[TruthTalk] A model of vociferous but diplomatic engagement

2006-01-22 Thread Lance Muir
Bill Taylor. Thanks for this, Bill. Lance

Re: [TruthTalk] DAVID MILLER AN EVOLUTIONIST?

2006-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
David, please: What sort of 'creationist' are you? Did you write complete submit a Ph.D. thesis? What was the title? What were the chapter headings? Would it be possible to read it? Please explain 'worst answer on the entire exam'. Lance - Original Message - From: David Miller

[TruthTalk] Fw: hi Lance, it's Domenic. We met last week.

2006-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Victor Shepherd To: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: January 20, 2006 07:31 Subject: RE: hi Lance, it's Domenic. We met last week. Lance, while nothing creaturely is the measure of God's holiness, by revelation we are drawn into fellowship with God

[TruthTalk] Homosexuality over orthodox christology?

2006-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
Please explain yourself on this? Isn't this backwards? (i.e. Should the latter be wrong, even very wrong, then, might the former be informed by an incorrect understanding of the 'gospel'. (i.e. again, contract over covenant, fear based preaching etc.)

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
If, when speaking of Jesus, I thoroughly misrepresent and offer up a charicature of Jesus, does this matter? IMO, WHO JESUS IS, is so central to 'our gospel' that removing HIM from the center in our thinking/preaching is to offer up a gospel that is other than 'Christ centered'. IMO, this

[TruthTalk] FYI -www.opensourcetheology.net

2006-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
Worth a look for some.

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?

2006-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
One would assume, Dean, that herein lies something of your own understanding on the matter at hand. Why not draw that 'something' from the Darby quote, put it in your own words then, await a reply? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Homosexuality over orthodox christology?

2006-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
- From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/21/2006 6:19:43 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Homosexuality over orthodox christology? Please explain yourself on this? Isn't this backwards? (i.e. Should the latter be wrong, even very wrong

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
Man - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/21/2006 6:41:17 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man If, when speaking of Jesus, I thoroughly misrepresent and offer up

[TruthTalk] Fw: funeral

2006-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: January 21, 2006 08:32 Subject: funeral In about 15 minutes I am going to Toronto to the funeral ofFrau Bertsch, an old family friend who I think was in her 90s. She was oneof my mother'snight school ESL students

Re: [TruthTalk] Homosexuality over orthodox christology?

2006-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
: [TruthTalk] Homosexuality over orthodox christology? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/21/2006 7:21:41 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Homosexuality over orthodox christology? Sorry

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?

2006-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/21/2006 8:26:24 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David? Ah! This then would put JND in the position of denying that which Bill Taylor is affirming. Allow me

Re: [TruthTalk] Homosexuality over orthodox christology?

2006-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/21/2006 8:56:00 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Homosexuality over orthodox christology? I'm with ya on the 'wicked thingy'. Now, if SPS could just do a 180

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
Judy exemplifies non-inflammatory language: 'Give me a break' 'He's got his sperm and flesh spread all over the Arab nations for goodness sake' 'adult people who are (hopefully) in their right mind' 'He was not a raving schizophrenic' - Original Message - From: Dean Moore

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
Jt pronouncements free of editorial component: 'how crazy does it sound..' 'Jesus..with a nature that follow Satan..' (just a couple I missed last time 'round) - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

[TruthTalk] Pretend Moderator

2006-01-21 Thread Lance Muir
One person (unnamed female) is employing too much invective in her posts. Ease up a little and utilize substantive argumentation to make your points. You're beginning to sound just a bit too much like Lance. He thinks you wouldn't appreciate the comparison.

Fw: [TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-20 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: January 19, 2006 23:48 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Something to think about "I did not make it; no, it is making me; it is the very truth of God, not the invention of any man." --Rich Mullins, in the song Cre

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman

2006-01-20 Thread Lance Muir
Do you now or, have you recently, TAUGHT THIS IN ANY CHURCH? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 20, 2006 04:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:39:56

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman

2006-01-20 Thread Lance Muir
to keep things a bit more pure? On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:51:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you now or, have you recently, TAUGHT THIS IN ANY CHURCH? On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:39:56 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

[TruthTalk] Thought

2006-01-20 Thread Lance Muir
Either faith in Christ is faith in God or, it is idolatry.

