The import stalled through a combination of the person doing it (Thomas Wood)
going to university, people in various areas either not taking the project on
or in some cases not wanting an import in their area due to having done the bus
stops manually already.
There is now the updating issue th
Is the NaPTAN import still in progress? I ask as the "Request for
Import" [1] page has not been edited in quite a while?
Thanks,
Chris
1: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN/Request_for_Import
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I was referring to
public_transport=platform + bus=yes
public_transport=bus_stop would not work because there are stop
positions where trams, buses and sometimes (Karlsruhe comes to my mind)
even light_rails stop at the same position (Image:
http://www.dvn-berlin.de/i/verein/2009_alex_bus_hpa
They're all still highway=bus_stop. I think I'd need some convincing
that public_transport=platform was appropriate for bus stops.
Public_transport=bus_stop, maybe.
Why change?
Richard
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Claudius Henrichs wrote:
> One question on the Naptan import: Did you use any
One question on the Naptan import: Did you use any tags from the
public_transport therefore? Or are these all highway=bus_stop?
Would be a great chance to increase coverage of the more detailed
public_transport=platform
Claudius
Am 29.06.2010 02:07, Shaun McDonald:
In the UK as part of the Napt
1st August 2009 22:21:35
Although there are reportedly some technical errors in the data I took
from the NaPTAN website that are unresolvable by myself.
2009/9/2 Chris Hill :
> After a brief exchange with a senior public transport officer from a
> local council I realized that I don't know what d
After a brief exchange with a senior public transport officer from a
local council I realized that I don't know what date the NaPTAN data
relates to. Can anyone help?
Cheers, Chris
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Roger Slevin wrote:
> The PlusBus zone data comes from PlusBus – so please don’t try to change
> it. If you think it is wrong, then let me know and I will ask PlusBus
> to review the information.
The Wrexham and Ruabon PlusBus zone has been imported without any
reference to Wrexham (the more i
"Ed Loach" schrieb:
> > I am not offering to create the page so hopefully someone else
> > will do
> > that. (I am doing work on cleaning up other existing transit
> > related
> > wiki pages on when I have time).
>
> I might do a page Tag:public_transport=pay_scale_area and divert
> PlusBus to t
in
> >> Sent: 07 August 2009 09:20
> >> To: 'Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics'
> >> Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> Useful feedback which I will take up with PlusBus - as they
> >&g
> I am not offering to create the page so hopefully someone else
> will do
> that. (I am doing work on cleaning up other existing transit
> related
> wiki pages on when I have time).
I might do a page Tag:public_transport=pay_scale_area and divert
PlusBus to that?
Google reveals these areas were
rg [mailto:talk-
>> transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Roger Slevin
>> Sent: 07 August 2009 09:20
>> To: 'Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics'
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Useful feedb
reetmap.org [mailto:talk-
> transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Roger Slevin
> Sent: 07 August 2009 09:20
> To: 'Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics'
> Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
>
> Ed
>
> Useful feedback which I will take up
: 07 August 2009 08:59
To: talk-transit@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
I see some areas have been imported near here,
public_transport=pay_scale_area, for Harwich and Clacton. Is there a wiki
page somewhere detailing what these are (I'll search after sending this)?
I
I see some areas have been imported near here, public_transport=pay_scale_area,
for Harwich and Clacton. Is there a wiki page somewhere detailing what these
are (I'll search after sending this)?
In the case of Clacton, it looks like it was defined as a line from the coast,
inland, then back to
From: talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org
[mailto:talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Clough - OSM
Sent: 05 August 2009 15:31
To: talk-transit@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-transit] NAPTAN Import: Plus-bus Zones
I've had a quick look at a couple o
I've had a quick look at a couple of the PlusBusZones (once inadvertently, as
the name is rendering
inappropriately on the Mapnik map): Nottingham and Maidenhead. In both cases
boundaries are only
approximate, and appear to be delimited by bus stops rather than routes (e.g.,
service 6 in Maide
Peter Miller schrieb:
>
> On 1 Aug 2009, at 22:51, Thomas Wood wrote:
> > Ooops, I linked the wrong changeset!
> > http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/389 was my
> > intent.
>
> A couple of comments.
>
> Firstly, the locality field is an important part of the name in
> NaPTA
On 1 Aug 2009, at 22:51, Thomas Wood wrote:
> 2009/8/1 Christoph Böhme :
>> Thomas Wood schrieb:
>>
>>> I think all outstanding coding issues have now been dealt with.
