Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-26 Thread NoRoDa
stop-spinning wrote: > Its just a matter of suck it and see. I wouldn't personally use the EDO > applet for hi-res files because I am not interest in that aspect - I > would only use the EDO applet to make the most of Async USB in order to > bypass the clocks in the SBT and use the clocks in a we

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-26 Thread stop-spinning
NoRoDa wrote: > Totally agreee!! > If both the EDO and TT3.0 sound hars, then go back to factory settings. > That worked for me. :) > > Regards Its just a matter of suck it and see. I wouldn't personally use the EDO applet for hi-res files because I am not interest in that aspect - I would only

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-26 Thread NoRoDa
SBGK wrote: > well some people found that the changes TT3.0 implemented were > detrimental to the sound, I think we can agree on that as you were > latterly one of it's fiercest opponents. So if you agree that TT3.0 > adversely affects the sound then surely you can agree that there are > settings

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-26 Thread SBGK
NoRoDa wrote: > Is SBGK getting results? How do you know that? Just 'cause he says so? > > He doesn't need a resolving system, why do we then? > > To find out if your system is more or less resolving, first try to find > out if the differences are in your head or in the sound coming from your

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-26 Thread JohnSwenson
stop-spinning wrote: > Excellent John, so in summary, a good example of an async USB DAC is the > MDAC, therefore with the well engineered MDAC, there is no need for an > intermediate re-clocker (or any form of clock upgrade), simply because > the MDAC is one example of a well implemented async U

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-25 Thread NoRoDa
stop-spinning wrote: > Wow SBGK - I've been looking at your blog - and its very interesting. > For those of you who have replied about not bothering with tweaks take a > look at SBGK's blog! This guy is a masterful tweaker and is getting > results. > > Of course you need a resolving system to ap

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-25 Thread Hofstede
Audio Bling wrote: > What amazes me about this thread (and others) is that people who have no > direct experience will give an *opinion *about something with the > character of complete authority.. In this case, folk who presumably have > never heard an SBT with clock upgrade will say (with compl

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-24 Thread Audio Bling
garym wrote: > I'm not saying that at all. [..] And it would be even better for the > OP, if a dozen other folks post their response. More info is more likely > to lead to some sort of "answer" [..] Thanks for the clarification. I agree. ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-24 Thread garym
Audio Bling wrote: > I do not ask for your “CV” but I think you should avoid making blanket > statements.. > > I have a "high quality" DAC and the mods that I have applied to my SBT > have been very beneficial, IMO. However, I am not suggesting that all > mods will yield fruit.. But this is a lo

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-24 Thread Audio Bling
garym wrote: > I didn't realize that I had to provide a CV along with my brief > response. ;-) > > I have in fact heard modded touch players. So I stand by my response of > "not necessary" and benefits being doubtful (in my opinion). But I'm > pleased that your particular modded touch is bette

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-24 Thread garym
Audio Bling wrote: > What amazes me about this thread (and others) is that people who have no > direct experience will give an *opinion *about something with the > character of complete authority.. In this case, folk who presumably have > never heard an SBT with clock upgrade will say (with compl

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-24 Thread Audio Bling
Hofstede wrote: > My 2 cents: All that talk about changing the clocks in the Touch is > humbug. The Touch is fine as it is. Don't waste your money. garym wrote: > Necessary? Certainly not. Useful as a high end mod? doubtful. What amazes me about this thread (and others) is that people who hav

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-24 Thread stop-spinning
Excellent John, so in summary, a good example of an async USB DAC is the MDAC, therefore with the well engineered MDAC, there is no need for an intermediate re-clocker (or any form of clock upgrade), simply because the MDAC is one example of a well implemented async USB DAC, is that right? This i

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-23 Thread JohnSwenson
As one who has actually done a clock upgrade I can say that it DOES significantly improve the sound of the analog outs. By clock upgrade I mean replacing the two audio crystals that generate clocks that are used to derive the timing for the data going to the DAC chip and the S/PDIF outs (coax and

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-23 Thread Hofstede
In my opinion all those wonderfull tweaks of SBGK only work in his imagination. Not many people on this forum take him serious. Some claims he makes are just impossible. I have added him to my ignore list long ago. But if you want to try out and test his suggestions please feel free

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-23 Thread stop-spinning
Wow SBGK - I've been looking at your blog - and its very interesting. For those of you who have replied about not bothering with tweaks take a look at SBGK's blog! This guy is a masterful tweaker and is getting results. Of course you need a resolving system to appreciate the tweaks no doubt about

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-22 Thread SBGK
stop-spinning wrote: > I ask this because some are saying that putting a re-clocker (such as > the so called excellent ones from Empirical Audio) make a huge > improvement to the SQ of the Touch. This, to me, means that the clocks > in the SBT are not of hi-end quality so an intermediary device s

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-22 Thread stop-spinning
Thanks Pascal - good to know. However with the MDAC you have the opportunity to try the EDO applet - you can alway try, then revert back to how it was if necessary. Who knows, the sound quality might go from 'excellent' to 'sublime'. --

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-22 Thread Pascal Hibon
A good “upgrade” to the Touch can be a decent DAC. The clock inside the Touch is not that bad. John Westlake (designer of the previous DacMagic DAC’s , the Audiolab M-DAC and other award winning gear) has tested the SBT and found that the clock is getting re-clocked inside the Touch. That is prett

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-22 Thread stop-spinning
Looks like the Touch is OK as is... I know that an audiophile forum member elsewhere reported that adding an Empirical re-clocker between SBT and his DAC makes his system sound 'sublime'. Now sublime is a nice word is it not. So as a result I wanted to find out what forum member here did to improv

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-21 Thread Mnyb
stop-spinning wrote: > I > > Other than that does Async USB mean you conveniently totally bypass the > internal clocks altogether (if you have a good async USB DAC like the > MDAC?). > > Thanks everyone. Thats the general idea with async usb . it was designed for use with computers as source

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-21 Thread garym
Necessary? Certainly not. Useful as a high end mod? doubtful. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95573 __

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary

2012-06-21 Thread Hofstede
My 2 cents: All that talk about changing the clocks in the Touch is humbug. The Touch is fine as it is. Don't waste your money. Hofstede's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29832 View this thread: htt