Re: [Talk-hr] Party render

2009-12-18 Thread Matija Nalis
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:18:58AM +, Valent Turkovic wrote: Downloading map: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/bbox/? W=18.675668S=45.528375E=18.739928N=45.573375width=600height=600 Traceback (most recent call last): File video.py, line 545, in module

Re: [Talk-hr] i-gotU GT200 GPS na Fedori

2009-12-18 Thread Tomislav Parčina
Valent Turkovic kaže: Svoj guide za fedoru sam radio prema ubuntu vodicu koji sam linkao u blog postu. U blogu imaš dva linka, jedan do uređaja a drugi do igotu projekta. Da li ja nešto ne vidim ili si ti pogriješio? -- Tomislav Parčina ime.prez...@gmail.com

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 4:29 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: While it's a noble pursuit to help a specific demographic I think it's important not to exclude others in the process, most areas I've lived in in the last 12 months have no NearMap coverage, there is some coverage

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-18 Thread Liz
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: That's Liz's dept, B*gg* I've lost the thread of this argument what am i supposed to be doing next? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-18 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Friday 18 Dec 2009 1:54:54 pm Liz wrote: On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: That's Liz's dept, B*gg* I've lost the thread of this argument what am i supposed to be doing next? slang goog - they are now saying that python sucks -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 4:29 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: While it's a noble pursuit to help a specific demographic I think it's important not to exclude others in the process, most areas I've lived in in the last 12 months

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-18 Thread Peter Körner
there is no structure left behind for burning men. as soon as all is removed map should show current status again. keeping it in the database is ok but the tags need to reflect that there is nothing left on ground *I think* it should be deleted in one changeset. Next year they could

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: *but* i think this is nothing that we should do -- instead we should go in conversation with the original author. Flickr guys wished for 4D tagging, for things like photos taken at burning man so you can geo-position them on the relevent map data

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: should be deleted then. Burning man follows a no trace policy. I don't see why that should be relevant to us. China follows a no mapping policy - do we care? Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hi, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: should be deleted then. Burning man follows a no trace policy. I don't see why that should be relevant to us. China follows a no mapping policy - do we care? Isn't that like photos, they can prevent your from

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-18 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Friday 18 Dec 2009 2:27:42 pm Frederik Ramm wrote: should be deleted then. Burning man follows a no trace policy. I don't see why that should be relevant to us. China follows a no mapping policy - do we care? where is china? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: Isn't that like photos, they can prevent your from creating the photo (in some cases like events) but once it exists they have no rights to make you delete it or have any rights over the image itself. Burning Man sure *try* to regulate the publication of photos (they

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:57 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: The reduce the map frame size and put the ad along the bottom of the map, also when taking a screen shot of this they also add ads on the left hand pane. http://img193.imageshack.us/i/googleadsc.png/ Hmm, I can't

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.comwrote: We map what is on ground ( with some exceptions like boundaries) And powerlines, and opening hours, and bus/tram/bike routes, and proposed/planned/demolished buildings/roads, and ski runs, and culturally interesting

[OSM-talk] Burning Man (was: revert changesets??)

2009-12-18 Thread Mikel Maron
Hi As the mapper for Burning Man, let me explain a little bit about the festival, and how I've attempted to represent it in OSM. But first... Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com should be deleted then. Burning man follows a no trace policy. as alternative it must be at least tagged

[OSM-talk] Burning Man (was: revert changesets??)

2009-12-18 Thread Aun Johnsen
From: Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org Date: Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Burning Man (was: revert changesets??) To: Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com Just a suggestion that I think will satisfy both camps: When the burning man us remapped (i.e. moved), add the prefix

Re: [OSM-talk] Burning Man (was: revert changesets??)

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com: So that's the situation. I decided to represent the temporality by adding start_date and end_date tags to the 2008 data, one of the suggestions of I agree with comments on the 4D page about this that start_date/end_date is a bit conflicting with

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-18 Thread Dave F.
Apollinaris Schoell wrote: Burning man follows a no trace policy. Who says this why? Burning man policy I'm definitely intrigued by this. I thought they were all peace love! Do you have a link to this policy? Ta Dave F. ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Burning Man (was: revert changesets??)

