Hello Tony,
Friday, December 24, 2004, 2:11:21 PM, you wrote:
What really fascinates me is the amount of people who want everything for
nothing regardless of the cost to anyone else.
I don't expect anything for nothing, if I like something I pay for it. If I
can
get something for
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@ @ at 11:00:21 +, when MFPA wrote:
On Sunday 26 December 2004 at 6:02:09 PM, Mica Mijatovic wrote:
So, those who use *gmail* for *private* correspondence may simply use
crypto, and no fuss no problem.
Hi
On Sunday 26 December 2004 at 6:02:09 PM, Mica Mijatovic wrote:
So, those who use *gmail* for *private* correspondence may simply use
crypto, and no fuss no problem. Isn't that obvious?
And the recipient then archives a plaintext version to facilitate
text searches...
--
Best regards,
Hello Thomas,
Sunday, December 26, 2004, 1:12:15 PM, you wrote:
W Fact is you don't actually have to pay for software anymore if you
W really don't want to because there are hacks and cracks out there for
W pretty much anything, including TB.
TF That's true. You also don't have to pay for
Hello MFPA!
On Monday, December 27, 2004, 5:00 AM, you wrote:
So, those who use *gmail* for *private* correspondence may simply use
crypto, and no fuss no problem. Isn't that obvious?
And the recipient then archives a plaintext version to facilitate
text searches...
:) But at least Google
On Thursday, December 23, 2004, 8:13:27 PM, Peter wrote in message:
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
P I simply do not get why people would want to get bombarded with ads in a
P potentially privacy infringing environment when you can get your own
P domain with e-mail for very few money.
My thoughts
Hi
On Monday 27 December 2004 at 11:20:16 AM, Mary Bull wrote in Message-ID
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
So, those who use *gmail* for *private* correspondence may simply use
crypto, and no fuss no problem. Isn't that obvious?
And the recipient then archives a plaintext version to facilitate
text
Hello MFPA!
On Monday, December 27, 2004, 6:24 AM, you wrote:
:) But at least Google has not parsed your text, which you sent as an
innocent bystander, non-Gmail-member.
Small comfort, I guess.
Unless the location of the archive is a Gmail account.
:woe: There *is* that!
No way to
Hello Watcher,
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:23:54 -0500 GMT (27/12/2004, 01:23 +0700 GMT),
Watcher wrote:
Well, I do have an issue with such things as theft.
W I do as well, but that was not my point.
Sounded like it, though.
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Cheers,
Thomas.
Ein Computerfreak wird die Zeit, die der
On Saturday, December 25, 2004 at 10:53:43 PM [GMT -0500], Thomas
Fernandez wrote:
I'm not sure what you are saying. If you are saying that any message
that you receive from me (either by TO, CC or BCC) is your and you
can do with it what you want, that's OK with me.
Right.
I didn't send it
Hello Sean,
Saturday, December 25, 2004, 6:26:11 AM, you wrote:
Yeah I just got 6 to get rid of, anyone please PLEASE :)
Pretend you are dead. Maybe they will not bother you anymore. (-:
SR ROTFL, yeah that would be one way :)
Personally, I like to them to grow in number. Once a week I
Hello Watcher,
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:02:37 -0500 GMT (25/12/2004, 17:02 +0700 GMT),
Watcher wrote:
W Fact is you don't actually have to pay for software anymore if you
W really don't want to because there are hacks and cracks out there for
W pretty much anything, including TB.
That's true.
Hello Allie,
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 07:45:58 -0500 GMT (25/12/2004, 19:45 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:
AM OTOH, GMail offers a service, and offerings like that on a mass scale,
AM are never charitable. They make money. In this case it's from
AM advertising and parsing of the mail of their
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@ @ at 05:32:47 -0500, when Allie Martin wrote:
I know that the ISP can read the email anyway, very much like the post
office can read a postcard. I am not sure
Hello Allie,
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 05:32:47 -0500 GMT (26/12/2004, 17:32 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:
AM Yes. We do have a responsibility towards the privacy of the other
AM parties when handling those messages we've received.
