ShieldsFamily wrote:
Terry,
Perhaps GWB does not “glorify
God” to your standards, and that is for you to say. I believe The
President must represent all people of all faiths and all walks of
life—not take advantage of a position of power to espouse his own
faith.
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Terry,
Perhaps GWB does not “glorify
God” to your standards, and that is for you to say. I believe The
President must represent all people of all faiths and all walks of
life—not take advantage of a position of power to espouse his own
faith
Terry, Perhaps GWB does not “glorify
God” to your standards, and that is for you to say. I believe The
President must represent all people of all faiths and all walks of
life—not take advantage of a position of power to espouse his own faith.
Job first, Christ second?
Terry,
what
In a message dated 8/31/2004 8:22:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Brother John,
My responses in blue (you better duck)
And you believe that as well, unless you are still butchering bulls and goats out in your backyard.
No need, my Christ, the Messiah said âit
Brother John,
My
responses in blue (you better duck)
And
you believe that as well, unless you are still butchering bulls and goats out
in your backyard.
No
need, my Christ, the Messiah said âit is finishedâ, which was foretold in the
Law many years prior.
Did
you forget the
Terry, Perhaps GWB does not “glorify
God” to your standards, and that is for you to say. I believe The
President must represent all people of all faiths and all walks of
life—not take advantage of a position of power to espouse his own faith.
Job first, Christ second?
T
Terr
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Terry,
Perhaps GWB does not “glorify
God” to your standards, and that is for you to say. I believe The
President must represent all people of all faiths and all walks of
life—not
take advantage of a position of power to espouse his own fai
In a message dated 8/31/2004 7:23:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Knpraise writes:
Tim, did I miss your comment on my response post, giving you the scriptural references you requested :
In a message dated 8/31/2004 11:21:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John,
I am sorry, y
In a message dated 8/31/2004 7:23:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Knpraise writes:
Tim, did I miss your comment on my response post, giving you the scriptural references you requested :
In a message dated 8/31/2004 11:21:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John,
I am sorry, y
Terry, I respectfully propose that this is
the attitude that has given over our nation to the godless. I propose that we
serve in the House and Senate as well as in the White House. Izzy
I got a feeling that if you were in the white house,
you would take advantage of the power that
Terry,
Perhaps
you should read the verse again.
Who else would your enemy be other than someone who “hateth thee”?
Exodus
23:5 If thou see the ass of
him that hateth thee lying under his burden,
and wouldest forbear to help him, thou shalt surely help with him.
C.
Tim Winkl
Tim, did I miss your comment on my response post, giving you the scriptural references you requested :
In a message dated 8/31/2004 11:21:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John,
I am sorry, you have used two terms I am not familiar with.
Old Law
New LawÂ
Are you say
C. Tim Winkley wrote:
Brother
John,
Galatians
5:14 For all the law is
fulfilled in one word, even
in
this; Thou shalt love thy
neighbour as
thyself
Leviticus
19:18 Thou shalt not avenge,
nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou sh
ShieldsFamily wrote:
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Tuesday, August
31, 2004
5:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Kerry's
faith?
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Lance,
Upon what
Slade Henson wrote:
Slade
hears Terry say:
“Then you do feel that to be
absent from the body is
to be present with the Lord? Or do you just take this to be wishful
thinking on the part of Paul?”
slade
speaks thus:
I wish that if/when God
causes my body to rest be
Brother John,
Galatians
5:14 For all the law is
fulfilled in one word, even in
this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as
thyself
Leviticus
19:18 Thou shalt not avenge,
nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself:
I am the LOR
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004
5:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kerry's
faith?
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Lance,
Upon what do you base that assumption? In what specific way wou
Slade
hears Terry say: “Then you do feel that to be absent from the body is
to be present with the Lord? Or do you just take this to be wishful
thinking on the part of Paul?”
slade
speaks thus: I wish that if/when God
causes my body to rest before Messiah comes I could be gathered to
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Lance, Upon
what do you base that
assumption? In what specific way would Christians be totalitarian?
Would they
chop off hands and rape women and imprison children like the
totalitarian (Moslem)
regimes in Iraq, Syria
and Saudi?