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: Just a suggestion that I think will satisfy both camps: When the burning man us remapped (i.e. moved), add the prefix burning_man: to all tags, that will retain them in the database, erase them from maps, but still allow for special interest maps

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-18 Thread Mikel Maron
From: Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com Apollinaris Schoell wrote: Burning man follows a no trace policy. Who says this why? Burning man policy I'm definitely intrigued by this. I thought they were all peace love! Do you have a link to this policy? I explained in my

Re: [OSM-talk] Burning Man

2009-12-18 Thread David Earl
On 18/12/2009 11:51, Mikel Maron wrote: beyond that, the layout retains importance as geographic context to photos, videos, memories. If you look at the flickr map, the background map depends on whether the photo was taken in 2008 or 2009.

Re: [OSM-talk] Burning Man

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: Of course, all photos should be geolocated in four dimensions of the space-time continuum not just lat,lon but lat,lon,altitude and timestamp. Silly? Perhaps a bit OTT at present, but... Silly until altitude sensors/chips get a lot better...

Re: [OSM-talk] Gone OT (was revert changesets??)

2009-12-18 Thread Dave F.
Dave F. wrote: Apollinaris Schoell wrote: Burning man follows a no trace policy. Who says this why? Burning man policy I'm definitely intrigued by this. I thought they were all peace love! Do you have a link to this policy? It's OK I found it:

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:34 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: This is a documentation issue, not a viewing issue, Buh? the OSM website is a bit disjointed, once a local entity is sorted out I'm planning to get a localised a website setup and from there we can start to

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Whatever you like, but I'm not seeing the link. I/you/anyone could fix the wiki now...why the need for a local entity? Why do you really want to create a new website? Because it's easier that trying to spend time/effort getting the main OSM site

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging Greenways

2009-12-18 Thread Greg Troxel
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes: Sam Vekemans wrote: Where the only way i know to map it is to use a relation and call it route=greenway and dont have it render on the cyclemap. Just map the sections as appropriate. Greenway is the US/Canadianism for cycleway. I don't follow

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging Greenways

2009-12-18 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Greg Troxel wrote: Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes: Sam Vekemans wrote: Where the only way i know to map it is to use a relation and call it route=greenway and dont have it render on the cyclemap. Just map the sections as appropriate. Greenway is the US/Canadianism for cycleway.

Re: [OSM-talk] import or convert .sch file to osm ?

2009-12-18 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Viernes, 18 de Diciembre de 2009, Michael musset escribió: Hi, i really need to convert an ESRI shapefile, do you have an idea ? ogr2osm. It still has a few problems running under windows, though, which I'm looking into. -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega

Re: [OSM-talk] import or convert .sch file to osm ?

2009-12-18 Thread Michael musset
thanks, but i get the same error for python script : Traceback (most recent call last): File ogr2osm.py, line 74, in ? import ogr ImportError: No module named ogr and it is weird because i 've already installed python-gdal package 2009/12/18 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging Greenways

2009-12-18 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Greg Troxel wrote: like this ? http://www.mass.gov/dcr/parks/northeast/nash.htm here, that's definitely 'rail trail'. is that similar to wha you mean in France ? Not all voies vertes are rail trails but the ones I mentioned definitely are. I did not know rail trail - thanks for that

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-18 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 18 Dec 2009, at 24:57 , Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: should be deleted then. Burning man follows a no trace policy. I don't see why that should be relevant to us. China follows a no mapping policy - do we care? you have spent to much time on mapping. ;-) no

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-18 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 18 Dec 2009, at 24:42 , Peter Körner wrote: there is no structure left behind for burning men. as soon as all is removed map should show current status again. keeping it in the database is ok but the tags need to reflect that there is nothing left on ground *I think* it should be

Re: [OSM-talk] Burning Man (was: revert changesets??)

2009-12-18 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 18 Dec 2009, at 3:51 , Mikel Maron wrote: Of course, we now have a map with data shown past the end_date for the 2008 event. The most obvious option is tuning the renderers to data past it's end date. There's downsides to that .. larger planet size, increased complexity in

[OSM-talk] Burning Man (was: revert changesets??)

