Re: [time-nuts] Optical transfer of time and frequency

2016-04-29 Thread Bob Stewart
I apologize for not following the original thread closely, but has anyone mentioned The White Rabbit Project? Here's a wiki link. Links from there to CERN, etc. It might be beyond budget, etc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Rabbit_Project Bob On

[time-nuts] New to list and GPSDO questions

2013-06-12 Thread Bob Stewart
Hello to the list.  I saw on K3PGP's site a mention that the UT-41 GPS receiver had a 10KHz signal on-board so I decided, why not build a GPSDO for my "new" HP 5334B?  Unfortunately the one I bought doesn't have a 10KHz point, and the board doesn't even pull out the 1PPS signal from the chip.  S

Re: [time-nuts] New to list and GPSDO questions

2013-06-13 Thread Bob Stewart
d. > Be very careful with the answer. Time is the drug that keeps on giving. > $ > Regards > Paul > WB8TSL > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: > >> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:29:26 -0700 (PDT) >> Bob Stewart wrote: >> >> > He

[time-nuts] Fw: New to list and GPSDO questions

2013-06-13 Thread Bob Stewart
ge - > From: Attila Kinali > To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency > measurement > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 3:39 PM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New to list and GPSDO questions snip > [3] Describes how to use a clock synchronizer to build a G

Re: [time-nuts] Fw: New to list and GPSDO questions

2013-06-13 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Richard, As time goes by, I'll reread your post until I understand it.  I'm a newbie, but It's hard to believe that there is enough information in a jittery 1PPS reference pulse to be able to recover phase errors. Bob - Original Message - > From: Richard H M

Re: [time-nuts] Fw: New to list and GPSDO questions

2013-06-13 Thread Bob Stewart
OK, I believe you.  I can see I have a lot to learn. Bob - Original Message - > From: Richard H McCorkle > To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency > measurement > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Fw: New

Re: [time-nuts] Fw: New to list and GPSDO questions

2013-06-13 Thread Bob Stewart
- > From: Chris Howard > To: mccor...@ptialaska.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency > measurement > Cc: Bob Stewart > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:58 PM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Fw: New to list and GPSDO questions > > > I'm with Bob in that I don't really

Re: [time-nuts] VE2ZAZ controller

2013-06-13 Thread Bob Stewart
Perry, Could you give me some context for your post?  Is this related to my post about building a GPSDO, or is this something else?  It looks like Bert did something specifically for the 3586.  That is not what I was posting about. Bob - Original Message - > From: Perry Sandeen > T

[time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-15 Thread Bob Stewart
Tom tried to steer me to the PICTIC recently, and I sort of brushed him off, because, quite frankly I didn't understand.  Now that I've really looked at it, it's a much better idea than using a dsPIC33 and brute-forcing it.  But, I don't really need everything the PICTIC offers so I started doin

Re: [time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-15 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Lars, I'm lucky in that I'm starting with a PIC running internally at 40MHz.  So I think timing is not going to be a real problem.  But after getting a response from Richard, I'm concerned about flaws in the spice chip models.  I'm also a bit concerned about breadboarding, but come to think

Re: [time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-15 Thread Bob Stewart
yet but you can contact me or Richard directly. > >/tvb > >- Original Message - >From: "Bob Stewart" >To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" >Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 5:19 PM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] TIC model >

Re: [time-nuts] GPS accuracy specs

2014-02-16 Thread Bob Stewart
The smart guys have already contributed to this thread.  What I have is an example taken when I was doing some testing.  The plot at the top is the DAC on my GDPSO.  It is moving the oscillator back and forth about 4.6E-4 Hz.  Not a lot.  The bottom plot is the interesting one, as it is the 1P

Re: [time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-19 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bruce, What are the tradeoffs with using different values for R1?  I have no practical experience at this, so all I can do is rely on the models.  Does the fact that R2 is in the PIC, and C1 is so tiny, make the value of R1 of less importance?  On my PIC, they list C1 as 5pf, R2 as effective