Thanks for agreeing.
Having said all that, I agree that once the
On Sunday, December 26, 2004 at 1:02:09 PM [GMT -0500], Mica wrote:
I mean, all this talk about privacy on post cards seems to me so amazing
and hilarious that I *had* to say something,
I hear you then... :)
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Cheers,
-= Allie =-
. Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm
Friday, December 24, 2004, 11:04:30 AM, you wrote:
AM If there's a security issue .. fine. However, being sick about the
AM money making part makes no sense from where I'm sitting.
I would agree with you. Google is a business they exist to make
money not provide people with free e-mail. I
Hello Diego,
Sunday, December 26, 2004, 11:40:46 AM, you wrote:
Hello Sean,
Saturday, December 25, 2004, 6:26:11 AM, you wrote:
Yeah I just got 6 to get rid of, anyone please PLEASE :)
Pretend you are dead. Maybe they will not bother you anymore. (-:
SR ROTFL, yeah that would be one way
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@ @ at 13:59:38 -0500, when Allie Martin wrote:
Mica wrote:
I mean, all this talk about privacy on post cards seems to me so
amazing and hilarious that I *had*
Hello Chris,
Friday, December 24, 2004, 6:55:11 PM, you wrote:
Allie Martin @ 2004-Dec-24 6:30:28 AM
G-Mail... Again! mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you PGP/MIME or S/MIME sign your messages to TBOT, the ads will not
appear as footers.
That may work on TBOT, but not on other Yahoo Group lists
Hello Watcher,
Friday, December 24, 2004, 3:25:42 PM, you wrote:
Hello Tony,
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004, at 09:57:28 [GMT +] (10:24 AM here) you
wrote:
TF I just don't like them to parse my emails for marketing purposes.
I'm not sure they do. Everyone keeps on about G-Mail adverts etc. and
Hello Tony,
Friday, December 24, 2004, 8:13:47 PM, you wrote:
Hello Chris,
A reminder of what Chris on TBUDL typed on:
24 December 2004 at 19:56:20 GMT +0100
C People
C using other e-mail clients, especially Outlook Express, freak out when
C they get a PGP/MIME message.
Ah bless :)
Hello Mica,
Friday, December 24, 2004, 2:15:32 PM, you wrote:
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@ @ at 13:07:34 +, when Sean Rima wrote:
Hello Tony,
Hello Leif,
Q Also, what's the
Hæ!
Friday, December 24, 2004, 23:26, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
I have my own domain. I pay money for it. Thats my decision.
However, I have no choice with Google scanning my mails to show ads
to the recipient. For me, and maybe for me alone, thats a completely
different league.
What about
Hello Thorvald Neumann everyone else,
on 25-Dez-2004 at 11:35 you (Thorvald Neumann) wrote:
I have my own domain. I pay money for it. Thats my decision. However, I
have no choice with Google scanning my mails to show ads to the
recipient. For me, and maybe for me alone, thats a completely
Hello Allie Martin everyone else,
on 25-Dez-2004 at 06:18 you (Allie Martin) wrote:
I back up *my* mail. *My* e-mail, and not all the mail of which copies
were sent to me and that aren't really mine. :) If you send me a message,
the message I get is mine, isn't it?
I do have the feeling
On Saturday, December 25, 2004 at 7:23:52 AM [GMT -0500], Alexander S.
Kunz wrote:
I do have the feeling however that your ethics wouldn't allow you to use
the mail you received, or parts thereof, to create an income. And I hope
I'm not wrong.
Sure. I'm not providing a service to others.
Hello Allie,
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:18:18 -0500 GMT (25/12/2004, 12:18 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:
*you* get a free service, and then I send you an email, they will
parse *my* email as well. I never agreed to that, so what do you want
to answer to me? Is it still only up to you?
