In a message dated 2/14/2005 4:29:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
historical present tense
this is not a grammatical distinction -- only a philosophical one, and, hence, open for disageement. Whether Paul is using an "editorial 'I' " or not, the fact is that the one
In a message dated 2/14/2005 3:20:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think it is a refusal on our part to let the truth of who we are in Christ evaluate and minister to those infirmities; in fact, it can be nothing other than this, because there is no part of our nature whic
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:15:17 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
jt: People who have been made free in Christ no
longer have "those tendencies" Jesus not only paid the price for
our sin, he also gives us freedom from the power of it in our lives when we
come to Hi
Bill writes:I think it is a refusal on our part to let the truth of who we are in Christ
evaluate and minister to those infirmities; in fact, it can be nothing
other than this, because there is no part of our nature which has not been taken
up and redeemed in Christ. Bill
jt: I think it
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:47:30 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 2/14/2005 5:27:16 PM Pacific
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:SODOMITE is a BIBLE word.
God calls them an ABOMINATION hardly a "NICE" thing to say A non practicing
Sodomite is still a Sodomite. W
We should down play their sin and shelter them. we can win them by befriending them
Is this what you are leaning towards?> Bill Taylor wrote:>> >Terry wrote > If I recall correctly, Bill, John said that theseparticular "Gay" people were unsaved. I believe he was patiently waitingfor them to come ar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 2/14/2005 7:19:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
God's Spirit cannot work through hermeneutics and contextual studies of the original text? OH I have been looking for the Originals, you found them?Unless a bunch of word wranglers Co
Sodomite is the Bible word unless it has been excised of anything pertaining to sex perverts like the NIV that had two practicing perverts on the commitee. Go ahead try to find anything against perverts in that book. Remodeling before they move in?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 2/14/20
Judy,
You started out criticizing what I had said about
those who have tendencies, but are not acting upon them. You did that with these
words: "People who have been made free in Christ no
longer have "those tendencies" Jesus not only paid the price for
our sin, he also gives us freedom f
Bill Taylor wrote:
Nothing here about "patiently waiting for them to come around."
Two things to note. First, "patiently come around" was my term, not
John's He put it a different way.
Second, this was some time back, when h
It was not my motive to nail you, Terry. If you think you are right, I will
trust your memory to suffice.
Blessings,
Bill
- Original Message -
From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Street Preachers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 2/14/2005 5:21:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bill wrote:
... he said that he was also speaking of
people who have those tendencies but
are not acting on them.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 2/14/2005 5:36:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nice Isogesis
You glory in your "ignorance," and then use "isogesis." Just showin off ??
JD
There
You are about to see the difference between a theologian (i.e. BillyT) and a preacher (that would be me, in this case). William would actually know where to begin -- I do not. But here goes, anyway.
Taking one's concordance into hand and looking up "son of man" finds someone like me in a
In a message dated 2/14/2005 3:10:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John wrote:
>I have some experience with gay types
>as well -- almost none of them were
>criminals
Gay types? If you mean that they were homosexuals, then they were criminals
according to the law of God.
In a message dated 2/14/2005 3:10:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Let me turn the bulb on if I may. Remember "God reveals things to the
simple that He hides from the wise"? He was comparing folks with
degrees and libraries and titles to quilt makers and rednecks and
gra
So you do not agree Sodomite is a Bible word?Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:47:30 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 2/14/2005 5:27:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:SODOMITE is a BIBLE word. God calls them an ABOMINATION hardl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
" It is not
just that God in Christ is our savior -- ,but that God In Messiah is our
savior. God ties together the Divine, the Incarnate ultimately glorified AND
the very existence and historicity of Israel as He brings together man unto
Himself.