>>> There's one minor tagging issue to address - should the source tag
>>> be
>>> on the data or changesets.
>>
>> Since the s
to:talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Christoph Böhme
Sent: 02 August 2009 11:40
To: talk-transit@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
"Roger Slevin" schrieb:
> Plusbus zones are polygons which are unrelated to the road network -
> so for Rye it covers
00:24 To: Thomas Wood
> Cc: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics
> Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
>
> Thomas Wood schrieb:
>
> > 2009/7/30 Christoph Böhme :
> > > Thomas Wood schrieb:
> > >> 2009/7/29 Christoph Böhme :
> > &g
From: talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org
[mailto:talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Christoph Böhme
Sent: 02 August 2009 00:24
To: Thomas Wood
Cc: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics
Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
Thomas Wood schrieb:
> 2009/7/30 Ch
Thomas Wood schrieb:
> 2009/7/30 Christoph Böhme :
> > Thomas Wood schrieb:
> >> 2009/7/29 Christoph Böhme :
> >> > I transformed the Plusbus Zones into a josm-file (XSLT is
> >> > cool :-). Thomas can you import it using the naptan-user if no
> >> > one objects to the tagging scheme?
> >> >
> >
2009/8/1 Christoph Böhme :
> Thomas Wood schrieb:
>
>> 2009/8/1 Christoph Böhme :
>> > Thomas Wood schrieb:
>> >> Otherwise, a test upload of the Surrey data is visible here -
>> >> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/394
>> >> Comments welcomed.
>> >
>> > Could it be that the tag
2009/7/30 Christoph Böhme :
> Thomas Wood schrieb:
>> 2009/7/29 Christoph Böhme :
>> > I transformed the Plusbus Zones into a josm-file (XSLT is cool :-).
>> > Thomas can you import it using the naptan-user if no one objects to
>> > the tagging scheme?
>> >
>> > http://www.mappa-mercia.org/nptg/pl
Thomas Wood schrieb:
> 2009/8/1 Christoph Böhme :
> > Thomas Wood schrieb:
> >> Otherwise, a test upload of the Surrey data is visible here -
> >> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/394
> >> Comments welcomed.
> >
> > Could it be that the tags are missing? All the nodes I have l
2009/8/1 Christoph Böhme :
> Thomas Wood schrieb:
>
>> I think all outstanding coding issues have now been dealt with.
>> There's one minor tagging issue to address - should the source tag be
>> on the data or changesets.
>
> Since the source tag applies to the whole changeset it makes sense to
>
Thomas Wood schrieb:
> I think all outstanding coding issues have now been dealt with.
> There's one minor tagging issue to address - should the source tag be
> on the data or changesets.
Since the source tag applies to the whole changeset it makes sense to
tag only the changeset. However, I bel
I think all outstanding coding issues have now been dealt with.
There's one minor tagging issue to address - should the source tag be
on the data or changesets.
Otherwise, a test upload of the Surrey data is visible here -
http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/394
Comments welcomed.
-Original Message-
From: talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org
[mailto:talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Wood
Sent: 31 July 2009 16:14
To: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics
Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
2009/7/29 Thomas Woo
2009/7/29 Thomas Wood :
> 2009/7/29 Christoph Böhme :
[snip]
>> - Alternative names (e.g. welsh names)
>
> NaPTAN includes this too, I was going to check whether the
> functionality was required as we started on Welsh/Scottish regions, I
> can't remember the reason for not implementing it immediate
Christoph Böhme wrote:
> Peter Miller schrieb:
> > I am also aware that there is a 50K place gazetteer sitting there
> > untouched - last week I was adding villages in Norfolk by hand and
> > the data is sitting available in NPTG.
>
> I taught myself XSLT at the weekend and played a bit with t
Thomas Wood schrieb:
> 2009/7/29 Christoph Böhme :
> > I transformed the Plusbus Zones into a josm-file (XSLT is cool :-).
> > Thomas can you import it using the naptan-user if no one objects to
> > the tagging scheme?
