to Lepelle. http://www.krugerpark.co.za/krugerpark-times-2-15-olifants-river-lepelle-20557.html So did the names of a number of other places. Have these name changes never been adopted by the ZA public, and are therefore merely an act of the bureaucracy? I think, both names should be in our data. Either as name: Lepelle, old_name: Olifants River, or name: Olifants River, alt_name: Lepelle. What do you think? Best, David ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za -- Gerhardus Geldenhuis ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [Talk-cz] Konference GIS ve veřejné správě
Pro normální lidi ano - vstupné je 2500,- předpokládám, že ve vložném je i nějaké to občerstvení (jak tak na konferencích bývá) členové CAGI mají drobnou slevu, studenti za 600,- Jáchym Dne 22.3.2013 10:00, karpi.li...@email.cz napsal(a): ..no já jsem se do toho díval, letmo. ..a to Vložné 2500,- resp. 2900,- ...to znamená jako vstupné? -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com Datum: 27. 2. 2013 Předmět: [Talk-cz] Konference GIS ve veřejné správě Přátelé, rád bych vás pozval na šestý ročník konference, pořádané Českou asociací pro geoinformace (CAGI) [1] - GIS ve veřejné správě [2]. Datum a místo: 27. – 28. 5. 2013 Novotného lávka 5, Praha Na GIS Ostrava jsme se shodli, že v rámci CAGI vznikne nová pracovní skupina pro Open Source a Open (Geo)Data. Jedna sekce v rámci konference je věnována právě této problematice (problematikám). Očekávám tak bohatou aktivní účast. Většina z nás má nějaké vazby na veřejnou správu, znáte problémy, na které narážíme při návrhu obsahujícím Open Source software. Opakují se některé problémy systematicky? Můžeme je odstranit? Nebo stačí jen stále vyvracet některé mýty? CUZK v poslední době provádí kroky směřující k otevřeným datům. Bude zajímavé slyšet, jak daleko se dostali v novinkách představených na GIS Ostrava. Na jejich službách staví hodně Open Street Map. V CUZK si určitě rádi poslechnou názory a připomínky ke svým službám od jejich uživatelů. První cirkulář najdete na [3]. Přihlášky můžete posílat buď mě nebo se registrovat rovnou na givs2013-autor at cagi.cz Jáchym Čepický [1] http://cagi.cz [2] http://cagi.cz/akcevypis.php?id=519 [3] http://cagi.cz/files/GIVS2013-Cirkular-01_01021391738.pdf ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz -- Jachym Cepicky Help Service - Remote Sensing s.r.o. jachym.cepi...@gmail.com HS-RS: jac...@hsrs.cz http://bnhelp.cz http://les-ejk.cz signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Pont de Ponte-Novu détruit
Le 23 mars 2013 21:04, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a écrit : Les piétons ne peuvent même pas aller jusqu'au au bout du morceau de pont restant : une barrière de sécurité en limite l'accès. Ce qui est faux si on voit les photos. Il y a une première travée de chaque côté (sur une arche), cette travée n'est pas fermée mais interdite aux véhicules par des plots en béton. Au bout de cette travée il y a une barrière. Ensuite il y a le tro où il manque deux arches et où il reste un pilier. On ne voit pas la même chose sur les photos. Ou alors c'est qu'il y a eu une destruction très récente des travées qui restaient... ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Pont de Ponte-Novu détruit
Il faudrait tenir compte de ce que certains personnages de bandes dessinées peuvent marcher dans le vide tant qu'ils croient être sur le sol. Aussi je suggère : comics_access=true Le 24 mars 2013 09:31, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit : Le 23 mars 2013 21:04, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a écrit : Les piétons ne peuvent même pas aller jusqu'au au bout du morceau de pont restant : une barrière de sécurité en limite l'accès. Ce qui est faux si on voit les photos. Il y a une première travée de chaque côté (sur une arche), cette travée n'est pas fermée mais interdite aux véhicules par des plots en béton. Au bout de cette travée il y a une barrière. Ensuite il y a le tro où il manque deux arches et où il reste un pilier. On ne voit pas la même chose sur les photos. Ou alors c'est qu'il y a eu une destruction très récente des travées qui restaient... ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Les dérives de rue : Des textes à promenades http://drivrsdu.fr/des-textes-a-promenades/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Pont de Ponte-Novu détruit
Non, ce que je dis n'est pas faux : la barrière n'est pas en bout du morceau de pont ! Elle est en bout de la partie praticable, mais derrière, il reste encore 1 bon mètre, en plus mauvais état. Cf. cette autre photo de Google Street Viewhttps://maps.google.com/maps?q=ponte-novuhl=frll=42.485818,9.281731spn=0.006599,0.014312sll=49.184628,-0.372259sspn=0.093576,0.228996hnear=Ponte+Novu,+Castello-di-Rostino,+Haute-Corse,+Corse,+Francet=hlayer=ccbll=42.486226,9.281073panoid=RXbtP2lor7ddBZvFCM_IEwcbp=12,272.62,,0,10.87z=17, où le pont est plus de profil, et où on voit bien un morceau (légèrement en contrebas), après la barrière et le murets de sécurité. Francescu Le 24 mars 2013 09:31, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit : Le 23 mars 2013 21:04, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a écrit : Les piétons ne peuvent même pas aller jusqu'au au bout du morceau de pont restant : une barrière de sécurité en limite l'accès. Ce qui est faux si on voit les photos. Il y a une première travée de chaque côté (sur une arche), cette travée n'est pas fermée mais interdite aux véhicules par des plots en béton. Au bout de cette travée il y a une barrière. Ensuite il y a le tro où il manque deux arches et où il reste un pilier. On ne voit pas la même chose sur les photos. Ou alors c'est qu'il y a eu une destruction très récente des travées qui restaient... -- Cordialement, Francescu GAROBY ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Version française du projet LearnOSM ?
