garym;611826 Wrote:
If all you are trying to do is make sure the TOUCH is running the latest
stable firmware, just connect the touch to the source of
mysqueezebox.com. Once you do this, it should go into update firmware
mode and automatically download and install the latest firmware.
I
Previous SBS server versions
http://downloads.slimdevices.com/
Beta 7.6
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Nightly_Builds
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Dave,
You are way overcomplicated this. :)
You need to get your Touch functioning reliably as a simple setup on
you existing network. Forget using the Touch's USB or updating power
cables for the time being.
Get your Touch playing reliably from your SBS server on your computer.
Play a few
toby10;612007 Wrote:
Previous SBS server versions
http://downloads.slimdevices.com/
Beta 7.6
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Nightly_Builds
Then just follow gary's instructions.
yes, i have found the 7.6 dl, as i wrote, i am now running 7.6 on my pc
squeeze server.
BUT how do
JJZolx;611961 Wrote:
I think it's fair to say that the consensus in this community is Flac.
If I interpret the intended meaning of that correctly - one could
perhaps add a footnote saying that, if you are otherwise Apple based
(Mac/iTunes/iPod/iPhone/etc), ALAC is a good choice.
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Well I've successfully managed to hack the prefs file to get things
consistent with my other two servers. That was fun.
Album art seems a real problem, I cannot get internal art to work at
all. I tried reducing the size from the original 1450x1450 supplied
with the file to 500x500 - no go. I
magiccarpetride;611583 Wrote:
I predict that, in not too distant future, it will be financially
feasible for common households to store the backup of their precious
digital media in the cloud, with a reputable vendor (or, with a select
few reputable vendors).
You are probably right, but
I've also considered a server (2tb) with a squeezeboxserver. Logitech
told me that the internal server can also be used wiht external HDD up
to 2tb but they didn't told me that it would take 5 minutes to start
the music! 60% of the time I listen to the radio so a server that runs
24/7 is a bit to
The firmware contains TinySC updates, so if you updated the Touch's
firmware from MySB or SBS then TinySC is updated to that version.
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tmauceri;611931 Wrote:
I would like to understand this better. Is it that each song contains
embedded data called a Tag which contains multiple fields. I thought
that each field was a seperate tag and that they were associated with
the CD as a whole. When my VBA rips a CD it creates 3 extra
toby10;612009 Wrote:
Dave,
You are way overcomplicated this. :)
You need to get your Touch functioning reliably as a simple setup on
you existing network. Forget using the Touch's USB or updating power
cables for the time being.
Get your Touch playing reliably from your SBS server on
I get your point. It sounds like someoen may have oversold the Touch a
little. Maybe someone can help you, there is an entry in the
server.prefs file for TinySC called autorescan with a value of 1,
but it may only control whether it periodically rescans the drive. Not
sure whether it affects
Why not just leave the external drive connected and running as well as
the Touch. It does not use much power. Turn your stereo on when you
want music and you are all set to go. I have been running mine this way
for about 3 months with approx 1500 albums on a 1TB drive. Works fine.
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mlsstl;611978 Wrote:
Quite possibly. A router or switch will automatically adjust for the
correct connection.
In the old days a crossover cable was needed if one directly
connected two computers without going through a switch or hub. It is
quite possible that even some more recent
Howard Turkster;612053 Wrote:
Another question -- would I run into these same problems connecting the
Touch directly into a Vortexbox Appliance? I might be able to get one
used now at a reasonable price.
not sure, but the VBA is a great way to run SbS. I use one (but my VBA
is connected to
garym;612058 Wrote:
not sure, but the VBA is a great way to run SbS. I use one (but my VBA
is connected to my router, and my SB Players are connected to my router
(via ethernet or wifi). The SB player is not directly connected to VBA.
none of my business, but not running a router makes life
Howard Turkster;612059 Wrote:
Yah, it seems that way. I just can't go that way without going wirelss
with the Touch, and without getting into that debate :), I just don't
want to go that way.
