Can someone actually explain what GMane is!
Is it a Newsgroup, some private forum, a Yahoo! group ?
Do we change anything here or do we just continue reading / responding
to message as they arise like now?
Later: Having Googled for GMane I now see that it is a News group
thing. There does seem
Hi T'Buddlers,
Well, having asked for objections to the idea of reflecting the TB
lists to GMane to provide access to the list in a News format, we
haven't received any that stood up to scrutiny.
As such, we (the mods) are giving notice that we intend to enable
the GMane feed on Wednesday. That s
On Monday, March 8, 2004, 4:50:46 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
MDP> One thing that we feel duty bound to do here is to provide you
MDP> with clear instructions for the use of the X-No-Archive header
MDP> for those that *really* don't want their posts echoed to this
MDP> pretty well spam-safe news
Deborah W wrote:
I'm also not satisfied with "pretty well spam-safe" (especially when
it was "zero spam risks" only a few days ago) so I won't be
posting. Yes, I know that nothing is spam-safe - but this is where my
line is drawn.
Let's say Deborah, that with the current GMane setup, you're as lik
Hello Deborah,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 10:06:53 AM, you wrote:
Deborah> Can I add a reminder that the X-No-Archive header only
Deborah> ensures your original post isn't archived? If someone quotes
Deborah> you, and they don't use the X-No-Archive header, whatever
Deborah> they quote will be archive
Dear Rich,
@8-Mar-2004, 12:46 -0500 (08-Mar 17:46 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
MDP>> ... instructions for the use of the X-No-Archive header for those
MDP>> that *really* don't want their posts echoed ...
MDP>> In your TB-list reply template, add the following:
MDP>>
Monday, March 8, 2004, 10:50:46 AM, you wrote:
> Hi T'Buddlers,
> Well, having asked for objections to the idea of reflecting the TB
> lists to GMane to provide access to the list in a News format, we
> haven't received any that stood up to scrutiny.
Marck, I missed most of the original discussi
Hi Marck,
on Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:50:46 +GMT, you wrote:
MDP> Well, having asked for objections to the idea of reflecting the TB
MDP> lists to GMane to provide access to the list in a News format, we
MDP> haven't received any that stood up to scrutiny.
I recently set up The Bat! to work for th
Hello Trevor,
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:02:44 + GMT (09/03/2004, 01:02 +0700 GMT),
Trevor Langford wrote:
> Later: Having Googled for GMane I now see that it is a News group
> thing. There does seem to be one major obstacle in that it requires
> you to set your newsreader to news.gmane.org. As m
Monday, March 8, 2004, 12:02:44 PM, you wrote:
> Can someone actually explain what GMane is!
> Is it a Newsgroup, some private forum, a Yahoo! group ?
> Do we change anything here or do we just continue reading / responding
> to message as they arise like now?
> Later: Having Googled for GMane
Hello Leif,
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:55:00 -0700 GMT (09/03/2004, 00:55 +0700 GMT),
Leif Gregory wrote:
> Your e-mail address will be encrypted and overly difficult for
> spammers to harvest.
[...]
> You've got three heavy duty geeks (the mods) at least who think this
> is a viable idea with very
Hello Jack,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 11:11:54 AM, you wrote:
Jack> 1. Does this mean that tbudl will now become an official Usenet
Jack> *newsgroup?
On Gmane's servers, yes.
Jack> 2. Can one subscribe to it as one would normally subscribe to
Jack> any other Usenet newsgroup?
Not in the newsgroup
Hello Thomas,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 11:20:56 AM, you wrote:
>> *We believe the spam risk through Gmane to be the same or even less
>> than the current list archives already in place.*
Thomas> I'll keep that as a sig, just in case, if you don't mind. ;-)
Uhmmm, let me copyright that real quick..
Dear Jack,
@8-Mar-2004, 12:11 -0600 (08-Mar 18:11 UK time) Jack Morrison [JM]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:
JM> Marck, I missed most of the original discussions regarding this
JM> subject, so I have a few questions.
Okay - shoot.
JM> 1. Does this mean that tbudl will now become an of
Hello Leif,
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:35:00 -0700 GMT (09/03/2004, 01:35 +0700 GMT),
Leif Gregory wrote:
> They are planning to eventually pump these feeds into mainstream
> usenet.
Oh...
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Cheers,
Thomas.