2009-12-18 Thread Aun Johnsen
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:12 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/18 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: Just a suggestion that I think will satisfy both camps: When the burning man us remapped (i.e. moved), add the prefix burning_man: to all tags, that will retain

Re: [OSM-talk] Burning Man

2009-12-18 Thread Aun Johnsen
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:25 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/18 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: Of course, all photos should be geolocated in four dimensions of the space-time continuum not just lat,lon but lat,lon,altitude and timestamp. Silly? Perhaps a

Re: [OSM-talk] Burning Man

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
2009/12/19 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: Fotos are already timestamped, both in EXIF (together with GeoCode), and in the file itself. That should give you enough data for setting the foto in the time axis of a 4D map. I know some cameras give you bearing and angle above/below the horizon,

Re: [OSM-talk] Burning Man (was: revert changesets??)

2009-12-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:12 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/18 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: Just a suggestion that I think will satisfy both camps: When the burning man us remapped (i.e. moved), add the prefix burning_man: to all tags, that will retain them in

Re: [OSM-talk] import or convert .sch file to osm ?

2009-12-18 Thread Michael musset
Is there someone know how to convert an autocad file to osm ? I have my own OSM server, but i don't kknow how to add autocad data. I use JOSM, but i didn't find a plugin to do that. Also OpenJump support .shp but i didn't find a way to convert this file into osm after that.. Do you have an

Re: [OSM-talk] Burning Man (was: revert changesets??)

2009-12-18 Thread OJ W
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org wrote: It is not only rendering software, but all software that use the spatial data in some way or another. A few years ago, you could pretty much assume that any untagged segment in the OSM database was a road. Renderers

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging Greenways

2009-12-18 Thread Celso González
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 03:33:41PM +0100, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Greg Troxel wrote: Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes: Sam Vekemans wrote: Where the only way i know to map it is to use a relation and call it route=greenway and dont have it render on the cyclemap. Just map

Re: [OSM-talk] Burning Man (was: revert changesets??)

2009-12-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:16 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/19 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: I prefer the principle of least surprise when working with OSM data. The most basic analysis of the data should have the least gotchas possible. So we should avoid tagging

Re: [OSM-talk] Burning Man (was: revert changesets??)

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
2009/12/19 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: Those who are interested in historical maps will need to know about the 4th dimension and whatever tags are involved. Those who aren't, shouldn't need to. Initially it may well be a niche activity, but long term roads move etc, and it's often

Re: [OSM-talk] Burning Man

2009-12-18 Thread David Earl
On 18/12/2009 12:19, David Earl wrote: Actually if photos are geolocated like that, they also need a reference datum stored too - how else will the space tourists of the future locate their photos on the moon and on Mars? Taking this to extremes:

[OSM-talk] SOTM 2010 Girona, Spain!!

2009-12-18 Thread Hurricane
Hey OSMers! It's official... We'll all be basking in sunshine in southern Spain at the 4th Annual State of the Map on July 9-11, 2010. For more information, visit the wiki at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2010 Our host city is Girona, Spain. Girona, (or

[OSM-talk] CommonMap, announcement - geodata repository without Share-Alike.

2009-12-18 Thread morb . gis
Hello OpenStreetMappers, I acknowledge that the OSM leadership is serious about baking in the ShareAlike requirement into the allowed usage of OSM data. I also acknowledge that there is a significant proportion of contributors that are happy for their works to be used more broadly. If you

Re: [OSM-talk] Burning Man (was: revert changesets??)

2009-12-18 Thread Erik Johansson
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:11 PM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: filtering-out historical data (date_end doesn't exist or is in the past) is 1 or 2 rules.  Any application needs tens or hundreds of rules to even begin to understand OSM (try defining 'can you cycle on this' or 'is this

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2010 Girona, Spain!!

2009-12-18 Thread 80n
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Hurricane hurric...@hurricanemcewen.comwrote: We'll all be basking in sunshine in southern Spain at the 4th Annual State of the Map on July 9-11, 2010. Would that be the bit of southern Spain that is in the north east corner of the country? ;) 80n

[OSM-talk-nl] excuses

2009-12-18 Thread Andre Engels
Excuses voor het bewerken van jullie mooie kaart, zal ik proberen mijn wijzigingen ongedaan te maken, of kan ik dat beter ook aan anderen overlaten? -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] excuses

2009-12-18 Thread Christ van Willegen
Andre, 2009/12/18 Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com: Excuses voor het bewerken van jullie mooie kaart, zal ik proberen mijn wijzigingen ongedaan te maken, of kan ik dat beter ook aan anderen overlaten? Apologies accepted :-) Och, het gebeurt ons allemaal wel eens. Maar, gelukkig zijn er

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] excuses

2009-12-18 Thread Andre Engels
2009/12/18 Christ van Willegen cvwille...@gmail.com: Andre, 2009/12/18 Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com: Excuses voor het bewerken van jullie mooie kaart, zal ik proberen mijn wijzigingen ongedaan te maken, of kan ik dat beter ook aan anderen overlaten? Apologies accepted :-) Och, het

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] kerst / nieuwjaarsborrel?