2013/3/23 Yohan Boniface yohanbonif...@free.fr: J'ai aussi commencé un wiki avec les conventions de la traduction française, histoire d'avoir une traduction cohérente: https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm/wiki/FrenchTranslation . N'hésitez pas à éditer/compléter/corriger. In order to keep all the translations persistent, here are some translations of common OSM specific words. Feel free to suggest others words or better translations. email = mail happy mapping = ? mailing list = liste diffusion mapper = mappeur Il y a des termes qu'on n'aime pas forcément mais qu'on devrait se forcer à utiliser dans une traduction officielle: email = courriel happy mapping = bonne cartographie ? mailing list = liste de diffusion mapper = cartographe (mappeur me fait peur ;) Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu des terrains de sport
Bonjour, Je me suis un peu renseigné à propos d'un terrain de foot juste à coté de chez moi et dont j'avais parlé à cause d'un rendu mal foutu pour le rendu fr : http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=19lat=45.4207lon=4.4232layers=B0 Il apparaît que, s'il se joue bien des petites compétitions amateurs sur ce terrain, ses dimensions sont complètement folkloriques, et notamment il est beaucoup trop petit. Il parait que la fédération française de foot homologue les terrains selon les niveaux de compétition ; malheureusement ces infos sont introuvables sur leur site (enfin... je ne les ai pas trouvées)... À quand le mouvement open data dans le sport ? Donc, si ce terrain mérite bien le terme de terrain de football (il s'y joue au moins 30 compétitions par week-end ! ), il est vain de vouloir y copier/coller un svg standard de terrain de football. Pour ce genre de cas un logo serait je pense plus adapté. Je ne sais pas comment tout cela pourrait se traduire en tags ? Le 22 mars 2013 19:40, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit : Un gris (neutre vu que ce n'est pas une surface naturelle comme l'herbe ou la terre battue) peut-être un peu bleuté pour faire encore plus artificiel (les nouvelles surfaces complètement artificielles de compétition intérieures sont carrément d'un bleu bien prononcé pour mieux passer à la TV, mais je n'irais pas jusque là pour les surfaces exérieures, là ce serait braiment trop flashy). Le 22 mars 2013 16:44, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit : Le 22 mars 2013 14:37, Otourly Wiki otou...@yahoo.fr a écrit : Le tag surface pourrait-être pris en compte pour les stades de foot en gore ? Ouaille note. J'ai modifié la couleur pour surface=grass (y compris pour les tennis c'était trop flashy) Par contre, pour l'artificiel, je ne vois pas trop quoi mettre. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Les dérives de rue : Des textes à promenades http://drivrsdu.fr/des-textes-a-promenades/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu des terrains de sport
Petite aberration de rendu : http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=16lat=45.31181lon=5.87866layers=B0(terrain de tennis géant uniquement au zoom 16) 2013/3/24 Ista Pouss ista...@gmail.com Bonjour, Je me suis un peu renseigné à propos d'un terrain de foot juste à coté de chez moi et dont j'avais parlé à cause d'un rendu mal foutu pour le rendu fr : http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=19lat=45.4207lon=4.4232layers=B0 Il apparaît que, s'il se joue bien des petites compétitions amateurs sur ce terrain, ses dimensions sont complètement folkloriques, et notamment il est beaucoup trop petit. Il parait que la fédération française de foot homologue les terrains selon les niveaux de compétition ; malheureusement ces infos sont introuvables sur leur site (enfin... je ne les ai pas trouvées)... À quand le mouvement open data dans le sport ? Donc, si ce terrain mérite bien le terme de terrain de football (il s'y joue au moins 30 compétitions par week-end ! ), il est vain de vouloir y copier/coller un svg standard de terrain de football. Pour ce genre de cas un logo serait je pense plus adapté. Je ne sais pas comment tout cela pourrait se traduire en tags ? Le 22 mars 2013 19:40, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit : Un gris (neutre vu que ce n'est pas une surface naturelle comme l'herbe ou la terre battue) peut-être un peu bleuté pour faire encore plus artificiel (les nouvelles surfaces complètement artificielles de compétition intérieures sont carrément d'un bleu bien prononcé pour mieux passer à la TV, mais je n'irais pas jusque là pour les surfaces exérieures, là ce serait braiment trop flashy). Le 22 mars 2013 16:44, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit : Le 22 mars 2013 14:37, Otourly Wiki otou...@yahoo.fr a écrit : Le tag surface pourrait-être pris en compte pour les stades de foot en gore ? Ouaille note. J'ai modifié la couleur pour surface=grass (y compris pour les tennis c'était trop flashy) Par contre, pour l'artificiel, je ne vois pas trop quoi mettre. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Les dérives de rue : Des textes à promenades http://drivrsdu.fr/des-textes-a-promenades/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Demande d'assistance cartographique sur le Cyclone Haruna à Madagascar
