sday, January 17, 2008 1:13 PM
To: RD Milhollin
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
RD,
As an old timer and spelunker in years past, I can only speak
for myself as to the perceived benefits of TSA membership. I echo the
thoughts of C
ollin [mailto:rdmilhol...@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:48 PM
To: List: OT-TexasCavers; Fritz Holt
Subject: RE: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
Again Fritz,
I am not bashing anyone or any organization, just passing along my own
views on the question of the cost/benefits of TSA membership.
hole from
inside. I, and others before me, are suggesting change, but it is going to
be hard to accomplish due to the nature of the organization
-Original Message-
From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:13 PM
To: RD Milhollin
Cc: texas
Hi everyone-
I have been caving since Friday morning. I just logged on and I read
all your messages on the topic. Just to be clear, no decisions are
being made regarding the Texas Caver. This is just an information
gathering exercise on distribution methods and costs. I will follow
up. Probab
osts. My wife accused me of being a
> Neanderthal and dumb as a post and this was before she knew that I liked
> caves.
> Fritz
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> From: RD Milhollin [mailto:rdmilhol...@charter.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16,
s before she knew that I liked caves.
> Fritz
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> From: RD Milhollin [mailto:rdmilhol...@charter.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:56 PM
> To: Fritz Holt
> Subject: RE: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
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> Fritz, for the sake of good natured argum
: Fritz Holt
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
It's pretty easy :) Most mail clients with this list will play nice
if you hit reply to all, it will list all email addresses properly,
you can then delete any that don't need to be sent to. If you just
hit reply, it
that would be hurtful or offensive
> to anyone.
> I will pay attention and learn how to do this correctly.
> Fritz
> -Original Message-
> From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:26 PM
> To: Fritz Holt
> Subject: Re
arn how to do this correctly.
Fritz
-Original Message-
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:26 PM
To: Fritz Holt
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
Fritz, you copied this over to texascavers instead of ot, not a b
; Neanderthal and dumb as a post and this was before she knew that I liked
> caves.
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> Fritz
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> From: RD Milhollin [mailto:rdmilhol...@charter.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:56 PM
> To: Fritz Holt
> Subject: R
, January 16, 2008 2:56 PM
To: Fritz Holt
Subject: RE: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
Fritz, for the sake of good natured argument, please enumerate said
benefits and the value you place on those.
-Original Message-
From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com
r, person,
volunteer, and you get things done! We need more like you in the TSA.
-Original Message-
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 6:19 PM
To: RD Milhollin
Cc: o...@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
The TSA
Back in 2004, we voted to reduce the TSS dues to $15 from $20 for single
memberships as the Texas Caver was not regularly being published. It has
since
been raised back to $20.
Jerry.
In a message dated 1/16/2008 2:37:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,
mark.al...@l-3com.com writes:
That'
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> > To: "mark.al...@l-3com.com"
> > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:39:25 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
> > I know this wouldn't go over, but I would think $25 a year for
> > electronic and a bit more for a paper newsletter w
Charles,
Thanks for engaging in discussion. I asked for a civil discussion, and I
hope I participated thusly. I appreciate you sticking your head up and
offering a comeback to my questions, I know your feeling is genuine but I do
feel it strengthed my argument, since your examples are those most T
> > if I could feel that the dues justified the returns.
> >
> > It doesn't count but my vote would be to have an electronic newsletter
> > available to those who don't want paper, and for a considerable break in the
> > dues, as was mentioned in a previous
to have an electronic newsletter
> available to those who don't want paper, and for a considerable break in the
> dues, as was mentioned in a previous post.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2
, and for a considerable break in the
dues, as was mentioned in a previous post.
-Original Message-
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:48 PM
To: RD Milhollin
Cc: o...@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
I'll
I'll chime in here, as a TSA member and what I see coming out of this
organization. Aside from the obvious, the newsletter, the TSA also
has several projects that are on-going. Land purchase, helping with
Honey Creek, CBSP, TSS, TCR/Spring Convention and others.
I'm sure that I didn't get nearly
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:01 PM
To: o...@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
-Original Message-
From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:29 PM
To: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Charles Goldsmith
Cc:
dsmith"
> > To: "mark.al...@l-3com.com"
> > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:39:25 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
> > I know this wouldn't go over, but I would think $25 a year for
> > electronic and a bit more for a paper newsletter woul
Simon
On 16 Jan 2008 22:01:16 -, wrote:
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Charles Goldsmith"
> To: "mark.al...@l-3com.com"
> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:39:25 -0600
> Subject: Re: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
> I know this wouldn&
: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
Mark,
Most associations of this type rarely have the necessary funds to meet
obligations and to implement goals. I would resist the idea of any
reductions in the cost of membership and would endorse an increase. The
annual membership cost is too low for the benefits
...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:41 PM
> To: Fritz Holt; Charles Goldsmith
> Cc: Kara Savvas; Johnson, Russ (ATX); imoca...@comcast.net; Scott Nicholson;
> o...@texascavers.com
> Subject: RE: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
>
rom: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:29 PM
To: Alman, Mark @ IRP; Charles Goldsmith
Cc: Kara Savvas; Johnson, Russ (ATX); imoca...@comcast.net; Scott
Nicholson; o...@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
Mark,
Most associatio
Subject: RE: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
It would still remain in a paper format, Fritz.
You would just have the option of receiving it electronically, instead
of in paper, at a reduced price.
Thanks,
Mark
P.S. - Good idea about the membership application.
_
From: Fritz
...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wed 1/16/2008 12:22 PM
To: Alman, Mark @ IRP; Charles Goldsmith
Cc: Kara Savvas; Johnson, Russ (ATX); imoca...@comcast.net; Scott Nicholson;
o...@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
Mark,
As the discussion in question is relevant caving business, I will
Somehow I ended up on the TSA format war committee along with
George-Paul of the Houston Grotto. I'm not sure what our strategy
will be. You should hear back from us at some point on this. There
were a few ideas tossed around at the meeting last Saturday, so we
have some stuff to chew on already
...@texascavers.com
Subject: [ot_caving] RE: TexasCaver
Thanks, Charles.
Actually, I have received more compliments than complaints on the TC, so
I shouldn't bitch.
The issue of electronic format versus paper has reared its head more
times than I can count and it is usually the
All good points Mark, but emailing a large PDF isn't good, instead, have a
members section on the webpage where it could be downloaded. Maverick
grotto has a great setup, for 3 months, a newsletter is on the private
section, after that, it goes to the public one.
I've never attended a TSA meeting
Thanks, Charles.
Actually, I have received more compliments than complaints on the TC, so I
shouldn't bitch.
The issue of electronic format versus paper has reared its head more times
than I can count and it is usually the more "chronologically-challenged"
curmudgeons that shoot it down.
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