2009-12-18 Thread Martijn van Exel
Vrijdag 8 januari, café Het Loosje, Nieuwmarkt, Amsterdam, vanaf zes uur? Ik heb geen budget, dus gewoon going Dutch ;) Of doe een mooi ander voorstel! Martijn On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:14 PM, Freek wrote: On Tuesday 08 December 2009, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: dag medemappers, wie heeft er

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] excuses

2009-12-18 Thread Martijn van Exel
Het is niet 'jullie' kaart, het is 'onze' kaart! :) Wat was er aan de hand dan? On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Andre Engels wrote: Excuses voor het bewerken van jullie mooie kaart, zal ik proberen mijn wijzigingen ongedaan te maken, of kan ik dat beter ook aan anderen overlaten? -- André

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Area history?

2009-12-18 Thread Martijn van Exel
Je kunt tegenwoordig ook een volledige historydump downloaden! Voor de gevorderde gebruiker ;) 12GB Bzip2 compressed. On Dec 14, 2009, at 8:33 PM, YRS wrote: Hallo allemaal, Ik mis een area in mijn omgeving (waterpartij). Het zou kunnen dat iemand hem met een goede reden heeft

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] excuses

2009-12-18 Thread Andre Engels
2009/12/18 Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com: Het is niet 'jullie' kaart, het is 'onze' kaart! :) Wat was er aan de hand dan? Ruzie op de tagging-mailinglijst, over wanneer iets highway=cycleway mag heten. -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com ___

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] excuses

2009-12-18 Thread Martijn van Exel
Alweer over cycleways?! Het houdt ook nooit op ;) Was er een duidelijke uitkomst / consensus / conclusie die je kunt crossposten naar talk-nl? Martijn On Dec 18, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Andre Engels wrote: 2009/12/18 Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com: Het is niet 'jullie' kaart, het is 'onze'

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] excuses

2009-12-18 Thread Andre Engels
2009/12/18 Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com: Alweer over cycleways?! Het houdt ook nooit op ;) Was er een duidelijke uitkomst / consensus / conclusie die je kunt crossposten naar talk-nl? Als er een duidelijke consensus was, had ik het niet over 'ruzie' gehad. Mijn standpunt was: Als er

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] excuses

2009-12-18 Thread Andre Engels
2009/12/18 Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com: 2009/12/18 Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com: Alweer over cycleways?! Het houdt ook nooit op ;) Was er een duidelijke uitkomst / consensus / conclusie die je kunt crossposten naar talk-nl? Als er een duidelijke consensus was, had ik het niet

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] kerst / nieuwjaarsborrel?

2009-12-18 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Hmmm, ik had gister het idee geopperd om het 10 januari in Utrecht te vieren (Cafe De Bastaard) maar aangezien jij als eerste aan de bel trekt vind ik dit ook een goed idee hoor. Groet, Floris Martijn van Exel wrote: Vrijdag 8 januari, café Het Loosje, Nieuwmarkt, Amsterdam, vanaf zes uur? Ik

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] excuses

2009-12-18 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Andre Engels wrote: 2009/12/18 Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com: Alweer over cycleways?! Het houdt ook nooit op ;) Was er een duidelijke uitkomst / consensus / conclusie die je kunt crossposten naar talk-nl? Als er een duidelijke consensus was, had ik het niet over 'ruzie' gehad. Mijn

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] excuses

2009-12-18 Thread Andre Engels
2009/12/18 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu: Andre Engels wrote: 2009/12/18 Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com: Alweer over cycleways?! Het houdt ook nooit op ;) Was er een duidelijke uitkomst / consensus / conclusie die je kunt crossposten naar talk-nl? Als er een duidelijke consensus

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] excuses

2009-12-18 Thread Martijn van Exel
Kom op, geen gal spuwen. Er is geen absolute waarheid, hoogstens een meerderheidsstandpunt. En als je overtuigende redenen hebt om daarvan af te wijken, dan staat niemand je in de weg. Martijn On Dec 19, 2009, at 12:08 AM, Andre Engels wrote: 2009/12/18 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu:

