Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Gary what is your problem? I am not saying anythingscripture does not say first... see Hebrews 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation. 13:8 Jesus Christ the same

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
Dean:I'd ask of you what I asked of DM, namely, outline your own position regarding 'who Jesus is' rather than just picking around the edges of other's comments concerning 'who Jesus is'. JUST WHICH JESUS DO YOU SPEAK OF WHEN SPing? --- Original Message - From: Dean Moore

[TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: January 14, 2006 17:02 Subject: OK, done working for now paragraph inthis lecture of Victor's: I've often said, too, that the hardest part of any service of worship for the minister is the children's story,

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
Any errors in the passage, Dean? No, I know of none. Any errors in the interpretation, Dean? YES! Dean:IMO, JT DM occupy a position wherein they believe that their 'reading' of Scripture is 'inspired'. IMO, they believe that God has promised such an 'inspired' reading to be available to all

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
It fascinates me that both yourself and DM believe that readers/participants on TT do not 'know' you. You both have no hesitation to say that you 'know' us. Why is that, Judy (DM)? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc:

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
Judy:THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM, JT, YOU DO BELIEVE THE BIBLE!! DM ALSO BELIEVES THE BIBLE! Wherein there lies coincidence between that which God Himself says and, that which you've (both) interpreted the Bible to say then Praise God. Wherein that is not so then, it is at best harmles to the

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
This is a rather broad question, Lance. I'm not sure where to begin. It sounds like you want me to write a book for you. Can you narrow your question a little? David Miller - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday,

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
I never said that we didn't agree. I'm just trying to help bring out partly what you just did. That word equality is a loaded word and often misappropriated. Your context and subject is important when you use the word. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
No, John. Ask Bill. I'm sure he understood. Bill put Elohim as the subject making Yeshua YHWH. This translation from the Hebrew and Aramaic texts of the New Testament puts YHWH as the subject making Yeshua Elohim. It calls into question the reliability of Bill's point about the triune

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and biblical language

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
The word Trinity is not a translation, nor is it a transliteration. It is a word of philosophers, a word constructed by theologians, and it is a philosophically loaded word. The various words of the Greek language that have been translated Godhead have at their root the word theos, and

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
You err Lance; what I mainly respond to is Garys and your gross misrepresentation of what I write and I think it safe to assume that the same applies to DavidM since he appears to be a thorn in your side. On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:53:46 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
John wrote: If you sin and do not repent, for whatever reason, will that single sin place you in hell. Not true, John. I cannot believe that you would argue such a point. John wrote: You speak of rebuking and hell muhc more ofter than I, of course. That's because Jesus spoke of rebuking

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
Yes, John, very well stated. Sin can and does exist apart from the Law. And you are also right that Jonah was not calling them to live their lives as the Jews. So you see, there are many things upon which we agree. There is nothing explicitly stated in this post with which I disagree.

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
Thanks at least for being true to who you are. How? By answering a question with another question. Do you play poker, DM? You might make a good card counter.(i.e.'Rain Man) You approach things analytically David.Rather than circumscribe your response, why not outline your position by

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
So you know better than the Bible - or you are out beyond the Bible. Whichever it is Lance you apparently think it gives you the ability and licence to critique everything that comes along. I find it quite amazing that you appear tothink thatyou and you alone know the difference between a

RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?

2006-01-15 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/14/2006 2:20:45 PM Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: January 14, 2006 14:18 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is the

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
Your memory fails you or, you lie. You've alleged many things concerning myself, Gary, John and, Bill. I ask those named to say so if they believe that I've spoken an untruth concerning you in this matter. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To:

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
FWIW, from my perspective, Judy believes none of these things. In fact, she seems to believe that unregenerated man can choose to believe in Jesus Christ. I have a different perspective that I would share with her if there were not so many other posts flying that take my time to read. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Good that means you are listening. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/15/2006 1:25:05 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences DAVEH: Don't have much to add to any of the discussions. BTWIt wasn't my computer this time, but