AM I
Hello Thomas,
A reminder of what Thomas Fernandez on TBUDL typed on:
24 December 2004 at 02:56:17 GMT +0100
TF I just don't like them to parse my emails for marketing purposes.
I'm not sure they do. Everyone keeps on about G-Mail adverts etc. and I can't
remember ever seeing any or
On Thursday, December 23, 2004 at 11:39:14 PM [GMT -0500], Watcher
wrote:
I've been looking at Thunderbird, looks fine but I ca't see why you
would want to have it AND TB... Just curious.
Long and bitter battles with TB! IMAP. I have it working reasonably
well at home here. Annoying problems
On Friday, December 24, 2004 at 4:57:28 AM [GMT -0500], Tony Boom
wrote:
Take a look at the adverts you get tagged onto the bottom of TBOT
Yahoo posts.
Practice good e-mail security and you won't see them. ;)
--
Cheers,
-= Allie =-
. Overload--core meltdown sequence initiated.
Hello Allie!
On Friday, December 24, 2004, 5:18 AM, you wrote:
Take a look at the adverts you get tagged onto the bottom of TBOT
Yahoo posts.
Practice good e-mail security and you won't see them.
Allie, what do you mean? I thought those came with the territory on
TBOT. With people whose cut
On Friday, December 24, 2004 at 6:25:13 AM [GMT -0500], Mary Bull
wrote:
Practice good e-mail security and you won't see them.
Allie, what do you mean?
If you PGP/MIME or S/MIME sign your messages to TBOT, the ads will not
appear as footers.
--
Cheers,
-= Allie =-
. Oxymoron: Too Many
Hello Allie!
On Friday, December 24, 2004, 5:30 AM, you wrote:
Practice good e-mail security and you won't see them.
Allie, what do you mean?
If you PGP/MIME or S/MIME sign your messages to TBOT, the ads will not
appear as footers.
Ah! Okay, thanks a mil!! I shall put that into my TBOT
Hi, Bat folks,
on Fri, 24 Dec 2004 at 06:30:28 GMT -0500 (which was Friday, December
24, 2004, 12:30 where I live) Allie Martin wrote the following lines
regarding G-Mail... Again!:
AM On Friday, December 24, 2004 at 6:25:13 AM [GMT -0500], Mary Bull
AM wrote:
Practice good e-mail security
Thomas,
On 24-12-2004 02:58, you [TF] wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
TF It's a marketing technique.
(snip)
My point exactly regarding all you wrote.
I would never want an account there as I see a large potential for data
mining and advertising run amok. Not to mention I have concerns about
Hello Andreas!
On Friday, December 24, 2004, 6:01 AM, you wrote:
How can I do that via template?
Is it enough to include %SIGNCOMPLETE in my message template?
Yes. That's all you need, if you have OpenPGP enabled in
Account/Properties/Options (main window).
I just added it to my Reply and
Hello Tony,
Thursday, December 23, 2004, 7:09:18 PM, you wrote:
Hello Leif,
A reminder of what Leif Gregory on TBUDL typed on:
23 December 2004 at 19:22:40 GMT +0100
Q Also, what's the address of the TB! archives, Gmail and the other
Q one?
Talking of which, I now have another
Hello Thomas Fernandez everyone else,
I promised myself to not get into such a discussion again, but there I
go... :-)
on 24-Dez-2004 at 02:53 you (Thomas Fernandez) wrote:
I just don't like them to parse my emails for marketing purposes
You can't do a thing about it. Problem is *sending* a
Hi, Bat folks,
on Fri, 24 Dec 2004 at 06:10:54 GMT -0600 (which was Friday, December
24, 2004, 13:10 where I live) Mary Bull wrote the following lines
regarding G-Mail... Again!:
MB Hello Andreas!