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] excuses

2009-12-18 Thread Andre Engels
2009/12/19 Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com: Kom op, geen gal spuwen. Er is geen absolute waarheid, hoogstens een meerderheidsstandpunt. En als je overtuigende redenen hebt om daarvan af te wijken, dan staat niemand je in de weg. Dank je... Ik zit er geloof ik nog steeds een beetje mee in

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] excuses

2009-12-18 Thread Stefan de Konink
Op 19-12-09 08:20, Andre Engels schreef: Dank je... Ik zit er geloof ik nog steeds een beetje mee in m'n maag. In elk geval blij dat het hier een stuk vriendelijker aan toe gaat. Waar niet dan? (Wat zijn hier trouwens mensen vroeg wakker op zaterdag!) Stefan

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: Likewise it's not necessary to have multiple nodes on a straight section of road (unless it's really long).  As an example I just came across one straight road that was 150m long. It had 6 nodes on it where it could have been drawn with three. One

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Technically all it does is introduce it to the map features page, but that doesn't mean you can't use it anyway, it doesn't mean you can't document it's usage on other pages, although some people say that map features

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Likewise it's not necessary to have multiple nodes on a straight section of road (unless it's really long). As an example I just came across one straight road that was 150m long. It had 6 nodes on it where it could have

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: In that case, the voting means nothing at all? Weird. It's a left over practise from a time it would have been more appropriate/useful, but since the number of users have increased by several orders of magnitude it has become a much less efficient

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: I'm guilty of this sometimes. One reason for me comes from the method of tracing: zoom in, mark points along the longest straight stretch you can see, then pan the map, repeat, etc. If you're very zoomed in, you can't tell that the road will be

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
As per email below, intersection_simple.jpg is the method I have adopted. Agree with multiple nodes on straight roads, I have been fixing them up as I find them. Separated ways is an interesting one and people do it differently. I am of the opinion that they have to be 'physically separate' ie

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:13:44 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Likewise it's not necessary to have multiple nodes on a straight section of road (unless it's really long). As an example I just came across

[talk-au] Fw: Re: Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Ross Scanlon
Separated ways is an interesting one and people do it differently. I am of the opinion that they have to be 'physically separate' ie there must be some barrier (island) between them (other than a solid white line - which can be seen in the link to the OSM map of the intersection under current

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Better way to do it is zoomed out so you can see the whole section you want to trace. Mark an end point then mark the other end. Then zoom and accurately adjust the end points, once they are in the correct place then

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
2009/12/18 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Yeah but then if there are curvy bits – which I want to be maximally zoomed in for – that doesn't work. Personally I'm not seeing a lot of harm in excess nodes. Of all the things you could do wrong, it ranks pretty low in harm. You're right, there

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Ross Scanlon
Better way to do it is zoomed out so you can see the whole section you want to trace. Mark an end point then mark the other end. Then zoom and accurately adjust the end points, once they are in the correct place then add extra points if necessary. Yeah but then if there are curvy

[talk-au] Victorian police locations...

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
There is also Vic police locations as part of the data.australia.gov.au release, it's under cc-by: http://data.australia.gov.au/406 Even has lat/lon, but isn't listed under the geography section... Makes me wonder if there are other similar datasets that aren't listed under geography but have

Re: [talk-au] Victorian police locations...

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
I just took a look at a few in JOSM and they must have used some other datum, if anyone call tell me which one and/or how to convert to WGS84 I'll update the osm file. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Victorian police locations...

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
Or just another case of bad geocoding... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] Vic hospital locations

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
I've been looking over the data.australia.gov.au site some more, so far there is a kml file for vic hospitals, as a result most of the useful information is in html type formating and seems to include a lot of disclaimers about the information being best effort/use at own risk...

Re: [talk-au] Vic hospital locations

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
I should have included a direct link to the page: http://data.australia.gov.au/404 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] Stimulus funding locations

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
Another document with lat/lon data, but this one will need to be dealt with manually, contains locations and types of projects money is being spent on, seems to be useful for extracting school and park locations, and locations of rail way crossings/bridges that are being upgraded, among other

[talk-au] Centrelink locations

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
Yet another document with lat/lon that wasn't in the Geography category: http://data.australia.gov.au/80 I've converted this to an osm file: http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/centrelink.osm.bz2 Wasn't sure how to tag these so came up with the following: node id='-1' action='create'

[talk-au] NT data

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
Department of Planning and Infrastructure (NT) has a bunch of data uploaded to data.australia.gov.au which includes lat/lon: http://data.australia.gov.au/76 This spread sheet includes schools, parks, fire/ambulence stations, libraries, museums and aboriginal communities. Majority of the data is

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] Burning Man (was: revert changesets??)

