Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
CPL, CPL, CPL this is why we need a prophet so he can change the scriptures and insert new doctrines to fix problems that exist only in the minds of those that are blinded by the 'god' of THIS WORLD.   October 1880 General Conference of the church, Orson Pratt said: "No man without the Priesthood,

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
must be an impostor   And again DH chooses to ignore the differentiators and focus on what is held in common. How else can one pass a counterfeit?   SAME NAME DIFFERENT NATURES/CHARACTERS Jesus of the Bible uncreated creator of satan   Jesus of mormonism createdBro of satan son of 'god' who lives n

[TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!

2005-11-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, Moses cannot see God and live in the Bible, but he can in the PoGP! Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. MOS 1:2 And he saw God face to face, and he talked with him, and the glory of God was upon Moses; therefore Moses could e

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Kevion, If that is so, and since we know the One in the Bible is the One who died on the cross for our sins, then the one whose father is a man from Kolob and and whose brother is Satan must be an impostor. Perry From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

[TruthTalk] mormon god finite and infinite at the same time - a true mormon mystery.

2005-11-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, if I am not mistaken, it is a mormon belief that the mormon god was once a man (from Kolob) who was a created being (if not as a man, at least created as a spirit). Yet, in the PoGP (one of your standard works consisting of revelation to JS, right?) I find the following, which appears to

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Since DH did not disassociate from the original statement of Dean, that would be the one whoose father lives near KOLOB!Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Which one died on the cross, the One in the Bible, or the one whose father is a man from Kolob and and whose brother is Satan?>From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Which one died on the cross, the One in the Bible, or the one whose father is a man from Kolob and and whose brother is Satan? From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 2

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Your LDS Repentance is NG like your last New years resolution:   Have you STOPPED SINNING? Page 67 of the LDS Church manual Gospel Fundamentals insists, "Our Father in heaven does not sin, and He does not allow people who sin to live with Him. To live with Him, we must repent of our sins. To repent

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Perhaps it is a problem with "KEEP COMMANDMENTS"? KEEP: not to lose or part with, to fulfill; to perform; as, to keep one's word,promise or covenant.   D&C 25:15 Keep my commandments continually, and a crown of righteousness thou shalt receive. And except thou do this, where I am you cannot come.

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
By deeds I meant your walk should match your deeds Not your Talk.   YOU MUST FORSAKE - ABANDON SIN "The forsaking of sin must be a permanent one. True repentance does not permit making the same mistake again." (Tract, Repentance Brings Forgiveness).   FORSAKE: to renounce or turn away from entirely

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Right   Notice DH has no problem with: The one whoose father lives near Kolob and who is Satans brother. Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Which one?DAVEH:  The one who died on the cross.He is my Savior and Redeemer.Charles Perry Locke wrote: DAVEH:   FTRSo that there is no mistake or m

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Just a half truth, O Well use the only Begotten God bible, just don't try to deal with a JW with it.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get some books,  Dean, and answer this question yourself!!   My NASV says  "by everthing that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord"  while my NKJV  says "by every word that

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dave
DAVEH:   Noit wasn't my intention to leave you out of it, G.  ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is this an adults-only conversation?   On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:41:57 -0800 Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: What do your deeds show? DAVEH:   I don't want them to s

Re: [TruthTalk] Nothing Would Prevail

2005-11-12 Thread Dave
DAVEH:  OK Dean.   Guess that ends the discussion.   Like I said beforeI do not believe they are in disagreement..and you've not given me any evidence otherwise. Dean Moore wrote: cd: No I will not as you have been giving that info many times-The "Mormon Spin" is old.  

