pendletone55 wrote:
Then tell me something. What good is the touch? If it cannot serve as
the SBServer
Er, its a fine, limited SBServer.
Its not a full blown PC/mac running SBServer, its too small in RAM and
the CPU is too slow.
Its called TinySC for a reason. I've never seen any claim that
pounce;540272 Wrote:
What do you want specifically from the community?
1. First of all I am just reporting a finding.
2. People that might consider to use the Touch as a server and a
transport at the same time should be aware of this finding.
3. If others don't experience my finding, I
Mnyb;540374 Wrote:
What I wonder here is. Is there any guideline or consensus for when a
setting.
1. Should be local ?
2. Integrated with the squeezeboxserver ?
3. Integrated with squeezeboxserver and mysqueezebox.com ?
1 2 is possible for 3rd party devs to accomplish 3 needs
... or hearing difficulties.
The use-case where it isn't set forget has been exposed in this
thread already - sub-optimal recordings. In this use-case my opinion is
that the recording should be permanently fixed via editing, because then
it will be usuable on other players which may not have
soundcheck;540405 Wrote:
Folks.
FYI.
I just stepped over a comment of John Svensson at the USB driver/plugin
thread, where he pretty much confirms what I am saying about streaming
vs. local operation.
Cheers
No he doesn't...
I also think that a real headless workmode, which switches off all
graphic related routines on the SW side and the hardware side would be
nice.
Because even if the screen is turned off it doesn't necessarily mean
that the SW in the back stopped working.
This mode should be manageable via a
There is nothing : Your HD will go in sleep mode after some time without
any acces.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77284
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soundcheck;540426 Wrote:
1. How about that one:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=481447postcount=6
John is doing wild guessing too. As I said. Nobody has ever shown
what's going on.
2. On headphones something happens. If you don't listen to headphones
there is
Thank you for your reply.
But after some time must be a parameter in a configuration file. Has
somebody an idea where I can find this configuration file?
Thanxs,
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Phil Leigh;540434 Wrote:
... and that isn't an opinion?
NO. It is a result of a real life test in an adequate test
environment.
Phil Leigh;540434 Wrote:
The Touch is a completely different design to the Duet. In my opinion
(!) no amount of Duet mods will improve it over a
Well, I know you are going to disagree, but here is a TEST anyway:
Source: 30-second WAV clip of Limehouse Blues from Jazz at the
Pawnshop
Replayed via SBS and via TinySC (using a self powered USB drive),
analogue (RCA) out captured into M-Audio 24/96 @24/44.1
ADM comparison (at highest
I tred plugging my usb HDD directly into the Touch...
to be honest I felt teh performance was a wee bit slow, especially when
dealing with playlists..
I didnt have ay of Erlands plugins installed
I was using 7.5
I know 7.6 expects some performance enhancements over 7.5...does this
apply to
wimpf;540437 Wrote:
Thank you for your reply.
But after some time must be a parameter in a configuration file. Has
somebody an idea where I can find this configuration file?
Thanxs,
wimpf
This is determined by the Power Management of your HDD, nothing to do
with the Touch.
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Tony T;540367 Wrote:
No, I'm trying to install applets with just the Touch TinySC
Yes, I understand. ;)
But TinySC has full access to MySB and it's Apps and services.
Applets (at least most of them) are stored and down loadable from MySB
so as to accommodate those not running a full SBS.
This
Well - very interesting.
I plugged in some Sennheiser PMX60's into the Touch and repeated the
test above, comparing TinySC with phones in vs. TinySC with no phones.
The overall correlation null drops by 6dB to -80dB, meaning that with
Phones connected the analogue signal via RCA out is changed.
Phil Leigh;540401 Wrote:
...
Don't knock it until you've tried it.
There is no difference at all in the s/pdif stream (which is captured
perfectly, using the soundcard locked to the Touch clock) using
internal or external streaming. They are identical.
Ok. I'll give it a go.
When you
Touch keeps a permanent connection to MySB. Given the fact that MySB
tends to still have performance issues on weekends, could this be a
scheduling issue or something related to that?
SqueezePlay runs all server communication links in the same thread in a
kind of cooperative-multitasking
pounce;540472 Wrote:
Ok. I'll give it a go.
When you see a difference how do you know it's actually audible and not
something that's masked by the content?
The test approach would be to baseline with whatever AD you have
regardless of quality? I struggle with this a bit since you
I did get the controller SW to update via mysqueezebox.com, that was no
problem. I seem to have resolved the issue for a while (since last
night) - It seems to be a router DHCP issue.I ended up assigning a
static IP to the SB server - and this seems to have resolved the
connectivitity issues
johsti;540289 Wrote:
Yeah, $50 is $50, but not that much if you compare it to the cost of
going to see one concert. It cost $50 bucks for a concert ticket and
one beer these days!!!