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman

2006-01-20 Thread Lance Muir
: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman So??? Most would not allow Jesus himself into their churches to teach even as early as the 2nd Century he was outside knocking on the door. On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:18:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW

[TruthTalk] DAVID MILLER AN EVOLUTIONIST?

2006-01-20 Thread Lance Muir
You critiqued the course outline by Victor Shepherd as to its inordinant 'theological' focus. Are you aware that the majority of practicing scientists who are themselves Christians hold to some form of evolution.? Do you?

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman

2006-01-20 Thread Lance Muir
: January 20, 2006 06:39 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman So Lance where do you get your anointing as "chief appraiser?" It's one that is not listed in all the NT On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:35:24 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Thought

2006-01-20 Thread Lance Muir
: [TruthTalk] Thought Now where didthat profound thought came from? What about faith in God by way of the Church Fathers? What is that? On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:31:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Either faith in Christ is faith in God or, it is idolatry.

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?

2006-01-20 Thread Lance Muir
IFO and, I may be the last holdout as to Judy's self-awareness, believe Judy to be quite unaware of what she's doing. Have you ever heard Gracie Allen? FWIW, I believe this equally of David Miller. - Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?

2006-01-20 Thread Lance Muir
) is really an attack against us. I wonder if she notices that my arguments have come from Scripture. Is she unaware of that too? I don't think so. Bill - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, January

[TruthTalk] CALLING DAVID MILLER! You SAID that God had shown you good things about Bill Taylor did you not?

2006-01-20 Thread Lance Muir
CALLING DAVID MILLER: ARISE THOU THAT SLEEPEST! You've not had a more important discussion (potentially) on TT, David. Why are you in semi-hybernation? You posted as temp mod a week or so ago on the most petty of matters yet, you fail to come forward, comprehensively, on such as this! WHY?

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?

2006-01-20 Thread Lance Muir
Well said, David. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 20, 2006 12:19 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David? Judy wrote: I am amazed that anyone reading Church history would want to hold the early

Re: [TruthTalk] CALLING DAVID MILLER! You SAID that God had shown you good things about Bill Taylor did you not?

2006-01-20 Thread Lance Muir
Yikes. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 20, 2006 12:23 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CALLING DAVID MILLER! You SAID that God had shown you good things about Bill Taylor did you not? Lance wrote: CALLING DAVID

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman

2006-01-20 Thread Lance Muir
Yikes again. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 20, 2006 12:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman Lance wrote: FWIW Judy, I'm confident that DM, BT, JD and G would never allow you, given your

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?

2006-01-20 Thread Lance Muir
Well said again, David. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 20, 2006 16:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David? Hi Judy. Calvin is generally NOT considered a church father. I think over

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-19 Thread Lance Muir
'I read this to be saying'!! May we put that other matter to bed once and for all, DM/JT? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 19, 2006 08:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

[TruthTalk] Quote of the day

2006-01-19 Thread Lance Muir
'Once you've thrown away language you've thrown away a world.'

[TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-19 Thread Lance Muir
Jesus is neither unambiguously human with our humanity nor unambiguously God with God's divinity. This would make Jesus some 'third thing'. (Arianism) Sometimes you will hear people say 'Jesus is human all right but, he's more than human. That which is more than human isn't human. That

Re: [TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-19 Thread Lance Muir
09:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Something to think about Then he's a Mormon Jesus ... who has a problem with that?? On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:19:52 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus is neither unambiguously human with our humanity nor unambig

Re: [TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-19 Thread Lance Muir
eir creeds the professing Church (or embryonic rcc) was already off into darkness. On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:44:27 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Help me out Judy. Are you meaning to say that if Jesus is wholly human and wholly divine simultaneously then,

Re: [TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-19 Thread Lance Muir
is earthly ministry he claimed to have come from "heaven" which is hardly "wholly human" and earthly or of the earth. On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:15:07 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NO! From: Judy Taylor Isn't this a form

Re: [TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-19 Thread Lance Muir
to think about Being wholly human and god ATST is a Mormon construct. Whereas it would be against the God of the Bible's ways to be "fallen" and wholly God ATST On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:43:13 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I assure you (pe