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
Not even 'once', JT? Yikes!! Shame on me. Here goes: Some of your interpretations are Holy while some others are Profane! I'd say the same things concerning DM. (I'm usings profane hear as 'not sacred') - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: JT DM occupy a position wherein they believe that their 'reading' of Scripture is 'inspired'. Not quite right, Lance. I will speak for myself but I think Judy is in agreement with me on this. I believe that the Scripture is inspired, and I believe that Jesus as per the

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
Thanks for this, DM. Will you now offer up an 'inspired' understanding of WHO JESUS IS? I regard you more highly than some of my 'shots' would suggest. I should be honored to hear you on this. please, Lance - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
Lance, it is not helpful for you to post the comments of others in that we cannot engage them in dialogue. Unfortunately, Debbie has been misreading me on several posts. Because she is not here for me to provide herfeedback, she unfortunately thinks there is a difference where there is

[TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] FWIW, from my perspective, Judy believes none of these things. In fact, she seems to believe that unregenerated man can choose to believe in Jesus Christ. I have a different perspective that I would share with her if there were not so many other posts

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences ** Moderator Comment **

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
Perry said he would not be available this weekend and he asked me to help with moderating the list. Therefore, I am sending out a few comments regarding ad hominem statements that should be reconsidered. Please do not reply to the list for any posts with ** Moderator Comment ** in the

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel ** Moderator Comment **

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
Perry said he would not be available this weekend and he asked me to help with moderating the list. Therefore, I am sending out a few comments regarding ad hominem statements that should be reconsidered. Please do not reply to the list for any posts with ** Moderator Comment ** in the

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel ** Moderator Comment **

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
Perry said he would not be available this weekend and he asked me to help with moderating the list. Therefore, I am sending out a few comments regarding ad hominem statements that should be reconsidered. Please do not reply to the list for any posts with ** Moderator Comment ** in the

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel ** Moderator Comment **

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
Perry said he would not be available this weekend and he asked me to help with moderating the list. Therefore, I am sending out a few comments regarding ad hominem statements that should be reconsidered. Please do not reply to the list for any posts with ** Moderator Comment ** in the

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel ** Moderator Comment **

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
Perry said he would not be available this weekend and he asked me to help with moderating the list. Therefore, I am sending out a few comments regarding ad hominem statements that should be reconsidered. Please do not reply to the list for any posts with ** Moderator Comment ** in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
We (DM JT) read me just fine, says DM. I misread them, says DM. What, IMO, is actually being said is that the two of you may warn, judge, malign and critique from some mythical position you believe yourselves to occupy. I, and according to the two of you, others as well, simply don't

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/15/2006 6:46:56 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences Any errors in the passage, Dean? No, I know of none. Any errors in the interpretation, Dean? YES! Dean:IMO, JT DM occupy a position wherein

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
If this Victor person is correct and "UNBELIEF" is the predicament humanity is in then why was the Holy Spirit sent to reprove the WORLD (note this is not just God's covenant ppl) ofSIN, righteousness, and judgment? (John 16:8) Why didn't God send Himas an antidote to "unbelief" only if

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
Lance, you may not believe me, but I think Bill and I believe in the same Jesus. I'm not sure what to talk about. What's the point? Write a thesis about Jesus? That's a book, man. Where would I find the time to do that? David Miller - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
Because when we read you, we see a constant effort to misrepresent us and try to catch us in our words just as the scholars and Pharisees did to Jesus. On the other hand, the feedback you give us from how we represent you tells us that we are reading and understanding you just fine. David

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences ** Moderator Comment **

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
Perry said he would not be available this weekend and he asked me to help with moderating the list. Therefore, I am sending out a few comments regarding ad hominem statements that should be reconsidered. Please do not reply to the list for any posts with ** Moderator Comment ** in the

[TruthTalk] This is NOT, I say NOT (ala Foghorn Leghorn) a reply to any Moderator comment whatsoever

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
DM: You have an impressive mind which is reflected in your ability to write and, to evaluate the writing of others. Good for you, DM. NOW, as to that short message, pulling together the disparate understandings, on Who Jesus Is... Please, Lance

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-15 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/15/2006 6:49:49 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE Dean:I'd ask of you what I asked of DM, namely, outline your own position regarding 'who Jesus is'

Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
It is an irony or ironies that Lance Muir himself would deign to write the following about another person .. "Should you wish to continue to pontificate from on high then, we shall not hear matters of substance. We shall only hear you judge us. (something you seem to do regularly)"