Yeah, for a cheap concert! :-)
johsti;540289 Wrote:
My concern is that if I don't get one now, I may not
pippin;540474 Wrote:
Touch keeps a permanent connection to MySB. Given the fact that MySB
tends to still have performance issues on weekends, could this be a
scheduling issue or something related to that?
SqueezePlay runs all server communication links in the same thread in a
kind of
Perhaps some process crashed on you ;)
Give it a factory reset to see if you get get it to stutter again
...heh.
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Well... the presence/absence of connected headphones has a much smaller
(measured) effect on SBS replay than it does on TinySC replay. Also the
impact is still greater on the right channel with both SBS and TinySC.
I'd need to study the circuit diagram and physical board layout to even
hazard a
Well... the presence/absence of connected headphones has a much smaller
(measured) effect on SBS replay than it does on TinySC replay. Also the
impact is still greater on the right channel with both SBS and TinySC.
I'd need to study the circuit diagram and physical board layout to even
hazard a
pounce;540485 Wrote:
Perhaps some process crashed on you ;)
Give it a factory reset to see if you get get it to stutter again
...heh.
you bet... :-)
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Phil Leigh;540489 Wrote:
Well... the presence/absence of connected headphones has a much smaller
(measured) effect on SBS replay than it does on TinySC replay. Also the
impact is still greater on the right channel with both SBS and TinySC.
I'd need to study the circuit diagram and physical
pounce;540495 Wrote:
Do you have an SD card to test TinySC with USB and SD to see if it's a
power issue?
I'll see if I can borrow one from my daughter...
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
Touch(wired/XP) -
pounce;540495 Wrote:
Do you have an SD card to test TinySC with USB and SD to see if it's a
power issue?
He better answers your question with YES. ;) Otherwise I'd be wondering
what we're discussing over here all day long. :D
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Oh. I was too slow. As a matter of fact he said NO. He needs to borrow
one.
It's been a pleasure talking to you guys. ;)
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soundcheck;540503 Wrote:
He better answers your question with YES. ;) Otherwise I'd be wondering
what we're discussing over here all day long. :D
I'll have one in 3 hours. I have no idea what you are talking about...
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a
johsti;540289 Wrote:
...
My concern is that if I don't get one now, I may not ever get one. I
know they just came out, but for any other product, I'd think the Touch
has already been discontinued. I hope the train wreck analogy is
correct, and we start seeing more availability. I guess
Phil Leigh;539823 Wrote:
Thanks Struts - you've been a great help.
I've just been testing this on my system but of course I have a TACT
(with ASRC) betwixt Touch and DAC so the DAC never loses lock from the
TACT. I can flick around between any tracks without issue.
Now what we need is
paalj;540534 Wrote:
Phil,
As it is now I cannot use my Touch on hirez material.
Why?
Also, anything stopping you from calling support or opening a bug?
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pounce;540536 Wrote:
Why?
Also, anything stopping you from calling support or opening a bug?
1) because he has a type of DAC that has an issue switching rapidly
from 96-44.1-96 - some DACs do that. It seems that the Touch - unlike
other models - reverts to 44.1 between tracks, whereas I
I acknowledge the issue, but the Touch is still working for hirez
material so I'm not sure it's correct to say I cannot use my Touch on
hirez material. He can, but it's not ideal.
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pounce;540536 Wrote:
Why?
Also, anything stopping you from calling support or opening a bug?
Because my power amps is directly connected to my DAC and the pop's and
clicks is damaging my speakers.
If needed I will call support, but if it already is confirmed as a bug.
It should not be
pounce;540542 Wrote:
I acknowledge the issue, but the Touch is still working for hirez
material so I'm not sure it's correct to say I cannot use my Touch on
hirez material. He can, but it's not ideal.
I'm starting to see where your forum name comes from...
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You want to see
R Johnson;538597 Wrote:
I have now have a Touch,
the CSO Resound recording of the Bruckner 7th Symphony (conducted by
Haitink)
as a 16/44.1 CD and
as a 24/88.2 download from HDtracks.
I guess it's time to learn what difference(s) I can discern.
Still waiting for an update on this
Amazon shows it in stock and shipping. That's a good sign. Hopefully
stock doesn't run out in a day or two.
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Rich
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Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server
running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave.
Current library stats:
MickeyG;540526 Wrote:
The Touch is definitely not discontinued; the factory is gearing up to
make more.
Oh boy, that shouldn't take more that a couple months before they're
available in the US...