Re: [time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-20 Thread Bob Stewart
Now you've lost me.  What 2.5 MHz synchronizer clock?  Everything I have external to the PIC is 10MHz.  The PIC is running HSPLL at 40MHz, though I don't think that makes any difference to this. Bob > > From: Bruce Griffiths >To: Bob Stew

Re: [time-nuts] comparing two clocks

2014-02-22 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Jimmy, Someone touched on the idea of using a scope.  Go to the Agilent site and download a copy of the 10811 manual, 10811-90002.pdf.  Section 3 describes how to adjust the 10811 and gives info on how to time the phase drift to calculate the frequency error.  You can pull the time base out

[time-nuts] Thermal Compensation: Digital vs Analog

2014-02-26 Thread Bob Stewart
I've been experimenting with digital thermal compensation on my GPSDO.  The results have been favorable for a 14 bit dithered PWM-based DAC, but leaves a bit to be desired in the big picture.  And it takes up a lot of program bytes on my PIC..  What's the general consensus on this?  Should therm

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal Compensation: Digital vs Analog

2014-02-26 Thread Bob Stewart
he red (thermistor) line. Bob - AE6RV >____________ > From: Attila Kinali >To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency >measurement >Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 10:23 AM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thermal Compensation: Digital vs Analog > &g

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-26 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Mark, I'm neither an engineer, nor an expert, but here are my comments.  I think that the idea of 100ns/T is wrong.  There are several variables that control accuracy, but the time between pulses from your OCXO (assuming no phase or frequency drift) isn't one of them.  So, that gives 1/T. 

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-26 Thread Bob Stewart
Tom, I took his 100ns figure to be simply the period of 10MHz.  He mentioned using an interrupt driven system, so the counts should not necessarily be limited to 100ns accuracy.  At least on the PIC I'm using, the CCP and timer interrupts don't seem to be synchronous with the PIC clock.  I coul

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-27 Thread Bob Stewart
as an interrupt function, but after looking at the manual, it's a matter of switchable dedicated hardware.  Sorry for the bad info. Bob > > From: Hal Murray >To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency >measurement >Cc: hmur.

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-27 Thread Bob Stewart
errors on your 1PPS pulse. Bob > > From: Alexander Pummer >To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency >measurement >Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:42 AM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time meas

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-28 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Charles, The problem is that the only information available is the fact that a phase crossing occurred and whether there were more than 10M counts (or less) since the last PPS.  The phase error value is not available to me, nor is the sawtooth value; which would of course be of no value.  So

Re: [time-nuts] Another "atomic" clock question

2014-03-03 Thread Bob Stewart
Tom, That's a pretty interesting idea.  It makes me wonder if it would be worth it to switch perhaps a 1/2W heat source (random number) off and on over the XO in the UT+ say every minute or so. Bob > > From: Tom Van Baak >To: Discussion of precise time and fr

Re: [time-nuts] Another "atomic" clock question

2014-03-04 Thread Bob Stewart
I suggested yesterday to periodically heat and cool the oscillator, but my post may have been lost in the noise. Bob > > From: Didier Juges >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 11:00 AM >Subject: Re: [time-nu

Re: [time-nuts] Another "atomic" clock question

2014-03-04 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Tom, You may have missed TVB's post yesterday, quoted below.  A "hanging bridge" is an area on a timing receiver's plotted sawtooth correction value that stays on one side of phase zero for some period of time.  As a result of this "bias", a GPSDO that is not corrected for sawtooth will prob

[time-nuts] New TIC test run

2014-03-08 Thread Bob Stewart
I put my TIC to hardware, and have started testing it.  Here is a sample run comparing it against the 5334B with an off frequency OCXO.  I've scaled and rotated to tried to cancel out the length of the cables to the 5334B.  Still early days with it, yet. http://www.evoria.net/AE6RV/TIC/TICvs53