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread ttxpress
is this an adults-only conversation?   On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:41:57 -0800 Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: What do your deeds show? DAVEH:   I don't want them to show anything, Kevin. ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dave
So, you like it because it is all wrong  ???  DAVEH:   Not exactly.  I like it because it reveals (what I perceive as) Protestant thinking as contrasted to the way I believe.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, you like it because it is all wrong  ???     I strive to be w

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dave
What do your deeds show? DAVEH:   I don't want them to show anything, Kevin.    I consider doing such to be somewhat like the Lord's advice in Mt 6:1..So, I'll leave it for you to make such claims, and if you wish to think less of me for my reluctance to proclaim such deeds, that's your pr

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
DEan  -  what are doing in your comments below?   Have you forgotten the point I was trying to make.   I suggest to you that, in deed, you have lost track of what I was doing.     You explain to me what I already know.   Here are your words  :   "I summit to you that this is a attempt of Jesus to

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
Get some books,  Dean, and answer this question yourself!!   My NASV says  "by everthing that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord"  while my NKJV  says "by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord."  Hardly a "lie."      Jd  -Original Message-From: Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dave
Which one? DAVEH:  The one who died on the cross.He is my Savior and Redeemer. Charles Perry Locke wrote: DAVEH:   FTRSo that there is no mistake or misunderstanding, I declare that Jesus Christ is my Savior. Which one? The One in the Bible, or the one whose father

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
I really hate to disagree here  -   but the KJV is certainly no better than the NASV.   Dean  --  don't cut yourself off from this translation.    If you are now convinced for the KJV  -  no problem.   But do not get into the rut of   believing that it is the only true and dependable translation  

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
Really.   -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:17:03 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law too bad DaveH has no similar feel for these critiques     On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:16:53 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
do do do do --  do do do do  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:26:53 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law you are starting to sound like Rod Serling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plea

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 8:34:05 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor Now that is gonna take prayer & fasting! cd: Then we do it together- What first got my attention was Luke 4:4 did not agree with Deut

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Now that is gonna take prayer & fasting!Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: cd: Now I know why I was lead to keep pushing you on this subject-Truth was yet to be had-We need to warn J.Webber.     - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/200

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Now I know why I was lead to keep pushing you on this subject-Truth was yet to be had-We need to warn J.Webber.     - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 8:21:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor PTL! Brother God ans

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread ttxpress
too bad DaveH has no similar feel for these critiques     On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:16:53 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Something is seriously wrong, here,  Deegan.   I almost feel like I am in a revival and you is the preacher and I am saying "Amen."  This is freaking me out

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
PTL! Brother God answer prayers!   There is a lot more it is really ugly   check this out: NWT  LU 4:4 "It is written man must not live by bread alone"NASV same as JW bibleWhat is missing?   Who is messing with it?LU 4:8 KJV Get thee behind me, SatanNASV MIANWT MIA Who would want to remove Satan?  

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
cd: added at the bottom.     - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 7:51:02 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor Any way you slice it or dice it it is a flat out LIE & ERROR   The truth does not reside in the foot notes.   G

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 7:25:58 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor 1 Tim 3:16 says "who" was __HE_ in the flesh? God or he? (All men {"he"} are revealed in the flesh but it would be something unusu

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Mark 1:2,  quotes from Mal. 3:1 about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Does you Bible know where this quotation came from? ??? NASV: "As it is written in Isaiah the prophet."   KJV MK 1:2-3 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Any way you slice it or dice it it is a flat out LIE & ERROR   The truth does not reside in the foot notes.   Gen 4;12 is not a LIE nor an error, any more than God has feathers Ps 17:8   compare the Nasv against the NWT JW bible if you have one they are the same!   Geneva bible has problems? Sound

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 6:52:21 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor Thank you.   So too NO LIE is of the truth!   Take your NASV and tell me "Who Killed Goliath?" II sam 21:19  ___  Do you p

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
:-) A lot of truth in jokes bro.     - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 6:57:43 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law Now you are just trying to make me mad  !!     -Original Message-From: Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Do not attempt to adjust your internet connection you can't fool me JD I will keep my questions simple!     http://www.twilightzone.org/index2.htmlKevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: you are starting to sound like Rod Serling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please refer to secret post  !