Why doesn't Logitech just pull the plug on the whole Squeezebox line
and be done with it? Sell
Yes it does work.
I never got around to writting the applet to set that up. Now that the
Touch is out and there is a little interest in it I'll go ahead and put
it together.
Full plug and play is not going to be easy though.
John S.
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Hi,
Exactly the same issue... any update on this problem?
Internet connectivity doesn't look to be the issue, since web radios
are working fine.
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Someone probably already figured this out, but what is the best way to
use a SB3 and a Touch in the same room? My plan was to put the Touch by
my sofa and use as a remote and cover art display, and keep my SB3 by
the amp and use it together with the normal IR remote. Is this
possible? If not I
superpin;540591 Wrote:
Someone probably already figured this out, but what is the best way to
use a SB3 and a Touch in the same room? My plan was to put the Touch by
my sofa and use as a remote and cover art display, and keep my SB3 by
the amp and use it together with the normal IR remote.
MickeyG;540526 Wrote:
The Touch is definitely not discontinued; the factory is gearing up to
make more.
Mickey
That is good news. Thanks.
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John,
Cool. Is there something I can tweak on my side to give it a try
without a full blown applet?
I'm ok without plug n play. If all it needs is a soft reset or power
cycle to reconnect or enable the USB out that seems reasonable.
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maggior;540595 Wrote:
The touch is controllable with the IR remote too, so you'll want to
disable that via a setting in the web UI.
Where? I have looked but I cannot find that choice on the Touch, only
on the SB3s and Boom. Tried on directly on the Touch without any luck
either, but perhaps
Unfortunately Touch has no such setting to turn off IR commands like the
SB3/Boom do.
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Are you in Europe ?
I think these applets might use MySB for rescaling images and then
these problems might be caused by the MySB problems we have seen during
the last weeks in Europe.
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toby10;540602 Wrote:
Unfortunately Touch has no such setting to turn off IR commands like the
SB3/Boom do.
...sigh... I see.
Nothing like consistency. At least there is a 3rd party plugin that
can address it.
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Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1
I have used a piece of tinted plastic on the end of the remote, it
reduces the signal enough that you have to point the remote at the unit
you want to control. (old batteries might accomplish the same thing)
Dan
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Hi there
See here:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Touch_-_USB_Compatibility
Felix
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erland;540601 Wrote:
1. If you have a universal or JVC remote you can switch the SB3 to JVC
remote codes
Can you change the Touch to use the JVC codes, thus essentially
disabling it? That would accomplish the same thing.
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Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Touch_-_USB_Compatibility
1. FAT16
2. FAT32
3. NTFS
4. ext2/ext3
But who knows what could be built in to it ?
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Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted
erland;540601 Wrote:
3. You can install the Disable IR remote third party patch through the
third party Patch Installer applet on the Touch which will disable all
IR remote control.
Personally, I've degraded the SB3 to be a clock. The Touch produces
better sound quality so it seems like a
All tests are recorded from the analogue outs using the same 30 second
clip (see earlier post):
Left/Right Channel correlation: higher number = closer match (fewer
differences)
(USB disk not connected)
1) SD Card + Headphones in vs. SD Card + Headphones out: L:100/R:103
2) USB Disk +
Cool. Interesting. Looks like power may have an impact.
Have a powered usb hub to try the diff? ;)
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mortslim;540576 Wrote:
Still waiting for an update on this post. The issue presented in this
quoted post really gets to the crux and heart of one of the sub-issues
of this entire thread: can a real world person in a real world
environment with a squeezebox easily discern the difference in
thanks for the link, I don't see XFS listed there :-(. Maybe some of the
devs knows what modules are built into the kernel of the touch and may
clarify on the issue here. ;-)
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pounce;540616 Wrote:
Cool. Interesting. Looks like power may have an impact.
Have a powered usb hub to try the diff? ;)
The usb disk I was using has its own PSU - I don't have any that will
run from Touch power alone... :-(
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets
You don't need a powered hub if your drive is powered externally. That's
interesting.
You are running ethernet, yes?
I need to try this now. I'm curious to see just how much I can
influence a difference by doing bad things.
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thank you for clarifying my request Felix! Keep up the excellent work,
I'll probably end up migrating the data to an NFS share with ZFS and
export it from there :-).
cheers!
t0mg
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paalj;540545 Wrote:
As you can see I am a junior member and need some time to learn how to
open a bug.
Please let us know when\if you enter this bug, we will vote for it.
Also happens on my Benchmark DAC-1 connected via digital coax; actually
the red error light briefly lights up when
t0mg;540605 Wrote:
Hi All,
I've searched both the forums and the wiki regarding the supported
file-systems for external media attached through the Touch's USB
interface, but couldn't find a detailed list.
