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In a message dated 4/11/2005 5:48:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Again, what would be illegal? Not getting married? People do it all the time. Thatâs not my question, which you do manage to keep ignoring, so nevermindanyway. As far as the imagined photoâwhereâs the proof
In a message dated 4/11/2005 1:31:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:26:03 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, while we are proof-texting like a drunken sailor, we might consider this:
Jews lived and died as the the King of the JEWS.
Jesus didn't
In a message dated 4/11/2005 4:20:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do you honestly believe that what Jesus taught was only valid for pre resurrection Jews?Did I say this Terry. The answer is NO. Not even close. Try reading apart from you Rbias. Whether He was speaking
In a message dated 4/11/2005 1:51:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I prefer pink. Izzy
Noted and saved.
JD
In a message dated 4/11/2005 1:27:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You should read the scriptures b4 U post
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 4/11/2005 9:41:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Only undeniable for those that ERR not knowin
In a message dated 4/11/2005 1:27:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John wrote:
>... but the "pastor" for the ceremony was not licensed by the State.
What State was that? California does not require ministers to be licensed by the state.
Great -- but news t
'scuse me, that's Bruce Cockburn, pls, or T.S.
Eliot, or Hopkins, or at the very least Jane Kenyon. thx
Debbie
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of course; now
DaveH will be waiting for a quote from the BoM, Izzy for a quote from RR, JD for
a quote from Deegan, jt for a quote from Aristotle (on the role of
dualism in the realm of the new Republic)..BT on a quote from Polanyi
quoting Barth..Lance, another line of Dylan, Debbie S a li
http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2005/04/10/6_episcopal_priests_warned_of_ouster/
Boston.com - News - Local - Conn. - 6 Episcopal priests warned of ouster.url
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Only this Message can give AssuranceLance wrote:
> âPreaching predestination, or creation, or the new birth,
> or the baptism of the Spirit is not preaching the gospel."
Acts 2:38 and Acts 19 indicate that baptism of the Spirit is part of the
gospel. So is the new birth. No time to prove it all
John wrote:
> Does anyone know of teaching outside the
> Gospel Accounts that counter the Revelation picture?
You might want to look at Rev. 7:14 in the Greek. These are they who came
out of THE TRIBULATION THE GREAT.
I'm sure you know the significance of definite articles being used this way.
Caroline wrote:
> This is
speculation on my part too but I think
> demons feed off humans especially human
> pain, anger and despair.
You
might reconsider this. Christians often suffer. I don't think this
attracts demons. Rather, I think demons are attracted to those who are in
luxur
John wrote:
> In Galatians, Paul makes clear the teaching on
> holy days -- there are none.
Can you elaborate on this, John? What specific passage did you have in
mind?
John wrote:
> The eating of meats? No reason to NOT eat except,
> of course, the conscience of some believers
Lance wrote:
> The fabled (non-biblical)
non-biblical?
2 Corinthians 12:2
(2) I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I
cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such
an one caught up to the third heaven.
Lance wrote:
> ... notion of a
Gary wrote:
> "There is such a thing as perfection..It is not absolute.
> ..Absolute perfection belongs not to man, nor to angels,
> but to God alone."
>
> Attributed to John Wesley founder of the Methodist Church
> http://www.worldinvisible.com/library/wesley/8317/831712.htm
I'm glad to see that
acc to the
article**, below, this is false:
> we are all getting “done over” by
Uncle Sam [via Izzy]
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 04:07:23 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43730
**<< those who pay nothing or less
No, it would be illegal. The government determines these laws
and we are asked to submit to the government
... so Kathy and I did. We showed
our subtle contempt for the secular world when we proceeded with a
"Christian" ceremony. We could have combined both, you
I am only reading scripture. Specifically, with what part of the
argument (above) do you disagree? I would like to know.
Jd
All of it. Izzy
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In a message dated 4/11/2005 12:07:14
PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, while we are proof-texting like a drunken sailor, we might
consider this: Jews lived and died as the the King
Possibly some "Restoration" residuals. Maybe Smitson is the true Israel.ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Actually, I was not asking for your non-answer. In fact, I was "asking" as a set-up for the rest of the posted discussion. I am saying that "few" refers to the Jews -- making
A) husband, wife & state?
