[TruthTalk] Christian Divisiveness

DAVEH:  While it does make for an interesting sideshow, to me it is rather disappointing.  I had hoped that most non LDS Christians would find more agreement in their beliefs.  I'm not sure why I thought that would be the case though, as history has repeatedly demonstrated the lack of cohesion

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

DAVEH:  As I see it, the big problem was not the heresy as much as it was the lack of authority. Judy Taylor wrote: From my perspective the Mormon boys are being shown by those of you who adhere to Orthodoxy to a Tee that Joseph Smith was right - His big problem was with the here

Re: [TruthTalk] questions for Kevin . . (was playing chess . . . etc).

DAVEH:  As I understand most TTer's perspective, those who uphold an untrue (or perhaps incorrect would be a better term) belief are condemned to a fiery physically torturous hell for failing to believe in the correct Jesus, whatever that means.     From my perspective it means that one is slo

Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14

John, could Freud (or Kevin) have been right? You wrote: "it is not in my bile of choice (NASV) ..." :-) JD -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

DAVEH:   And..the Son of man as well.   Do other TTers not find that immensely important? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't be fooled.  The scriptures plainly teach that Jesus Christ was God and man.   -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.

Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14

Do a little comparative reading on verse v. 37  --  it is not in my bile of choice  (NASV)  But even with its inclusion  --  "    but I see nothing there that conflicts with what I said.  Do you?    JD  -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.in

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Sure  -  make your point.  -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:40:47 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 Yes, Judy, since BT says it doesn?t address the subject at all. iz   From: [EMAIL PRO

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

  To et al  (kevin you may read along if you prefer) Life is easy when you are not compelled to deal with root issues and questions posed to you.  I have asked perhaps a dozen or more different questions of late dealing with what I consider to the primary issues in a given debate  -   to no avail.

Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14

  My argument was quite biblical.  When you want to honestly discuss the issue, let me know.   This post is not that effort.     JD     -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:41:47 -0400Subject: [TruthTalk] John

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

just another meaningless tautology.   Why do you find it necessary to speak about things you cannot possible know anything about?   Another ad hom moment here on TT.   I consider the source and it is OK.    Jd  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@m

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

DAVEH:  You might have better luck turning wine into water   :-) Terry Clifton wrote: Just like I can turn water into wine?  I wish.  Terry -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish t

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

No kidding.  -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:05:48 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 Rather childish in my opinion.Terry[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The perfect ending to "yes I do" - "No I don

Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14

Not in any of my translations  -- let's see;  I have three Gk interlinear's , a KJV,  RSV< NASV, NLB, NET and The Message     nope, not in any of these.  Where do you find it in yours?   JD  -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.inn

Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

  Blainer:  True faith is neither rational nor emotional--it is spiritual, one of the gifts of the spirit, which God bestows on those who love him and seek to serve him.    In a message dated 7/22/2005 7:52:58 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could be DM is saying th

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Lance, I feel you really are mixing apples and oranges here. Some of the characteristics of the jesus and god that the mormons worship mimic the Jesus and God of the Bible...enough that they can convince the undiscerning that they are the same. It is when one begins to examine the non-biblic

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Boy, my children are 24, 22, and 16 and I sure am glad they are finally mature enough that they don't argue like this any more! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:35:0

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

I did not get BT's post,   referenced below.   Linda, when you finish drying off, could you repost?   Thanks so much, in advance.    JD  -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:40:47 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re

Re: [TruthTalk] The Tree of Delusion FYI

Linda, try to keep up.   I asked the question because judy HAD JUST Extensively QUOTED THE GUY AND HAD WRITTEN HIS NAME O   S  W  A   L   D   C   H   A   M   B   E  R  S  (that OC for those of you in the South) AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE!!.  Get it?   FiNish drying o

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

You did not answer my question?     -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:56:40 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter' Understanding whether Jesus had the ability to be tempted in the

Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment** I need help watching.