Do any of the devs know specifically what file-systems does the touch
support?
What formats are your backups in? :)
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maggior;540609 Wrote:
Can you change the Touch to use the JVC codes, thus essentially
disabling it? That would accomplish the same thing.
No, it doesn't support JVC codes
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I have a Cambridge DacMagic and always get a brief gap between FLAC and
WAV files at 24/88.1 and 24/96 when one track ends and the next begins.
This is separate from the stuttering issue which appears to be CPU
related and is discussed in another thread (I get this brief dropout
for all
ziggyb63;540627 Wrote:
Please let us know when\if you enter this bug, we will vote for it. Also
happens on my Benchmark DAC-1 connected via digital coax; actually the
red error light briefly lights up when skipping to the next 24/96
track, indicating loss of lock - no popping though.
I'll
pounce;540628 Wrote:
I'm curious. Are you really going to stop your show because of your
drive format? External drives are pretty cheap these days. Would you
consider a mirror of your music on another drive that is one of the
supported file systems?
Hi Pounce,
u have a good point with the
Perhaps overkill for files that can be replicated around without
impacts... but I appreciate the geek factor.
I've been able to trick the Touch to use an NFS share instead of local
storage so there are interesting things you can do.
Just buy one. I'm sure you will have fun with it.
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I ordered my Touch from Amazon on Thursday and it arrived on Friday and
I didn't even pay for the delivery which was supposed to take 3-4 days!
Naturally I was delighted
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ziggyb63;540627 Wrote:
Please let us know when\if you enter this bug, we will vote for it. Also
happens on my Benchmark DAC-1 connected via digital coax; actually the
red error light briefly lights up when skipping to the next 24/96
track, indicating loss of lock - no popping though.
OK,
paalj;540658 Wrote:
OK, hope this is correct:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16146
If not, I am quite sure I will get a message :-)
Voted and added my 2C!
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paalj;540658 Wrote:
OK, hope this is correct:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16146
If not, I am quite sure I will get a message :-)
Thanks Paalj - voted and expanded
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call
Does SC even consider the rate of the next song to play? What if you
were running random or shuffle with a mix of rates? How do we expect
the unit to handle going from 96/24 to 44/15 and back?
So is this a bug or an enhancement request?
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pounce;540670 Wrote:
Does SC even consider the rate of the next song to play? What if you
were running random or shuffle with a mix of rates? How do we expect
the unit to handle going from 96/24 to 44/15 and back?
So is this a bug or an enhancement request?
It should keep the rate of the
toby10;540463 Wrote:
Yes, I understand. ;)
But TinySC has full access to MySB and it's Apps and services.
Applets (at least most of them) are stored and down loadable from MySB
so as to accommodate those not running a full SBS.
This way the Radio and Touch can utilize Applets without ever
peterw;540705 Wrote:
Did you give the same advice to Nintendo when they introduced the Wii?
It took their factories two years to catch up with demand.
Yeah, Touches are just flying off the shelves over at Best Buy and
Target.
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Jim
Now that the wait is over, I would like to solicit opinions from Touch
owners out there who also own a Transporter.
As an ex-Transporter owner who is thinking of re-acquiring one, I am
very interested to know if the Touch managed to sound as good or better
than the Transporter. After all being
Search on this forum and you'll find many comparisons that have been
made already over the past few months, mostly by Touch beta testers who
also have TPs. Nothing wrong with soliciting more opinions (and actual
test results) now that the Touch is in circulation and there's a larger
pool of
To repeat my other post on the subject. The Transporter has balanced
analog outs. If you will be using these, the TP is the obvious choice.
Now that that is out of the way on to the RCA analog outs. Both in
measured and for my taste (IE my listening) the Transporter still has
an edge here. Is it
Same issue here but I am in Hong Kong so it is not just a European
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Thanks for the insights.
Whatever client I decide to acquire is going to be connected to my
newfangled Naim DAC. If there are substantial differences between the
transporter and the Touch I will opt for the X-porter since, along with
the Naim Nait 2, I consider it to be one of the gems in
It's on Amazon but Amazon doesn't ship to Singapore. Anywhere else? Or
do I have to wait until one of the little IT shops here get convinced to
bring it in?
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Which is faster in terms of delivery to a US address at the moment?
Logitech US website or Amazon?
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May I add another use case for your consideration. I have a set of CDs
that consist of contra dance music played more slowly and simply than
normal so that musicians that play by ear and are not very proficient
can learn the tunes. The tunes have been recorded with the instruments
carrying the
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