> >
> > http://www.mappa-mercia.org/nptg/plusbuszones.osm.gz
> >
> > Cheers,
>
;
> -Original Message-
> From: Christoph Böhme [mailto:christ...@b3e.net]
> Sent: 29 July 2009 18:36
> To: ro...@slevin.plus.com
> Cc: 'Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics'; 'Peter
> Miller' Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
>
>
Christoph Böhme [mailto:christ...@b3e.net]
Sent: 29 July 2009 18:36
To: ro...@slevin.plus.com
Cc: 'Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics'; 'Peter Miller'
Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
"Roger Slevin" schrieb:
> Christoph
>
> Sorry
: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics
Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
2009/7/29 Christoph Böhme :
> Christoph Böhme schrieb:
>> Thomas Wood schrieb:
>> > 2009/7/29 Christoph Böhme :
>> > > Talking of the NaPTAN import: The NPTG data also co
2009/7/29 Christoph Böhme :
> Christoph Böhme schrieb:
>> Thomas Wood schrieb:
>> > 2009/7/29 Christoph Böhme :
>> > > Talking of the NaPTAN import: The NPTG data also contains polygons
>> > > for the Plusbus Zones. This data is self-contained and can easily
>> > > be imported. They could be eith
Christoph Böhme schrieb:
> Thomas Wood schrieb:
> > 2009/7/29 Christoph Böhme :
> > > Talking of the NaPTAN import: The NPTG data also contains polygons
> > > for the Plusbus Zones. This data is self-contained and can easily
> > > be imported. They could be either imported as ways tagged with
> >
Thomas Wood schrieb:
> 2009/7/29 Christoph Böhme :
> > Peter Miller schrieb:
> >
> >> On 27 Jul 2009, at 22:14, Christoph Böhme wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi
> >> >
> >> > "Roger Slevin" schrieb:
> >> >
> >> >> Locality Classification was added as a possible "nice to have"
> >> >> to the version 2 schem
2009/7/29 Christoph Böhme :
> Peter Miller schrieb:
>
>> On 27 Jul 2009, at 22:14, Christoph Böhme wrote:
>>
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > "Roger Slevin" schrieb:
>> >
>> >> Locality Classification was added as a possible "nice to have" to
>> >> the version 2 schema but it has not been populated, and no
>> >
Peter Miller schrieb:
> On 27 Jul 2009, at 22:14, Christoph Böhme wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > "Roger Slevin" schrieb:
> >
> >> Locality Classification was added as a possible "nice to have" to
> >> the version 2 schema but it has not been populated, and no
> >> guidance has been created to indicate
> -Original Message-
> From: Christoph Böhme [mailto:christ...@b3e.net]
> Sent: 28 July 2009 22:54
> To: ro...@slevin.plus.com; Public transport/transit/shared taxi
> related topics
> Cc: ro...@slevin.plus.com; 'Peter Miller'
> Subject: Re: [Talk-t
2009/7/26 Christoph Böhme :
> I am happy to continue working on the NPTG import if Thomas does not
> mind.
Yes, that's fine, NPTG isn't really an interest of mine, as I think I
insinuated on the wikipage writeup of the format.
2009/7/27 Peter Miller :
> My vote is to get on with it - the NPTG and
ssage-
From: Christoph Böhme [mailto:christ...@b3e.net]
Sent: 28 July 2009 22:54
To: ro...@slevin.plus.com; Public transport/transit/shared taxi related
topics
Cc: ro...@slevin.plus.com; 'Peter Miller'
Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
Roger,
thank you for your explanations.
Roger,
thank you for your explanations.
"Roger Slevin" schrieb:
> Although NPTG was originally for public transport purposes, we
> stressed at all times that a locality should be listed even if it has
> no public transport - but we know that some local editors have
> probably erred towards mar
On 28 Jul 2009, at 18:41, Christoph Böhme wrote:
> o...@edwardbetts.com schrieb:
>
>> Christoph Böhme wrote:
>>> Many places have wikipedia entries (even villages). If we can manage
>>> to automatically look the entries up and extract the relevant
>>> information (population size) from the info
o...@edwardbetts.com schrieb:
> Christoph Böhme wrote:
> > Many places have wikipedia entries (even villages). If we can manage
> > to automatically look the entries up and extract the relevant
> > information (population size) from the info box we could probably
> > classify a lot of places.
>
On 27 Jul 2009, at 22:14, Christoph Böhme wrote:
> Hi
>
> "Roger Slevin" schrieb:
>
>> Locality Classification was added as a possible "nice to have" to the
>> version 2 schema but it has not been populated, and no guidance has
>> been created to indicate how this field should be used (save for
Christoph Böhme wrote:
> Many places have wikipedia entries (even villages). If we can manage
> to automatically look the entries up and extract the relevant
> information (population size) from the info box we could probably
> classify a lot of places.