Bonjour Cédric, Merci pour ce retour. Le Bureau national de gestion des risques et des catastrophes, des ONG et des habitants de Toliara nous ont félicité pour ce travail. S'il était possible d'avoir des contacts directement à l'intérieur du Bureau national de gestion des risques et des catastrophes, ça serait très intéressant pour OSM en général et pour la gestion des crises en particulier: savoir où est une commune, un district... Pour préciser, on trouve sur le site de l'OCHA les limites de toutes les communes de Madagascar. Pour des questions de licence, on ne peut pas intégrer les données de l'OCHA dans OSM. Sauf que les données en question viennent des services ministériels de Madagascar. Les tentatives précédentes de contact n'ont pas été fructueuses. Tout nouveau contact, serait le bienvenue. Plus globalement, dans le cadre d'interventions d'urgence, il est nécessaire de : - donner une méthodologie simple aux acteurs de l'urgence pour compléter les cartes que nous élaborons sans que leur mission de secours en soit perturbée, - intégrer dans les simulations d'intervention d'urgence et dans la préparation des projets , la nécessaire collaboration avec les contributeurs de la cartographie humanitaire C'est sûr que la préparation aux réponses d'urgence est un domaine intéressant à développer, en particulier pour minimiser le travail et l'improvisation de ceux qui sont sur le terrain. Dans le genre de détail tout bête, j'ai découvert que pas mal de sinistrés étaient relogés dans les écoles. Ça fait une petite motivation supplémentaire pour la petite fourmis escaladant le flanc de la grande montagne pour cartographier les établissements scolaire. Mais s'il y avait une liste plus importante de détails utiles en intervention d'urgence, ça pourrait être intégré dans la page wiki sur Madagascar. Toujours dans une perspective de préparation, j'ai demandé à Bing de fournir des vues satellites détaillées de toutes les villes de Madagascar non encore couvertes : Mahajanga, Maintirano, Morombe (qui a bien souffert), Nosy Sainte Marie et Nosy Be. C'est dans la liste desire to acquire. - et Eric pour son travail de répérage des POI et de rectification de notre cartographie sur cette région. Certes, j'ai repassé en revue toutes mes données sur Tuléar... mais j'ai fini il y a seulement trois jours. Éric ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu des terrains de sport
Dans les faits la fédé n'impose des dimensions aux terrains qu'à partir d'un cetain niveau de compétition. En ligue 1 les dimensions demandées sont supérieures, et pour obtenir un agréement dans une compétition internationale, c'est encore plus. Il y a aussi des exigences au niveau des places de tribunes. Mais pour le foot amateur, chaque collectivité ou club se débrouille avec ses moyens. Il n'y a pas de dimension standard, juste des longueurs/largeurs minimales et maximales, la règle du jeu imposant une ligne centrale, une taille pour le ond central de mise en jeu, et des lignes de but et de pénalité mesurées depuis le centre des buts. L'écartement des buts n'est lui non plus pas standard (là aussi un minimum et un maximum, les terrains amateurs ayant souvent des buts plus petits (parfois très réduits pour la pratique du football par des enfants: selon les catégories, cadets et minimes par exemple, ce ne sont pas les mêmes compétitions avec les mêmes contraintes demandées aux clubs). Et malgré cela, s'il y a accord entre les équipes devant entrer en compétition, et si cela ne nuit pas à l'équité des championnats auxquels ils participent, ce qui nécessaite l'accord aussi de la fédé organisatrice de la compétition) les dimensions de terrains peuvent passer outre les règles standards (par exemple si le terrain habituel d'une équipe est temporairement inutilisable, inondé par exemple, il peut y avoir accord pour jouer sur un autre terrain plus petit, même si la capacité d'accueil du public est plus réduite, l'important étant que pour l'équité de la compétition, le match puisse bien avoir lieu. Bref pour le rendu des terrains de foot, je suggère plus de flexibilité et ne PAS appliquer une dimension unique du SVG plaqué dessus, mais plutôt d'utiliser les mesures effectivement indiquées dans la base pour l'aire de jeu. En aucun cas, ce rendu de SVG ne doit déborder de la surface indiquée dans la base. Si ça ne tient pas, dans les dimensions mesurées, il FAUT réduire la taille de ce SVG pour qu'il tienne dedans ! (contre certaines anomalies je suggère que cette réduction de taille ne passe pas en dessous de 50%, sinon ne plus afficher ce SVG et plaquer juste une mini-icône de ballon de foot au centroïde calculé (et éventuellement sortir un log des dimensions insuffisantes, suspectes, qui peuvent indiquer un problème de géométrie de polygones, ou le fait que ce n'est plus un terrain de foot mais qu'il est partiellement occupé par autre chose, un bâtiment par exemple, ou une route). Je ne sais pas pas si le rendu peut émettre ces anomalies détectées vers Osmose, mais il peut sans doûte les émettre vers MapDust pour que ce soit vérifié. Le 24 mars 2013 12:07, Ista Pouss ista...