Re: [time-nuts] New TIC test run

2014-03-09 Thread Bob Stewart
nd I'm amazed at the precision of this thing.  It's like taking the 5334B and adjusting the focus knob.  Of course it's not as accurate, due to the way it works, but it will fit my needs well in my GPSDO. Bob - AE6RV >________ > From: Anders Wallin

Re: [time-nuts] New TIC test run

2014-03-09 Thread Bob Stewart
The link seems garbled for some reason with it inline so let me try again. http://www.evoria.net/AE6RV/TIC/TIC2.bmp > > From: Bob Stewart >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 10:40 AM >Sub

[time-nuts] Modeling vs reality question re my TIC

2014-03-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Fellow Timenuts: I'm trying to square reality with the modeling that I did, and nothing makes sense.  When I modeled the result of just my 2.4K resistor with the caps and resistor the PIC datasheet says it has in it, there's no relationship.  The model says I'll get millivolts out.  Here's ho

Re: [time-nuts] Modeling vs reality question re my TIC

2014-03-10 Thread Bob Stewart
n the ADC which is listed as 120pf.  Here is a screenshot of the relevant page. http://www.evoria.net/AE6RV/TIC/ADC.png Bob > > From: Chris Albertson >To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency >measurement >Sent: Monday, M

Re: [time-nuts] Modeling vs reality question re my TIC

2014-03-10 Thread Bob Stewart
ying to be argumentative, I'm just trying hard to understand. http://www.evoria.net/AE6RV/TIC/ChargeRamp.png Bob > > From: Bruce Griffiths >To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency >measurement >Sent: Monday, March

Re: [time-nuts] Modeling vs reality question re my TIC

2014-03-10 Thread Bob Stewart
east success is a good problem to have and not a bad one.  I'm sending a board to a friend soon, and if the results repeat for him, it's not just a fluke. Bob > > From: Bruce Griffiths >To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequ

[time-nuts] PLL Math Question

2014-03-12 Thread Bob Stewart
Now that I've got the TIC going, I'm working on the PLL math for my GPSDO.  My question is about moving averages.  I've put in a moving average for the TIC.  From that, I've calculated the slope, and have put a moving average on the slope to settle it down.  I think this boils down to a moving a

Re: [time-nuts] PLL Math Question

2014-03-12 Thread Bob Stewart
.com >Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:51 PM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PLL Math Question > > >Bob, > >On 12/03/14 18:24, Bob Stewart wrote: >> Now that I've got the TIC going, I'm working on the PLL math >> for my GPSDO.  My question is about moving

Re: [time-nuts] PLL Math Question

2014-03-12 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Hal, In the moving averages I'm doing, I'm saving the last bit to be shifted out and if it's a 1 (i.e. 0.5) I increase the result by 1. Bob > > From: Hal Murray >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >Cc: hmur...@megapathdsl.net >Sen

Re: [time-nuts] PLL Math Question

2014-03-12 Thread Bob Stewart
"x_avg = x_avg + (x - x_avg) * a_avg;" Hi again Magnus, In fact, I just post-processed some data using that formula in perl.  It looks great, and will indeed save me code and memory space.  And, it can be a user variable, rather than hard-coded.  Thanks for the heads up! Bob >

Re: [time-nuts] PLL Math Question

2014-03-12 Thread Bob Stewart
And I suspect I'm being far too conservative; i.e. averaging way too long  If not, maybe there will be a good gain value that will be convenient to code the exponential average. Thanks for the help, Bob >________ > From: Hal Murray >To: Bob Stewart ; Di

Re: [time-nuts] PLL Math Question

2014-03-12 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Daniel, re: FIR vs IIR I'm not a DSP professional, though I do have an old Smiths, and I've read some of it.  So, could you give me some idea what the FIR vs IIR question means on a practical level for this application?  I can see that the MA is effective and easy to code, but takes up mem

Re: [time-nuts] PLL Math Question

2014-03-13 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Jim, Thanks for your thoughts.  Perhaps there are a few things that I know about my particular system that have been discounted.  I have mentioned them in passing, but haven't collected them coherently for this thread.  It's an 8-bit PIC, thus floating point calculations have to be "improvis