Knowing nothing about computers myself really, I still find it odd that
the concept of plugging
m1abrams;611968 Wrote:
If you transcode flac on the server to PCM you lose the ability to scan.
This is true for any transcoding.
Is gapless playback impacted by transcoding on the server? I seem to
recall that it is, but it's been a long time since I've done it.
As far as what format it
As I write the Touch is available on Amazon.co.uk for 189.95 inc.
delivery.
K
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Howard Turkster;612059 Wrote:
Yah, it seems that way. I just can't go that way without going wirelss
with the Touch, and without getting into that debate :), I just don't
want to go that way.
Knowing nothing about computers myself really, I still find it odd that
the concept of plugging
aubuti;611949 Wrote:
Each file (track) contains a space for metadata, which includes multiple
tags. ALBUM is a tag. ARTIST is a tag. TITLE is a tag. YEAR is a tag.
DISCNUMBER is a tag (useful for multi-disc sets). And so on. Different
types of files (eg, FLAC, MP3) have different standards
JJZolx;611953 Wrote:
Some ripping software will create a .m3u file, which is a playlist of
the tracks on the CD. In its extended form it does contain some
metadata, but it's usually minimal and isn't used by Squeezebox Server
as far as I know.
. thanks it is a .m3u
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garym;612038 Wrote:
EACH track contains a TAG. This TAG has lots of different fields (or can
have lots of different fields). The fields are things like ARTIST,
ALBUM, GENRE, ALBUM ARTIST, DATE, COMPILATION, COMMENT, etc. The data
within the fields (within the TAG) are referred to as
tmauceri;612070 Wrote:
thanks it is a .m3u
yeah, just a playlist. you can ignore as noted.
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maggior;612063 Wrote:
Aside from wav, FLAC has more hardware support than any other lossless
format.
I don't have the numbers to support or dispute that claim, but I
suspect it matters a LOT if you are counting (a) number of different
hardware devices (ie, models), and (b) number of units in
acsgp;611973 Wrote:
OK, thanks. Prob I have is that the Hi Fi is downstairs, and the router
upstairs, so the signal is weak. Thought also that there would be no
info lost between the VBA - SQT - DAC - amp if I use the USB
connection between the VBS and SQT and the optical out to the DAC.
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aubuti;612074 Wrote:
I don't have the numbers to support or dispute that claim, but I suspect
it matters a LOT if you are counting (a) number of different hardware
devices (ie, models), and (b) number of units in use. I think all those
ALAC-supporting iPods would count for a lot in (b).
acsgp;611973 Wrote:
OK, thanks. Prob I have is that the Hi Fi is downstairs, and the router
upstairs, so the signal is weak. Thought also that there would be no
info lost between the VBA - SQT - DAC - amp if I use the USB
connection between the VBS and SQT and the optical out to the DAC.
Cut-Throat;611954 Wrote:
He had spent a lot of time testing various formats and did not like
compressing formats as it gave the computer another task to do.
Doing tasks are what computers are made for. If a computer can't handle
that, it's either broken, or the wrong computer for its intended
You need to connect the SqueezeBox touch and the VortexBox to your
router. If you don't have Ethernet available where your music system is
you can put the VortexBox next to your router and the SqueezeBox Touch
next to your audio equipment.
If you can't get a good wireless signal in your
aubuti;612065 Wrote:
And if you do mean to use the VBA and Touch that way, you could wire it
directly. It will be a bit of a hassle because that's not the way most
networking is done, but it's do-able. But you could just as easily
(EDIT: _much_ more easily) pop a $40 router between the VBA
Howard Turkster;612091 Wrote:
Thanks for the replies. I feel like I'm making progress. :) On option
#1 above here, does the router have to be connected to my home
network/modem?
If I put an ethernet switch between the VBA and Touch alone, without
any connection to my home network,
garym;612093 Wrote:
No, I think you are misunderstanding how this works. You're making this
harder than it needs to be:
you have an internet connection coming into your house via a modem.