The Smithmesit
Michael D: TTers, as most of you will recall, we had a very lively debate re the ability of Christians to exercise control over nature. This led further to persons questioning whether God uses these types of disasters to judge nations, and even whether He gets so intimately involved in these areas
Michael D: Further to the update on Grenada, I want to add some follow-up on Guyana. Has anyone on TT seen in the news the disaster that has rocked Guyana in S. America. For those who have not, Guyana (a part of the West Indies) has had their worst floods in over 100 years. Whole areas had to be e
michael douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Michael D:
Anyway to some serious stuff. Ivan was originally due to hit Barbados flush. THe Lord showed to my prayer partner and me during a time of prayer, three Caribbean nations that were in serious jeopardy. They are Jamaica, Guyana and Barbados. Th
This is no different than what DeHaan did with his shady use of Greek words. It is dishonest.
KD SAYS The editors of the DIFFERENT Greek Editions are Masters of the word game like masters of 2 card Monty. Watch carefully.
Romans 3 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is
Bill wrote:
> The truth is that there are some who
> have these tendencies who have not
> or are no longer acting upon their
> sexual desires. Whether they have
> stopped that which was once their
> lifestyle, or they have never acted
> upon their desires in the first place,
> the question remains:
JD SAYS Here is one thing that I do knowhomosexuality [the NT word for, aahh, homosexuality] is one of 26 sins listed in Romans 1. And the point of Romans 1? Does the phrase " and such are some of you" ring any bells? Envy and disobeying our parents are just as bad as h
In like manner, a homosexual who comes to Christ and no longer commits
homosexuality should no
longer be called a homosexual. Do you agree?
I certainly do, -- AND NEITHER SHOULD HE BE CALLED A FILTHY DISGUSTING
PERVERT!
Bill
- Original Message -
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
What about the Adulterer in his heart. The man who only looks. Jesus said this LOOKER has COMMITED Adultery. Sin is a heart problem and does not have to be an observable action, it could just be a thought. Why is this so hard to understand? Having some bad thoughts?. Action & Behavior show what is
With that same concordance in hand, as I stared at the biblical references, I realized that Christ is the one who applies the title to Himself, exclusively.
KD SAYS Ye do err not knowing the scripture "Pastor"
Ever read Ezekial in the OT?
He is called "son of man" 4 times in chapter two alone. 6
If he does not commit the act but still lusts after flesh, what then.
If he does not commit the act BUT:
If he is given over to a reprobate mind, what then?
If he is given up to ALL UNCLEANess, what then?
Can a reprobate given over by God be saved?Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In like mann
Would God use men like these?
The Filth and Corruption are everywhere around the 2 Card Monty Greek game
http://www.angelfire.com/la/prophet1/lex1.html
The 'Nazi connection' will shock Christians of even nominal sensitivities. Adolf Hitler's name is a household word, used synonymously with the co
Kevin wrote:
> On what Authority do you CHANGE
> the Words of God?
I do not change the words of God. God's word was not written in English.
Furthermore, the English language has changed since the KJV. Therefore, I
explain what God's Word is concerning His use of the word "hairesis."
Kevin wro
Izzy wrote:
> David, then why does scripture say that sin
> entered the human race thru Adam (not Eve)
> since she ate the apple first, and she was
> deceived
Eve was made for Adam and from Adam; therefore, Adam was in authority over
her. Her sin is attributed to Adam the same way that we sa
Bill Taylor quoted John:
> Well, for one thing, it does not include the
> lesbian side of the circumstance nor does it
> apply to a hugh population of gay types.
> Many do not practice sodomy.
I thought he was trying to say that there are many homosexuals who had not
yet experienced anal sex, but
John wrote:
> And the point of Romans 1? Does the
> phrase " and such are some of you" ring
> any bells?
No, this phrase does not ring any bells with me. That's the point, John.
The Bible does not teach that some of us are homosexuals.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
--
"Let your
David Miller wrote:
>> ... a homosexual who comes to Christ and
>> no longer commits homosexuality should no
>> longer be called a homosexual. Do you agree?
Bill Taylor wrote:
> I certainly do, -- AND NEITHER SHOULD
> HE BE CALLED A FILTHY DISGUSTING
> PERVERT!