Re: [time-nuts] PLL Math Question

2014-03-13 Thread Bob Stewart
Dennis, I just realized that I could do the math in sixteenths.  So, for 7/16ths multiply by 7 before shifting(i.e. dividing) and rounding.  That would probably give enough granularity.  I'll have to think about it.  It does open new doors. thanks, Bob > >

Re: [time-nuts] PLL Math Question

2014-03-13 Thread Bob Stewart
y 256. This has been most informative and certainly gives me more options. Bob > > From: Chris Albertson >To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency >measurement >Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 5:42 PM >Subject: Re: [time-

[time-nuts] Nav Receiver Sawtooth Correction?

2014-03-21 Thread Bob Stewart
I've gotten my PLL mostly working, but, since I'm using a nav receiver, it looks like I may want to see if I can do a poor-man's sawtooth correction based on GPS position changes.  Has anyone done this or have a reference for a project that has?  It would seem to me that only the East-West movem

Re: [time-nuts] Nav Receiver Sawtooth Correction?

2014-03-23 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Ignacio, Thanks for the response.  I've got a UT+ in the parts box.  But that's not the problem I'm trying to solve.  I'm trying to make the best GPSDO that I can make using a nav receiver at the moment.  Call it an obsession if you like.  It's OK if I don't have corrections to the nanosecon

Re: [time-nuts] Nav Receiver Sawtooth Correction?

2014-03-23 Thread Bob Stewart
PS to move by that amount. http://www.evoria.net/AE6RV/Nav/NavWander.png Bob > > From: Chris Albertson >To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency >measurement >Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:24 PM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Nav R

[time-nuts] RC TIC linearity correction?

2014-03-25 Thread Bob Stewart
I hadn't given any thought to correcting the linearity of the TIC I built, but my PLL plots tell me I should do it now.  Explanation: when I arrange things so that the phase point is near the top of my TIC's range, it requires a smaller movement than when the phase point is in the middle:  Presu

Re: [time-nuts] RC TIC linearity correction?

2014-03-26 Thread Bob Stewart
Thanks Charles.  That makes sense, but at the expense of adding unwanted complexity.  As I've been moving the setpoint around this morning, I think I see a way to characterize what it's doing.  Maybe I can come up with a small correction table or formula that's good enough for my purposes. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] RC TIC linearity correction?

2014-03-26 Thread Bob Stewart
de "how wide is wide".  I don't have any sort of phase wrapping code, though, so I have to be careful how close to a phase point I get. Bob >____ > From: Chris Albertson >To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency >measuremen

Re: [time-nuts] RC TIC linearity correction?

2014-03-26 Thread Bob Stewart
Chris Albertson >To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency >measurement >Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:25 AM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] RC TIC linearity correction? > > > >Yes a lookup table would be easy.  But how to create the table?  I've bee

Re: [time-nuts] FEI-5660 Rubidium Oscillator

2014-03-28 Thread Bob Stewart
What about the other side of audio-phoolery: audio FFT?  I'm thinking more along the lines of an ARRL FMT. > > From: Tom Van Baak >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 6:10 PM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FEI-5

Re: [time-nuts] First success with very simple, very low cost GPSDO, under $8

2014-04-09 Thread Bob Stewart
To further Brian's comment: you have to keep in mind that the interrupt routine interrupts the mainline code, and not the other way around.  So, you set a semaphore in your mainline code and your interrupt routine checks to see if that's set when it starts, or at least before it uses any variabl

Re: [time-nuts] First success with very simple, very low cost GPSDO, under $8

2014-04-09 Thread Bob Stewart
Have you considered reading the timer only at PPS?  You don't need to keep track of the actual count.  You just need to keep track of the difference between counts at each PPS.  Resolution isn't a problem since the difference in the lower 16 bits is a fixed number for your purpose.  IOW, 10,000,