B) Fundamentalist (polygymanist) Mormons live in Southern Utah
I agree the state has NO Business in the family.
Name one problem the state has ever fixed.
"War on Poverty"?
"War on Drugs"?
"war on Dead Beat Dads"?
"social security"? Oh yeah, that was fixed a few weeks
What about the prophecies and the
rest of scripture JD?
"I the Lord have called thee in
righteousness and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the
Gentiles; to open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the
prison, a
Title: One line that says an awful lot
ï
So where do we go from here? Do we just rest on
His laurels now or should we "labor" to enter into His
rest? (Heb 4:11) by "striving" against sin (Heb 12:4) -
What sayeth Mr. Torrance?
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 06:19:37 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECT
You should read the scriptures b4 U post[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 4/11/2005 9:41:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Only undeniable for those that ERR not knowing the scriptures:Act 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that th
ï
John wrote:
> ... but the
"pastor" for the ceremony was not licensed by the State.
What State was that? California does not
require ministers to be licensed by the state.
http://usmarriagelaws.com/search/united_states/officiants_requirements/index.shtml
Peace be with you.David Miller.
In a message dated 4/11/2005 12:34:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Because it is the law, of course.
Jd
What is the law? That you have to get married in a civil ceremony for it to be legal in Godâs eyes? Iâm just thinking out loud here, JD. What about those who donât
In a message dated 4/11/2005 12:32:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Because Christ physical ministry was to the Jews and not the Gentiles. Couple that with the fact that all such statments are presented to a Jewish audience.
JD
So then it follows that His promises
I think that one
of these days, I will send you a case of fresh towels
!!! :-)
Jd
I prefer pink. Izzy
Because it is the law, of course.
Jd
What is the law? That
you have to get married in a civil ceremony for it to be legal in God’s eyes?
I’m just thinking out loud here, JD. What about those who don’t see it that
way? I know their marriage isn’t recognized by the State, but should
Because Christ physical
ministry was to the Jews and not the Gentiles. Couple that with the
fact that all such statments are presented to a Jewish audience.
JD
So then it follows that His promises are
in the physical realm only??? Scripture is not just presented to a Jewish
audie
In a message dated 4/11/2005 12:07:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, while we are proof-texting like a drunken sailor, we might consider this: Jews lived and died as the the King of the . JEWS. His
In a message dated 4/11/2005 11:26:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
JD, to follow your âJews onlyâ theology, only Jews are required to obey God today, and only Jews can be saved today. You are just trying to avoid the obvious truthâthere is no longer Jew or Gentil
In a message dated 4/11/2005 11:22:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not bad advice from my experience, Iâm becoming a believer in avoiding letting the govât be involved at all in oneâs marriage. Being married by God vs married by the State; do you really need both to be leg
In a message dated 4/11/2005 11:21:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually, I was not asking for your non-answer. In fact, I was "asking" as a set-up for the rest of the posted discussion. I am saying that "few" refers to the Jews -- making the Rev 7 contrast of uncou
In a message dated 4/11/2005 9:41:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Only undeniable for those that ERR not knowing the scriptures:
Act 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing y
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, while we are proof-texting like a drunken sailor, we might
consider this: Jews lived and died as the the King of the
. JEWS. His lineage was
..Jewish. He was killed by the
Debbie Sawczak wrote:

Sorry, I already deleted all
the messages about marriage, so I'm stuck starting a new thread.
JD, I'm intrigued by your post about
waiting till the 24th. I guess the point would be the participation of
the believing community, since no marriage is an i
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
On the way to work this morning I was thinking about how you wield
the term "mystery" like it is an evil tool whose purpose is to
perpetuate the doctrine of the Trinity.