I'm afraid we can't use population data, it
Christoph Böhme wrote:
> Hi
>
> "Roger Slevin" schrieb:
>
>
>> Locality Classification was added as a possible "nice to have" to the
>> version 2 schema but it has not been populated, and no guidance has
>> been created to indicate how this field should be used (save for a
>> table of permitted
-Original Message-
From: Christoph Böhme [mailto:christ...@b3e.net]
Sent: 27 July 2009 22:14
To: ro...@slevin.plus.com
Cc: 'Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics'
Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
Hi
"Roger Slevin" schrieb:
> Locality Clas
Hi
"Roger Slevin" schrieb:
> Locality Classification was added as a possible "nice to have" to the
> version 2 schema but it has not been populated, and no guidance has
> been created to indicate how this field should be used (save for a
> table of permitted values). There is no classification
nsit-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Christoph Böhme
Sent: 27 July 2009 21:50
To: Peter Miller
Cc: talk-transit@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
Good evening,
Peter Miller schrieb:
> On 26 Jul 2009, at 22:14, Christoph Böhme wrote:
> > I also created a
Good evening,
Peter Miller schrieb:
> On 26 Jul 2009, at 22:14, Christoph Böhme wrote:
> > I also created a copy of the NOVAM viewer and changed it to display
> > NTPG data instead of bus stops:
> >
> > http://www.mappa-mercia.org/cgi-bin/nptg.wsgi/viewer.html
>
> Great stuff, and clearly there
t: 27 July 2009 08:52
To: Christoph Böhme
Cc: talk-transit@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
On 26 Jul 2009, at 22:14, Christoph Böhme wrote:
> Hi
>
> Peter Miller schrieb:
>> I am also aware that there is a 50K place gazetteer sitting there
>> unt
On 26 Jul 2009, at 22:14, Christoph Böhme wrote:
> Hi
>
> Peter Miller schrieb:
>> I am also aware that there is a 50K place gazetteer sitting there
>> untouched - last week I was adding villages in Norfolk by hand and
>> the data is sitting available in NPTG.
>
> I taught myself XSLT at the wee
Hi
Peter Miller schrieb:
> I am also aware that there is a 50K place gazetteer sitting there
> untouched - last week I was adding villages in Norfolk by hand and
> the data is sitting available in NPTG.
I taught myself XSLT at the weekend and played a bit with the NPTG
data. On http://www.mapp
2009/7/22 Thomas Wood :
> 2009/7/22 Peter Miller :
>>
>> On 20 Jul 2009, at 14:35, Thomas Wood wrote:
>>
>>> 2009/7/20 Peter J Stoner :
In message on 20 Jul 2009, Ed Loach wrote:
> I'm assuming that the naptan import when it happens will be as at a
> certain point in time, a
2009/7/22 Peter Miller :
>
> On 20 Jul 2009, at 14:35, Thomas Wood wrote:
>
>> 2009/7/20 Peter J Stoner :
>>>
>>> In message on 20 Jul 2009, Ed Loach wrote:
>>>
I'm assuming that the naptan import when it happens will be as at a
certain point in time, and won't include any new bus stops
On 20 Jul 2009, at 14:35, Thomas Wood wrote:
> 2009/7/20 Peter J Stoner :
>> In message on 20 Jul 2009, Ed Loach wrote:
>>
>>> I'm assuming that the naptan import when it happens will be as at a
>>> certain point in time, and won't include any new bus stops since
>>> that
>>> time?
>>
>>> I'm
2009/7/20 Peter J Stoner :
> In message on 20 Jul 2009, Ed Loach wrote:
>
>> I'm assuming that the naptan import when it happens will be as at a
>> certain point in time, and won't include any new bus stops since that
>> time?
>
>> I'm asking because a bus route has changed in the last week or so
In message on 20 Jul 2009, Ed Loach wrote:
> I'm assuming that the naptan import when it happens will be as at a
> certain point in time, and won't include any new bus stops since that
> time?
> I'm asking because a bus route has changed in the last week or so that
> now passes my house both way
I'm assuming that the naptan import when it happens will be as at a certain
point in time, and won't include any new bus stops since that time?