Actually, everyone has been quite good, in my opinion.  No actual crossing of the line in view of the fact that expressions of eternal judgments do not qualify as ad hom.    All is good.   But I am disappointed that you put your family and wife ahead of those of us who accept your leadership and

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Rather childish in my opinion. Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The perfect ending to "yes I do" - "No I don't."    And because Lance said it first  --  HE WINS.    Finally.   JD    -Original Message- From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Se

Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do we not find people in the NT scriptures "inviting the Lord into their lives?"      = Check out the Etheopean eunuch.  See if he doesn't fit that picture.

Re: [TruthTalk] John 3 -- born again

Finally.   I was running out of bait !!!      In John 3, Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, speaks in terms of "ye must be born again."  These words are nowhere to be found in the evangelistic presentations of those who proclaimed the "good news."   That is what I was referencing.  Why

RE: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Understanding whether Jesus had the ability to be tempted in the flesh or not is NOT a test that will be given at heaven’s gate. iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 5:25 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.or

RE: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14

We see it all the time.  Did they leave that part out of your translation also? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 5:23 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14  

RE: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Myth.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 2:27 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'   Please remember that Jesus already 'gave you a break', Linda. Yo

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Lance Muir wrote: What I OBSERVE David, is a whole lotta fuzzifyin' and scramblin' goin' on to accommodate Judy. Over time I also OBSERVE David, that you possess more latitude than I initially thought. Perhaps, you're prepared to call Blaine a 'brother in the Lord' now. David and every ot

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Lance Muir wrote: Forget what I 'say'. Just stand back and watch. I'd say that what this amounts to is a sideshow for our Mormon friends. They are being told by Perry, Kevin, you, David and Linda that that which and, in Whom, they believe is not Biblical. You folks are demonstrating

Re: [TruthTalk] Klaus Nomi, the one hit wonder agrees with David & Judy

What are you talking about, keevin.   All He needs to do is ask you !!  You're the one who has it all figured out.  Feigned humilty fools no one.      -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:58:28 -0700 (PDT)Subject:

Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:58:47 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the foolishness of the [NT] Christ occupied cross..    ..with.. [only] THAT..[his followers] are ..the Christian fellowship..     such 'foolishness' is Grasped* via whom else but the Spirit of JC  himself?

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Who says this is not an esstential?  You?   DM?   And what are these "essentials/"  None of you fundies ever get around to answering that question.   Do you all think this goes unnoticed?     -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri,

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Take it up with the writer of Hebrews, not me.    JD  -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:34:15 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, why does not Heb 2:17 define "l

Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

says you?   You think "conviction" is just a casual but important intellectual decision.?  Intellectualism is compared to emotion -- the emotion of love -  in I Cor 8:1-3.   Now, go ahead and tell me that "love" in that passage is not an emotion,  I am ready !!   JD -Original Message-From:

Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14

Why do we not find people in the NT scriptures "inviting the Lord into their lives?"    -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:14:39 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14 Bill, I think the error here is

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

I don't.   What I see is a man  (you) asserting a part of Christology to the exclusion of those concerns included under that banner with which he just happens to disagree, asserting what he knows to be true against what others know to be true.    -Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

 You can spend all of your time in worldliness and carnality  Jt describes Lance Muir.   This is where you go over the line.   If I were to say this of you,  you would be pitching a fit.   If this were said of David,  he would go off on one of his ad hom trips, kinda like someone on Vicodin.  A te

Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

I will give it a shot:    biblical truth is ex-static   --  full of the kind of dynamic that presents itself (biblical truth) with the ability to fulfill the spiritual needs  (whether intellectual, emotional or matters of the lesser known "spirit") of the believer regardless of his/her level of aw

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Lance Muir wrote: Please remember that Jesus already 'gave you a break', Linda. You're not needing a 'break' from me.   Let me say something to everyone on TT who employs the letters RCC as an epithet; THIS WAS THE BIRTH OF CHRIST'S CHURCH!! If y'all got a problem with that th

[TruthTalk] A Tribute to David Miller

Too many years ago I watched a team who played softball. They were billed as 'The King and His Court'. As I recall there were but four of them. They'd play the local team at what appeared to be a considerable disadvantage. The pitcher occasionally put a blindfold on. He'd pitch to some from

Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

In a message dated 7/21/2005 6:12:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blainer:> Motivation to believe or disbelieve can come from other> sources than emotion.    I am talking mainly about approval> from significant others, such as parents, TT members, friends,> et

Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

A well worded defense without a hint of bibliosity to it.  My counter?   Romans 14 and the "vegetarian" whose "faith" found itself to be true because of the depth of the conviction!  It is in fact the doctrine of men that asserts intellect to the exclusion of emotion   -   such is empty an

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

  nor do I see how it proves that the Spirit does not reveal truth to both of us.   DM   But I do and that is the point of my postplausible deniability not withstanding.    JD      -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 2

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

I do not think Gal 5:19 and the workings of the flesh have anything to do with what I am talking about.   But He was made like us in every respect  (again Heb. 2:17 is saying just this very thing).  Could He have sinned.   Absolutely.  I will say this and would appreciate others sounding off on wh

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Please remember that Jesus already 'gave you a break', Linda. You're not needing a 'break' from me.   Let me say something to everyone on TT who employs the letters RCC as an epithet; THIS WAS THE BIRTH OF CHRIST'S CHURCH!! If y'all got a problem with that then, take it up with Him.  From

Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  myth [biblical truth ex-statically defies any/every thought process ever concluded; as JC says, 'the [only] doctrine' behind doing his will, below, is doing his will--indeed(!) that 'Christ crucified:.. [is the] foolishness [of his followers, too]..' (1Co

Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

and I am saying that true faith includes emotion and subjectivity and this can be effectively argued from a biblical perspective.     JD -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:51:37

Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

 myth [biblical truth ex-statically defies any/every thought process ever concluded; as JC says, 'the [only] doctrine' behind doing his will, below, is doing his will--indeed(!) that 'Christ crucified:.. [is the] foolishness [of his followers, too]..' (1Cor1) is the only absolute of their en

RE: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

And who were those “orthodox” Christians for 2000 years, Lance? The RCC??? Give me a break. iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 2:12 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' v

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Ohh Judy, you poor dear. Are ya runnin' outa prooftexts to make your point 'weaker'? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: July 22, 2005 15:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

You and the others who support you give every indication that the distinctiveness of Jesus as believed/taught by orthodox Christians for 2,000 years is of little consequence. It's a kind of make-it-up-as YOU read Scripture kinda thingy. OK I guess is being orthodox matters little to you. It'

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

So Mr. Answer Man - I know you have it all sewed up with your "incarnational" doctrine and all, noone has to sweat it - not anyone, least of all you.  You can spend all of your time in worldliness and carnality and when you hear the trumpet and  it's time of the Marriage Supper just barge in 

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

From my perspective the Mormon boys are being shown by those of you who adhere to Orthodoxy to a Tee that Joseph Smith was right - His big problem was with the heresy of all the sects.  It's not difficult to see as it's even worse today than it was then - he was right on that point -   On

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

How 'bout the children/hell thingy? Speculation of the first order! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: July 22, 2005 14:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 Lance why d

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Forget what I 'say'. Just stand back and watch. I'd say that what this amounts to is a sideshow for our Mormon friends. They are being told by Perry, Kevin, you, David and Linda that that which and, in Whom, they believe is not Biblical. You folks are demonstrating that A It can't be known (

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Lance why don't you check the scriptures first before running off at the mouth and labelling everything and everyone who dosent' align themself with the heresy you endorse?  Do you know what Paul said about marriage between believer and non-believer in the NT and their children?   On Fri, 22

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

What I OBSERVE David, is a whole lotta fuzzifyin' and scramblin' goin' on to accommodate Judy. Over time I also OBSERVE David, that you possess more latitude than I initially thought. Perhaps, you're prepared to call Blaine a 'brother in the Lord' now. - Original Message - From: "D

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Noone who thinks they know anything about anything is ever fine with Lance; he is the one who says we can't know because of Enlightenment thinking and all that because it has stymied the Holy Spirit who just can't perform anymore because of it  which makes the Bible useless and impossible to

Re: [TruthTalk] exodus

Nope. Maybe if it was Texas or Montana, but I have lived in South Carolina and did not see anything there that would make me want to move back. As to the premise; who knows? Heaven on earth? Not likely. Could work, but Satan would be there working overtime, trying to give the media a daily