Agreed! I think Terry agrees wi
Bill Taylor wrote:
In like manner, a homosexual who comes to Christ and no longer commits
homosexuality should no
longer be called a homosexual. Do you agree?
I certainly do, -- AND NEITHER SHOULD HE BE CALLED A FILTHY DISGUSTING
PERVERT!
Bill
===
David says Aw, come on, Kevin, you can't even spell it right. Try "eisogesis" not "ISOgesis."
KD SAYS Aw c'mon try eisegesis NOT "eisogesis"
It is Anglicized as Isogesis or for the greekettes eisegesis
Please use the correct spelling if you are going to try to correct someones spellingEtymology:
Kevin wrote:
> What about the Adulterer in his heart.
> The man who only looks.
Such a man is guilty before God.
Kevin wrote:
> Jesus said this LOOKER has COMMITED Adultery.
No, he said he has committed adultery in his heart. Not the same thing, but
wrong behavior nonetheless.
Kevin wrote:
>
Kevin wrote:
> How can we trust you after this
> learned piece of work?
LOL. Kevin, take it easy, man. Back off. This is a discussion list. So
the man became transparent and shared his thoughts, is that any reason to
slap him down? Instruct him in the spirit of meekness. I had hoped to
me
Kevin wrote:
> Can a reprobate given over by God be saved?
Interesting question. I suspect you would get many different
answers to this question on this list.
Peace be with you.David Miller.
He holds himself up as a pastor.
He holds himself up as a teacherHe constantly slaps others and calls names.
I am taking it easy.
David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin wrote:> How can we trust you after this> learned piece of work?LOL. Kevin, take it easy, man. Back off. This is a discussio
OK thank you David, this is the point of distinction I was trying to make with the fact that Sodomites are given over & given up by God. There is something about certain sins, that prevent his long suffering.David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
John wrote:> And the point of Romans 1? Does the> p
Kevin wrote:
> Aw c'mon try eisegesis NOT "eisogesis"
> It is Anglicized as Isogesis or for the greekettes
> eisegesis Please use the correct spelling if you
> are going to try to correct someones spelling
> Etymology: Greek eis into (akin to Greek en in)
LOL. Well, Kevin, I knew you didn't like
Camouflaging of words is a tatic used by groups such as Sodomites & Nazis as in "final Solution"
A Christian has business sheltering or AIDing such a cause (no pun intended)
Remember what God allowed Israel to do to the Benjamites for just such actions.
What is wrong with using the bible word Sodo
By the way, David, I am not a supporter of the gay
rights movement for the very reasons that you articulate below; however as a
Christian I am committed to treating them with dignity and Christian charity. I
would like to share a story with you from J.B. Torrance's Worship,
Community, and th
Pure word of God is what I hold in my hands. AV1611
I did not intend to change heresy to heresies just a typo as you know i make a lot o them!
I fervently resist because I was enlightened to the fact that I have the very words of God in my hand. Those that want to deny such have an agenda. If
So Bill how many have you loved into the Kingdom so far?
What scriptures teach this Philosophy?Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
By the way, David, I am not a supporter of the gay rights movement for the very reasons that you articulate below; however as a Christian I am committed to treat
Izzy wrote:
> David, then why does scripture say that sin
> entered the human race thru Adam (not Eve)
> since she ate the apple first, and she was
> deceived
Eve was made for Adam and from Adam; therefore, Adam was in authority
over
her. Her sin is attributed to Adam the sam
David wrote > I thought he was trying to say that there are many
homosexuals who had not yet experienced anal sex, but perhaps only oral sex
or some other of their various perversions.
Well, there you go: yet another reading on John's text. All the more reason
to withhold judgment until it becom
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:51 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Street Preachers
John wrote:
> And the point of Romans 1? Does th
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005
3:14 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons
and Street Preachers
Kevin wrote:
> Can a reprobate given over by God be saved?