I though of an analogy that may provide you with enough
understanding to allow you to us
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Subject:
[Fwd: Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow Way Not Loving]
Date:
Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:51:56 -0500
From:
Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Original Message
JD, to follow your “Jews only”
theology, only Jews are required to obey God today, and only Jews can be saved
today. You are just trying to avoid the obvious truth—there is no
longer Jew or Gentile in Christ. And “few” still means “few”
(Jew OR Gentile). As I said, the many in Revelation
Not bad advice from my experience, I’m becoming a
believer in avoiding letting the gov’t be involved at all in one’s marriage.
Being married by God vs married by the State; do you really need both to be
legitimate? What do you think? Izzy
My wife and I were married twice 4 1/2 years ago
Kevin, what does that mean regarding my
question? Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:12
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stay
Single Young Man
3 parties are too many i
Actually, I was not asking for your non-answer. In fact, I was
"asking" as a set-up for the rest of the posted
discussion. I am saying that "few" refers to the
Jews -- making the Rev 7 contrast of uncountable hordes of
saved folk a "no problem" issue. The correct response, Izzy,
sh
In a message dated 4/11/2005 8:44:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
JD, I'm intrigued by your post about waiting till the 24th. I guess the point would be the participation of the believing community, since no marriage is an island. But surely God is witness to the civil cer
Only undeniable for those that ERR not knowing the scriptures:
Act 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gen
DAVEH: oneness of God as it applies to man as found in Jn 17:21
I have inserted the LDS understanding of ONE "IN PURPOSE" into the passage.
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one "IN PURPOSE"; as thou, Father, art i
So, while we are proof-texting like a drunken sailor, we might consider this: Jews lived and died as the the King of the . JEWS. His lineage was ..Jewish. He was killed by the . Jews. T
ï
Sorry, I already deleted all the messages
about marriage, so I'm stuck starting a new thread.
JD, I'm intrigued by your post about waiting till
the 24th. I guess the point would be the participation of the believing
community, since no marriage is an island. But surely God is witness to th
In a message dated 4/11/2005 3:15:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
âBy referring to the gospel as the hermeneutical key I mean that proper interpretation of any part of the Bible requires us to relate it to the person and work of Jesus. This was recognized in Article III of
In a message dated 4/11/2005 3:15:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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To: Lance Muir
Sent: April 10, 2005 15:07
Subject: Only this Message can give Assurance
âPreaching predestination, or creation, or the new birth, or th
In a message dated 4/11/2005 2:14:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not bad advice from my experience, Iâm becoming a believer in avoiding letting the govât be involved at all in oneâs marriage. Being married by God vs married by the State; do you really need both to be legit
3 parties are too many in a marriage unless you live in southern UtahCaroline Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Pros for legal marriage
1) legal protection and rights including survivor benefits, inheritance, insurance etc.
2) tax breaks
3) teens can't contract serial marriages/divorces behind th
In a message dated 4/11/2005 1:46:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How do we reconcile Matt 22:14 "many are called; few are chosen" with passages like Rev. 7:9 "more than could be counted .. from every nation and tribe?"
JD
Already asked and answered. So if
Methinks your mormon brainwashing is getting in the way of your
understanding.
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:18:52 -0700
DAVEH: Whe
This part is not a mystery...he both WAS God and was WITH God, a situation
that only the Trinitarian model resolves. I know this boggles the finite
mind, but go with what the text says instead of trying to map it to
something that contradicts the text.
If the Word (Jesus prior to the incarnatio
PS I do know of Believers who have
chosen to marry “in the Lord” w/o a legal state ceremony for
reasons stated in the article below. Do you think God thinks they aren’t
married w/o a “legal” ceremony? Izzy
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Behalf Of Shields
Persons who disagree with us, not surprisingly,
tend NOT to discuss/explain to our satisfaction. Curious, isn't
it?
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this
Mormo
DAVEH: Whew! That is a lot of stuff, Perry. After reading through
it though, I find much I'd dispute, starting with...