If not, exactly wha
Izzy jumps back in in red! J
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004
2:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [TruthTalk] from
O'Reilley to you
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:50:42 -0400
"Hughes Jonat
In a message dated 8/31/2004 10:40:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John,
I took no offense whatsoever. With my "baptism for the dead" response I
was actually poking a little fun at DaveH, and LDS in general, since he and
I have recently discussed the verses that I para
In a message dated 8/31/2004 12:28:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am sorry in the last message you used the term Law, I understand covenant as used in this email.
The woman I sleep with most nights is both a wife and a mother. Two very different things. Same woman.
In a message dated 8/31/2004 11:21:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John,
I am sorry, you have used two terms I am not familiar with.
Old Law
New Law
Are you saying that these terms are Biblical? If so, please submit a reference. Maybe you are talking about c
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:50:42 -0400 "Hughes Jonathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Hi
Judy,
Welcome to the fray. To answer your first question, unequivocally
I consider myself to be able to judge (used in the sense of discernment, not
in the sense of putting myself in a pos
I
am sorry in the last message you used the term Law, I understand covenant as
used in this email.
The short answer: There were nine covenants. Which one were you specifically asking for?
When you use the term Old Covenant
it typically refers to the covenant the LORD made with the
Hi
Judy,
Welcome to the fray. To answer your first question, unequivocally I
consider myself to be able to judge (used in the sense of discernment, not in
the sense of putting myself in a position above the other) the foreign policy
and its inventors in America. I certainly believe that
John,
I am sorry, you have used two terms
I am not familiar with.
Old Law
New Law
Are you saying that these terms are
Biblical? If so, please submit a
reference. Maybe you are talking
about covenants.
C. Tim Winkley
Aka Law Man
Title: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you
Izzy in bold: Okay Jonathan, this conversation is getting unwieldy, so I
will cut to the main point here below: You and I, as Believers in the Living
God, should be capable of agreeing between us that only God can and does
determi
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:41:08 -0400 "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I do not believe I
have misquoted O’Reilly. His point was that there are other countries
out there that will look out for you/take care of you (synonymous) more than
the American government. Muc
Title: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you
Lance, Just when we are getting down to specifics
you want us to abandon the conversation? Please don’t encourage that.
Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004
10:0
Lance, Upon what do you base that
assumption? In what specific way would Christians be totalitarian? Would they
chop off hands and rape women and imprison children like the totalitarian (Moslem)
regimes in Iraq, Syria and Saudi?
If not, exactly what would they be doing that was totalitarian
John,
I took no offense whatsoever. With my "baptism for the dead" response I
was actually poking a little fun at DaveH, and LDS in general, since he and
I have recently discussed the verses that I paraphrased in my response to
you. I hope HE took no offense at my poke, but also hope it made
Oh! I see what you meant Tim and I have no problem with
it. I also believe that we are judged by God's
Word (Law) now as well as later because sin
is 'lawlessness'. judyt
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:22:20 -0500 "C. Tim Winkley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Judy,
I appreciate you
Thank you for sharing your testimony Tim, it is a
wonderful testimony to God's power and
grace in your life. judyt
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:19:25 -0500 "C. Tim Winkley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Yes, I consider myself a
believer. Let me be
specific. I was born under the
pena
Title: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you
Jonathan in some colour other than black, blue or red. Hmm I think
I will use green.
Izzy in
blue:
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Hughes
JonathanSent: Tuesday,
August 31, 2004 8:
No, just a realist.
- Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: August 31, 2004 11:57
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kerry's
faith?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/31/2004 9:38:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED
2 for 2. Thanks, John.
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: August 31, 2004 12:20
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kerry's
faith?
In a message dated 8/31/2004 9:05:10 AM Pacific
Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Iz:Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/31/2004 9:38:08 AM
Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Your
point is well taken Lance, and a strong one it is, despite the fact
that many churches are run by pretend Christians, wimp Christians, Lazy
Christians, and Christians who
Amen Terry! Someone gets it!
- Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: August 31, 2004 11:35
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kerry's
faith?
Lance Muir wrote:
Iz:Yes, that is what I'm saying. Don't 'real'
Christians run
In a message dated 8/31/2004 9:38:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Your point is well taken Lance, and a strong one it is, despite the fact that many churches are run by pretend Christians, wimp Christians, Lazy Christians, and Christians who don't know enough about Jesus, le
C. Tim Winkley wrote:
Yes,
I consider myself a believer. Let
me be specific. I was born under
the penalty of sin. In other words
my body will die and my desire was to disobey God. As
a result of my yielding to my nature to disobey God, I
found myself in bondage. I
Lance Muir wrote:
Iz:Yes, that is what I'm saying.
