Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
You are so WITTY, even if you say so yourself. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2 - 16 -Original Message- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter - ETERNAL SEED 4ever

2005-10-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
JD is now (finally) an advocate for Holiness After all those lectures on grace, he has finally seen the light. WOW JD Holiness it is sort of like WHIPPED CREAM and ONIONS! --- Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow this is interesting It's not what one says it is how they say it?? So

Re: [TruthTalk] Offended but not by ETERNAL SEED 4ever

2005-10-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
The real point is that you are OFFENDED by a word Isaiah 29 all that watch for iniquity are cut off: That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought. Whilst all along you just stand IDLY by, as the

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
LOL This is not the first time DH has used this tack. Something like, I did not specifically call you a doper nor did I use that exact word therefore it is OK to impune your character Sadly this seems to be a standard Mormon defense mechanism along with the Victim defense "quit attacking us with

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
OhI see the "NATURal" course of events was ARTIFICIAL Insemination?? The birth of the Savior was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood- was begotten of his Father, as we are of our fathers. —Brigham Young, Journal of

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
Why did the father have to come into the world and what was it he did? ''When the time came that His first-born, the Savior, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Savior was

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
ot born into Sonship (speaking of the incarnation). He has always been the Son. JD-Original Message-----From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:38:19 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Begotten has nothing at all

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/22/2005 9:37:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter I have alreadyproven my point. Sorry you missed it. JD You have proven no point-just given half truth of God word.-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
baby Jesus -- then why the lineage statements? Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 05:22:20 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Why did the father have to come into the world and what

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
differences between Christ and ourselves? Was Mary only the "oven" for baby Jesus -- then why the lineage statements? Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 05:22:20 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
igion is works salvationism. You guys want to talk about lesser important issues than that, knock yourself out. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 05:32:48 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
Seems I have about three outstanding questions to you now you have one to me. That seems about equitable don't you think? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not saying anything, deegan. Are you going to answer my questions or not? Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
baby Jesus -- then why the lineage statements? Please answer the question and do not avoid by steering away from it. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 05:42:05 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
re organic differences between Christ and ourselves? Was Mary only the "oven" for baby Jesus -- then why the lineage statements? Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 05:56:18 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthT

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
I already didTerry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: My car is white!===Can you prove that? Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
Mom + Dad = you Father + Mary = Jesus In the Official LDS teaching manual, what does the plus signify?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/23/2005 12:55:58 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
Joe was a "Restorationist" JD came out of a different branch of the "Restorationist" movement.Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/23/2005 8:16:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Perhaps you

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
You always want to mysteriously move on when you have been shown to be in ERROR.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree, Terry. And I think it poor theology to speculate on the matter as have some of the Mormon writers. BUT, if deegan, or Dean for that matter, intend tomaintain their high level

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
AND He may have been tickling with that TEST TUBE for all we know Besides there were only a couple of astronauts that landed on the moon perhaps the QUACKers were hiding.Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Yes, I read it, and discussed it on TT already. I do not know if the person relating

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
Not so the statement by Brigham it is in a sermon listed in the JoD Who were these inhabitants on the SUN? And God lives near KOLOB? OTHER EARTHS: Joseph Fielding Smith, "We are not the only people that the Lord has created. We have brothers and sisters on other earths. They look like us because

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
to Sonship (speaking of the incarnation). He has always been the Son. JD-Original Message-----From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:38:19 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Begotten has nothing at all to do with the birth o

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/23/2005 12:55:58 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan Maybe they ignored him like you ignore my questions

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
If it was not for SEX why did the Mormon god have to come down to earth to be with Mary??? "I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on marriage, at our last conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
BTW just in case you did not know, it is a GREAT BLASPHEMY! Or was it just the news papers unjustly ATTACKING them POOR OL Mormons again, because of their Blasphemy? Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it was not for SEX why did the Mormon god have to come down to earth to be with Mary

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
ROTFL in HIS Head? Perhaps it was near KOLOB on OLIBLISH? Or was it Enish-go-on-dosh? Kae-e-vanrash? Sorry it all gets so confusing sometimes. http://nowscape.com/mormon/kolob1.gif From the Standard Works: Stands next to Kolob, called by the Egyptians Oliblish, which is the next grand governing