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonjour, Je me suis un peu renseigné à propos d'un terrain de foot juste à coté de chez moi et dont j'avais parlé à cause d'un rendu mal foutu pour le rendu fr : http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=19lat=45.4207lon=4.4232layers=B0 Il apparaît que, s'il se joue bien des petites compétitions amateurs sur ce terrain, ses dimensions sont complètement folkloriques, et notamment il est beaucoup trop petit. Il parait que la fédération française de foot homologue les terrains selon les niveaux de compétition ; malheureusement ces infos sont introuvables sur leur site (enfin... je ne les ai pas trouvées)... À quand le mouvement open data dans le sport ? Donc, si ce terrain mérite bien le terme de terrain de football (il s'y joue au moins 30 compétitions par week-end ! ), il est vain de vouloir y copier/coller un svg standard de terrain de football. Pour ce genre de cas un logo serait je pense plus adapté. Je ne sais pas comment tout cela pourrait se traduire en tags ? Le 22 mars 2013 19:40, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit : Un gris (neutre vu que ce n'est pas une surface naturelle comme l'herbe ou la terre battue) peut-être un peu bleuté pour faire encore plus artificiel (les nouvelles surfaces complètement artificielles de compétition intérieures sont carrément d'un bleu bien prononcé pour mieux passer à la TV, mais je n'irais pas jusque là pour les surfaces exérieures, là ce serait braiment trop flashy). Le 22 mars 2013 16:44, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit : Le 22 mars 2013 14:37, Otourly Wiki otou...@yahoo.fr a écrit : Le tag surface pourrait-être pris en compte pour les stades de foot en gore ? Ouaille note. J'ai modifié la couleur pour surface=grass (y compris pour les tennis c'était trop flashy) Par contre, pour l'artificiel, je ne vois pas trop quoi mettre. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Les dérives de rue : Des textes à promenades ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu des terrains de sport
Note: le rendu du terrain de foot peut très facilement calculer le rectangle le mieux adapté contenant le terrain : Déjà il peut obtenir au moins une diagonale en cherchant le couple de noeuds les plus distants (méfiance toutefois : certains terrains peuvent apparaître ovales en prenant la forme du stade qui l'entoure, les diagonales du terrains pourraint ne pas être les longueurs les plus longues, la plus longue étant alors l'axe longitudinal, passant par le centre des buts et le centre du terrain et joignant le point médian de chaque arc de cercle). Ensuite il peut chercher la seconde diagonale en cherchant une autre paire de points faisant un angle supérieur à 30 degrés avec la première diagonale (le sinus de l'angle est supérieur à 1/2, autrement dit la distance d'une extrémité de diagonale à la droite de l'autre diagonale doit être supérieure à la moitié de la longueur de cette seconde diagonale). Cette seconde diagonale devrait avoir à peu près la même mesure que la première diagonale (-/- quelques pourcents) : cela élimine le cas des terrains de forme ovoïde dont il n'est pas évident de trouver les dimensions du terrain de foot placé au milieu, qui n'est souvent alors pas qu'un terrain de foot mais un terrain pour l'athlé aussi ou d'autres sports (raison de plus pour ne pas tenter de dessiner un terrain de foot : sinon on peut tracer au milieu du stade un rectangle pour le terrain de foot) . Avec cette seconde diagonale (plus courte, très rarement exactement de même longueur que la première, mais assez proche toute de même), on réduit de façon équitable la première diagonale à chaque extrémité pour qu'elle ait la même mesure. On obtient alors un rectangle parfait permettant de calculer les dimensions réelles du SVG à positionner, proportionner, et orienter. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Pont de Ponte-Novu détruit
Il y a beaucoup plus qu'1 mètre, tu as de mauvais yeux ! Déjà la première travée est complète, seule la seconde est en partie barrée pour ne pas s'approcher trop près du second pillier (qui est certainement alors instable), ce qui ampute environ un mètre (il y a d'autres photos montrant que la partie fermée par la barrière est assez réduite et ne dépasse pas un mètre, Google Street View en référence quelques unes sur Panoromio, qui montrent d'autres angles) mais cette barrière métallique laisse de l'ordre de 4 mètres accessibles sur la seconde travée jusqu'à la barrière. Cela en fait donc encore un pont sur les 2 premières travées même si la seconde est en partie barrée. Et l'état n'est pas si mauvais que ça, je dirais même qu'il est excellent et visiblement bien entretenu (sauf bien entendu au delà de la barrière qui coupe le dernier J'estime à vu de nez que la longueur accessible sur la moitié sud atteint un total d'environ 10-12 mètres (sur la première travée, partie la plus large) plus 4 mètres sur la seconde travée (moins large). On a à peu près la même longueur accessible sur l'autre moitié nord restante du pont. On a à peu près la même chose de l'autre côté. Mais étant donné la forme générale de cette structure restante, il s'agit bien d'un pont (en fait 2 ponts distincts) car il y a bien des arches suspendues (et en bon état). Même si ces ponts sont sans issue (noexit=yes), et accessibles uniquement aux piétons et vélos). Bref je mettrais bien deux ponts, tous les deux en noexit=yes, tous les deux inaccessibles aux véhicules (motorized_vehicule=no). J'ajouterais sur le noeud à l'entrée un tag barrier pour les plots en bétons, et une autre barrière fermant la fin de la seconde travée. Entre les deux ponts il reste ensuite à placer un noeud ou polygone pour la construction encore debout du pilier au pied de la rivière qui ne soutient plus aucune arche, et là je mettrais le tag indiquant que c'est une ruine, et le tag eindiquant sa valeur historique. Le tout peut porter