I’ll vouch for that—JD has
called KD “ignorant” twice since I started reading posts at this
sitting. I, for one, am tired of it. Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005
3:23 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglor
Great. Let's let it go now, and on a high note! Cool.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Street Preachers
> Bill Taylor wrote:
>
> >In like manner, a homosexual who comes t
Michael D, I’m always so joyful to
hear from you! Thank you for the updates.
Today I received this email from a
friend, and if it is true it shows that our Lord
can still protect His own from the wind
and waves today:
Subject: Tsunami
testimony
God Protects His own!
We know t
Here is one thing that I do knowhomosexuality [the NT word for, aahh,
homosexuality] is one of 26 sins listed in Romans 1.
And the point of Romans 1? Does the phrase " and such are some
of you" ring any bells? Envy and disobeying our parents
are just as bad as
I do not have to be a
selfish person, or a conceited one, or a bigot, or one who
covets - but, sadly I
will make choices that find me bound to one or the other. I see these
sins in each member of this very forum.
JD
Yes, I agree that is a very sad choice.
Such ch
Kevin asks > What scriptures teach this Philosophy?
Now behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus who
was a chief tax collector, and he was rich. And he sought to see who
Jesus was, but could not because of the crowd, for he was of short
stature. So he ran ahead
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Pure word of God is what I hold in my hands. AV1611
I did not intend to change heresy to heresies just a typo as you know i make a
lot o them!
I fervently resist because I was enlightened to the fact that I have the very words of God in my hand. Those that want to deny such ha
Bill Taylor wrote:
David wrote > I thought he was trying to say that there are many
homosexuals who had not yet experienced anal sex, but perhaps only oral sex
or some other of their various perversions.
Well, there you go: yet another reading on John's text. All the more reason
to withhold judgm
===
Go spend a few years living with them, Bill, then tell me all about
it.
As for me, I will call them like I see them. A brood of vipers is
still
a brood of vipers, even if you describe them as our animal friends.
Terry
> Subject: Fwd: Vote today For Joseph Smith Jr. as Greatest
American
> Subject: Vote today For Joseph Smith Jr. as Greatest American
> What a great way of expressing our love for our prophet!
> You probably have heard or seen this somewhere before, but the
time
>is drawi
Bill says BUT, because it is no longer a social convention to call a homosexual a"sodomite," to do so is to demonstrate a strong and negative bias.
KD says Therefore the Bible is outdated and needs to be updated to keep up with the times Since the book still uses the word Sodomite if we do not upda
BILL says Our job is to love them, to accept them, to embrace them,
KD says Maybe you should organize a group of Christians & create a HUG Ministry. Find the next Sodmite parade or Leather gathering and give them all big christian Love Hugs.
"Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictio
I have a Perfect Savoir who has put His Pure Words in a Perfect bookTerry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin Deegan wrote:>Pure word of God is what I hold in my hands. AV1611> >I did not intend to change heresy to heresies just a typo as you know i make a lot o them!> >I fervently resist beca
Yes he came to seek & save the lost. But where is this love gospel in the scripture you quote?
If this is the True way, what of all the old divines of every stripe, they had it wrong by preaching against sin & naming names?
"In my preaching of the Word, I took special notice of this one thing,
"When respect is not afforded to those so well-deserved, it speaks ill of the one who feels he cannot afford to give it."ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ill vouch for thatJD has called KD ignorant twice since I started reading posts at this sitting. I, for one, am tired of i
Yes I remember. I preach to every one that is the commission it is their responsibility to see what they do with it. Only God knows which are reprobates. There are also some the bible calls simple ones who have not yet started the slide downward. There is ample evidence in the bible that we are to
In a message dated 2/14/2005 3:10:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Since the greekophiles use THE original text, we know there is only ONE original text, right?