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
Let's break the response down into two parts, Dean. Part #1:Are you aware that the majority of believing Bible scholars no longer support this 'teaching'? Are you also aware of the history of this teaching throughout the last 2,000 years? Are you comfortable with fellow believers coming to

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
Correct me if I'm wrong in my 'understanding' of you, DM but, I believe that you've just answered with a resounding NO! Who was it recently who described me as 'blowing smoke'? I can't say that I blame you for being evasive on this matter, David. (No, BTW, it'd not require a BOOK). Should you

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
Isn't it though? Maybe I just don't see myself for who I really am? Duh! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 15, 2006 08:31 Subject: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences It is an irony or ironies that Lance

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
It does. See David? No book this!! - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 15, 2006 08:34 Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE - Original

Re: [TruthTalk] OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Dean: I think we've hit the slippery slope here. Ppl always want to wrangle about hell, sin, and sins and use great lofty words of man's wisdom to talk their way out of it all. However, just one sin can damn the soul because sin is active and always bearing it's own fruit (ie: lust leads to

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
So Lance have you now put on a new hat As referee of sorts? All conversations similar to what? All sins may grow from a fertile ground of unbelief but this is straining over gnats because just a tiny little bit ofleaven can spoil the whole lump ... On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:13:44 -0500 "Lance

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
Key:'I view'. Please take note as all conversations are similary constructed JT and DM. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 15, 2006 09:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now cd: I view

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
I'm having a little difficulty 'interpreting' you on this, Dean. Let's, rather than drag on what I believe to be a 'go nowhere' conversation, bring this to a rapid conclusion. IMO, one can preach what you believe eschatalogically, and, even if incorrect, women/men may be illumined as to

Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: January 15, 2006 09:23 Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? Lance, I think David may be right about regularly posting to TT the remarks I make to you about forwarded messages that I find interesting.

[TruthTalk] Fw:

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
FYI re:Who is Victor? - Original Message - From: Victor Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: January 07, 2006 20:35 Lance, Here's the latest. Victor Theology and Science.doc Description: MS-Word document

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Lance you need to recognize that this view is made up of much study and that I can support it with scripture so it is not something just spoke off of the top of my head as you seem to suppose. If one is to evaluate the speaker then one must also consider the speakers past statements to

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:45:00 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. You believe that unregenerated man cannot do what is right. You have stated that many times in the past. I was just hoping that you good

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Are you reading tea leafs, Dean? :-D Dean Moore wrote: DaveH knows the truth butfear prevents himfrom dealing with that truth-the comfort zone has trapped him.. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to

Re: [TruthTalk] OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread Dean Moore
cd; Well said Judy and usually the next attack form from the populace is Are you saying you have no sin-then what right do you have to us to stop sin hypocrite. To which my answer is noI have no sin upon me asI have repented for my past sins this is not to say I am perfect but is to say I have

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
Your explanation --as it standsapart from furtherdiscussion --changes the impact of the Hebrews text. Jesus is without change is the impact of the Hebrews statement, is it not? We would all agree that the incarnation represents a "change." But there must be a sense, a vital sense, in which it

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
EVERY VIEW IS SUPPORTABLE, DEAN!! The better 'taught' one is, the more comprehensive that person's presentation is.This applies equally to right as well as wrong views. IMO, your view is a wrong view on this matter.. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/15/2006 9:36:08 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences I'm having a little difficulty 'interpreting' you on this, Dean. Let's, rather than drag on what I believe to be a 'go nowhere' conversation,

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
Jesus - the Word of God is what they spoke and He is the same yesterday, today, and for ever. O.K.I wish I had gotten to this post earlier. Is this "Word of God" at the sametime Jesus in the Flesh. So you will not accuse me of setting you up, let me give you my concern on where I think

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/15/2006 12:27:53 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences DAVEH: Are you reading tea leafs, Dean? :-D cd: No, I am reading the space between the tea leafs.Theytell more than the leafs do:-)Dean

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/15/2006 12:31:45 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now EVERY VIEW IS SUPPORTABLE, DEAN!! The better 'taught' one is, the more comprehensive that person's presentation is.This

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
AMEN Dean!! - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 15, 2006 12:38 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
Going to the Bible will NOT bring the issue to resolution, Dean.Judy, DM, Gary, Bill, John, even I, though only on the rarest of occasions, can muster adequate Scriptural support for a 'view'. Sometimes that 'view' is God's. Sometimes that 'view' is one's own. Original Message -

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread ttxpress
(elsewhere, not Heb 13, M'am--your doctrinal demand collides with the text producing) myth On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 04:27:35 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus - the Word of God

Re: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?