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Izzy wrote: >> So do you believe that Jesus is God? Lance wrote: > I believe that neither Judy nor David 'believes' that > that this 'belief' actually matters Yes, this belief does matter, but not a belief in the Trinity or if one understands how much if any of a sinful nature of the flesh Jesus

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Wow! What a load ofwell...speculation in that second paragraph. May we be blessed with OT & NT scriptures which explicitly teach what you just 'taught'? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: July 22, 2005 13:51 Subject:

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Where on earth did THAT idea come from? Lower your intake of sasperella (it was OK for Hoppy but not for you, apparently) The Bible is just fine, Terry. It is one or both of the contributors who is not 'fine' in their understanding of the Bible's teaching. This in spite of the fact that they

[TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Yes, I do believe we all come into this world with an "inheritance" in and a natural "propensity" toward sin which is why it is our responsibility not to waste any time in training our children in the ways of God - it's not long before their rebellious little sin natures would take the pla

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Lance Muir wrote: At last we've been presented with the opportunity to demonstrate this 'He will lead you into all truth' thingy is misunderstood by those who have most often cited it (Judy, David).   Both are faithful servants of the Lord, both have 'studied to show themselves

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, why does not Heb 2:17 define "likeness" in your mind?   He became like us in all respects is the message of 2:17.    Jd

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

ShieldsFamily wrote: JD and Lance are really enjoying heckling, aren’t they? Is that a fruit of the Spirit—heckling? izzy   No.  That is the spirit of the fruitcake.

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

I believe that neither Judy nor David 'believes' that that this 'belief' actually matters as they are both (mutually) on their way to 'believing' something or other about this Jesus thingy. Happily it's not an -essential-to-salvation 'belief'. - Original Message - From: Shiel

RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

No the French wreaked havoc on themselves, and that far before Nap took over the reigns.  In fact, the French have basically never won a war because they’d rather throw up their arms and surrender.  That’s except for the wars that Nap won for them. (He was ITALIAN!!!) And he was about as lo

RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

So do you believe that Jesus is God? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:02 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14   I believe scri

RE: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14

Isn't the world and the things of the world also satan's realm of death? izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:05 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14 Are you d

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

When Judy and Linda do this that's not what THEY call it! Just taking our lead from the more 'spirit(ual)' among us. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: July 22, 2005 12:07 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

What the 'hey', it's not an essential-to-being-saved issue so, the fuzzier the better. It's only Jesus guys. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: July 22, 2005 12:14 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 Judy,

Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

Happily, of course, we can make discrete separations between the two ATI. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: July 22, 2005 12:15 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma No, JD, faith is NOT an emotion.  I

RE: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

Did they follow the same theologians as you do, or did you pick that up on your own? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:59 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma  

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Exactly, Iz! What on earth was Jesus thinking when He said: 'Who do people say that the Son of Man is..?"   Blaine et al The Spirit brother of Lucifer JW: Michael the Archangel Jt;I've no idea DM:He'd have to explain   Certainly not an 'essential-to-being-saved' issue!!  - Original Mes

RE: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

No, JD, faith is NOT an emotion.  It is an act of the will. izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:44 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma    True fait

RE: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Jt—ignore the hecklers. (My advice.) iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:30 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'   S,  "infallibili

RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Judy, it seems that you believe that being born with a fleshly human nature is what defiles us.  I believe it does not: it simply gives us the Propensity to sin.  We are not defiled unless/until we actually sin.  (Which Jesus obviously did not do.) That is why it does not bother DM or me to

RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

JD and Lance are really enjoying heckling, aren’t they? Is that a fruit of the Spirit—heckling? izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 6:42 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:J

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

He also reaked havoc on the French! That's a good thing isn't it? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: July 22, 2005 12:04 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 Napoleon wasn’t all bad; he did arrest the Pop

RE: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Lance, what you fail to “apprehend” is that if DM and JT are truly seeking Truth (which they are), then eventually they will reach agreement.  The nice thing is that they are not disagreeing on anything of essential-to-being-saved issues.  izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[E

[TruthTalk] Hey Guys! What say we go preach the gospel to the lost?