Don't 'real' Christians run churches etc. ?
Your point is well taken Lance, and a strong one it is, despite the
fact that many churches are run by pretend Christians, wimp Christian
In a message dated 8/30/2004 7:14:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, after weeks of silence, we have Perry back -- and they say there is no resurrection from the dead !!!
JD
Just for the record -- I meant the above in a good way. Your response seems to say that y
In a message dated 8/31/2004 9:23:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, I consider myself a believer. Let me be specific. I was born under the penalty of sin. In other words my body will die and my desire was to disobey God. As a result of my yielding to my nature to dis
In a message dated 8/31/2004 7:17:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I appreciate your admonishment. Perhaps I can explain why I asked. Before I discuss something as diverse as the Law I need to find out whom I am discussing it with. I need to know what their perspective of
Yes,
I consider myself a believer. Let
me be specific. I was born under
the penalty of sin. In other words
my body will die and my desire was to disobey God. As a result of my yielding to my nature to disobey God, I
found myself in bondage. I was
hopelessly addicted to drugs for 19 yea
In a message dated 8/31/2004 9:05:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Iz:Christians would be as totalitarian when running a nation as the aforementioned countries, say I.
We all know that I do not side with Lance on this political thing, for the most part -- so I usually sta
In a message dated 8/31/2004 9:00:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 8/31/2004 3:49:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Title: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you
Iz:This conversation is beyond saving. Why not
assume that Jonathan is wrong and move on to something else?
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: August 31, 2004 11:11
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk
Iz:Christians would be as totalitarian when running
a nation as the aforementioned countries, say I.
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: August 31, 2004 11:22
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Kerry's
faith?
Lance, Why dont YOU
go back and read what YOU wrote?
In a message dated 8/31/2004 4:14:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do you consider yourself a believer?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECT
In a message dated 8/31/2004 3:49:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lance, Why don’t YOU go back and read
what YOU wrote? You are the one being silly. Let me ‘splain it to ya:
Lance wrote: Christians (real Christians) in power would be as ineffective
in governing as that same party you 'demonize'. Such a government would be
dangerous for your nation and
Title: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you
Izzy in blue:
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004
8:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from
O'Reilley to you
Izzy,
I
have not been inv
Iz:Let's not allow this to degenerate into total
silliness. Back up a few posts and try to make sense of my central point. Then,
carry on.
Are you often accused of speaking before thinking?
Don't be offended. You're doing that both here and, with
Jonathan.
- Original Message -
Lance, so you think that churches are comparable to Iran,
Iraq, Syria and, Saudi Arabia. Please
explain. Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004
7:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kerry's
Title: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you
Izzy,
I have not been involved in name calling. Please identify where I have. I have exposed what I see your attitude as being: holier than thou. Read your own posts again. They drip with sarcasm and place you in a position above me. I have
I appreciate your admonishment. Perhaps I can explain why I asked. Before I discuss something as diverse as the
Law I need to find out whom I am discussing it with. I need to know what their perspective of Law is.
For instance, my perspective of Law
is that the God of Creation is th
Jonathan Hughes wrote:
Hi Dave,
I do not
believe I have misquoted O’Reilly.
His point was that there are other countries out there that will look
out for
you/take care of you (synonymous)
DAVEH: That was the point of my response, Jonathan. To me, they
are not sy
In a message dated 8/31/2004 2:17:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DO NOT PASS IT ON! Sorry Izzy, as much as many of us would like to believe this, don't propagate a lie. This urban myth was floating around about Bill Clinton and if my memory hasn't completely faild me, Ron
Iz:Yes, that is what I'm saying. Don't 'real'
Christians run churches etc. ?
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: August 31, 2004 09:44
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Kerry's
faith?
Lance,
I did not say
Republicans. I
Lance,
I did not say Republicans. I said
Conservatives, which is what real Christians are. (You know—pro-Life,
pro-family, pro-tax relief, etc.)
So you are saying that if real Christians ran the country it (America) would be comparable to Iran,
Iraq, Syria and, Saudi Arabia. Why o
Iz:I was insufficiently clear. I said 'if
Christians (real christians) ran the government NOT republicans. Sorry, but
these are not synonymous (Christian/Republican). However, IF any one-party
system ran the country, republicans included, it would amount to the same thing.