le nom Ancien pont de Ponto-Novu. Le 24 mars 2013 10:29, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a écrit : Non, ce que je dis n'est pas faux : la barrière n'est pas en bout du morceau de pont ! Elle est en bout de la partie praticable, mais derrière, il reste encore 1 bon mètre, en plus mauvais état. Cf. cette autre photo de Google Street View, où le pont est plus de profil, et où on voit bien un morceau (légèrement en contrebas), après la barrière et le murets de sécurité. Francescu Le 24 mars 2013 09:31, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit : Le 23 mars 2013 21:04, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a écrit : Les piétons ne peuvent même pas aller jusqu'au au bout du morceau de pont restant : une barrière de sécurité en limite l'accès. Ce qui est faux si on voit les photos. Il y a une première travée de chaque côté (sur une arche), cette travée n'est pas fermée mais interdite aux véhicules par des plots en béton. Au bout de cette travée il y a une barrière. Ensuite il y a le tro où il manque deux arches et où il reste un pilier. On ne voit pas la même chose sur les photos. Ou alors c'est qu'il y a eu une destruction très récente des travées qui restaient... -- Cordialement, Francescu GAROBY ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Pont de Ponte-Novu détruit
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:09:54 +0100 Ista Pouss ista...@gmail.com wrote: comics_access=true +1 -- Frédéric Falsetti http://clansco.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Pont de Ponte-Novu détruit
Le 24/03/2013 10:09, Ista Pouss a écrit : Il faudrait tenir compte de ce que certains personnages de bandes dessinées peuvent marcher dans le vide tant qu'ils croient être sur le sol. Aussi je suggère : comics_access=true \o/ -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu des terrains de sport
Pour info, voilà la requête utilisée pour le rendu des terrains de sport*: select *, abs(a12-a23) as angle_diff, (a12+a23+90)/2 as angle from (select way, sport, surface, access, way_area, st_npoints(way2) as nb, osm_id, ST_Distance(st_pointn(way2,1),st_pointn(way2,2)) as d12, ST_Distance(st_pointn(way2,3),st_pointn(way2,2)) as d23,ST_Distance(st_pointn(way2,1),st_pointn(way2,3)) as d13, degrees(st_azimuth(st_pointn(way2,1),st_pointn(way2,2))) as a12, degrees(st_azimuth(st_pointn(way2,2),st_pointn(way2,3))) as a23 from (select *, ST_ExteriorRing(ST_SimplifyPreserveTopology(way,100)) as way2 from planet_osm_polygon where sport in ('tennis','soccer','basketball','rugby','rugby_union','rugby_league','american_football') AND way !bbox!) as simplified) as simplified2 Que fait-elle ? 1) elle cherche bien sûr les polygones avec les tags sports qui sont pris en compte 2) elle calcule un polygone simplifié au maximum ce qui transforme les patatoïdes en rectangle (ST_SimplifyPreverseTopology + ST_ExteriorRing) 3) elle calcule les longueurs des segments 1-2 2-3 et la diagonale 1-3 (st_distance/st_pointn), ainsi que les orientations des segments 1-2 et 2-3. 4) elle sort le polygone d'origine + la différence d'orientation des 2 premiers segments + l'orientation moyenne + les longueurs et la surface du terrain Ensuite côté feuille de style, des contrôles sont faits pour n'appliquer un SVG que dans certaines limites de dimensions et d'angles, et pour ce qui est des terrains de foot de dimension variable pour adapter le SVG aux dimensions en terrain (3 tailles prises en compte). Bien sûr, c'est un rendu approximatif, qui n'a qu'une vocation d'information, c'est à dire que voir un tracé reconnaissable correspond à un terrain de foot ou de tennis apporte une info graphique sur le type de terrain, pas sur la position exacte des marques. Si les dimensions ou la forme ne permettent pas de caler le SVG, le SVG n'est pas rendu. Bien sûr, les terrains rectangulaires (touche Q dans JOSM) donnent les meilleurs résultats, mais ça marche quand même pas mal pour des cas comme: http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=18lat=48.78543lon=2.36074 http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=18lat=48.85609lon=2.4128 http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=18lat=48.88662lon=2.44061 * rappel, tout est sur github: https://github.com/cquest/osmfr-cartocss -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France Synthèse du Week-end SOTM-FR à Lyon : http://openstreetmap.fr/synthese-sotmfr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Carto-partie pendant la Semaine digitale à Bordeaux
Bonsoir, Bordeaux va ouvrir demain 25 mars sa 3e semaine digitale. Le projet OpenStreetMap et l'Abul y tiendront un rôle puisque nous allons animer une après-midi de cartographie, samedi 30. Pour plus d'informations, voir : http://www.abul.org/La-3e-Semaine-digitale-a-Bordeaux.html Également, tous les soirs au Village de l'innovation, à partir de mardi 26 à 17 heures, présentation du projet OpenStreetMap et des outils qui l'accompagnent. À bientôt, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] De l'utilité des riverbank pour les streams ou drain ou ditch