G-3: Jesus is clearly not the Son of God in a literal sense, i.e.,
He was not physically procreated by
God
As you might suspect Perry, I do believe Jesus is
Title: Jesus being the Hermeneutical Key
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From: Hughes Jonathan
To: Lance Muir
Sent: April 10, 2005 15:08
Subject: Jesus being the Hermeneutical Key
âBy referring to the gospel as the hermeneutical key I mean that proper interpretation of
any part of the Bible requires us to relate it to th
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DavidH wrote:
... After pondering all that, I do find it curious that you would
claim Mormons believe a different Jesus than is found in the Bible.
Ponder this:
The Jesus of the bible is God incarnate...not another or different god.
(See Jo
Good points, Caroline. But, to play
devil’s advocate, the whole point of the article was to protect yourself
from the State’s “protection” of you/yours. As for #1,
that can be accomplished with a legal trust. For #2, some elder folks
here avoid marriage and live together because tax-wise
Dave,
On the way to work this morning I was thinking about how you wield the
term "mystery" like it is an evil tool whose purpose is to perpetuate the
doctrine of the Trinity.
I though of an analogy that may provide you with enough understanding to
allow you to use the word "mystery" withou
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How do we reconcile Matt
22:14 "many are called; few are chosen" with passages like Rev.
7:9 "more than could be counted .. from every nation and
tribe?"
We understand that ALL scripture is given by "inspiration of God" and
that Go
Lance Muir wrote:
Jesus being the Hermeneutical Key

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Original Message -
From:
Hughes Jonathan
To: Lance Muir
Sent: April 10, 2005 15:08
Subject: Jesus being the Hermeneutical Key
“By referring to the gospel as the
hermeneutical key I mean
Title: Only this Message can give Assurance
ï
You are to be commended for the thought put into
this response.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: April 11, 2005 08:51
Subject: Re: [Truth
Title: Only this Message can give Assurance
ï
Lance/Jonathan - it's not good to follow
cunningly devised fables; who is this Graeme Goldsworthy?
1. We don't WORK God or
His Word/gospel; we OBEY the gospel ie:
"For the time is come that judgment must
begin at the house of God; and if it f
Pros for legal marriage
1) legal protection and rights including survivor
benefits, inheritance, insurance etc.
2) tax breaks
3) teens can't contract serial marriages/divorces
behind their parents backs. Some are probably doing it anyway but they know such
marriages are not accepted.
When t
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How do we reconcile Matt 22:14 "many
are called; few are chosen" with passages like Rev. 7:9 "more than
could be counted .. from every nation and tribe?"
Do we realize that statements such as Matt 22:14 ARE LIMITED to the
Gospel Accounts? When Christ speak
Title: One line that says an awful lot
ï
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From: Hughes Jonathan
To: Lance Muir
Sent: April 10, 2005 15:30
Subject: One line that says an awful lot
âIf we think of belief, trust, or
faith as forms of human activity before God, then we must think of Jesus Christ
Title: Jesus being the Hermeneutical Key
ï
- Original Message -
From: Hughes Jonathan
To: Lance Muir
Sent: April 10, 2005 15:08
Subject: Jesus being the Hermeneutical Key
âBy referring to the gospel as the hermeneutical
key I mean that proper interpretation of any part of the Bible
Title: Only this Message can give Assurance
ï
- Original Message -
From: Hughes Jonathan
To: Lance Muir
Sent: April 10, 2005 15:07
Subject: Only this Message can give Assurance
âPreaching predestination, or creation, or the
new birth, or the baptism of the Spirit is not preaching t
Becoming Gods'-A closer look at 21st-century
Mormonism-Richard Abanes-2004-Harvest House
-who God is, who Jesus is and what it means to participate in their divine
nature
-what role the Book of Mormon and other authoritative writings play in LDS
beliefs
-how Mormons are now dealing with eva
Stay Single Young Man! http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43732.
Not bad advice from my experience, I’m
becoming a believer in avoiding letting the gov’t be involved at all in
one’s marriage. Being married by God vs married by the State; do you
really need both to be legi
Wishing you could understand the answer: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43730
Izzy
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Loving
How do we reconcile Matt 22:14 "many
are called; few are chosen" with passage
The good kind.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
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Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Did he say if they were the good kind or the evil
ones? judyt
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