What a great idea! Yikes! Who's gospel are we going to preach? Wacha mean 'who's gospel? Well ya got yer DM gospel  with it's Weslyan Holiness leanings and an accompanying legalistic/fundamentalist bent; yer Jt gospel with a kind of Jesus of her own imagining...Ya, I see watcha mean. Oh well

RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Napoleon wasn’t all bad; he did arrest the Pope. iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 6:20 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14   Napoleon Bonaparte may not have be

Re: [TruthTalk] Kevin - Have you ever wondered why?????????

So what is your point? I am VALIDated by you? > --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Pretty much nobody ever responds to you? > > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) >

Re: [TruthTalk] Kevin - Have you ever wondered why?????????

They have no answers, just questions Here is a TRUTH for you: Oil & Water do not mix --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pretty much nobody ever responds to you? Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

RE: [TruthTalk] exodus

Terry, are you endorsing this? iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:14 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] exodus www.christianexodus.org/ -- "Let your speech be al

Re: [TruthTalk] Kevin - Have you ever wondered why?????????

I don't think he writes with a response in mind and from the way he describes his life he wouldn't have a lot of  time to spend answering them anyway Do you think that this bothers him Lance?   On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:25:43 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Pretty much nobody ev

[TruthTalk] Kevin - Have you ever wondered why?????????

Pretty much nobody ever responds to you?

[TruthTalk] **Moderator comment** I need help watching.

Normally, I try to read every TT post, but when TT'rs post as furiously as you have been for the last day or so, my real job (the one for which I get paid) and other obligations like parenting, husbanding, get in the way of my moderating. So, to help me out, if you recognize an ad-hominem (even

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: greetings from ky: long version

A liberalism! --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A perspectivalism!! > - Original Message - > From: ShieldsFamily > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Sent: July 22, 2005 09:40 > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: greetings from ky: long version > >

RE: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14

Bill, I think the error here is in thinking that being born again must include a powerful emotional experience.  If that is the criteria by which your pastor judges it is not a biblical model. I believe in simply having the person pray a prayer of repentance for sin, and invite Jesus to be

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

By the way JD, you have NO NADA NONE NO CONVICTIONS you change your doctrine daily You are just a Minister of Questions (Details in the Bible) --- Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > JD you need to be taken to task for your scandalous misquoting. You > have no idea what DM is saying but you

[TruthTalk] Klaus Nomi, the one hit wonder agrees with David & Judy

  Hmmm - vain and futile imaginings - some ppl judge themselves unworthyFrom: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>I guess God will just have to sort it out on judgement day.   --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   > but not with Lance, Bill, John and Gary (put your hand up, Gary just> t

[TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

  Lance you need to spend some time meditating on Psalm 1 for your own sake if nothing else. From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Do you truly not see as God sees on this issue, David? Might you be wrong?     From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> JD wrote:>> Judy's opinion is clearly NOT

RE: [TruthTalk] questions for Kevin . . (was playing chess . . . etc).

Only the ALL KNOWING God of the whole universe could tell the future! --- ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ps 41:9 > 9Even my close friend in whom I trusted, > Who ate my bread, > Has lifted up his heel against me. > > > > > > _ > > From: [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14

Obviously your Bible translation left out Jesus’ conversation with Nicodemus.  izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:31 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14  

RE: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14

Are you describing TT to a TEE? One correction "one is living in satan's realm (world and the things of the world) --- ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't see any of this nearly as complicated as everyone is making > it. A "spiritually dead" person is going to hell when he physica

RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Izzy in bold blue:   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:33 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14   Bill in green. - Original Message - From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Klaus Nomi, the one hit wonder agrees with David & Judy

I guess God will just have to sort it out on judgement day. --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > but not with Lance, Bill, John and Gary (put your hand up, Gary just > to show us that you're still here). > > David & July claim not only to know themselves but, also us. They > further c

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Do you truly not see as God sees on this issue, David? Might you be wrong? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: July 22, 2005 10:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 JD wrote: Judy's opinion is clearly NOT just an opinion in her view - r

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

Doncha just love the built-in patronizing attitutude of some.'more in agreement than you probably realize'. Really, David! Perhaps not. You're lucid almost always, David. You're not always smart. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: July 22, 2005 10

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