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
you are starting to sound like Rod Serling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please refer to secret post  !!!   JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:01:21 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
1 Tim 3:16 says "who" was ___ in the flesh? God or he? (All men {"he"} are revealed in the flesh but it would be something unusual for god to be manifest in the flesh)   Luke 4:4 man lives by what? _ Lu 4:8 get behind me ? Col 1:14  Redemption & Forgiveness come through

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
This little quiz was designed for the NIV but since the NIV & the NASV have the same father try it out with your NASV   1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray for them that __ and persecut

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
Please refer to secret post  !!!   JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:01:21 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law Like I said a long time ago, you really have not spent any energy

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Like I said a long time ago, you really have not spent any energy understanding what I believe. You always go off HALF COCKED against what you believe I believe.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does that tune for the "Twilight Zone"   go?    Don't worry folks  --  who said "peace is the time whe

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
How does that tune for the "Twilight Zone"   go?    Don't worry folks  --  who said "peace is the time when both sides stop to reload ?? "     Maybe thats it  !!   JD -Original Message-From: Dean Moore moore@earthlink.net>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:45:41 -

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
Now you are just trying to make me mad  !!     -Original Message-From: Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:47:40 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law       - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.o

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Thank you.   So too NO LIE is of the truth!   Take your NASV and tell me "Who Killed Goliath?" II sam 21:19  ___  Do you promise to tel the truth the whole truth and nuthin but the truth?   Why does the NASV lie? My sunday school teacher knew the answer to who killed Goliath. Most sunda

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 6:36:08 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law YOU THINK YOU GOT THREE BLOCKS FROM THE FUNNY FARM  --  DON'T YOU   Let me tell you this,   I AM NOT ONE BIT MORE NUTS THAT I WAS TWO WE

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 6:22:12 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law I am really proud of you. cd: Man -I have been here too long.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something is seriously wrong, here,  Deegan

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 6:21:28 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor How many errors in God's word? cd:I cannot take the stress any longer! None at all in His word-Not one can exist as there is not any e

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
YOU THINK YOU GOT THREE BLOCKS FROM THE FUNNY FARM  --  DON'T YOU   Let me tell you this,   I AM NOT ONE BIT MORE NUTS THAT I WAS TWO WEEKS AGO    Ha  !!  your little plan is not going to work.  ...but we are in agreement for some reason.      

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
How many errors in God's word?Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 6:12:41 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor So where is the EZ part of defeating the NASV?   So then the true word of

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
"Yea, hath God said...?" Genesis 3:1   "Do We Have the Inerrant Word of God Today? or Not?"   "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."Matthew 24:35Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:       - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglo

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
I am really proud of you.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something is seriously wrong, here,  Deegan.   I almost feel like I am in a revival and you is the preacher and I am saying "Amen."  This is freaking me out  !!!   JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthT

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 6:12:41 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor So where is the EZ part of defeating the NASV?   So then the true word of God is not filled with error (as in the NWT or BoM) neither

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
Something is seriously wrong, here,  Deegan.   I almost feel like I am in a revival and you is the preacher and I am saying "Amen."  This is freaking me out  !!!   JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:47:56

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
So where is the EZ part of defeating the NASV?   So then the true word of God is not filled with error (as in the NWT or BoM) neither does it contain 1% ERROR! Prov 30:5 every word of God is pure No lie is of the truth I Jn 2:21 Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise p

Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Barney

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Is this another one of your ANTI - IRISH jokes? What do you have against the IRISH? Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Father Murphy walks into a pub in Donegal, and says to the first man he meets, "Do you want to go to heaven?"The man said, "I do Father." The priest said, "Then stand over there again

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 5:41:28 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor The 99 remaining pages would be 100% pure And only if you are a Mormon could you believe that God lost some truth and now it is found!

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
So since you DO NOT keep them does that mean you do not really love, only in word?   When is your walk gonna start matching your talk? Talk is cheap, does not cost you a thing.   1 JN 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.   What do your deeds

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Too bad DH is gonna earn it himself & Jesus![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes and amen  !!   Imputed righteousness YES !!   Deserved  (read: earned) righteousness NO  !!    JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 07:32

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
The 99 remaining pages would be 100% pure And only if you are a Mormon could you believe that God lost some truth and now it is found!Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:       - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 10:11:28 AM Subje

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
> [Original Message] > From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 11/12/2005 4:44:36 PM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law > > > >DAVEH: FTRSo that there is no mistake or misunderstanding, I > >declare that Jesus Christ is my Savior. > > Which one? The One