MB On Friday, December 24, 2004, 6:01 AM, you wrote:
How can I do that via template
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@ @ at 13:07:34 +, when Sean Rima wrote:
Hello Tony,
Hello Leif,
Q Also, what's the address of the TB! archives, Gmail and the other
Q one?
Talking of
Hello Watcher,
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:25:42 -0500 GMT (24/12/2004, 22:25 +0700 GMT),
Watcher wrote:
TF I just don't like them to parse my emails for marketing purposes.
I'm not sure they do.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/08/gmail_germany/
And on https://gmail.google.com/ they say:
Hello Allie,
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:10:27 -0500 GMT (24/12/2004, 09:10 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:
It's a marketing technique. [...] Gmail doesn't need to advertise,
you do it all for them.
AM Hmmm. You seem to be unto something there. I can certainly see that
AM working very well as it
On Friday, December 24, 2004 at 8:39:03 AM [GMT -0500], Alexander S.
Kunz wrote:
I just hate it that *google* earns money by scanning *my* mails and
showing text relevant ads to the recipient (if he/she uses the web
interface and not POP3, ok, noticed...). Someone out there is
earning money
Allie Martin @ 2004-Dec-24 6:30:28 AM
G-Mail... Again! mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you PGP/MIME or S/MIME sign your messages to TBOT, the ads will not
appear as footers.
That may work on TBOT, but not on other Yahoo Group lists. People
using other e-mail clients, especially Outlook Express
Hello Andreas,
A reminder of what Andreas Schwartmann on TBUDL typed on:
24 December 2004 at 15:11:05 GMT +0100
AS Well, let' see, if it works here, too. :-)
It did.
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Message composed
Hello Watcher,
A reminder of what Watcher on TBUDL typed on:
24 December 2004 at 16:26:36 GMT +0100
W They make money on it or they would't do it, simple as that.
So you get up for work every day, do a hard days work whatever it is and you
don't expect to get paid for it?
How many
Hello Allie,
A reminder of what Allie Martin on TBUDL typed on:
24 December 2004 at 19:05:41 GMT +0100
AM This isn't making much sense.
AM I pay my ISP so that I can get Internet connectivity to view your
AM messages. They make money off doing that. My agreement to pay my ISP
AM has nothing
Hello Chris,
A reminder of what Chris on TBUDL typed on:
24 December 2004 at 19:56:20 GMT +0100
C People
C using other e-mail clients, especially Outlook Express, freak out when
C they get a PGP/MIME message.
Ah bless :)
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Best regards,Tony.
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@ @ at 13:55:11 -0500, when Chris wrote:
Allie Martin:
If you PGP/MIME or S/MIME sign your messages to TBOT, the ads will not
appear as footers.
That may work
Hello Allie Martin everyone else,
on 24-Dez-2004 at 19:04 you (Allie Martin) wrote:
I don't see the difference from a money-making POV. Yahoogroups is an
ad driven service that is offered at no cash cost to users. Yahoo
makes money off the messages you send to TBOT. shrug
If there's a
Hello Tony,
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:11:21 + GMT (25/12/2004, 03:11 +0700 GMT),
Tony Boom wrote:
W They make money on it or they would't do it, simple as that.
TB So you get up for work every day, do a hard days work whatever it
TB is and you don't expect to get paid for it?
No, I understand
Hello Allie,
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:04:30 -0500 GMT (25/12/2004, 01:04 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:
AM I don't see the difference from a money-making POV. Yahoogroups is an
AM ad driven service that is offered at no cash cost to users. Yahoo
AM makes money off the messages you send to TBOT.
On Friday, December 24, 2004 at 11:50:40 PM [GMT -0500], Thomas
Fernandez wrote:
Right, it's up to you. I myself prefer to pay for a good service
rather than allow them to parse my email so they can personalise
ads. The problem is that when you agree to them parsing your email so
*you* get a
On Friday, December 24, 2004 at 11:56:06 PM [GMT -0500], Thomas
Fernandez wrote:
The first difference is that Yahoo adds random ads, while Gmail parses
your emails to add personalised ads that are relevant to you.