I'm truly not bein
Jonathan, Okay, at least here you
are discussing instead of name calling or telling me to go read several books
before you will talk. It seems that you believe in two kinds of morals
(1) those that are God-based and (2) those that are secular-based. Do I
have this right so far? Need I e
Jonathan, Let’s go back to square
one in my post below. (1) Do you, or do you not, agree with the
Dictionary’s definition of “moral”? (2) Next, instead
of name-calling, how about choosing one statement and telling me exactly why
you disagree with it. Tell me exactly and precisely what st
Oh, really, Lance? If the Conservatives ran
the country it would be comparable to Iran, Iraq,
Syria
and, Saudi Arabia. And who is doing the demonizing? Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004
5:48 AM
To: [
Thanks; I was too sleepy when that came
thru to check it out. Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Jeff Powers
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004
3:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kerry's
faith?
DO NOT PASS
IT ON! Sorry I
My husband said the video should be named “Pinkie
Goes Postal”!!! ROFL! Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dave Hansen
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004
12:27 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Baton Bob
DAVEH: Ah yes
Izzy,
Look at your definition of moral (even
though we are talking about moralism here) below. Note the massive absence
of one thing: GOD! As I attempt to stress to you there is no such thing
as morals combined with God. Your definition below illustrates this
wonderfully. Do you agr
Hi Dave,
I do not believe I have misquoted O’Reilly.
His point was that there are other countries out there that will look out for
you/take care of you (synonymous) more than the American government. Much
of the book is dedicated to illustrate that this is true. His next point
is tha
Hi Izzy,
As I asked please go back and read the
thread entitled Moralism versus Christianity. Your grasp of this concept
is slipping between your fingers at an alarming rate. Do not come to the
table looking through your own ideologue. Do not come to the table just
to prove someone e
Jt:Thanks for the correction. Some (not you) so
demonize the Democrat Party that one would come to believe that what you DO seek
is a one party system. This is an extremely uncritical way of thinking. Take
care that you do not get what you seek. Christians (real Christians) in power
would be
ï
Tim:Just answer the Bishop's question.
- Original Message -
From:
C. Tim
Winkley
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: August 31, 2004 07:12
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley
to you
Do you consider yourself a
believer?
-Original
Message-
Judy,
I appreciate your response. The people may lose the Law, but the
Law in and of itself cannot be lost.
For instance, the wages of sin is
death. Whether or not someone
consciously understands it or not makes no difference, they still pay death for
sin. It is His Law (His W
Do
you consider yourself a believer?
-Original
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004
10:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from
O'Reilley to you
What is this law that needs
I am with you on all that. I am not waiting around for God to
crush us either; as much as I hate to say it, I believe it is inevitable. I have five children and a lovely
wife. I am motivated to help
change their world as well.
-Original
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ma
Thought I'd heard that one before, check it out at
www.snopes.com/politics/bush/bibleverse.asp
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:10:28 -0400 "Jeff Powers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
DO NOT PASS IT ON! Sorry Izzy, as much as many
of us would like to believe this, don't propagate a lie. This urb
Slade:Adam..Abraham..Israel
(preparation/promise)..Jesus(2nd Adam..fulfillment..cosmic redemption)..Draw two
circles beside each other with a space. One circle represents the Triune God
while the other the cosmos (made out of nothing by God) All 'Religion' may be
seen as a self-generated att
Iz:Just imagine those 'end zone' types holding up
their signs reading John 16:3.
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: August 31, 2004 01:01
Subject: [TruthTalk] Kerry's faith?
I couldnt resist passing this little tidbit on.
Tim, God's Law can be lost and it has been lost in the
past. One exaple is in the book of Nehemiah
when they found a copy and it was read to the people.
They wept because they knew they had not
been keeping it. We pretty much have the same
situation today for all intents and purposes. Most
p
DO NOT PASS IT ON! Sorry Izzy, as much as many of
us would like to believe this, don't propagate a lie. This urban myth was
floating around about Bill Clinton and if my memory hasn't completely faild me,
Ronny Raygun!
sorry, Jeff
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
Slade Henson wrote:
Sorry Dave. You’ll have
to ask a Protestant. Personally, I think it might
have to do with Hebrews 13.8
DAVEH: ??? I don't understand the connection, Slade. How does
Jesus being the same yesterday, to day and forever relate to the third
hea
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