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DAVEH: FTRSo that there is no mistake or misunderstanding, I declare that Jesus Christ is my Savior. Which one? The One in the Bible, or the one whose father is a man from Kolob and and whose brother is Satan? -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt,

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Added below.     - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 3:51:51 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law       - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 3:21:39 PM Subject: Re: [

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 3:21:39 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law So he was just talking to hear his head rattle --  or maybe he was just kidding around, or maybe he was being just a tad bit arrogant since he c

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
So he was just talking to hear his head rattle --  or maybe he was just kidding around, or maybe he was being just a tad bit arrogant since he could do these things, himself,   maybe he just spoke in a riddle  -  with no one really able to get the message excepted for the enlightened ones?   Your 

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
So, you like it because it is all wrong  ???     I strive to be well thought of by all men, but this was not what I had in mind !!    What of plucking out the eye and cutting off the  hand thingy?   Perfection is no more a command than the imperatives inherent in "faith to move mountains" 

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
cd: I walk on water every time it rains. And if God wanted his mountains moved he wouldn't have put them there in the first place:-)     - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 2:42:35 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law DAVEH:   Go

RE: [TruthTalk] Nothing Would Prevail

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
cd: No I will not as you have been giving that info many times-The "Mormon Spin" is old.     - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 2:36:30 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Nothing Would Prevail Christ's claim that nothing would prevail against His ch

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dave
DAVEH:   Good answer, Bishop.  I rather like it.  Though it is an erroneous argument, as walking on water, moving mountains, etc.are not commandments, but effects of what could be IF one has enough faith.   Praying in a closet is not exactly a commandment either, but rather an admonition to

[TruthTalk] Nothing Would Prevail

2005-11-12 Thread Dave
Christ's claim that nothing would prevail against His church. DAVEH:   I am very curious as to what you mean by that, Dean.  Would you please quote the passage and explain how you understand it.     I would also like to know what you think JS said that contradicted the above. Dean Moore wrot

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
Not at all.   Nothing wrong with goals that are not   attainable in a practical sense of the word.   it happens all the the time in real life.   Walked on water lately??  Moved any mountains ?    Uprooted any trees ??   No one in your church deserving of having his hand cut off or his eye pluc

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 2:07:26 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law Dave if you believe in Christ why do you follow J. Smith they are not in agreement.DAVEH:  I do not believe they are in disagreement, Dean. cd

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
:--)  -Original Message-From: Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:58:18 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law       - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 1:49:09 PM Subject: R

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dave
Dave if you believe in Christ why do you follow J. Smith they are not in agreement. DAVEH:  I do not believe they are in disagreement, Dean. Dean Moore wrote: DAVEH:   FTRSo that there is no mistake or misunderstanding, I declare that Jesus Christ is my Savior. cd: With t

[TruthTalk] Courtesy of Barney

2005-11-12 Thread Dave
Father Murphy walks into a pub in Donegal, and says to the first man he meets, "Do you want to go to heaven?" The man said, "I do Father." The priest said, "Then stand over there against the wall." Then the priest asked the second man, "Do you want to got to heaven?" "Certainly, Father," was

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 1:15:29 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law cd: With the exception of DaveHDAVEH:   FTRSo that there is no mistake or misunderstanding, I declare that Jesus Christ is my Savior.

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 1:49:09 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law (:--)   And may the Lord richly bless you, as well.    Jd cd: lol-Original Message-From: Dean Moore moore@earthlink.net>To: TruthTalk@ma

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dave
We aren't always able to keep even those two. DAVEH:   Perhaps you have overlooked the Lord's comment in Jn 14:1.. If you ye love me, keep my commandments. ...which to me indicates that loving God implies becoming sinless.    No Terry, I don't think you overlooked it, but rather I su

Re: [TruthTalk] Campus Preaching-Kevin Deegan / David Miller?