RE: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
Thanks Izzy I guess that sums it up! Humpty Dumpty plays the Mormon or Thru the Lookin Glass: `In that case we start afresh,' said Humpty Dumpty, `and it's my turn to choose a subject --' (`He talks about it just as if it was a game!' thought Alice.) `So here's a question for you. How old did

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
NOBODY wants to take a SHOT at this one? Why did the father have to come into the world to mary, and what was it he did?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/23/2005 8:22:23 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
, deegan.Such is the language of the apostates. Filth is to be avoided. JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:44:04 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan Why does

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
is to be avoided. JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:44:04 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan Why does the Standard works portray the LDS god with an ERECTION? Any ideas JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
of the apostates. Filth is to be avoided. JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:44:04 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan Why does the Standard works portray the LDS god

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter - ETERNAL SEED 4ever

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
of the seeds forever and ever, eternal lives -- these comprise the eternal family of those who gain eternal life. For them new earths are created, and thus the on-rolling purposes of the Gods of Heaven go forward from eternity to eternity" (The Millennial Messiah, p.23). Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROT

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
not be a part of any discussion on this forum. Grow up, deegan.Such is the language of the apostates. Filth is to be avoided. JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:44:04 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
rom: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:18:49 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan -*O*- Give me a Break JD has become so Holy lately? Your still just backpeddaling. Even you are wrong just once in a wh

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
Whats wrong with a little Mormonism on TT?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Such was NEVER written until you came along. This is way over the line. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:11:23 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter - ETERNAL SEED 4ever

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
will be glad to bury you in it. JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:41:32 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter - ETERNAL SEED 4ever You see that is exactly what Mormonism is ALL about

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter - ETERNAL SEED 4ever

2005-10-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
will be glad to bury you in it. JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:41:32 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter - ETERNAL SEED 4ever You see that is exactly what Mormonism is ALL about

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
al Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter The mormon mary is a "virgin" in the sense that she had relations with an immortal not a mortal man As

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
are incorrect. Why some folks think LDS leaders, members of the Churchor any Christian for that matter is infallible is beyond me. LDS folks sometimes make mistakes, and have been known to harbor false notions and beliefs at times. I'll even admit to having such weaknesses. Is that a pro

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
Why does the LDS god have an erection in the STANDARD WORK? Can someone explain this away?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, Do you have any references from the DC about the nature of the conception of Jesus?DAVEH: No. I read the two BoM references you gave and agree

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
It is OK don't fret God the father Mary were married! "God, the Father of our spirits, became the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh ...The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore, the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
confused !! Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:10:56 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Chidren are NOT Begotten in a Test Tube. Jesus was the ONLY Begotten of the Father! QUESTION

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
Are you saying that the biblical prophets were infallible in all that they said and did? 1 Sam 3 And Samuel grew, and the LORD was with him, and did let none of his words fall to the ground. Perhaps you have some errors that Samuel propagated? Perhaps you have some errors that Jeremiah

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
"Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening called the moon? ...when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
WORDS OF PROPHETS ARE NOT JUST THERE OPINIONS, THEY ARE SCRIPTUREFOURTEEN FUNDAMENTALS IN FOLLOWING THE PROPHETSBy PRESIDENT Ezra Taft BensonBYU Devotional AssemblyTuesday, February 26, 1980, 10:00 a.m.Full speech - http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/followingthebrethren.htm"SIXTH: The Prophet Does

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
"It is trash talk and should have no place in this forum." Spoken by the KING[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was your reference written by the same guy who said, "as much as is in, be at peace withothers" or "Ibecome all things to all men so that by all means, I might save some" or " love is kind, is

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
most here. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/22/2005 12:26:34 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter CONTEXT JD! Can't you ever get it straight? Who said what? '' l believe the Father came down from heaven, as the A

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
ore@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:26:37 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Thank you Kevin for this helpful info-To the other members on this site-I think some type of Mormon spirit have taking hold of most here. - Original Mes

Re: [TruthTalk] JS probably did not invent Quakers on the Moon

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
There is a lot of rumor and innuendo floating around TT about JS and LDS theology. Do you have examples of such or is this just another of the "rumors"?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Perry Locke wrote: From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> DAVEH: Soin absence of Dean answering my below