The second difference is that for public mailing lists, I would have
little
Hello Leif,
A reminder of what Leif Gregory on TBUDL typed on:
23 December 2004 at 19:22:40 GMT +0100
Q Also, what's the address of the TB! archives, Gmail and the other
Q one?
Talking of which, I now have another 12, yes twelve more invites to give away.
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Best regards,Tony.
Hi Tony Boom,
On 23/12/2004 02:09 PM, you wrote:
Talking of which, I now have another 12, yes twelve more invites to
give away.
If I take one, does this mean that I'll be caught in that cycle of
having all those invites to give out? :)
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-= Allie =-
Oxymoron: Sit up.
Using ThunderBird
Hello AC,
Thursday, December 23, 2004, 12:39:11 PM, you wrote:
A If I take one, does this mean that I'll be caught in that cycle of
A having all those invites to give out? :)
Unfortunately, yes... It's getting bad. It used to be you'd only get
invites every once in a while. Now you can't get rid
Hi Leif Gregory,
On 23/12/2004 02:40 PM, you wrote:
Unfortunately, yes... It's getting bad. It used to be you'd only get
invites every once in a while. Now you can't get rid of them fast
enough.
They should just open it up to self registration now. :-|
One wonders why they didn't do that
Allie,
On 23-12-2004 20:48, you [A] wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
They should just open it up to self registration now. :-|
A One wonders why they didn't do that before.
This is the biggest MLM-scheme I have seen for a long time over
something that to me is very ill-conceived for a lot of
Hi
On Thursday 23 December 2004 at 7:40:05 PM, Leif Gregory wrote:
Hello AC,
Thursday, December 23, 2004, 12:39:11 PM, you wrote:
A If I take one, does this mean that I'll be caught in that cycle of
A having all those invites to give out? :)
Unfortunately, yes... It's getting bad. It used
Hello AC,
A reminder of what AC Martin on TBUDL typed on:
23 December 2004 at 20:39:46 GMT +0100
AM If I take one, does this mean that I'll be caught in that cycle of
AM having all those invites to give out?
You don't have to give them away. Every time I do I get more. In fact I had
Hello Leif,
A reminder of what Leif Gregory on TBUDL typed on:
23 December 2004 at 20:43:45 GMT +0100
LG They should just open it up to self registration now. :-|
No point, Allie is the only person on the planet that has refused an invite,
everyone else already has 6 of their own :)
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Hello Peter,
A reminder of what Peter Fjelsten on TBUDL typed on:
23 December 2004 at 21:16:17 GMT +0100
PF OK, I'll stop now - this whole GMail discussion should probably not
PF start up again...
Least not on TBUDL.
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Best regards,Tony.
On Thursday, December 23, 2004 at 6:08:21 PM [GMT -0500], Tony Boom
wrote:
You don't have to give them away. Every time I do I get more. In
fact I had three left and they added another 3 before I could get
rid of them.
Do you want one to play with?
I pass. I have my hands more than full
Hello Tony,
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:09:32 + GMT (24/12/2004, 06:09 +0700 GMT),
Tony Boom wrote:
LG They should just open it up to self registration now. :-|
TB No point, Allie is the only person on the planet that has refused an
invite,
TB everyone else already has 6 of their own :)
I
Hello Peter,
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:13:27 +0100 GMT (24/12/2004, 03:13 +0700 GMT),
Peter Fjelsten wrote:
PF I simply do not get why people would want to get bombarded with ads in a
PF potentially privacy infringing environment when you can get your own
PF domain with e-mail for very few money.
On Thursday, December 23, 2004 at 8:58:19 PM [GMT -0500], Thomas
Fernandez wrote:
It's a marketing technique. If you get invited by a friend, you
are more likely to subscribe and use that service than if they
openend it for free registration on their website. You trust your
friend, so you
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