1. from modem, connect a short ethernet cable connecting to the input
of a router (the WAN port).
The last couple of days has seen a price drop here in Denmark from about
1900DKK to 1600DKK - currently the Squeezebox Touch can be had at
Komplett (http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=490120) for 1595DKK
(180£/292$)... Wonder if there is a new model on the way or perhaps a
general drop in
Another question -- am I crazy? :p
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Howard Turkster;612097 Wrote:
I've tried ethernet over powerline and I feel the sound quality degrades
significantly over a direct ethernet connection.
WIFI is fine in my home for other purposes but I don't want to stream
my music via wifi. As I was trying to indicate earlier, *why* I
FLAC and just let the file types settings be and the squeezebox
experience would just work as expected, enjoy :)
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garym;612104 Wrote:
i don't want to get into the other debate either. But I do just have to
say, that if the network connection isn't good (whether wifi or
ethernet, or homeplug, etc.) it doesn't degrade sound quality. It
causes dropouts, silence, excessive buffering, etc. It doesn't reduce
Howard Turkster;612059 Wrote:
Yah, it seems that way. I just can't go that way without going wirelss
with the Touch, and without getting into that debate :), I just don't
want to go that way.
Knowing nothing about computers myself really, I still find it odd that
the concept of plugging
garym;612105 Wrote:
and to be clear the VBA is just a computer. No different from your
netbook other than the fact that it doesn't have a keyboard or monitor
(you access it from a webbrower on a different computer to control
things).
Presumably this makes it rather difficult to administer
Howard Turkster;612103 Wrote:
Another question -- am I crazy? :p
You're not crazyjust grappling with some fundamental understandings
of how these things work. We've all been there. With all of the help
available here and with a bit of work and patience on your
part...sooner or later
garym;612104 Wrote:
i don't want to get into the other debate either. But I do just have to
say, that if the network connection isn't good (whether wifi or
ethernet, or homeplug, etc.) it doesn't degrade sound quality. It
causes dropouts, silence, excessive buffering, etc. It doesn't reduce
Phil Leigh;612107 Wrote:
I don't see how this makes sense. If you can wire a Touch to a VBA, you
can wire a touch to a router and wire the router to the VBA. It's one
extra cable. No need for any wi-fi...
But I can't wire the router to a newtork.
So would it be doing any good?
That's my
chill;612111 Wrote:
Presumably this makes it rather difficult to administer if it isn't
connected to the network.
Yes. Of course it is DESIGNED to be connected to the network. This
said, you can connect a keyboard and monitor to the VBA, it is just
designed that one doesn't need to. The idea
garym;612115 Wrote:
Yes. Of course it is DESIGNED to be connected to the network.
Understood - I was simply trying to emphasise the advantage of having
the Touch connected to a network for Howard's benefit. Another point
worth noting is that you lose all the flexibility of controlling the
Howard Turkster;612112 Wrote:
My only response is this theory hasn't been validated by my experience.
When I hooked up my wife's netbook for the first time directly to the
Touch, I expected it NOT to sound any different. I was a skeptic. But
I believe what I heard was much different.
garym;612118 Wrote:
Then I respectfully submit something is not hooked up properly (and
hooking the touch to the netbook doesn't even make any sense...that's
not how it works, so I'm not sure what you were listening to), but I
won't argue the point, to each their own.
No I'm not
Maybe I should just pay a professional electrician to wire my house.
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Howard Turkster;612120 Wrote:
Maybe I should just pay a professional electrician to wire my house.
Actually, a better recommendation would be to spend a few dollars on
getting someone who's network savy out to your house---the Geek Squad
folks would be one such resource. Just tell them what
rgro;612122 Wrote:
Actually, a better recommendation would be to spend a few dollars on
getting someone who's network savy out to your house---the Geek Squad
folks would be one such resource. Just tell them what you want to do
and I'll bet they'll have it figured out in 10 min...for these
aubuti;612074 Wrote:
I don't have the numbers to support or dispute that claim, but I suspect
it matters a LOT if you are counting (a) number of different hardware
devices (ie, models), and (b) number of units in use. I think all those
ALAC-supporting iPods would count for a lot in (b).
