There's a lot in your proposal that makes sense to me, R.D. Many cavers
wonder what it is that the TSA does for them as a member of the organization,
aside from receiving a TxCvr, which for a long time was infrequent at best.
That said, I think we all need to support the TSA as one of i
The subject of having an electronic version of the Texas Caver has been
brought up several times over the last 6 years. We even had a mailout ballot
to
the membership requesting their preference. It came back about 50:50 at the
time indicating that a hardcopy would still be needed to sat
Charles,
Thanks for engaging in discussion. I asked for a civil discussion, and I
hope I participated thusly. I appreciate you sticking your head up and
offering a comeback to my questions, I know your feeling is genuine but I do
feel it strengthed my argument, since your examples are those most T
OK, you are right. I seem to remeber a grant the TSA land fund made to TCMA
when the down payment for Deep/Punkin was being put together. But the
primary purpose of the TSA is not to buy caves, ostensibly not even a
secondary one since they have never bought one. There are two organizations
in the
RD, I'm not trying to be argumentative with all of this, I see a value
and maybe the TSA doesn't properly educate potential members about
what they do. Could they do better, sure!
I have never made a meeting, but I do try to read the meetings notes
and such, that's where I knew all of this inform
The TSA does have funds for land/cave purchase, its invested
currently. I don't know if it was approved, but I do know a grant was
put forth towards the TSA for $1200 to help improve Honey Creek
entrance. The next meeting for TSA will be at CBSP I think, that
alone will support that project, driv
Each grotto has (or should have) a newsletter.
The projects are the result of individual initiative and followup, and could
be done without the help of any organization.
I am not aware of the TSA purchasing land/caves. I know the TCMA and TCC do,
and I support both of those organizations.
Honey Cr
I'll chime in here, as a TSA member and what I see coming out of this
organization. Aside from the obvious, the newsletter, the TSA also
has several projects that are on-going. Land purchase, helping with
Honey Creek, CBSP, TSS, TCR/Spring Convention and others.
I'm sure that I didn't get nearly
Hmm, I can't seem to get this to post righ... let me try this message for
the third time:
Fritz, for the sake of good natured argument, please enumerate said benefits
and the value you place on those.
-Original Message-
From: RD Milhollin [mailto:rdmilhol...@charter.net]
Sent: Wednes
I will never forget the day in the late 70s when I saw Easter Pig standing
on a stump at the Old Timer's Reunion in WestbygawdVirginia. A ruby light was
coming out of his inner ear, and this was long before LEDs! First he spoke of
the Illuminati, then broke into free verse poetry as the crowd
Here is an interesting Karst field-trip to sign up for:
http://karstwaters.org/paleokarst/fieldtrip.html
I think the trip is given by the author of the recent cave geology
book.
It is during the 1st week of June up in the Black Hills
of South Dakota.
It is only $ 175 for students.
David Lockle
This is probably old news to the cavers in Austin:
http://texas.sierraclub.org/austin/genmeetings.html
If I am reading this correctly,
Dr. Jay Banner will be giving a talk on "Karst Aquifers," on
February 5th at the LCRA building.
David Locklear
--
I know there are just a handful of people that are making that
decsion, and another handful that attend the meetings, most members
don't do they?
A request from someone that can't attend meetings easily, can we get
some type of vote from the entire membership on this?
Does the TSA support this ty
click on the slideshow:
http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/texas/preserves/art6399.html
Are there any caves at this Preserve?
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So this topic just went on topic - is there a protocol to handle this? :-)
I think the idea was that a few of us would make some back of the
envelope calculations for a few different ideas and present it back to
the higher authorities. I'm sure the ideas will be posted here at
some point. I nee
-Original Message-
From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:29 PM
To: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Charles Goldsmith
Cc: Kara Savvas; Johnson, Russ (ATX); imoca...@comcast.net; Scott
Nicholson; o...@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [ot_cav
Thanks Charles. I do filter, and I could ignore it, but I won't, and I'll end
up saying something mean and stupid, and we don't need anymore of that.
You do a great job - keep it up! I know lots of people appreciate it, I do.
Take care,
Kara
- Original Message
From: Charles Goldsmit
I hate to see you go, when I get fed up around here, I just quit
reading for a while :) I filter these emails into their own folder,
so read when I want to, out of sight, out of mind otherwise.
texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com and ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
Good luck and come back soo
Can you help me with the unsubscribe address to texascavers? I usually save
those helpful guide emails but I can't find the one for texascavers. I'm sorry
to bug you with that.