Re: [TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-19 Thread Lance Muir
.. who has a problem with that?? On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:19:52 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus is neither unambiguously human with our humanity nor unambiguously God with God's divinity. This would make Jesus some 'thi

Re: [TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-19 Thread Lance Muir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Then he's a Mormon Jesus ... who has a problem with that?? On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:19:52 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus is neither unambiguously human with our humanity no

Re: [TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-19 Thread Lance Muir
of Balaam which is in effect that ppl will make it with or without sin. There is no overcoming involved because of the "incarnation" - at least this is what I have been hearing from you. On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:46:52 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
Bill revised his comments, Judy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 17, 2006 15:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man Thank you Dean, It is really

Re: [TruthTalk] TT's ??

2006-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
So then, Judy, should Jesus' human nature actually have been other than your 'reading' of Scripture? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 17, 2006 16:06 Subject: Re:

[TruthTalk] Without belief in the preexistence of Christ, Christianity would no longer be recognizeable

2006-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
The doctrine of Christ's personal preexistence as the second person of the Trinity is taken for granted by most orthodox Christians and has been since New Testament times. The effect of its denial is a god who differers radically from the Biblical God. "The way the pre-existence of Christ

Re: [TruthTalk] The rationality of God -- nonsense

2006-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
It may be 'that no (wo)man is an island' yet, does every 'island' produce its own theologian. The DM's (2) need be remindeded that the Scriptures in the hands of some can be dangerous. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent:

Re: [TruthTalk] TT's ??

2006-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
the first Adam". Think about it - SERIOUSLY . On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:28:25 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So then, Judy, should Jesus' human nature actually have been other than your 'reading' of Scripture? - Orig

Re: [TruthTalk] The rationality of God -- nonsense

2006-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
ges" when it was chained to the pulpit because of fear. Have faith in God. From: Lance Muir It may be 'that no (wo)man is an island' yet, does every 'island' produce its own theologian. The DM's (2) need be remindeded that the Scriptures in t

Re: [TruthTalk] The rationality of God -- nonsense

2006-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
cern to DM and if he were not so grounded in his faith the attitudes of you and JD toward him personally would top the list On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:36:27 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE SCRIPTURES, JUDY!! This ought to be a matter of

Re: [TruthTalk] TT's ??

2006-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
are hearing from God when you can accept all of God's Word as is without having to explain any of it away or cut any of it out. Now this is PEACE. On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:34:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOGICALLY, Judy, (ala David Miller) IT IS QUITE

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
DM knows that BT does, in reality, almost never fail to grasp your meaning when you post, Judy. Sadly, you often believe him to have 'missed it'. On the matter of 'who is Jesus' some would find you to have gone further afield than the Mormons. DM, it only sometimes appears, knows the

Re: [TruthTalk] The rationality of God -- nonsense

2006-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
y what God has shown youand ppl either accept it or they reject it ... the outcome is not up to us. On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:58:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DM is, IMO, intentionally elusive. At times he appears almost duplicitous, sayin

Re: [TruthTalk] TT's ??

2006-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
address. Shame on you Lance - you really should learn to employ 2 Cor 10:5 and read your Bible more and other men's theology less... On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:53:49 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your doctrines, Judy, along with some of DM's ARE the

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
and BT grasp my meaning Lance then why can't either of you respond using plain speech rather than some man's "orthodox" theological maze? Why not just stick with the Words of Truth and the faith ONCE given to the saints? On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:14:45 -0500 "Lance Muir&qu

Fw: [TruthTalk] Kiss off illumination

2006-01-17 Thread Lance Muir
IMPORTANT* Here's another fine mess you gotten me into, Ollie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 16, 2006 18:27 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Huh ?? and Huh?? again

2006-01-17 Thread Lance Muir
See Irenaeus Athanasius 'The unassumed is unhealed' If (wo)men are to be fully saved, Christwould have to be FULLY HUMAN. IMO, if He were not fully human then we are yet in our sins. This is who Jesus is. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