[time-nuts] Adafruit (MT3339) problems today

2014-04-10 Thread Bob Stewart
My Adafruit has gone walkabout again.  This is a different unit than the one I spoke about some months ago.  It's been about 150 ft from my actual location, which has, of course, made a mess of my GPSDO.  Well, at least it verified my "unlock" code.  I did a POR and it seemed to come home, but n

Re: [time-nuts] Adafruit (MT3339) problems today

2014-04-10 Thread Bob Stewart
WAAS enabled.  But I am totally clueless about this.  In 2000 words or less, what am I missing?  =)  Sometimes I wonder if gpsd is meddling with things and causing me problems, in spite of their stated goal of non-interference. Bob > > From: Jim Harman

Re: [time-nuts] First success with very simple, very low cost GPSDO

2014-04-10 Thread Bob Stewart
FWIW, I set the DAC to midpoint and use a binary search to get to frequency.  On my system, I start off with a change of 0x80 and work my way down to 0x04 in powers of 2 (0x80, 0x40, 0x20, etc).  Once I get to 256 seconds between DAC changes, I light the PLL fuse.  I could probably get away with

Re: [time-nuts] First success with very simple, very low cost GPSDO

2014-04-10 Thread Bob Stewart
te awhile, then it drifts off, your PLL stops, and you wait till you drift back to the phase point.  Rinse, repeat, fail.  But, it's always possible that you can see something in the data that I didn't. Bob > > From: Chris Albertson >To: Bob St

Re: [time-nuts] First success with very simple, very low cost GPSDO

2014-04-10 Thread Bob Stewart
idge, or that you were on a hanging bridge on one side and it's now gone to center, a bridge on the other side, or back to a sawtooth that averages to zero.  That's probably still pretty poorly said, but it's way past my bedtime. Bob > >

Re: [time-nuts] Adafruit (MT3339) problems today

2014-04-11 Thread Bob Stewart
bo.com >Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 2:49 PM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Adafruit (MT3339) problems today > > >On 10/04/14 23:48, Bob Stewart wrote: >> My Adafruit has gone walkabout again.  This is a different unit than the one >> I spoke about some months ago.  It

[time-nuts] NTP and Oncore UT+

2014-04-19 Thread Bob Stewart
I've done as much as I can do with my little Adafruit, so I guess it's time to move to a timing receiver.  I already have a UT+, so I might as well make use of it.  My thought was to use the NTP refclock driver and probably take the sawtooth from SHMEM with a simple "C" program to pass to my GPS

Re: [time-nuts] NTP and Oncore UT+

2014-04-19 Thread Bob Stewart
mption was that NTP would know the secret handshake.  Writing the software to extract the sawtooth is no big deal.  It has version 2.2 of the firmware. Bob >________ > From: Bob Camp >To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency >measurement

Re: [time-nuts] NTP and Oncore UT+

2014-04-19 Thread Bob Stewart
don't have the right document. Bob > > From: Bob Camp >To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency >measurement >Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 7:03 PM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NTP and Oncore UT+ > > >Hi > >

Re: [time-nuts] NTP and Oncore UT+

2014-04-19 Thread Bob Stewart
Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 9:36 PM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NTP and Oncore UT+ > > >On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Bob Stewart wrote: > >> Somehow I missed that page in all the times I looked through the On

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO and holdover

2014-04-22 Thread Bob Stewart
a quick >hack GPSDO from a quality one. You'll also face a number of design issues at >startup, and coming out of holdover. Lastly, you get to choose between it >being an ideal time standard vs. an ideal frequency standard. > >/tvb > >p.s. Please fix your address book. Th

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO and holdover

2014-04-26 Thread Bob Stewart
I mentioned to Tom that I had seen the xgps program duplicate a lot of its satellites when I missed a PPS.  I noticed my GPSDO go into holdover so I quickly brought up xgsp and noticed it happening again.  This screen showed a few times intermixed with a normal screen.  I have no idea whether it

Re: [time-nuts] New timing receivers?