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SYMPTOM: Beer unusually pale and tastel
On Monday, March 8, 2004, 1:36 PM, you wrote:
this looks like a good message to ( start) adding this Gmane info to THE
FAQ:)
MDP> @8-Mar-2004, 12:11 -0600 (08-Mar 18:11 UK time) Jack Morrison [JM]
MDP> in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:
JM>> Marck, I missed most of the original discussio
m your post ]
| X-No-Archive: Yes
| MIME-Version: 1.0
| Subject: Re: GMane - here we come
`--
You did it right.
No, the %- means not to put a new line. Without it, it really becomes
apparent when you have macros above everything else in the template.
You get all sorts of blank lines above you
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Hello Dirigo,
On 08 March 2004, 14:28 -0500 (08/03/200419:28 local time) Dirigo [D] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 3). In your TB-list reply template, add the following:
>> %SetHeader("X-No-Archive","Yes")%-
D> I have followed your instructions
Hello rich,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 12:11:53 PM, you wrote:
rich> How is this done, can we see some examples of this in action
rich> BEFOE we panic?
Absorutery Raggy!
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.test/1341
I just picked this one at random because it shows the encrypted URL.
So, here's what y
Dear Jack,
@8-Mar-2004, 13:22 -0600 (08-Mar 19:22 UK time) Jack Morrison [JM]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:
>> Okay - shoot.
JM> I come in peace. :)
(phew!)
>> The Gmane newsgroup server will carry an archive of all
>> archive-able posts the TBUDL (and others).
JM> I'm a little con
Hello Thomas,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 11:46:41 AM, you wrote:
>> They are planning to eventually pump these feeds into mainstream
>> usenet.
Thomas> Oh...
Still with encrypted addresses, and I believe they will offer us the
option of whether we want that to happen with our lists. We will be
looki
Hi Leif,
on Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:36:30 -0700GMT, you wrote:
LG> No, the %- means not to put a new line. Without it, it really becomes
LG> apparent when you have macros above everything else in the template.
LG> You get all sorts of blank lines above your text.
LG>
LG>
LG>
LG> --
LG> Leif (TB li
Hello Peter,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 2:23:33 PM, you wrote:
LG>>
LG>> --
LG>> Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user).
Peter> Or below... ;-)
You scared the heck out of me... I just rebuilt my box and I
thought... "Oh no!!! I screwed up my sig delimiter!" I checked my post
and it was all
Dear Rich,
@8-Mar-2004, 17:00 -0500 (08-Mar 22:00 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
RG> The page you cite mentions a header tweak: X-Archive: encrypt
You don't need this - the whole list will be encrypted.
RG> If TBUDL is broken is this some attempt to fix it?
RG> If it'
Hello rich,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 3:00:54 PM, you wrote:
rich> The page you cite mentions a header tweak: X-Archive: encrypt
Sorry, should have explained better. The message itself was
irrelevant, I chose that particular one because it was the first one I
ran across that had the encrypted e-mail
Hello Jack,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 12:20:26 PM, you wrote:
Jack> Gmane generates e-mail, too?
No... Gmane has the ability to allow someone to post to the
list via posting to the newsgroup. However, we are not doing this as
it will allow bad stuff to possibly happen (spam etc.) However, many
news
On Monday, March 8, 2004, 3:43 PM, you wrote:
LG> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.test/1341
LG> I just picked this one at random because it shows the encrypted URL.
nice! even colorblind I can read his real email!! good thing it wasn't
the colored bubble test, I wouldnt be able to read it
and
Trevor Langford, [TL] wrote:
TL> Can someone actually explain what GMane is!
Go to www.gmane.org where it's fully described. There was a recent
long thread about it, titled 'Time for a Newsgroup?'
TL> Later: Having Googled for GMane I now see that it is a News group
TL> thing. There does seem to
Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:
JM> I'm a little confused about what archive means here. Will posts made
JM> to tbudl be mirrored over to this new newsgroup as they occur? Or in
JM> some kind of weekly/daily digest?
Why not visit www.gmane.org and look at a couple of the newsgroups via
the web inter
Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:
JM> Rich, here's a pretty good explanation of how it works, but I
JM> agree, seeing is believing:
JM> http://gmane.org/tmda.php
Just subscribe to one of the lists there and inspect a few of the
messages. In that way, you'll see it so you can believe it or not. :)
--
Hello Paul,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 4:42:28 PM, you wrote:
Paul> and I searched and didn't find TBUDL as a group, aren't we in
Paul> there, or doesn't it start til Wed.??
Nope, we aren't planning to do it till Wednesday.
--
Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user).
Using The Bat! 2.04.4
Hello Allie,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 1:25:00 PM, you wrote:
Allie> Well, you can continue reading list mail as you do now. The
Allie> newsgroup mirror will be just another way to read the list
Allie> traffic. It's read only.