Bonsoir, Je suis en train de travailler sur la simplification des nombreux riverbank de mon marais poitevin. Qu'est ce que vous en pensez de l'utilité de garder l'emprise des voies d'eau en riverbank pour ce qui correspond a des petits canaux et fossés de type stream, drain ou ditch? Peut être que si vous êtes d'accord avec moi que de le garder uniquement pour les river et canal on pourrait éventuellement faire une analyse osmose pour proposer de supprimer les riverbank sur les stream, drain ou ditch? qui serait complémentaire a Riverbank sans river? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/De-l-utilite-des-riverbank-pour-les-streams-ou-drain-ou-ditch-tp5754543.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] De l'utilité des riverbank pour les streams ou drain ou ditch
Bonsoir, Le 24/03/2013 21:00, PierreV a écrit : Qu'est ce que vous en pensez de l'utilité de garder l'emprise des voies d'eau en riverbank pour ce qui correspond a des petits canaux et fossés de type stream, drain ou ditch? Peut être que si vous êtes d'accord avec moi que de le garder uniquement pour les river et canal on pourrait éventuellement faire une analyse osmose pour proposer de supprimer les riverbank sur les stream, drain ou ditch? qui serait complémentaire a Riverbank sans river? +1 J'en ai ma claque de voir des foultitudes de riverbank autour de rien. Pour l'instant je ne supprime pas parce qu'il y a un gros boulot à faire en reconstituant le waterway et que je n'ai pas le temps. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] De l'utilité des riverbank pour les streams ou drain ou ditch
En tout cas je ne veut pas que l'on supprimer a la volée les riverbank sans waterway... ils sont par chez moi très utiles... mais propose de les supprimer seulement après que les petits cours d'eau sont en waterway de supprimer les riverbank. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/De-l-utilite-des-riverbank-pour-les-streams-ou-drain-ou-ditch-tp5754543p5754548.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] De l'utilité des riverbank pour les streams ou drain ou ditch
Le 24/03/2013 21:00, PierreV a écrit : Bonsoir, Je suis en train de travailler sur la simplification des nombreux riverbank de mon marais poitevin. Qu'est ce que vous en pensez de l'utilité de garder l'emprise des voies d'eau en riverbank pour ce qui correspond a des petits canaux et fossés de type stream, drain ou ditch? Peut être que si vous êtes d'accord avec moi que de le garder uniquement pour les river et canal on pourrait éventuellement faire une analyse osmose pour proposer de supprimer les riverbank sur les stream, drain ou ditch? qui serait complémentaire a Riverbank sans river? Le principe d'Osmose n'est pas de diriger le mapping vers une façon de faire, mais de l'accompagner. Je reconnais que le cadastre est fantaisiste la dessus, mais il n'a pas de notion de filaire. Frédéric. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] De l'utilité des riverbank pour les streams ou drain ou ditch
Pareil de mon coté... C'est un gros boulot de retouche. J'ai l'impression que c'est une importation du cadastre et parfois les fossé n'existe plus. Surtout on n'a aucune information sur le sens d'écoulement. J'ai tenté plusieurs fois de scinder les waterbank pour en conserver une partie que je convertissait en stream, drain ou ditch mais dès qu'il y a de nombreux bras ça demande beaucoup de concentration et d'agilité cérébrale pour ne pas perdre de donnée par erreur. Pour l'instant avec JOSM j'utilise le greffon FastDraw dans un nouveau calque où je décalque approximativement le centre des waterbank. Après vérification, je fusionne les calque et supprime les waterbank concerné. Lors de l'utilisation du greffon FastDraw, le touche « Q » permet de régler la simplification du traçage. C'est pour l'instant la méthode la plus simple que j'ai trouvé. Le 24 mars 2013 21:17, Jean-Francois Nifenecker jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net a écrit : Bonsoir, Le 24/03/2013 21:00, PierreV a écrit : Qu'est ce que vous en pensez de l'utilité de garder l'emprise des voies d'eau en riverbank pour ce qui correspond a des petits canaux et fossés de type stream, drain ou ditch? Peut être que si vous êtes d'accord avec moi que de le garder uniquement pour les river et canal on pourrait éventuellement faire une analyse osmose pour proposer de supprimer les riverbank sur les stream, drain ou ditch? qui serait complémentaire a Riverbank sans river? +1 J'en ai ma claque de voir des foultitudes de riverbank autour de rien. Pour l'instant je ne supprime pas parce qu'il y a un gros boulot à faire en reconstituant le waterway et que je n'ai pas le temps. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux __**_ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-frhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Chute de Bangui : participation à la création de données pour la réponse humanitaire
Bonjour, En réponse à cette crise politique qui risque fort de devenir une crise humanitaire, HOT relance le processus de cartographie et de consolidation des données sur la Centrafrique. Voici un extrait de la page wikihttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:WikiProject_Central_African_Republic que je viens de mettre à jour: *A partir de la mi-octobre 2012, HOThttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HOT a mené un projet de cartographie en République Centrafricaine dans le cadre du projet EUROSHA http://hot.openstreetmap.org/projects/eurosha_0 avec France Volontaires. L'objectif initial est la cartographie de base de Bangui et les régions où les besoins sont les plus cruciaux. Toutes ces activités ont pour but de soutenir la croissance d'un groupe local OSM en Centrafrique et la croissance du projet OSM.