2014-04-26 Thread Bob Stewart
Given the state of the GPS chip, would it really take that big an investment to just add in the firmware to do timing?  Or have the manufacturers just made a marketing decision to keep that a high end market as long as they can? Bob > > From: Bob Camp >To: D

[time-nuts] 3339 Interface for Linux? - was New timing receivers?

2014-04-28 Thread Bob Stewart
I was wondering if anyone has a decent interface to the Adafruit and related receivers for Linux?  By that, i mean something like the Windows tools that Globaltop provides, or even just the ability to separate out the responses to the PMTK commands from the NMEA traffic. Bob - AE6RV >_

Re: [time-nuts] New timing receivers?

2014-05-05 Thread Bob Stewart
Tom, Any progress on the Adafruit PPS study? (Hope this isn't a dupe.  Yahoo's mail scripts have problems today.) Bob > > From: Tom Van Baak >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 1:56 PM >Subject: Re: [time-n

[time-nuts] PIC Programmer for Piklab in Linux?

2014-05-14 Thread Bob Stewart
Can anyone suggest a PIC programmer that will work with Piklab on Linux?  The replacement serial board I just bought won't drive my JDM Classic PIC programmer.  It doesn't reliably drive my LIRC IR transmitter either, so I have to devote the serial port on my motherboard to LIRC.  My GPSDO devel

Re: [time-nuts] PIC Programmer for Piklab in Linux?

2014-05-14 Thread Bob Stewart
I neglected to mention that I'm pretty much limited to USB or ethernet (if such a programmer exists) at this point. Bob From: Bob Stewart To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:15 PM Subject: [time

Re: [time-nuts] PIC Programmer for Piklab in Linux?

2014-05-18 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Rudolf, The Pickit2 configuration choices were a bit confusing, so I decided to order a different serial board that contains actual 16550s. Now that I've had a chance to assimilate what I've learned, the problem is traced to the 3 Volt 3243 chips that are in today's serial boards.  After doi

Re: [time-nuts] New tide gauge uses GPS signals to measure sea level change

2014-05-28 Thread Bob Stewart
Hal, you bring up an interesting point:  Is the receiver in a Z3801 inherently more accurate in position reporting than the receiver in an Adafruit?  Somehow I doubt it, if for no other reason than the improvements in technology.  (Excluding any programming errors that may or may not exist in th

[time-nuts] "Audio" DAC for GPSDO?

2014-06-02 Thread Bob Stewart
Now that my TIC is working with Bert's board, I'm considering taking the next step of designing a GPSDO from scratch.  There are several projects I'd like to do with a dsPIC33, so that was a natural choice.  But I now understand that it has an "audio" DAC and is not recommended for process contr

Re: [time-nuts] "Audio" DAC for GPSDO?

2014-06-02 Thread Bob Stewart
eresting that in one paragraph they call the DAC default register a safety feature for industrial control applications, and then a few inches later a black box warns that it's not recommended for control type applications.  Bob ____ From: Poul-Henning Kamp To:

Re: [time-nuts] "Audio" DAC for GPSDO?

2014-06-02 Thread Bob Stewart
have some of the same issues. Even some pretty fancy outboard ADC’s only work well at DC if you put a chopper around them. Bob On Jun 2, 2014, at 7:22 PM, Bob Stewart wrote: > Hi Poul, > > I've been reviewing microchips literature and the way I read it is that the > DAC isn&

Re: [time-nuts] CGSIC: Known Problem With Certain GPS Devices

2014-06-05 Thread Bob Stewart
There was a recent discussion with the above subject line about SVN-64.  I've noticed that my Adafruit hasn't given me any holdovers for a few days, so I checked on the sat's status.  The link below says it's been usable since May30.  Hmmm. http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?Do=gpsShowNanu&num=2014047

[time-nuts] dsPICs and GPSDOs

2014-06-20 Thread Bob Stewart
Once I got my TIC going, I suppose it was inevitable that I build a GPSDO with a dsPIC33.  I have a few dsPIC specific questions for anyone who designs with them. 1. VCAP.  The datasheet says that it should be a surface mount device.  I had hoped to avoid those.  Can I get away with a 10uf tant

[time-nuts] GPSDO standard interface?