Allie and Leif time lag tag team. Allie's in, I'm out. See you all
tomorr
Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:
JM> Could it be that the newsgroup (the one that will mirror tbudl)
JM> hasn't actually been created yet?
,- / Marck in his initial message announcing plans \
| As such, we (the mods) are giving notice that we intend to enable
| the GMane feed on Wednesday.
`-
Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:
JM> The application requests the following info:
That application is for us who wish to mirror the list traffic and not
for you. :)
All you have to do is point your newsserver to news.gmane.org,
download the list of groups there, find the list you wish to subscribe
to
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
> As such, we (the mods) are giving notice that we intend to enable
> the GMane feed on Wednesday. That still gives you folks 2 days to
> either brace yourselves, object strongly or look forward with eager
> anticipation.
My reaction isn't exactly any of those things, bu
George Mitchell, [GM] wrote:
GM> Also, rational or not, the list will undoubtedly lose some
GM> posters. Perhaps we will gain others through GMane, but my gut
GM> tells me it will be a net loss.
Perhaps this may have happened if we had just informed the group,
without prior discussion that the li
Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:
>> Just subscribe to one of the lists there and inspect a few of the
>> messages. In that way, you'll see it so you can believe it or not. :)
JM> I'm doing just that, Allie,
I was inaccurate there. Address encryption is optional on a list
mailing list to GMane subscrip
Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:
JM> I'm sorry, Allie, I guess I wasn't clear.
JM> I'd like the information for *my* own purposes,
Ah, I see. :)
JM> I would just like for someone to tell me what Gmane is wanting when
JM> they ask for the mail list's *address,* if you happen to know.
They just wish t
Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:
JM> Okay, I'm still confused.
JM> I have already "subscribed" to a couple of Gmane lists(just to read
JM> them), but I haven't tried to post to them yet.
JM> When (or how) do I get a chance to set this NOMAIL feature?
JM> And what exactly does the NOMAIL feature mean?
On Monday, March 8, 2004, 5:55:00 PM, Leif wrote in message:
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
L> You've got three heavy duty geeks (the mods) at least who think this
L> is a viable idea with very minimal risk.
I'd like to say that, despite being leery as I am about
usenet/open newsgroups, I feel this is wor
Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:
JM> So, if on "my list," one needed to send a message to
JM> [EMAIL PROTECTED] to have it posted, that's the address they want?
Yes.
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Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:
JM> And I would hit the reply button on my newsreader and send them to the
JM> same place, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?
Yes.
JM> Or to this yet-to-be-named newsgroup's address?
No. We'll be making this not possible. We still wish list traffic to
come via list subscriptions onl
* Leif Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Just one remark ...
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.test/1341
*This* is exactly how a link to an archive should look like.
And â everyone who compares the current archive's (IMHO close to
unusable) web frontend with Gmane's Loom has to admit that Gman
* Leif Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
> *We believe the spam risk through Gmane to be the same or even less
> than the current list archives already in place.*
The current list archive can easily be harvested. I wrote some time
earlier (sorry, I have no Message-ID) how that can be done
* Leif Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello Thomas, Monday, March 8, 2004, 11:46:41 AM, you wrote:
>>> They are planning to eventually pump these feeds into mainstream
>>> usenet.
> Thomas> Oh...
> Still with encrypted addresses, and I believe they will offer us the
> option of whether we
Hi there Leif,
Just ONE little clarification.
On 23:22 08.03.2004, you [Leif Gregory] wrote...
> provided your From address is set to that which you have subscribed to
> the TB list, your message will post to the list and in doing so get
> posted to Gmane.
Please, anyone, do not try to subscrib
* Allie Martin writes:
> Carsten Thönges wrote:
> CT> The current list archive can easily be harvested. I wrote some time
> CT> earlier (sorry, I have no Message-ID) how that can be done using
> CT> some common tools like wget and sed.
> I've examined the source of a couple of those messages that
Hello Anne,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 8:48:55 PM, you wrote:
Anne> I'd like to say that, despite being leery as I am about
Anne> usenet/open newsgroups, I feel this is worth a try. I've had a
Anne> good look at all the Gmane options and it seems as secure as
Anne> anything online can be. If we want t
Carsten Thönges wrote:
Look at HTML source of that page and you'll see:
No encryption at all and very easy to grab.
I see what you mean. :)
--
Cheers,
Allie
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Hello Leif!