I gotta go. I'm just completely pissed off and that isn't good for anyone. No
one will miss me all that terribly anyw
Hey guys, have fun. I gotta go. I can't stand any of this anymore. I'm so mad -
and that isn't productive for anyone, especially not me and the baby. I hate
to be a quitter, but I'm just done with listserv crap. I know you aren't crying
in your beer, but I felt that I owed this list at least a
I know this wouldn't go over, but I would think $25 a year for
electronic and a bit more for a paper newsletter would be best. This
would give the organization more money (dunno if they need more) and
also help cover the rising costs of printing/mailing the newsletter.
On 1/16/08, mark.al...@l-3
That's not a bad idea, Fritz.
Going from $20 a year to $25 wouldn't break anyone's household budget.
Keeping the family membership at $30 seems reasonable.
When was the last time dues were raised? Does anyone here know?
Thanks,
Mark
From: Fritz Holt
DEFINITELY!
-Original Message-
From: Gill Ediger [mailto:gi...@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:43 PM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Dirty Jobs guy
At 08:25 AM 1/16/2008, speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote:
>They apparently took the footage from th
Mark,
Most associations of this type rarely have the necessary funds to meet
obligations and to implement goals. I would resist the idea of any
reductions in the cost of membership and would endorse an increase. The
annual membership cost is too low for the benefits
enjoyed by the members. This i
I had thought about that Mike, however, I'd need to find some software
to do that, I don't have anything currently and it would have to be
done by hand. Not something that I really want to do :)
But I will take a few moments and see if I can find a stats program to
add to the server.
Thanks for
It would still remain in a paper format, Fritz.
You would just have the option of receiving it electronically, instead of in
paper, at a reduced price.
Thanks,
Mark
P.S. - Good idea about the membership application.
From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandc
Thank you for the support
Charles
On 1/16/08, Geary Schindel wrote:
> Charles,
>
> I wanted to say thank you for all your hard work on the Texas Cavers
> list server. I know that most of this work is behind the scenes and
> commonly goes unrecognized and unappreciated. However, Texascavers
> pr
At 08:25 AM 1/16/2008, speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote:
They apparently took the footage from the
recent shoot and made not one but two episodes, to be aired back to
back, from 8:00 pm to 10:00 pm on January 22 (next Tuesday night). The
first episode is titled "Cave Digger" and the second is titled
Somehow I ended up on the TSA format war committee along with
George-Paul of the Houston Grotto. I'm not sure what our strategy
will be. You should hear back from us at some point on this. There
were a few ideas tossed around at the meeting last Saturday, so we
have some stuff to chew on already
"Big Bone Cave and the Caves of Bone Cave Mountain: Cave Exploration,
Descriptions, Cartography, History, and Geologic Features of the Bone
Cave Region, Van Buren County, Tennessee.' John L. Smyre and Ronald L.
Zawislak. Rocky River Press, Rock Island, Tennessee; 2007. ISBN
978-0-9779471-0-
Charles, Thank you for doing a job that few cavers would want to do. I
attempt not to post on Texascavers.org more than two to three times per year.
The postings usually have to do with the death of a caving friend. You do not
want to be the subject of my postings.
Years ago, the Texas cav
Charles,
I wanted to say thank you for all your hard work on the Texas Cavers
list server. I know that most of this work is behind the scenes and
commonly goes unrecognized and unappreciated. However, Texascavers
provides an important service to Texas cavers by acting as a forum to
discuss issue
If they can't take the heat, they should get out of the kitchen! Take
that statement, apply the delete key and move on. Most people don't
seem to get that, so if this solution works, great. I'm glad George
suggested it again, last time I offered to do it, no one spoke up in
favor.
On 1/16/08, D
Let's just give it some time and see. So far I really like it.
This said - I use GMAIL only for cavetex and now ot-cavetex. This makes it
just about perfect.
I have to say I feel a little victorious in this. There were people who got
pissed off in a major way because I foolishly weighed in on my
Thanks for your support :)
Charles
On 1/16/08, Fritz Holt wrote:
> Charles,
> Thanks for the thankless job that you do.
> Fritz
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:25 PM
> To: Fritz Holt
> Cc: Texascavers@te
Charles,
Thanks for the thankless job that you do.