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
2009/12/19 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: For changing roads, I think the future of changesets will allow us to revert changes as well as have a way to retrieve historical data. I guess that a future API version will allow you to see how the world looked in 2009, so that non-existing roads

Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

2009-12-18 Thread Evan Sebire
Why wouldn't the address be entered using the Karlsruhe system? Is the data all in one line and it would need more processing? I normally enter urls using the url tag. Keep up the great work! Evan On Friday 18 Dec 2009 16:59:01 John Smith wrote: Yet another document with lat/lon that wasn't in

Re: [talk-au] Vic hospital locations

2009-12-18 Thread Liz
On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: I should have included a direct link to the page: http://data.australia.gov.au/404 There are other interesting ones South Australian Boat Ramp Locations http://data.australia.gov.au/99 Medicare Offices is Just addresses There is a link to

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: I have not changed the current intersection in osm but here are two screen shots of the intersection in josm. http://www.4x4falcon.com/osm/junctions/intersection_messy.jpg

Re: [talk-au] Vic hospital locations

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:03 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: ... seems to include a lot of disclaimers about the information being best effort/use at own risk... Probably just covering their back - because people looking for a hospital do tend to be at risk if the data's

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: In that case, the voting means nothing at all? Weird. From my perspective, voting's similar to asking for opinions on an email list, just with the added benefit of yes/no responses and documentation of results.

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread John Henderson
Roy Wallace wrote: +1. A problem with the router requires a simple ROUTER fix. The router just needs to be told that when entering a junction with a roundabout, that also happens to have an exit, that exit counts as the first exit. I can just see the people at Garmin falling over themselves

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: The real issue here is what are we mapping - and with the intersection example, the issue seems to be whether the ways should accurately correspond to geographic reality (_messy), or not (_simple). IMHO, it's quite

Re: [talk-au] Stimulus funding locations

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:22 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Another document with lat/lon data, but this one will need to be dealt with manually, contains locations and types of projects money is being spent on, seems to be useful for extracting school and park locations, and

Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
Yeah, good work. Should the name be Bairnsdale Centrelink or just Centrelink? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

2009-12-18 Thread John Henderson
Steve Bennett wrote: Yeah, good work. Should the name be Bairnsdale Centrelink or just Centrelink? I'm all for putting town/suburb names in as well. One place where it matters is looking up POIs on GPS units. These are sorted by proximity to current location. And when using the feature to

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:46 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I thought long and hard about this issue before I make the first correction to a local roundabout.  I came to the conclusion that roundabout entry and exit points should be separate. Sure, and I see the logic - but the

Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:28 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: Yeah, good work. Should the name be Bairnsdale Centrelink or just Centrelink? I'm all for putting town/suburb names in as well.  One place where it matters is looking up POIs on GPS units. These

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, and I see the logic - but the fact you needed to think long and hard means it's probably better if the routing can be fixed to cope with either kind of mapping. Yes. Although if we're trying to make our map data

Re: [talk-au] Vic hospital locations

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
2009/12/19 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:03 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: ... seems to include a lot of disclaimers about the information being best effort/use at own risk... Probably just covering their back - because people looking for a

Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

2009-12-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: But isn't this a problem with the user i.e. the GPS unit software? I.e. shouldn't the suburb be retrieved from an admin boundary if required? IMHO the name=* value should be the name. If it's actually called Bairnsdale

Re: [talk-au] Vic hospital locations

2009-12-18 Thread John Smith
2009/12/19 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: I should have included a direct link to the page: http://data.australia.gov.au/404 There are other interesting ones South Australian Boat Ramp Locations http://data.australia.gov.au/99 Yea, the boat ramps and boating

Re: [talk-au] Vic hospital locations

2009-12-18 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: 2009/12/19 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: I should have included a direct link to the page: http://data.australia.gov.au/404 There are other interesting ones South Australian Boat Ramp Locations

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