Once you connect two network devices you have created a network, wired
or wireless.
Your wife's laptop wired to Touch was a two item network.
What you are proposing is another two piece wired network of VBA to
Touch.
What people are suggesting is to add a router to simplify your network
Soundman;612029 Wrote:
You are probably right, but nevertheless I will NEVER use the cloud
for many reasons. To name just a few: Why should I intrust my precious
data to a vendor? Even if he's reputable there might work some bad
people there who missuse your data. What if such a vendor
toby10;612125 Wrote:
Once you connect two network devices you have created a network, wired
or wireless.
Your wife's laptop wired to Touch was a two item network.
What you are proposing is another two piece wired network of VBA to
Touch.
What people are suggesting is to add a router to
No, a switch does not have DHCP (assigns, manages, handles the network
IP address'), you need a router.
I'd suggest a good WiFi router, just turn of the WiFi for now. Later
you may want to add additional SB players via WiFi.
I know, you say no now, but just wait. ;)
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m1abrams;612086 Wrote:
ALAC as far as I know is only supported by apple. It is a properitory
format owned by apple. This makes it less attractive to people who may
not want to have their music tied to a single company. FLAC is an open
source format that is free for all to use and implement.
acsgp;611973 Wrote:
OK, thanks. Prob I have is that the Hi Fi is downstairs, and the router
upstairs, so the signal is weak. .
Before deciding that the signal is weak just because the router is
upstairs, try changing the orientation of the router's antenna,
especially in the vertical plane
Howard Turkster;612123 Wrote:
Next question now -- if I get this done and can connect directly to my
network (that has my main computer on it with over a TB of free hard
drive space), why do I need a VBA?
I don't mind leaving my main computer on. I do this a large part of
the time
aubuti;612134 Wrote:
..
Run the ethernet. You'll be happy you did. Use your main computer to
run SBS for now. Later on you can worry about changing the server,
adding storage, etc.
+1 Even better. ;)
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Howard Turkster;612123 Wrote:
I just did exactly this. Not Geek Squad, but a company that specializes
in this. Sounded like it would only cost about $125 plus 20 cents a
foot for the CAT6 cable. Not bad. It would be worth it because I
could also use the hardwire connection to my home
Davidg1;612018 Wrote:
What is the problem with opening more options to the touch UI? Is it a
matter of trying to limit the size of the code on Touch?
I think it's mostly a matter of developers' time and managers'
priorities. I believe one of the devs remarked adding more config ui
would be a
aubuti;612131 Wrote:
NSS. You're preaching to the choir here. I have no iThings and no use
for ALAC. FLAC is perfect for me. I was merely taking issue with the
bald claim that -Aside from wav, FLAC has more hardware support than
any other lossless format.- It's not as simple as that.
And I
garym;612148 Wrote:
At your home theatre, you'll need a small switch (maybe a 4 port) that
the cat6 connects to and then you can connect 4 different devices to
the switch (e.g., your DVR, a network equipped bluray player for
netflix access, your TOUCH, etc.). The switch is just plug and
I am using the official Spotify app on my Touch and have the Scroll mode
set to Standard Scrolling. However song titles etc. which do not fit
on the screen do not scroll in the usual way. Scrolling works fine
when I am listening to anything other than Spotify.
Anyone else noticing this?
Mike
It's not a bug, more an enhancement request.
Not sure if I agree with a very large proportion running only one; I
would have thought it quite common to at least run a copy of SBS on a
PC and TinySC on one or more Touch(es). But I accept it is hard for us
to know.
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Davidg1;612166 Wrote:
It's not a bug, more an enhancement request.