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Great site Marvin-I hope to get into it as soon as I get over this latest lazy streak:-)     - Original Message - From: Marlin halverson To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/2/2005 5:26:36 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Campus Preaching-Kevin Deegan / David Miller? To add to wh

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
(:--)   And may the Lord richly bless you, as well.    Jd -Original Message-From: Dean Moore moore@earthlink.net>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:37:14 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law  cd: Next you will be saying "You go boy".     - Origina

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
Yes and amen  !!   Imputed righteousness YES !!   Deserved  (read: earned) righteousness NO  !!    JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 07:32:02 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law Even as D

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
I was asking questions much more than making a point   --  other than than this:  contextual considerations have more to do with understanding "perfect" in this passage than simply defining the word in question.   Didn't mean to sound upity.    Why are my questions not important considerations to

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dave
cd: With the exception of DaveH DAVEH:   FTRSo that there is no mistake or misunderstanding, I declare that Jesus Christ is my Savior. Dean Moore wrote: We need a SAVIOR!   cd: With the exception of DaveH-We already have a savior.So what Law are you breaking if all

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dave
So, I do not believe that it is a commandment that we be sinless, DAVEH:    Really!?!?!?!   I realize I took your comment slightly out of context, but did you really mean to suggest that the Lord did not command us to be sinless?  Excepting DavidM, I wonder if other TTers would agree with you?

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Next you will be saying "You go boy".     - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 11:10:04 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law Well,   I have enjoyed Pete's response in this posting.    Welcome to TT.   This comment especially made

RE: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 10:59:29 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law Hold on: Be back after I go preach on my front lawn. cd: Hey those Catholics that live across the street from you need it:-)Balaam al

RE: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
> [Original Message] > From: Peter Krostag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 11/12/2005 10:17:18 AM > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law > > > > Pete responds: > > > > The whole Law. All of it. > > cd: Then we are on a different page for I am discussion the Moral the 11 > commandments

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread knpraise
Well,   I have enjoyed Pete's response in this posting.    Welcome to TT.   This comment especially made an impression :  "Pete responds:   I believe that a person who continues in sin will eventually come to apoint in his life and say, 'I do not wish to fellowship with God any longer.'This is whe

RE: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Hold on: Be back after I go preach on my front lawn.Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:       - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 10:06:20 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law Which shew the work of the law written in t

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 10:11:28 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor  I am simply stating that even if the Bible is missing a page then we can still know truth for Christ is on many pages from the OT to

RE: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 10:06:20 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accu

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. Thanks to Jesus, In my Fathers eyes, there is NO

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> DAVEH: It seems to me that in whatever way God is perfect, or complete.that is what we have the potential to become, and have been commanded to do so. Do you agree, Perry? I do not believe that the KJV translators intended to use the word "perfect" wi

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:23:22 -0500 Perry, the issue of "sinless" perfection or sinless maturity is not resolved with Strong's definition of the Greek wo

RE: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Peter Krostag
> Pete responds: > > The whole Law. All of it. cd: Then we are on a different page for I am discussion the Moral the 11 commandments and its impact on a Christian. Pete responds: Yea. I see that. From my perspective, teaching moral laws isn't wrong. It makes it possible to live peaceable wi

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
 I am simply stating that even if the Bible is missing a page then we can still know truth for Christ is on many pages from the OT to the NT. It then would be 99% pure as you asked and I believe acceptable as truth.   NO!   If there were 100 pages and one was missing;   It would be 99% COMPLETE YE

RE: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)   Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.   Are you doing everything you know you should? D

RE: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
> [Original Message] > From: Peter Krostag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 11/12/2005 9:22:03 AM > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law > > > cd: I think at this point we need to clarify what part of the law are you > speaking of? The Mosaic law in it's entirety? The dietary law? The >

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 9:11:59 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor cd: Depending on if a page is torn out   maybe I misunderstand you? So you are going to Edit the word? Author God Editor Dean cd: Ouc

RE: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Peter Krostag
cd: I think at this point we need to clarify what part of the law are you speaking of? The Mosaic law in it's entirety? The dietary law? The sacrificial Law? The priestly law? The moral law as in the ten commandments? Pete responds: The whole Law. All of it. cd: I have the tendance to think

RE: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 9:10:16 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law Who is confused (other than the lost) and what is this confusion you refer to?   LDS desire to approach God on the basis of what they

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
cd: Depending on if a page is torn out   maybe I misunderstand you? So you are going to Edit the word? Author God Editor DeanDean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/12/2005 8:40:49 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTa

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