I'm asking because a bus route has changed in the last week or so that now
passes my house both ways instead of just one way and rather than add bus st
2009/4/3 Thomas Wood :
> 2009/4/3 Brian Prangle :
>> Hi Thomas
>>
>> From our west mids meeting last night a number of requests and queries came
>> up
>>
>> 1.Can you import Wolverhampton - the guys up there are ready to have a crack
>
> Ok, done.
(This is complete with Bearing and CUS tagged, wh
2009/4/3 Brian Prangle :
> Hi Thomas
>
> From our west mids meeting last night a number of requests and queries came
> up
>
> 1.Can you import Wolverhampton - the guys up there are ready to have a crack
Ok, done.
> 2. Coventry will not be far behind but hold off until we've checked with the
> ma
Hi Thomas
>From our west mids meeting last night a number of requests and queries came
up
1.Can you import Wolverhampton - the guys up there are ready to have a crack
2. Coventry will not be far behind but hold off until we've checked with the
major contributors there
3. We'd like to see the NaP
In message <49d135f1.9010...@00l.de>
Gerrit Lammert wrote:
> Hi.
> I'm exited to see how this works out.
> Beeing curious, I just zoomed in into Birmingham and noticed two things:
> 1) Imported stops seem to be close to the already mapped ones but off by
> some meters
> 2) Some Streets
Hi.
I'm exited to see how this works out.
Beeing curious, I just zoomed in into Birmingham and noticed two things:
1) Imported stops seem to be close to the already mapped ones but off by
some meters
2) Some Streets seem to consist entirely of bus_stops.
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.47983
Thanks to the good folks at UK Department for Transport and Traveline, the
NaPTAN data import (principally of Bus stops) has started. Birmingham is
being used as an initial trial to check out any issues before the main bulk
of the upload takes place.
Thanks go to Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) for conve
Hi Thomas
I think we reckoned on 7,000 in the West Mids so approx 4000 for Birmingham
sounds about right. Looks like you're making good progress
Regards
Brian
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2009/3/19 Thomas Wood :
> - Run a conversion and filter on the West Midlands data set for just
> items in Birmingham.
I've now written the filtering code for the converter script, I think
all that's left to be done is to test the file upload against a test
OSM api, to check that the bulk_upload s
I'll also add that there's a googlemail account for use as a
forwarding box that's associated with the NaPTAN OSMaccount and also
the journeyweb NaPTAN data download user account (username:
OpenStreetMap). I won't post the address here for spam reasons.
The secondary password holder will recieve al
2009/3/19 Peter Miller :
>
> On 19 Mar 2009, at 17:18, Thomas Wood wrote:
>
>> Yes, this is the first message since the confirmation we can use the data.
>>
>> I did a little more tweaking to the StopArea code at the weekend (not
>> that it matters for the WestMids data).
>>
>> I propose we now do
On 19 Mar 2009, at 17:18, Thomas Wood wrote:
> Yes, this is the first message since the confirmation we can use the
> data.
>
> I did a little more tweaking to the StopArea code at the weekend (not
> that it matters for the WestMids data).
>
> I propose we now do the following:
> - Download the
Yes, this is the first message since the confirmation we can use the data.
I did a little more tweaking to the StopArea code at the weekend (not
that it matters for the WestMids data).
I propose we now do the following:
- Download the whole NaPTAN dataset, so to simplify the update
process in th
Hi all
has there been any progress with the NaPTAN import yet? The list has
been very quiet recently.
I started programming the visual merge tool but I have not yet reached
a point where there is something to show. I decided not to modify the
busstop data in the osm database directly but to keep a
Prangle
Sent: 09 March 2009 10:00
To: talk-transit@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN import
Hi everyone
Summarising where I believe we've got to:
1. Thomas: schedule for completion - we're entirely in your hands -
agree it's best to avoid the API update.
2. Birm
To: talk-transit@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN import
Hi everyone
Summarising where I believe we've got to:
1. Thomas: schedule for completion - we're entirely in your hands - agree
it's best to avoid the API update.
2. Birmingham only for test import
3. No h
Hi everyone
Summarising where I believe we've got to:
1. Thomas: schedule for completion - we're entirely in your hands - agree
it's best to avoid the API update.
2. Birmingham only for test import
3. No highway=bus_stop tags, enabling us to merge/verify existing OSM data (
Christophe's visual to
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