2006-01-15 Thread Taylor
Couldn't have said it better myself! In fact, what upsets me is that I couldn't have even said it }:( Oh well, that's not going to stop me from agreeing with it :) Well said, Debbie. Bill - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-15 Thread Taylor
Howironic that his mentor Bill would write something like this. I think Lance just repeated it to qualify something. Lance has been a far greater mentor to me than I to him; I assure you. There is no irony in my statement. I have consistently stated that I believe that the person of

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-15 Thread Taylor
If I understand you correctly, Dean, you believe that Christ whilewalking thisearth was fully God. I DO TOO. And if I understand you correctly, you also believe that Christ while on this earth was fully human. I DO TOO. Bill - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To:

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-15 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH As you know, the LDS believe that mortals can become like God. I assume you agree with the following. We can become perfect (in a complete sense) like God. We can know the difference between good and evil. We can become one with him, as he (Jesus) is one with his Father. We

Re: [TruthTalk] A little heavy from the Bishop

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
These words Morality maintains that little "s" sins plural is the human predicament. The Gospel maintains that capital "S" Sin singular – unbelief – is the predicament. (DS) give me verbage I have actually been [unknowingly] looking for. When we ask fora defintion of sin, we experience the

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gary what is your problem? I am not saying anythingscripture does not say first... see Hebrews 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow,

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-15 Thread Taylor
DH So.what do you perceive to be the limitations that prevent us from becoming like God? He is God and we are not. Bill - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Fw:

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
Such an appraoch makes God and His ability to accomplish the impossible in our lives all the more apparent. It gives credit to God and puts the preacher, teacher, evangelist, pastor, theologican in thier place !! Amen to the conclusion of this thread. jd -- Original message

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/15/2006 1:05:35 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now Going to the Bible will NOT bring the issue to resolution, Dean.Judy, DM, Gary, Bill, John, even I, though only on the rarest

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-15 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Yes we agree if you view the Human part to also have divine thoughts. - Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/15/2006 1:53:48 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE If I understand you

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-15 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Bill one of the Mormons prophets Alfonso Snow wrote: As God was so are we as God is we will be. I think this is close on name and quote if not forgive my mistake-Mormons consider themselves god's inthe embryonic stage and that Jesus is the God of this world-as they will grow and be gods of

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-15 Thread Taylor
So that I know for sure what you mean to convey, let me ask you: do you as a human have "divine thoughts"? Bill - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:40 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-15 Thread Taylor
Yeah, I have heard that before. And I could haveknit-picked his list of propositions, but didn't think it necessary, considering the fact that I do not believewe will ever be God. Bill - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent:

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
My mother always said "To err is human, to forgive divine" so I am sure Dean has divine thoughts I've seen his public forgiveness right on TT On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:13:41 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So that I know for sure what you mean to convey, let me ask you: do you as

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-15 Thread Taylor
No arguments with that, Judy. Now let's see what Dean thinks about his thoughts. Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Fw:

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-15 Thread ttxpress
Dean's a Momma's boy--eh? On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:46:18 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No arguments with that, Judy. Now let's see what Dean thinks about his thoughts. Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To:

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-15 Thread ttxpress
"..God, by his providence, curbs the perverseness of nature, preventing it from breaking forth into action, yet without rendering it inwardly pure" --J. Calvin, c.1531 On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:43:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dean's a Momma's boy--eh? On

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
Dean, are you saying that Christ means to include "law" in that which is "believed?" If so, what is the practical advantage to 'unmerited grace" and the continuing fact of forgiveness in the sacrificial death of Christ? jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore"