Not sure if I agree with a very large proportion running only one; I
would have thought it quite common to at least run a copy of SBS on a
PC and TinySC on one or more Touch(es). But I accept it is hard for us
to know.
I
aubuti;612177 Wrote:
I understand it's an enhancement request. The systematic place to file
those is also bugs.slimdevices.com , and you can label it as such under
Severity. The best category would probably be SqueezePlay, or possibly
SB Touch.
I honestly don't know how many people run
magiccarpetride;611583 Wrote:
In this day and age, computing has turned into commodity (similar to how
electric power and indoor plumbing have become a commodity, something we
all take as given and simply continue paying monthly charges for using
these commodities). The prices are eroding
Davidg1;612027 Wrote:
I do realise some people buy a Touch specifically because technically it
can act as a server and no PC is required. But really, it is way
underpowered to run a large library (even 75 albums, IMO). It is
intended for a few favourite albums on a small USB stick/SD, rather
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first of all thanks for the help and answers!
So there are 2 options: edit the server or keep the external HDD
running for 24/7. I will consider both but i'm just a little
disappointed that Logitech oversold the touch. The TinySC works fine
when loaded and connected. Playing music on my Marantz /
I think what was not made clear enough is: Album tag ONLY must be
identical, order names may vary.
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tmauceri;612079 Wrote:
I think the VBA has to be hardwired to the router via ethernet cable.I had my
cable modem moved from my 2nd floor to my media room on the
first floor. Since my TV/cable box was already there it was inexpensive
to do. I think it was about $36. This allowed me to hardwire
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I honestly don't know how many people run both TinySBS and SBS on a pc,
but from my own experience and reading here I suspect it's small.
People who use the Touch semi-portably, such as to a weekend house? Or
a visitor who brings over some tune-on-a-USB-stick? Sure.
Yeah, I can see that. We use WOL in our house because that seems easier
for the non-techy users than having them switch servers/libraries. The
server goes from suspend to running in 2-3 seconds. But all users (and
families!) are different.
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Ignore this, I've found it.
For anyone else reading this you need to go to
Settings/Advanced/Squeezebox Server -when the Squeezebox Server is
OFF- (option to wipe an rescan does not appear when it is running).
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Soundman;612029 Wrote:
You are probably right, but nevertheless I will NEVER use the cloud
for many reasons. To name just a few: Why should I intrust my precious
data to a vendor? Even if he's reputable there might work some bad
people there who missuse your data. What if such a vendor
A few problems with WOL:
- It is not normally enabled by default in the BIOS. Most people would
not have a clue
- Some PCs will not sleep reliably, or their owners cannot egt them
that way at least. Booting or even returning from hibernation is a few
mins at least
- Some routers don't handle
magiccarpetride;612209 Wrote:
OK, so I record a track with my band, mix it down, and master it as a
FLAC file. I make a safety backup copy (make that four or five copies,
one burnt on a CD, another one burnt on a DVD, another one stored on
the external hard drive at home, the other one on an
Phil Leigh;612226 Wrote:
one diskette short of a full install...'Your age is showing.'
(http://superuser.com/questions/231273/what-are-the-windows-a-and-b-drives-used-for)
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OGS;609134 Wrote:
I tried the HRT Streamer Pro earlier this evening. The Touch did not
boot properly. I could log in via ssh, but no sound. The Pro I have has
a rather old firmware v1.3 which I suspect may be the problem somehow.
The new Streamer II (I believe the same as John has for
JohnSwenson;579864 Wrote:
The C-media USB receivers are some of the worst ones ever made, their
sole redeeming feature is that they are dirt cheap. No wonder you like
the S/PDIF better.
John S.
Hi John, do you think the CM6631 would be a better choice?
I am now thinking of getting the
Henry66;612248 Wrote:
'Your age is showing.'
(http://superuser.com/questions/231273/what-are-the-windows-a-and-b-drives-used-for)
:)
I know - I've given up...
Perhaps I should have said one bit short of a perfect short of a
perfect stream :-)
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