On Tuesday, March 09, 2004, 8:48 AM, you wrote:
Anne>> ... If we want total security we need to
Anne>> unplug our modems and stay off the internet! :)
LG> That's what we like to hear!!
This is my "me too" message. Except for the extensive check of Gmane
which Anne did, I echo her 1
Carsten Thönges wrote:
Look at HTML source of that page and you'll see:
No encryption at all and very easy to grab.
I see what you mean. :)
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Hello Allie,
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:31:03 -0500 GMT (09/03/2004, 09:31 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:
> We first did our research and assessed GMane's security ourselves
> since we don't exactly enjoy being spammed; neither do we wish to have
> our membership end up being spammed on account of ou
Hello Thomas,
Tuesday, March 9, 2004, 10:38:45 AM, you wrote:
Thomas> Please tell me you didn't just believe the theory on Gmane's
Thomas> own (marketing) website but have been subscribed for a while
Thomas> to a list mirrored via Gmane and talk from experience.
Yes, I did.
--
Leif (TB list
Hello Mary,
Tuesday, March 9, 2004, 8:00:45 AM, you wrote:
Mary> I simply put my total trust in you, Leif, and Marck and Allie.
That trust wouldn't happen to extend to your bank account would it?
;-)
Mary> That is completely apparent to even the most casual glance and
Mary> consideration. And y
--> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi there Leif,
> Just ONE little clarification.
> On 23:22 08.03.2004, you [Leif Gregory] wrote...
>> provided your From address is set to that which you have subscribed to
>> the TB list, your message will post to the list and in doing so get
>> posted to Gmane.
Dear "tb",
On 03:52 10.03.2004, you [tb] wrote...
>> [1] TDMA-style "confirmations" will break your list subscribtion
>> management (subscribe, monthly reminders, etc).
> TMDA breaks what you make it break. Just my clarification.
Gmane.org does not provide a whitelisting capability for people
Monday, March 8, 2004, 12:36:37 PM, you wrote:
> Dear Jack,
> @8-Mar-2004, 12:11 -0600 (08-Mar 18:11 UK time) Jack Morrison [JM]
> in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:
JM>> Marck, I missed most of the original discussions regarding this
JM>> subject, so I have a few questions.
> Okay - shoot
Does anyone have the name of this new Gmane newsgroup yet?
--
Best regards,
Jack
Using The Bat! 2.04.7 on Windows 5.1 (2600) Service Pack 1
Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Monday, March 8, 2004, 1:11:53 PM, you wrote:
>>> Your [GMane] e-mail address will be encrypted and overly difficult
>>> for spammers to harvest.
> How is this done, can we see some examples of this in action BEFOE we
> panic?
Rich, here's a pretty good explanation of how it works, but I agree,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 2:44:09 PM, you wrote:
[]
JM>> Additionally, what kind of posts aren't archive-able?
> Those bearing the header "X-No-Archive: Yes" will not be archived.
So, in other words, if I've added "X-No-Archive: Yes" to my headers,
then the only place where my message will ever app
Monday, March 8, 2004, 12:35:00 PM, you wrote:
> Hello Jack,
> Monday, March 8, 2004, 11:11:54 AM, you wrote:
Jack>> 1. Does this mean that tbudl will now become an official Usenet
Jack>> *newsgroup?
> On Gmane's servers, yes.
Check.
Jack>> 2. Can one subscribe to it as one would normally subs
Hello Leif,
On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 13:43:15 -0700 GMT (3/8/2004, 12:43 PM -0800 GMT),
Leif Gregory wrote:
LG> 1. Once the above link is opened, hover your mouse cursor over the
LG>hyperlink in the FROM line.
LG> 2. Click the hyperlink in the FROM line to see the TMDA in action.
That's pret
Carsten Thönges wrote:
CT> The current list archive can easily be harvested. I wrote some time
CT> earlier (sorry, I have no Message-ID) how that can be done using
CT> some common tools like wget and sed.
CT> Gmane's spam protection is much better than mail-archive's.
I've examined the source of
Hello Allie,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 1:21:45 PM, you wrote:
Allie> You don't. List traffic will still reach your inbox unless you
Allie> set your subscription to NOMAIL.
Ok, just to make this clear to everyone.
*** The TB lists *ARE NOT* going away. ***
If you like getting the TB lists via the w
Hello Leif!
On Tuesday, March 09, 2004, 5:55 PM, you wrote:
Mary>> I simply put my total trust in you, Leif, and Marck and Allie.
LG> That trust wouldn't happen to extend to your bank account would it?
LG> ;-)
Now, which one of you is going to trout me for replying to this
clearly OT turn of th
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