Kevin -- no one argues with you about the absense of the original text. It is nowhere to be found. All the m
In a message dated 2/15/2005 5:38:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sodomite is the Bible word unless it has been excised of anything pertaining to sex perverts like the NIV that had two practicing perverts on the commitee. Go ahead try to find anything against perverts in tha
In a message dated 2/15/2005 6:14:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
counselling business or ministry or whatever he calls it. You could go
back through the archives, or you could ask John.
I am a finish carpenter and cabinet maker. Retired pastor after 14 years but still
In a message dated 2/15/2005 10:40:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>" It is not
>just that God in Christ is our savior -- ,but that God In Messiah is our
>savior. God ties together the Divine, the Incarnate ultimately glorified AND
>the very existence and historicit
In a message dated 2/15/2005 11:41:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is no different than what DeHaan did with his shady use of Greek words. It is dishonest.
KD SAYS The editors of the DIFFERENT Greek Editions are Masters of the word game like masters of 2 card Monty. Wa
In a message dated 2/15/2005 12:26:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
With that same concordance in hand, as I stared at the biblical references, I realized that Christ is the one who applies the title to Himself, exclusively.
KD SAYS Ye do err not knowing the scripture "Pa
In a message dated 2/15/2005 12:48:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bill Taylor quoted John:
>Well, for one thing, it does not include the
>lesbian side of the circumstance nor does it
>apply to a hugh population of gay types.
>Many do not practice sodomy.
I thought he was t
In a message dated 2/15/2005 12:52:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John wrote:
>And the point of Romans 1? Does the
>phrase " and such are some of you" ring
>any bells?
No, this phrase does not ring any bells with me. That's the point, John.
The Bible does not teach t
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 2/15/2005 6:14:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
counselling business or ministry or whatever he calls it. You could go
back through the archives, or you could ask John.
I am a finish carpenter and cabi
In a message dated 2/15/2005 1:23:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
He holds himself up as a pastor.
He holds himself up as a teacher
He constantly slaps others and calls names.
I am taking it easy.
Names? What names, Kevin?
In a message dated 2/15/2005 1:56:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Our job, it seems to me, as Christians is not to convict people of their sins; that is the work of the Holy Spirit. Our job is to love them, to accept them, to embrace them, as Roland did the young man, sinner
In a message dated 2/15/2005 2:50:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Iâll vouch for thatâJD has called KD âignorantâ twice since I started reading posts at this sitting. I, for one, am tired of it. Izzy
No I haven't. His comments are incredibly ignorant a
You've GOT to be kidding. Hellloo!
-Original Message-
> Subject: Fwd: Vote today For Joseph Smith Jr. as Greatest
American
> Subject: Vote today For Joseph Smith Jr. as Greatest
American
> What a great way of expressing our love for our prophet
BILL says Our job is to love them, to accept them, to
embrace them,
KD says Maybe you should organize a group of Christians &
create a HUG Ministry. Find the next Sodmite parade or Leather gathering
and give them all big christian Love Hugs.
ROFL!!!
In a message dated 2/15/2005 3:06:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
JD, this sounds like a continual confessing theology, instead of a repenting and putting away sin theology. Sounds permissive as H-E-double-hockey-sticks to me. Izzy
It is biblical, Izzy. Pure D bible.
From:
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Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005
8:38 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Bill says BUT, because it is no longer a social
convention to call
From:
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Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005
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In a message dated 2/15/2005 3:06:56 PM Pacific Standard
Time,
In a message dated 2/15/2005 7:11:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"When respect is not afforded to those so well-deserved, it speaks ill of the one who feels he cannot afford to give it."
ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Iâll vouch for thatâJD has called
In a message dated 2/15/2005 9:32:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is biblical, Izzy. Pure D bible. In I JO 1:9, the confession IS continual. No need to cuss, or maybe that is permited in your theology.
Jd
Oh, Hell is VERY permissive about sin, JD. Very. It is
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Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005
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In a message dated 2/15/2005 9:40:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But, having said that, again, there is so much that you miss when to presist in this willful ignorance you seem to find so holy.
This refers to the ignorance of his anti Greek postion. It is not callin
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