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
I did miss his list of Orsons Errors, did you see it?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did you miss DH's discussion regarding Orson Pratt? I didn't. Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:34:41 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
If a mortal girl can have sex with an immortal and remain a virgin then anything is possible. By the way whyis the Mormon god depicted as a sexually aroused god? (Standard work reference on request)Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: At the risk of stirring the dieing ashes, I'm now wondering

Re: [TruthTalk] JS probably did not invent Quakers on the Moon

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
So now you have redefined the meaning of the word lot?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Dean's claim that JS said there were 7 foot Quakers living on the moon is the current example of discussion.Kevin Deegan wrote: There is a lot of rumor and innuendo floating around TT about JS and LDS

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
ing/misunderstanding their comments.Dean Moore wrote: Thank you Kevin for this helpful info-To the other members on this site-I think some type of Mormon spirit have taking hold of most here. ----- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/22/2005 12:2

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
of Discourses, 19:64, July 24, 1877)Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if it does not specifically say sex or intercourse it can't refer to such? Please show us where the Bible says "God is a man" Please show us where the bible says God is "one in purpose" Why does your &q

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
Do you believe Brigham said there were inhabitants on the Sun? Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Thank you for asking, Izzy. That is correctI don't believe JS said such. From the quotes I've seen posted on TT, and the websites I've seen that discuss it, and my independent search.No, I

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
t says" (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pg.742). "Christ was begotten of God. He was NOT born without the aid of man and that man was God!" (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1:18)Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if it does not specifically say sex or intercourse it can't refer to such?

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
Maybe they ignored him like you ignore my questions because they lead where you prefer to avoid. Why does the Standard works portray your god with an ERECTION?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My information comes from standing in front of the Mormon temple and talking to Mormons day after day- all

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter-Kevin Deegan

2005-10-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
At least you are ASHAMED of some of the abhorent beliefs of your church.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe they ignored him like you ignore my questions because they lead where you prefer to avoid. Why does the Standard works portray your god with an ERECTION?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Chidren are NOT Begotten in a Test Tube. Jesus was the ONLY Begotten of the Father! QUESTION How are Children Begotten Can you answer this DaveH? Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . cd: Daveh you big cry baby-Claiming I am a liar after all the backstabbing comments-By your standards

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Why the vacillating on Official Church Publications? The SEER was an OFFICIAL CHURCH PUBLISHED Periodical!! Seing as even current Church teaching manuals quote portions of the "SEER", it can't be all bad where are the ERRORS? Orson Pratt was an APOSTLE!!! Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
DaveH, What do you call this "process"? Test Tube pregnification? Your Test tube theory is denied by multiple GA'sDean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . cd: Daveh you big cry baby-Claiming I am a liar after all the backstabbing comments-By your standards then- when have I ever backstabbed-show me

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
By entertaining of strange persons, men sometimes entertain angels unawares: but by entertaining of strange doctrines, many have entertained devils unaware.-- John FlavelDean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd; What do you mean(though not necessarily sexual)? According to the English language it

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Could someone explain what is meant by "natural action"? Why is that "natural action" as natural as any mortals?Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stop beating around the bush,Dean. Tell us what you really think. Just be careful 'bout them ad homs.Dean Moore wrote: . cd: Daveh you big cry

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
The mormon mary is a "virgin" in the sense that she had relations with an immortal not a mortal man As Bruce McConkie said, "For our present purposes, suffice it to say that our Lord was born of a virgin, which is fitting and proper, and also natural, since the Father of the Child was an

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Unfortunately this is one of those areas where DaveH has hedged and avoided for years. He will not answer my simple questions!Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd; What do you mean(though not necessarily sexual)? According to the English language it means that it could or could not be

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Our Father in heaven is a personage of tabernacle, just as much as I am who stand before you today, and he has all the parts and passions of a perfect man, and his body is composed of flesh and bones, but not of blood. (President Brigham Young, to Sunday School children in Tabernacle, Journal of

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
esus, folks. Good thing I stick around orsome of you would really get confused !! Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:10:56 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter Chidren are NOT

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
CD says American Indian is lied about in that Book as being dark skinned evil people Do you know that the LDS General Authorities have a history of racism?There still is NO Black man in the LDS presidency or Apostles. 2 Nephi 30:6 in the Book of Mormon taught that dark-skinned Lamanites

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter

2005-10-18 Thread Kevin Deegan
TERRY says, still, I can't help but think that believing that Jesus and Satan were brothers is pushing it, really testing the mercy of God. Try that one with your wife see if she thinks calling her Satan's brother is pushing it a bit : ) --- Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -

Re: [TruthTalk] Perhaps a thought for the day

2005-10-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
a clue? How about an Authoratative Skeptic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have not a clue as to what Barth believes. JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:17:48 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perhaps

RE: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!!