2014-06-25 Thread Bob Stewart
In an offline communication, I suddenly realized that I hadn't given any thought to the user interface for my GPSDO.  Is there an accepted standard interface for GPSDOs, or is that a murky Microsoft-esque world of patents and lawyers? Bob - AE6RV ___

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO standard interface?

2014-06-25 Thread Bob Stewart
this important issue until now. Bob ________ From: bownes To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO standard interface? Well, I built one of the ve2zaz units, and

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO standard interface?

2014-06-25 Thread Bob Stewart
prototype GPSDO right now that requires all sorts of user input just to get it started and to keep it going. That gets old. My bias is: time spent creating clever adaptive algorithms to make a human unnecessary is better than time spent creating an elaborate UI that requires a user (and operation

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO standard interface?

2014-06-26 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Mark, Thanks for the response.  I'll take a look at heathgps.cpp.  I had hoped not to have to actually look through code to divine an interface, but if that's the way it is, then OK.  I am planning on the output of at least position, corrected phase error, DAC value, ambient temperature, and

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO standard interface?

2014-06-26 Thread Bob Stewart
Perhaps the misunderstanding happened when I mentioned two UARTs and two tty interfaces.  Using a standard  tty interface has nothing to do with how it gets to the monitor hardware once it leaves the board.  It's the same physical interface that's used by the receiver boards; whether Adafruit, U

Re: [time-nuts] Loran, GPS, Lightning, Timing

2014-06-27 Thread Bob Stewart
You might be thinking of the file that David Byrne sent  to the HP list last year on 9/7/13.  It was an article by C. L. Stong and I think it was published in The Amateur Scientist in 1963.  You should be able to find it in the HP list archives. Bob From: M

[time-nuts] Magnetic Resonance Spectromater; was Re: Loran, GPS, Lightning, Timing

2014-06-28 Thread Bob Stewart
There's an interesting (and on topic) project in that book starting on page 335, discussing a home-made Magnetic Resonance Spectrometer.  I wonder if any time-nuts have constructed such a device, and what potential accuracy it would have? Bob - AE6RV From: D

Re: [time-nuts] FASTRAX GPS

2014-07-01 Thread Bob Stewart
Jim, Are you trying to find out how to hook up a receiver in your office/radio room to an antenna that is some ways away?  Or are you specifically trying to remotely hook up a receiver near your antenna?  If the former, just use RG-6, like for cable TV, with adapters on each end.  RG-6 has such

Re: [time-nuts] FASTRAX GPS

2014-07-02 Thread Bob Stewart
as close as possible to a system which which would have the systems gpio and serial ports attached? Thanks to you both for answering. jim On 7/1/2014 9:30 PM, Bob Stewart wrote: > Jim, > > Are you trying to find out how to hook up a receiver in your > office/radio room to an anten

[time-nuts] Magnetic Resonance Spectrometer - redux

2014-07-05 Thread Bob Stewart
First, an apology.  When I changed the topic on my original post, I thought that would be OK.  Apparently that's still a thread-jacking.  Sorry. I'm still interested in this Magnetic Resonance Spectrometer thing, though.  On page 335 of the pdf linked below by Dave, there's an experiment with an

Re: [time-nuts] Magnetic Resonance Spectrometer - redux

2014-07-06 Thread Bob Stewart
Thanks Brooke.  I'll look into it.  It would be interesting to try to develop a frequency standard from a test tube of water.  Bob From: Brooke Clarke To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Sunday, July 6, 20

Re: [time-nuts] FASTTRAX GPS Antenna power

2014-07-10 Thread Bob Stewart
I'm a bit confused about what you're asking.  You discuss antennas but you show pictures of a GPS receiver.  They're not the same thing.  I use a puck antenna.  They cost about $6 on ebay, and take their power from the coax.  Normally your GPS receiver supplies power to the coax, so you don't ha

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Windows XP clock.