Fritz
-Original Message-
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:25 PM
To: Fritz Holt
Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OTtex vs. Cavetex
Constructive criticism
Constructive criticism is needed, how you present that can go a long
ways towards how it will be received. I don't know how Texas Cavers
are perceived, I've always lived here and been around us, but I've
never heard bad things from other groups.
Are we a bit on the wild side, well yeah, but most
Mark,
As the discussion in question is relevant caving business, I will give
my opinion. I doubt whether few if any cavers are members of
TSA solely to receive The Caver. So, going electronically should not
diminish the membership rolls. Changing the format, making it available
to all with its b
On 1/16/08, Don Cooper wrote:
> Its been on the Discovery channel several times. Cave digger is a rotary
> rasp that cuts through hard clay like butter. More tunnel creation than
> cave.
> Cave Biologist is Jim Kennedy and Mike Rowe trudging through Guano wearing
> ammonia absorbant masks it Bra
Its been on the Discovery channel several times. Cave digger is a rotary rasp
that cuts through hard clay like butter. More tunnel creation than cave.
Cave Biologist is Jim Kennedy and Mike Rowe trudging through Guano wearing
ammonia absorbant masks it Bracken.
I think it was filmed in the summ
All good points Mark, but emailing a large PDF isn't good, instead, have a
members section on the webpage where it could be downloaded. Maverick
grotto has a great setup, for 3 months, a newsletter is on the private
section, after that, it goes to the public one.
I've never attended a TSA meeting
Cavers need to be healthy, right? We need to eat healthy things
and drink healthy things, right?
Is anybody out there drinking a lot of anti-oxidant beverages?
Is it helping?
What do you know about Resvinatrol?
http://www.viladdia.com/gift-ideas/images/Resvinatrol.jpg
I would like to start
Bob,
Your points are well taken. A very few cavers don't care much what other
cavers think of them. I am not one of them. I have said things that I
regret but don't think that I have ever criticized an individual, group
or the job that they are doing.
Criticism, constructive or otherwise, should
Thanks, Charles.
Actually, I have received more compliments than complaints on the TC, so I
shouldn't bitch.
The issue of electronic format versus paper has reared its head more times
than I can count and it is usually the more "chronologically-challenged"
curmudgeons that shoot it down.
Jim Beck passes away
The last time I was in Texas I was asked about Jim Beck aka Easter
Pig. He died this week. Below is the link to his sign log at the
funeral home. After I did a simple log sign I noted few has listed
caving as an activity he did. He was very active in caving in the 60
Please contact me off list. I need your email to forward pictures to
you.
Tammy Cox
Office representative
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Frankie Robbins State Farm Insurance
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Post away, Sleaze!
Whether your posts are on or off topic, they are always an enjoyable
read!
Posters like you are what makes this Listserve such and enjoyable,
unique, and vital resource.
Mark A.
believe it or not there are still people on the list who have modem
dialup. I've understood that to be the reason for no attachments.
It takes forever to download IF the computer will allow it at all.
Links work very well or 'contact me off list' for anything larger
than a message that one wi
I have used Google Earth before but found this interesting. Worth the time to
watch.
Thanks
Quinta
http://historical.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=5000&Lot_No=48368
CAVE BEAR SKELETON
Ursus uralensis
Pleistocene
Russia
The Ice Age cave bear was the largest of all bears, related to but
out sizing today's modern black, brown and polar bears. This imposing
example represents a virtuall
This morning I read an interesting article about the how artificial
hybridization can result in the restoration of sight in otherwise blind Mexican
cave
fish. I was about to provide a link when, to my horror, I realized that such
a posting might offend the Ignorami whose views on caving are
I have had quite a few visitors on the Texas Cave Blog. But only a few
people have signed up.
If you want to join it, let me know, but I think you will need a Yahoo account.
http://360.yahoo.com/profile-5_RNwxg1erAi872DBDvnj4.c5c_D8Q--;_ylt=ApRryEgaH1p9ilRu5cLJYlIkAeJ3?cq=1
David Locklear
If you have an Yahoo account and it has your correct zip-code,
go to Yahoo News.
You will see a new News Section that automatically displays the most
current news for your zip-code.
That is really cool.
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Give this to a friend
I got this from TagNet
WOW! Dirty Jobs Latest
By: Don Hunter (Colbert, Georgia)
I just checked the Discovery Channel's schedule for next week and, lo
and behold, some great news. They apparently took the footage from the
recent shoot and made not one but two episodes, to be aired back
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