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
Because He sent His Son to accomplish this purpose (John 3:16) Becasue He changed the administration of His will for this purpose. Because He ended the rule of Law and reinsituted the Force of Grace and the Spirit for this purpose. Because the revealed mystery of the gospel ( acceptance of

Re: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
Because when we read you, we see a constant effort to misrepresent us and try to catch us in our words just as the scholars and Pharisees did to Jesus. On the other hand, the feedback you give us from how we represent you tells us that we are reading and understanding you just fine. David

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
if our lives have not changed and we continue to commit sins DM I believe that you, David, think the two concepts cannot be separated. that change is witnessed, in part, by the end of personal sin. Where that may be true, it conversely may not be true !! When we insist on such an evidencefor

Re: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
You often have trouble quoting our very words in a given post - and you expect us to believe that you can speak for the likes of Judy Taylor? When we haveour trist over the Gentiles in Romans 2, you and she both insist that these Gentiles must be regenerated (saved - born again) because an

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
As to your last question -- you know that I do not believe that one must be right right to be saved. I fear that the answer to your question is what you believe. The gospel you express on this site is the produce of a very different paradigm than mine. Not that I am right - but simply that we

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
David, you need to include the entire post to which you refer. The first quote is not something that I said as a point of fact, because, of course, I believe that repentance is something other than confession and netiehr plays a role in continuing our salvation. In other words, I do not confess

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
I respectfully disagree. jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] FWIW, from my perspective, Judy believes none of these things. In fact, she seems to believe that unregenerated man can choose to believe in Jesus Christ. I have a different

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
I will entertain the possiblility that you are correct. jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, John, very well stated. Sin can and does exist apart from the Law. And you are also right that Jonah was not calling them to live their lives

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
Mums the word of the day from the Bishop !! -- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your memory fails you or, you lie. You've alleged many things concerning myself, Gary, John and, Bill. I ask those named to say so if they believe that I've spoken

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
I assumed the quoted translation to be an interlinear and literal translation, in which case the reading is both typically difficult but supportive of Bill's comments. Look at the quote and you will see the need for further 'translation." Truly therefore, let know all the house of Yisra'el

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: Thanks for this, DM. Will you now offer up an 'inspired' understanding of WHO JESUS IS? Jesus is Christ, the Anointed, the Son of the living God. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and biblical language

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
I do not agree. "Trinity" is as much a translation of the concept of "divine essence" as is "godhead" but for theological and contextual reasons. Call it philosophy if you will. The inclusion of "trinity" is a sound choice if it , in fact, arises from a point of truth. Equivalency is a word that

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong in my 'understanding' of you, DM but, I believe that you've just answered with a resounding NO! You may stand corrected. That is not how I answered. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw:

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
It always amazes me how these theologians talk about theology and science and their references reflect nearly all theology. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
The problem with Debbie's analysis is that this street preacher does not herald a call from immoral living to moral living without Christ. Rather, the call is to turn from immoral living to a relationship with Jesus Christ. It's another one of those straw man divisions which does not really

Re: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:47:47 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You often have trouble quoting our very words in a given post - and you expect us to believe that you can speak for the likes of Judy Taylor? Why get all over him JD when you are doing the exact same thing here and

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:08:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I respectfully disagree. jd About what JD? He is right on. I do believe that unregenerated men can decide to stop doing something they are told is wrong otherwise civil government would be pointless and we would

Re: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
JD wrote: ... when we repeatedly say Once again you have misrepresented our words, you become even more convinced that you read us just fine !!!??? You are the only one I remember saying that, and it is because you can't tell the difference between when someone quotes you and when they

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread knpraise
Why in the world do you put a "happy face" behind a statment that you do not intend to be funny or even tongue in cheek? You do it often and it is never funny. jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrong again, Lance. You have overlooked the

Re: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
JD wrote: You often have trouble quoting our very words in a given post - and you expect us to believe that you can speak for the likes of Judy Taylor? I have never misquoted you or anyone else. What you object to is my pointing out aspects that escape your own understanding. JD wrote: I

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread David Miller
JD wrote: When we insist on such an evidence for the Indwelling, artificial time limits are put into effect and we become the administrator of continuing fellowship. . So, is there something wrong with that? Paul wrote: 1 Corinthians 5:1-13 (1) It is reported commonly that there is

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