* *En décembre 2012, suite à l'avancée des rebelles depuis le Nord du pays, le projet EUROSHA sur place a été suspendu et HOThttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HOT a décidé d’activer la communauté OSM afin de cartographier des Aires d'Intérêt identifiés par les acteurs humanitaires en RCA (voir Activités actuelles) à l'aide de plusieurs tâches du Tasking Manager (voir plus bas). Les zones habitées des localités considérées comme de haute importance ont été cartographiées entre 80 et 100%, à l'exception de Bambari (20%), seulement couverte par une imagerie Orbview3.* Pour ceux intéressés, il est donc possible de participer à la cartographie des principales localités du pays, de son réseau routier ou de faire progresser la qualité des données OSM qui seront utilisées par les acteurs humanitaires. Bien cordialement, Severin MENARD membre de HOT et de OSM France ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] De l'utilité des riverbank pour les streams ou drain ou ditch
Frédéric Rodrigo-2 wrote Le principe d'Osmose n'est pas de diriger le mapping vers une façon de faire, mais de l'accompagner. Je reconnais que le cadastre est fantaisiste la dessus, mais il n'a pas de notion de filaire. Frédéric. Concrètement qu'est ce que tu veut dire par rapport a ce que je propose? Actuellement il y a une analyse qui propose qu'il faut mapper en filaire lorsqu'il y a du surfacique Je propose qu'il soit crée une analyse complémentaire qui propose de supprimer du surfacique lorsque le fillaire est identifié comme petite voie d'eau... Alors soit y'a les deux (si mon idée est acceptée par tout le monde) soit aucune des deux doivent être présentes sur osmose? En tout cas c'est la deuxième solution que je comprend si je suis bien ta réponse? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/De-l-utilite-des-riverbank-pour-les-streams-ou-drain-ou-ditch-tp5754543p5754556.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] De l'utilité des riverbank pour les streams ou drain ou ditch
Le 24/03/2013 21:38, PierreV a écrit : Frédéric Rodrigo-2 wrote Le principe d'Osmose n'est pas de diriger le mapping vers une façon de faire, mais de l'accompagner. Je reconnais que le cadastre est fantaisiste la dessus, mais il n'a pas de notion de filaire. Frédéric. Concrètement qu'est ce que tu veut dire par rapport a ce que je propose? Actuellement il y a une analyse qui propose qu'il faut mapper en filaire lorsqu'il y a du surfacique Il faut toujours du filaire, non pas à la place mais en premier lieu. Je propose qu'il soit crée une analyse complémentaire qui propose de supprimer du surfacique lorsque le fillaire est identifié comme petite voie d'eau... Avoir du surfacique n'est pas en soit un problème. Le problème c'est la qualité du surfacique du cadastre. Alors soit y'a les deux (si mon idée est acceptée par tout le monde) soit aucune des deux doivent être présentes sur osmose? En tout cas c'est la deuxième solution que je comprend si je suis bien ta réponse? Et non, il n'y aura pas d'analyse Osmose pour proposer de supprimer de la données. Frédéric. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] De l'utilité des riverbank pour les streams ou drain ou ditch
sur les streams c'est discutable, certains ont des lits très larges même si la plupart du temps leurs cours est assez réduit et qu'on les considère comme des ruisseaux. D'autre part des rivières sont nommées ruisseau alors qu'il méritnet largement d'avoir des lits assez larges. L'analyse debrait donc se faire sur la largeur moyenne mesurée autour du cours d'eau central. Le 24 mars 2013 21:25, PierreV belett...@hotmail.fr a écrit : En tout cas je ne veut pas que l'on supprimer a la volée les riverbank sans waterway... ils sont par chez moi très utiles... mais propose de les supprimer seulement après que les petits cours d'eau sont en waterway de supprimer les riverbank. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] De l'utilité des riverbank pour les streams ou drain ou ditch
Le 24/03/2013 21:00, PierreV a écrit : Bonsoir, Je suis en train de travailler sur la simplification des nombreux riverbank de mon marais poitevin. Qu'est ce que vous en pensez de l'utilité de garder l'emprise des voies d'eau en riverbank pour ce qui correspond a des petits canaux et fossés de type stream, drain ou ditch? Peut être que si vous êtes d'accord avec moi que de le garder uniquement pour les river et canal on pourrait éventuellement faire une analyse osmose pour proposer de supprimer les riverbank sur les stream, drain ou ditch? qui serait complémentaire a Riverbank sans river? En dessous de 5 m de large, le riverbank est superfétatoire car illusoire en terme de maintenabilité. mes 0,02€ Denis ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] De l'utilité des riverbank pour les streams ou drain ou ditch
Le 24 mars 2013 21:00, PierreV belett...@hotmail.fr a écrit : Qu'est ce que vous en pensez de l'utilité de garder l'emprise des voies d'eau en riverbank pour ce qui correspond a des petits canaux et fossés de type stream, drain ou ditch? En revanche OK pour les drain et ditch ce sont des fossés artificiels, leur tracé est normalement très peu large, souvent très régulier sans méandres, leur origine étant humaine et non naturelle. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu des terrains de sport