2014-07-12 Thread Bob Stewart
Have you looked into NTP for Windows? Bob From: Max Robinson To: Time Nuts Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 6:29 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Setting Windows XP clock. As some of you no doubt know microshaft has stopped supporting windows XP. As part of this the

[time-nuts] Synergy-GPS SSR-6tru problems

2014-07-15 Thread Bob Stewart
I got one of these recently, along with the adapter board.  This is the ublox only version, and I am using u-center version 8.11 software.  I am unable to make it work properly.  The NMEA section happily sends out messages, but I cannot get anything else to work.  e.g. it ignores the commands to

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy-GPS SSR-6tru problems

2014-07-15 Thread Bob Stewart
o had experienced problems. Bob From: Art Sepin To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 5:58 PM Subject: RE: [time-nuts] Synergy-GPS SSR-6tru problems Bob, One of the most obvious things is that the UT+ u

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy-GPS SSR-6tru problems

2014-07-16 Thread Bob Stewart
ant good answers I think you need to tell us exactly what you are plugging it into and through what signal path you are issuing the commands. On 7/15/2014 2:36 PM, Bob Stewart wrote: > I got one of these recently, along with the adapter board.  This is the ublox > only version, and I am using u

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy-GPS SSR-6tru problems

2014-07-16 Thread Bob Stewart
wasted all this time for nothing. Bob From: Dennis Ferguson To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Cc: Bob Stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Synergy-GPS SSR-6tru problems On 15 Jul, 2014, at 16:32 , Bob Stewart wrote: > I do n

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy-GPS SSR-6tru problems

2014-07-16 Thread Bob Stewart
I'll have to look at the specs to see current draw. Bob From: Paul To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Synergy-GPS SSR-6tru problems On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy-GPS SSR-6tru Problem Resolved

2014-07-23 Thread Bob Stewart
As a reminder, I received an SSR-6tru receiver from Synergy, along with their M12 adapter, which allows you to plug it into a slot for an Oncore GT+, UT+, or VP.  I was unable to get the receiver to respond to any commands from the u-blox u-center software. After a lot of troubleshooting, I dis

[time-nuts] Remoting a GPS Receiver

2014-07-23 Thread Bob Stewart
There was a discussion recently about how to send the 1PPS from a receiver to a remote user.  If this is duplicate information I apologize. Get a copy of the Motorola Oncore manuals and take a look at Chapter 5 where it discusses using RS-422 to do this.  Simple schematics and timing informatio

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy-GPS SSR-6tru Problem Resolved

2014-07-24 Thread Bob Stewart
EXE s/w today. /tvb - Original Message - From: "Bob Stewart" To: "Bob Stewart" ; "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Synergy-GPS SSR-6tru Problem Resolved As a reminder, I

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy-GPS SSR-6tru Problem Resolved

2014-07-25 Thread Bob Stewart
e was talking about.  A real class act all around! Bob - AE6RV From: Art Sepin To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Cc: Tom Van Baak ; Dusty Morris Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 5:17 PM Subject: RE: [time-nuts] Synergy-GP

[time-nuts] Effects of noise on EFC line?

2014-08-05 Thread Bob Stewart
I've run into a noise problem on the EFC line of my GPSDO engine at the frequency of the oscillator.  I've traced the source down to the 74HCT365 I'm using to output the 1(or 5)MHz and 10MHz signals.  When I pull it, the EFC quietens down a lot.  I'm seeing about 50mv of 10MHz noise at the outpu

Re: [time-nuts] Effects of noise on EFC line? - Resolved

2014-08-06 Thread Bob Stewart
e OCXO on my old Tek 455 with an X10 probe. Bob ________ From: Bob Stewart To: Time Nuts Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:36 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Effects of noise on EFC line? I've run into a noise problem on the EFC line of my GPSDO engine at the frequ

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise powersupplies

2014-08-07 Thread Bob Stewart
What about a PC sound card? From: Alexander Pummer To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2014 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Low noise powersupplies to measure a power supply noise, better to say the noise spe

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