[TruthTalk] view him (David Miller) as a game player-playing with others

2006-01-17 Thread Lance Muir
Dean, IMO, intends this more favorably than I would. There is a 'cat and mouse' style noticeable within SOME of David's posts. Even in this most central of discussions on WHO JESUS IS, he comments then withdraws. When asked point blank to offer a few paragraphs outlining his position, with

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-17 Thread Lance Muir
Asked and answered on numerous occasions, Judy. You already know that. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 17, 2006 07:32 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-17 Thread Lance Muir
Let's see if DM is as cavalier as you are on this matter, Judy. The cost to him in mocking 'orthodoxy' would be much greater than to you. Hels doing his own 'perichoretic dance' you might say. In his case he's 'dancing', as you like to put it, with himself. He won't commit. At least one

[TruthTalk] I've sent an email to 'Wonder Woman'. I await her replay.

2006-01-17 Thread Lance Muir
Don't hold your breath. I'm also checking for the Bat signal should WW be unavailable.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw:

2006-01-16 Thread Lance Muir
. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: FYI re:Who is Victor? - Original Message - From: Victor Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lance Muir [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-16 Thread Lance Muir
to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now Going to the Bible will NOT bring the issue to resolution, Dean. Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?

2006-01-16 Thread Lance Muir
it }:( Oh well, that's not going to stop me from agreeing with it :) Well said, Debbie. Bill - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? - Original Message - From

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-16 Thread Lance Muir
Amen! - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 15, 2006 23:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences I know that you say that you do not believe that one must be right to be saved, but you do not realize that I

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and biblical language

2006-01-16 Thread Lance Muir
authority to read trinity as someone has to read godhead or divine nature. jd -- Original message -- From: Lance Muir On employing 'non-biblical' terminology when speaking of WHO Jesus is: Insofar as the language one chooses accurately reflects the subject under

Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?

2006-01-16 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: January 15, 2006 13:42 Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? For cd: I understand baptism INTO CHRIST as identification with Christ, acknowledging participation in his faith/covenant-keeping for us

[TruthTalk] Fw: glory

2006-01-16 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: January 15, 2006 20:32 Subject: glory Hey, Lance! I am finallyreadingthe last chapter of the Gunton book Jonathan lent me, having set it aside for a bit, and have just come to something that speaks very

[TruthTalk] Fw: leading into all truth

2006-01-16 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: January 15, 2006 21:04 Subject: leading into all truth And here is something else interesting, about the Spirit leading into all truth. You may recall from the second lecture/chapter his explaining that the Spirit

[TruthTalk] Science Theology course by Victor Shepherd

2006-01-16 Thread Lance Muir
Does anyone have any recommendations as to material which addresses the technological shift of recent years?

[TruthTalk] Why more theology than science?

2006-01-16 Thread Lance Muir
DM: I should be pleased to put you in touch with Dr. Shepherd. He's open to substantive input as the course will not be taught until September, 2007. Please remind me of your scientific credentials so that I might commend you to him. Just a thought re: your query: As the cosmos is the

[TruthTalk] A DM like thought

2006-01-16 Thread Lance Muir
Those who deny Christ's eternal pre-existence have some difficulty in holding, consistently and coherently, to His Deity (diety for those who prefer it)

Re: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and biblical language

2006-01-16 Thread Lance Muir
trinity " in the place of "Godhead." Our translations are copies of the original tex t (as best as we can reconstruct that text) . The Latin Vulgate has the same place in biblical history in terms of type and quality as does the more literal of the English translatio

Re: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?

2006-01-16 Thread Lance Muir
THE CALL? From unbelief to belief? From immorality to morality (already addressed). From morality? The latter is certainly no 'straw man'. It may be that some on TT need to be called from this. I sometimes see DM with one foot in this camp. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore

Re: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Lance Muir
IFF you are incorrect on this matter then, 'all truth' does NOT include this rather central and rather important matter concerning 'who Jesus is'. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent:

Re: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and biblical language

2006-01-16 Thread Lance Muir
0:00 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please check your sources on this, Judy. I believe he claimed to be speaking under 'inspiration'. From: Judy Taylor Benny Hinn was quoting another source and from what I understand he repent

Re: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and biblical language

2006-01-16 Thread Lance Muir
udy you wrote "NO Dean" I believe you meant to say"No Lance" as you are replying to his statement and not mine. On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:30:00 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 14, 2006 17:42 Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/14/2006 10

[TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: January 14, 2006 17:02 Subject: OK, done working for now paragraph inthis lecture of Victor's: I've often said, too, that the hardest part of any service of worship for the minister is the children's story

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
in this passage? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/14/2006 10:17:23 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences Never fear Dean, it's based on a faulty reading of key texts so nobody's

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
It fascinates me that both yourself and DM believe that readers/participants on TT do not 'know' you. You both have no hesitation to say that you 'know' us. Why is that, Judy (DM)? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc:

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
s lived theirs !! jd On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:56:35 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm with Bill on this one. God is with Bill on this one, IMO, of course.

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
(Judy) This is a rather broad question, Lance. I'm not sure where to begin. It sounds like you want me to write a book for you. Can you narrow your question a little? David Miller - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
he appears to be a thorn in your side. On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:53:46 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It fascinates me that both yourself and DM believe that readers/participants on TT do not 'know' you. You both have no hesitation to say that you 'kno

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
n the holy and the profane. On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:58:51 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy:THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM, JT, YOU DO BELIEVE THE BIBLE!! DM ALSO BELIEVES THE BIBLE! Wherein there lies coincidence between that which God Himself says and, tha

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
less dangerous than John claiming an ontological infallibility for himself. Why do you give him a pass on that, but wrangle over every jot and tittle of what I write? David Miller - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 6

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
in our words just as the scholars and Pharisees did to Jesus. On the other hand, the feedback you give us from how we represent you tells us that we are reading and understanding you just fine. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday

[TruthTalk] This is NOT, I say NOT (ala Foghorn Leghorn) a reply to any Moderator comment whatsoever

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
DM: You have an impressive mind which is reflected in your ability to write and, to evaluate the writing of others. Good for you, DM. NOW, as to that short message, pulling together the disparate understandings, on Who Jesus Is... Please, Lance

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
- From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/15/2006 6:46:56 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences Any errors in the passage, Dean? No, I know of none. Any errors in the interpretation, Dean? YES! Dean:IMO, JT DM occupy a position

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
, but I think Bill and I believe in the same Jesus. I'm not sure what to talk about. What's the point? Write a thesis about Jesus? That's a book, man. Where would I find the time to do that? David Miller - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
Muir himself would deign to write the following about another person .. "Should you wish to continue to pontificate from on high then, we shall not hear matters of substance. We shall only hear you judge us. (something you seem to do regularly)" From: "Lan

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/15/2006 6:49:49 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE Dean:I'd ask of you what I asked of DM, namely, outline your own position regarding

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
Why didn't God send Himas an antidote to "unbelief" only if this is the main problem?? On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:50:35 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lanc

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/15/2006 8:40:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences Let's break the response down into two parts, Dean. Part #1:Are you aware that the majority of believing Bible scholars

Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: January 15, 2006 09:23 Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? Lance, I think David may be right about regularly posting to TT the remarks I make to you about forwarded messages that I find interesting

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2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
FYI re:Who is Victor? - Original Message - From: Victor Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: January 07, 2006 20:35 Lance, Here's the latest. Victor Theology and Science.doc Description: MS-Word document

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
as you seem to suppose. If one is to evaluate the speaker then one must also consider the speakers past statements to determine theavailability of truth offer by the speaker.Which statement do you want me to support? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir

Re: [TruthTalk] Differences

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
AMEN Dean!! - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 15, 2006 12:38 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-15 Thread Lance Muir
- From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 15, 2006 12:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/15/2006 12

Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-14 Thread Lance Muir
Judy, rightly IMO, has oft spoken of the disconnect that may take place between theologizing and godliness. Conversely, as illustrated in this post by Bill, a more thoroughgoing teaching, along with the apprehension, of the Trinitarian Nature of God ought to issue in that which Jt speaks

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-14 Thread Lance Muir
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:39:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, rightly IMO, has oft spoken of the disconnect that may take place between theologizing and godliness. Conversely, as illustrated in this post by Bill, a more thoroughgoing

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-14 Thread Lance Muir
Divine = God - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 14, 2006 09:59 Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE Well, yes and no, DH. I am included in that circle

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