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Since the "scholars contains truth" crowd won't provide proof tetxts,here they are: JN 17 :17 thy word is ((contains)) Truth Hi Iz, I presume that when you wrote the following (that about which Judy responds,"what Izzy says stands ..."),you were asking a rhetorical question --the answer

RE: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!!

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
But it is OK to "worship" the scholars?ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, I don’t recall being “set off” by John saying anything recently, so please specify what you mean. I only voiced my opinion about the Bible. God inhabits the praises of His people, and He certainly inhabits

Re: [TruthTalk] Judging by Doctrine

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
I testify to you that joe was a prophet like unto Balaam. Is that adequate?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Jesus Christ is my Savior and Redeemer. Is that succinct testimony adequate, Dean? Do you really think I am overtly trying to lead TTers to hell? Or, do you think I am

Re: [TruthTalk] Two (2) Major Omissions vis a vis the Bible

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Two moreLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Transmission:Menwrote the Bible. Reception:Women Men read the Bible. THELOGHIANS PRONOUNCE WHAT IT MEANS THEY HAVE NOT SOLVED THE PROBLEM THEY ONLY PROVE THE PROBLEM IS MEN NOT THE BIBLE CULTIST TWIST THE SCRIPTURES THEY ONLY PROVE THAT THEY

Re: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!!

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
in logic.. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: October 13, 2005 07:34 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!! But it is OK to "worship" the scholars?ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill,

Re: [TruthTalk] Two (2) Major Omissions vis a vis the Bible

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
yourself. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: October 13, 2005 07:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two (2) Major Omissions vis a vis the Bible Two moreLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Transmission:Menwrote the Bible. Reception:Women Men

Re: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!!

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
So the scholar is your mediator?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NEEDFUL INDEED! - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: October 13, 2005 08:04 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!! NEEDFUL? There is ONE

Re: [TruthTalk] Judging by Doctrine

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
I may have said you were a Scripture Twister and LOST butI have never called you an ASS! Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I testify to YOU that your 'braying' often reminds one of Balaam's ass. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent

Re: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!!

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
I am sure in your mind that this is the keenest of commentary But could you put the feed down where us Donkeys can get at it?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you brush your teeth daily? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: October 13

Re: [TruthTalk] Judging by Doctrine

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
I find it amusing on the street when you get theology from adrunkard!I appeal to the crowd:Folks, here we have Theology from a drunkard.Can anyone step up and give us Theology from a adulterer?How about Theology from a Liar?It is almost as amusing as the Atheist that gets worked up over

Re: [TruthTalk] Judging by Doctrine

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Everyone is NOT CROOKED like you. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EVERYONE 'TWISTS' DEAN. I'll leave the reast of the analogy to you. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: October 13, 2005 08:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judging by Doctrine

Re: [TruthTalk] Judging by Doctrine

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Ah but you hit the Nail on the head by ANOTHER MAN, preferably a scholarly type.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A but you miss the heart of the issue Dean. When you've identified it then, I'll answer your question. Please don't be afraid to think. - Original Message

Re: [TruthTalk] Two (2) Major Omissions vis a vis the Bible

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
And nothing to REGULATE yours. Nothing governs you? In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes. Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts. The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that

Re: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!!

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
not reading the book. JD-Original Message-----From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.com To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 04:33:04 -0700 (PDT)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!! Since the "scholars contains truth" crowd w

Re: [TruthTalk] Judging by Doctrine

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Lance knows not where the Truth lies Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. I know the Truth, you have admitted to being CROOKED a Twister, where do I get a Lance Twister detector? O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh

Re: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!!

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: October 13, 2005 08:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!! So the scholar is your mediator?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NEEDFUL INDEED! - Original Message

Re: [TruthTalk] Two (2) Major Omissions vis a vis the Bible

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Thats part of the game make the donkeys dance.Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/13/2005 10:07:18 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two (2) Major Omissions vis a vis the Bible No! with a qualifier. cd: I'm

Re: [TruthTalk] Two (2) Major Omissions vis a vis the Bible

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
I read Scripture and quote Scripture with the intent to hear what it has to say to us. and some skeptics don't even try, because it is not possible to know the whole truth. while others DON'T want to know the Truth it conflicts with the love of their lives - SINDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Two (2) Major Omissions vis a vis the Bible

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
You can find the Translation for Lance's Jabberwocky in the FICTIONary Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean - this is Lancespeak and it is something akin to Jabberwocky. He likes to speak in riddles. I'd just take the NO for what it's worth and forget about the qualifier. That is No

Re: [TruthTalk] Pakistan

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Are you GOing over there? to DO the obvious[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just received a e-mail for a brother missionary in Pakistan. He is reporting over 50,000 confirmed deaths at this time (as of yesterday) with more than 500 villages destroyed. Do the obvious Jd Yahoo! Music

Re: [TruthTalk] Two (2) Major Omissions vis a vis the Bible

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Nice try but you left out the whole council of God Anyone with a little sense could see this is against the intent of the rest of scripture and quite a few other scriptures at that Thou shalt not steal Now you must tamper with that one also. Many have tried, look at Ole joe. Sometimes he had 3

Re: [TruthTalk] Two (2) Major Omissions vis a vis the Bible

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Aren't Lance's arguments basically a form of Skepticism in that no one can know the truth? They are self refuting since if they are true then Lance can not speak the truth Please disregard all his statementsDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote: 'Holy Spirit would guide us into all

Re: [TruthTalk] Two (2) Major Omissions vis a vis the Bible

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
It says wisdom not TruthJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It means exactly what it says and God honors it when the motive is pure. Should we throw the baby out with the bathwater and go off into doubt and unbelief just because Mormons borrow it? jt On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:41:27 -0400

Re: [TruthTalk] Judging by Doctrine

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
SUN YUNG MOON says the same thing Jesus Christ is my Savior and Redeemer. but he is talking about himself![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this is a very important statement.DAVEH: Jesus Christ is my Savior and Redeemer.-Original Message-From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Two (2) Major Omissions vis a vis the Bible

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Nice play on words "What else is knew"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course I can. But that was not the point, was it. I'll bet you do not have a clue as to why I said what I said. What else is knew. JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Two (2) Major Omissions vis a vis the Bible

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
how is it that I hold my own with you so easily? Simple, cause you are a legend in your own mind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. THERE IS NO PUNCTUAION IN THE GREEK TEXT, DAvid. ALL OF IT IS ADDED. Care to rethink your response? 2. "equivocating" - is that what jell-o does after it gets cold?

Re: [TruthTalk] Two (2) Major Omissions vis a vis the Bible

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
while others are all excited about recess If what you guys believe is true, the Book need only be thirty or forty verses long. But it is not a legal document. It is a history of the chosen people of God from Adam to present times. JD Original Message-----From: Kevin Deegan openai

Re: [TruthTalk] Perhaps a thought for the day

2005-10-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Barth has Refuted himself from further testimony.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have highlighted that which jumped out at me. Have a good night. I feel great, by the way. I have gooten completely away from the personal issues of this forum. The kid is back. jd Dear John: I remember our

Re: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!!

2005-10-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
YES, way to restrictive. Let us cast off His bands and cast away the cords! PS 2Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The big problem with the Bible is that it does not always say what you want it to say, therefore it is not totally reliable. If you start trying to go strictly according to the

Re: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!!

2005-10-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
Being the SKEPTIC that you are; How can you be so sure of yourself? Have you apprehended the truth? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The TRIUNE GOD through the PERSON OF JESUS, the Incarnate Israelite, the vicariously obedient eternal Son of the Father through the power of the Spirit, WILL

Re: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!!

2005-10-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
"the Bible contains the Word of God" Chapter verse? Since it "contains" the word of god it is probably hidden in there somewhere, soI will understand if you can't find the portion that teaches it only "contains" the word of God. Makes it so much easier to enjoy your Beer Cigars that

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