Le 24 mars 2013 17:09, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit : where sport in ('tennis','soccer','basketball','rugby','rugby_union','rugby_league','american_football') AND way !bbox!) as simplified) as simplified2 Est-ce que pour les stades patatoïdes, cela ne vaudrait pas le coup de tracer effectivement la zone rectangulaire de jeu, seule celle-ci indiquant le type de sport pratiqué (football:soccer, football américain: american_footlbal, tennis, rugby:rugby_union/rugby_league, handball, basketball) sans indiquer le/les sports au niveau du stade lui-même (qui est souvent multisport) ? Autre problème: il y a souvent des demi-terrains de basketball (avec un seul panneau de but, destiné à l'entrainement, mais qui fait aussi l'objet de règles de jeu spécifiques avec des équipes réduites). Ils sont courants en milieu urbain. Au fait il ne semble y avoir aucun traitement pour le volleyball. Ni non plus su le stade est marqué pour l'athlétisme et dispose d'une piste circulaire autour du terrain (cela inclut pratiquement tous les grands stades, surtout ceux avec des tribunes, même s'ils sont utilisés toute l'année pour le football mais pas tous les jours). De plus les stades à tribune couverte pourraient avoir une surface de jeu partiellement couverte, même si pour le football la partie centrale du jeu (et souvent aussi la piste d'athlétisme autour) ne l'est pas (ce qui permet de tracer effectivement le terrain : là un rectangle unique suffit (qu'on force en rectangle avec la touche Q dans JOSM), et ça évite de tout taguer pour le football uniquement, en laissant les détails autour apparaître sans être surchargé par le tracé du foot.. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] De l'utilité des riverbank pour les streams ou drain ou ditch
verdy_p wrote En revanche OK pour les drain et ditch ce sont des fossés artificiels, leur tracé est normalement très peu large, souvent très régulier sans méandres, leur origine étant humaine et non naturelle. !je ne serais pas aussi catégorique: il existe quand même des fossés naturels... qui par leur taille ne peuvent etre tagué en stream... -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/De-l-utilite-des-riverbank-pour-les-streams-ou-drain-ou-ditch-tp5754543p5754577.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] De l'utilité des riverbank pour les streams ou drain ou ditch
Le 24 mars 2013 22:22, PierreV belett...@hotmail.fr a écrit : verdy_p wrote En revanche OK pour les drain et ditch ce sont des fossés artificiels, leur tracé est normalement très peu large, souvent très régulier sans méandres, leur origine étant humaine et non naturelle. !je ne serais pas aussi catégorique: il existe quand même des fossés naturels... qui par leur taille ne peuvent etre tagué en stream... J'ai précisé les drain et ditch, et cela ne s'applique pas aux fossés naturels. J'avais aussi précisé fossés artificiels (entre drain et ditch l'écart sémantique est très faible, pour ne pas dire impossible à distinguer assez souvent). D'autre part parmi les canaux : - les rigoles d'irrigation ou d'adjonction d'eau vers un moulin ou un lavoir ne sont ni des drain ni des ditch, mais bien des canaux, même s'ils ne sont pas navigables. - même chose pour les aqueducs (enterrés dans une buse ou dans un tunnel, couverts, ou à ciel ouvert). Certains sont assez larges pour mériter un rendu de leur surface, d'autres non. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] cadastre.openstreetmap.fr HS
On 04/03/2013 21:46, Jocelyn Jaubert wrote: Je viens de redémarrer le serveur, parce que je n'arrivais plus à y accéder par ssh. Ça a l'air de remarcher correctement maintenant. Il semble être de nouveau en panne. Jean-Claude ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-ja] GPSログをOSMに簡単アップロードできるiPhoneアプリありますか?
はじめまして。最近OSM入力しはじめたばかりの 十河と申します。 iPhoneアプリのPushpinが初心者でも簡単に入力できてとても気に入っています。 同じようにGPSトレースログも簡単にOSMにアップロードできればと思うのですが、スタートボタン-移動-ストップ-アップロードという感じで簡単にトレースログをアップロードできるような、よいアプリはありますでしょうか? どうぞよろしくおねがいいたします。 ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
[Talk-GB] Windermere and Rydal Water - missing
Any reason why these seem to have disappeared or is it just an incorrect edit? If it's just a mistake I'll add Rydal Water back later, whether I have the time to do Windermere is another matter though unfortunately... Thanks, Nick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Windermere and Rydal Water - missing
What do you think is wrong with them? They're visible in mapnik, most ways haven't been edited since January. There does appear to be a bit of pointless overuse of multipolygons to represent riverbanks, but nothing that makes them 'missing'. Dave F. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Windermere and Rydal Water - missing
1. Didn't appear on Freemap when I updated the data earlier today (first update since the 64-bit ID issue in Feb) 2. Went onto Potlatch and the natural=water polygon seemed to be missing in both cases. Other lakes in the Lake District all ok. -Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: - From: Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com Date: 24/03/2013 11:11AM Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Windermere and Rydal Water - missing What do you think is wrong with them? They're visible in mapnik, most ways haven't been edited since January. There does appear to be a bit of pointless overuse of multipolygons to represent riverbanks, but nothing that makes them 'missing'. Dave F. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb