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[TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it
From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Why the BIG Play on the emotions of others to try and
pressure us to stop? Whe
I never was LDS
I was saved Dec 12 1972.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Kevin, You haven't answered my question, and you obviously alreadyhave the "answers" to yours. I seriously doubt I can change your mindon much of anything. Ask Perry, or maybe Ruben.. Like yourself, theyalready "know" everything ab
Blaine: The devil is not identified as an Angel of Light, Kevin, he isidentified as PRETENDING to be an Angel of Light. Satan is and alwayshas been a master at the art of deception and lies.
Where do you get this from? Pretending? Looks like he fooled you on this one.
2 CO 11 For such are false a
Blaine:
That is a good question, Judy--it goes to the heart of what Dean et al do
on Temple Square in Salt Lake City, such as waving underwear, shouting,
etc.
Ruben:
Does this waving your blessed underwear really trouble you that much? If we
stop doing that, then you know that will only be pushed
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:30:58 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The devil is identified as an Angel of light in the Bible and the
> book Mormon Doctrine.
Blaine: The devil is not identified as an Angel of Light, Kevin, he is
identified as PRETENDING to be an Angel of Light.
Kevin wrote:
> The devil is identified as an Angel of light in the Bible and the
> book Mormon Doctrine.
Blaine Writes: I knew that was going to be your theme song, Kevin.
Again, I ask, if you know the "answers," why even ask me the questions?
Sorry, but I am not going to allow myself to g
Hi Kevin, You haven't answered my question, and you obviously already
have the "answers" to yours. I seriously doubt I can change your mind
on much of anything. Ask Perry, or maybe Ruben.. Like yourself, they
already "know" everything about the LDS Church.
Question: Are you a former memb
Your posts keep going to an attachment. My program will not even copy
isolated sentences, words or whatever. It takes too much time to try to
answer you posts. What are you doing? Yours are the only ones to do
this.
Blaine
--
"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, t
>
> Don't hold your breath, Kevin--just answering DavidM's questions, and
> some of Izzy's took my allotted time for today.
Dean writes: I don't think David put a limit on the replies.It was only
considered.
--
"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may k
The devil is identified as an Angel of light in the Bible and the book Mormon Doctrine.
JSH 13 At length I came to the conclusion that I must either remain in darkness and confusion, or else I must do as James directs, that is, ask of God. I at length came to the determination to ask of God, co
Kevin wrote:
Then why do you call Moroni an Angel of light?
Blaine: Did I do that? If so, I suppose it was because Moroni appeared
in a cloud of light, and had a message which enlightened JS.
In JS's own words,
"While I was thus in the act of calling upon God, I discovered a light
appe
What explans the FACT that the revelation you posted DC13 did not get into the D&C until 1876? It was supposedly, given 1829 before the Book of Commandments!
Not in the Book of Commandments, not in the 1835 D&C or any of the many editions thereafter. It suddenly shows up in 1876
D&C 3 a prophecy of
ch to find oneself.
Perry
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>Kevin wrote:
>
> > What about those that apostacize
There is no evidence of the event, the date is of minor importance for a non existant event:
"There is NO HISTORICAL evidence of such an event. Nor is there any evidence that Peter, James, and John were present, either when the instruction was given to ordain or when the ordination actually took
Kevin wrote:
> What about those that apostacize? Do they still have authority?
> Half
> > of the first 12 Mormon apostles Apostacized. What happened to
> their
> > Authority?
Blaine writes: I can't understand why you even ask some of your
questions, Kevin. You seem to know so much about
Hi Kevin,
The tenor of your writing is . . . a little too testy for my blood--you
seem too eager to get into an argument, which I usually try to avoid.
Tone it down a little, and I might want to "discuss" something with you.
But for now, How about this?
Kevin wrote:
PAID PROTESTORS?> >
> >
You made the accusations. STRAW MEN, PREJUDICE, PRESUMPTUOUS
You can't back them up or even explain them?
So there you have it folks, DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH waiting for ansqwers from a Mormon.
Izzy did you get your answers?
DavidM did you get your answers?
Well that leaves us with lots of que
Don't hold your breath, Kevin--just answering DavidM's questions, and
some of Izzy's took my allotted time for today. If you ask too many
questions, many of which I suspect you already know answers to, I will be
tied to the computer longer than I can afford. Not that you don't have
intriguing que
You assure me?I should rest my eternal destiny on your assurance?A slip-up?What if your soul slips through the cracks?Look what a slip-up did to the space shuttle.Who did the slip-up? Joe the prophet or your god?Are these matters important enough to want a full assurance even from external evidence
Then why do you call Moroni an Angel of light?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin,I assure you the PH was restored on the date given. I used to celebratethis even as a boy, with others who had been ordained to the A PH. Thepriesthood after the order of Aaron as it exists in the LDS church todayhas many
Kevin,
I assure you the PH was restored on the date given. I used to celebrate
this even as a boy, with others who had been ordained to the A PH. The
priesthood after the order of Aaron as it exists in the LDS church today
has many parallels with the same PH as it was in OT times.
Example: Th
Questions for Blaine
Still waiting on specific examples of
"straw men attacks"How I am "prejudiced"
How I am "presumptuous"
Or is it that since you can not deal with the subject matter, you must resort to poisioning the well?
Also waiting for the DATE of the restoration of the Melchisedec priesth
Blaine wrote:
> That's just it, he had the same dignity and presence
> on the colt as he did otherwise. He was always dignified,
> even naked upon the cross. He had inner dignity.
> Salt Lake City street preachers have no presence.
I don't doubt that the ones who followed him saw his digni
I have been preaching publicly for over 20 years
Thousands of times all over the US
Never been arrested.
Probably because I am much more gentle than these other guys! Blaine R Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:53:47 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
Blaine: This happened on May 15, 1839. John appeared as an angel of light
Interesting that you would give us the date of the bestowing of the LOWER priesthood.
Can I look up the account in the local paper of the time?
Here is what I really need to know.
If this did not happen LDS have NO AUTHO
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:53:47 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
There is NO CONSTITUTIONAL Right to Peace & Quiet
** Jus' keep believing that, Kevin, and one of these
days you will get arrested for disturbing the peace--or for
violating some town's noise or
DaveM wrote:
It is a shame because they are teaching them
that authority comes from man instead of from God.
** Blaine:
Dave, you should know better than to say this. You
know that "they" (LDS) teach that all authority to act in God's
name comes from God--It is called priesthood auth
Blaine R Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blaine: That's just it, he had the same dignity and presence on the colt as he did otherwise. He was always dignified, even naked upon the cross. He had inner dignity. Salt Lake City street preachers have no presence. That is why they need to bang
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:33:19 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>
Blaine wrote:> > Dignity should be a part of anyone who thinks
> > to represent the Lord--I think he was a man > > of great
dignity and presence. > > You might want to rethink this.
The week of his crucifixion
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Blaine: Snippy snip! Not MORE, Dean, but we share a mutual respect I like mucho. Again, are you married?? You
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Blaine...but you lost it
I bet
Blaine doesnt have
more than one w
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>I bet Blaine doesn't have more than one wife! Iz
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From: Kevin Deegan
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**Is the Mormon Temple in SLC a public arena? The actions of some of those who feel the need to be engaged in it may
**Is the Mormon Temple in SLC a public arena? The actions of some of those who feel the need to be engaged in it may lose this right for all of us. I wrote: Is the above completely honest? (not being interested in converting anyone to a religion or belief) I've seen lots of notch counting here a
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>It is a shame
because they are teaching them that authority comes from man instead of from
God. You can see this in the Mormons themselves in their speech here on
TruthTalk. They believe they will be saved because of the authority they
believe that t
Judy wrote:
> How do you figure that David? There are ordinances
> against noise in public places. When we moved to
> VaBch I used to like taking the kids to the Beach
> in the summer so I could relax and listen to the waves
> I hated it when ppl would come with these loud boom
> boxes playi
There is NO CONSTITUTIONAL Right to Peace & Quiet
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>The imposition in a public area happens when someone complains and claims that they have a right to quietness when they go out in public areas. These are the ones who are imposing t
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>The imposition in
a public area happens when someone complains and claims that they have a right
to quietness when they go out in public areas. These are the ones who are
imposing their unconstitutional views upon others. These are the lawless
ones.
Blaine wrote:
> Dignity should be a part of anyone who thinks
> to represent the Lord--I think he was a man
> of great dignity and presence.
You might want to rethink this. The week of his crucifixion, he came
into town meek and lowly, sitting on a donkey not some great steed.
Remember how Isa
DAVEH: My latest comments are
in RED.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
How about your comments on the UN Chriastian behavior
of the LDS HIGH PRIEST? How about comments on why LDS Security Attacks
individuals handing out only printed, literature on a PUBLIC sidewalk? Why
is your church one of the only
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 02:23:44 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>
Blaine wrote:> > The Mormon missionaries are far from being like
> > you street preachers. They wear suits, > > Some
street preachers do that, just not Ruben. He is always in >
shorts.
**BlainerB And a T sh
Judy wrote:
> I believe the Street Preachers knew they would get
> a reaction and this is why they were waving the
> underwear about in front of the Temple during one
> of the busiest times.
Wait a minute. Are you saying that you think the Street Preachers knew
they would get a VIOLENT reactio
Judy wrote:
> **But those walking in the light know that it is
> not the Father's House First because God no longer
> put's his name on buildings, His house is the body
> of Christ, living stones, a human temple.
That's what Stephen preached and was stoned for. Don't you see a
similar attitude
Dean wrote:
> Here is a picture of Ruben and I in front of the
> Church of Jesus Christ sign in front of the Temple
> on the north Gate of Temple Square.
Hi Dean. I like the picture, but you have to learn some things about
sending pictures on e-mail. That picture was 1 MB in size, which
doesn't
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>David Miller
wrote:>> I guess they would throw Jesus in jail too if he >>
anonymously did to their Temple what Jesus did >> to the Jewish
Temple.Judy wrote:> ***Why go into a pagan temple and try to
cleanse > that? Jesus went into the temple in Jerusal
How about your comments on the UN Chriastian behavior of the LDS HIGH PRIEST?
How about comments on why LDS Security Attacks individuals handing out only printed, literature on a PUBLIC sidewalk?
Why is your church one of the only churches with bouncers?
What is so UN Christian about standing
David Miller wrote:
>> I guess they would throw Jesus in jail too if he
>> anonymously did to their Temple what Jesus did
>> to the Jewish Temple.
Judy wrote:
> ***Why go into a pagan temple and try to cleanse
> that? Jesus went into the temple in Jerusalem which
> was supposed to be His Fath
LDS have been asaulting us with impunity for years. The police have actually aided the thugs to escape. This was before we used garments. the Secret Service Bouncers at the temple gates have even asaulted a group of tracters. Not preachers! They have also asualted the pastor from Jude 3 missions Ku
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Kevin
wrote:>> Why also is the LDS HIGH PRIEST who asualted >> one
of the "preachers", called a HERO by the >> LDS? I call that a THUG!
My pastor would not >> asault someone for holding underwear? Is this
>> how yor HIGH PRIESTS behave?Judy:> You fello
Kevin wrote:
>> Why also is the LDS HIGH PRIEST who asualted
>> one of the "preachers", called a HERO by the
>> LDS? I call that a THUG! My pastor would not
>> asault someone for holding underwear? Is this
>> how yor HIGH PRIESTS behave?
Judy:
> You fellows were tweaking him on purpose Kevin
Exactly!
The real problem is that there are LDS members in Good standing been in the church for a year. They have NO IDEA what this garment is all about. They go to the Bishop, he gets Denies & gets short with them. It causes all kinds of problems. The name of the game is DENY & Conquer. They must
DAVEH wrote:
> Would you think the public display of the street
> preachers in SLC waving LDS underwear is one of
> those exceptions?
No, I don't see that as a problem at all. I wondered about it from the
reports coming out, but Ruben, who was doing it, answered it well, in my
opinion. I see n
DaveH wrote:
> What do you think of some of the obnoxious
> displays of the street preachers in SLC?
I support it. You might find me out there next year if I feel that I
can spare the time and expense to go.
DaveH wrote:
> Not with respect to the effect on the LDS folks,
> but do you think
Kevin Deegan wrote:
What exactly is so BAD about a PUBLIC display of
Temple attire?
DAVEH: I think Judy has given
you some good reasons, so I don't feel a need to repeat them. However
Kevin, what I will repeat is something I've mentioned to Ruben and Dean
previously. Have any of the proteste
From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Why the BIG Play on the emotions of others to try and pressure
us to stop? When that failed why the pressure thru city hall to write City
ordinances to silence our speech & put away our signs & consign us to a
location up the street?
Why the BIG Play on the emotions of others to try and pressure us to stop? When that failed
why the pressure thru city hall to write City ordinances to silence our speech & put away our
signs & consign us to a location up the street?
---
From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
What exactly is so BAD about a PUBLIC display of Temple attire?
Judy:
It is like getting in someone's face and telling them
they are 'a dirty, rotten, sinner' kind of
like Holy Hubert did. There is a difference
between holding up Christ as an ensign
What exactly is so BAD about a PUBLIC display of Temple attire?
Why also is the LDS HIGH PRIEST who asualted one of the "preachers", called a HERO
by the LDS?
I call that a THUG!
My pastor would not asault someone for holding underwear?
Is this how yor HIGH PRIESTS behave?
Why the BIG Play on th
David Miller wrote:
> Generally speaking, however, I don't think street preachers go out of
> their way to be disrespectful. There are always exceptions.
DAVEH: Would you think the public display of the street preachers in SLC waving LDS
underwear is one of those exceptions?
>
>
> Peace be
David Miller wrote:
> DAVEH wrote:
> > Does Dean respect me? I had not that impression.
>
> No, I guess he doesn't. But I try to treat you with respect, don't you
> think?
DAVEH: Yes DavidM. You have been kind to me despite your disagreement with my
beliefs. Thank you.
> Sure, we disagr
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I bet Blaine doesnt have more than one wife! Iz
I agree, as the one seems more then he can handle:-)
DAVEH wrote:
> Does Dean respect me? I had not that impression.
No, I guess he doesn't. But I try to treat you with respect, don't you
think? Sure, we disagree about many things, but I try to respect you as
a person. Do you think I give enough respect to you, as much as a
person who disagrees
Judy wrote:
> In your photos David there is some glaring disrespect
> - when one of the street preachers accepts a beer from
> one of the revelers and then pours it out on the ground
> - To me that would be like a slap on the face, wouldn't
> refusing it to begin with have been more respectful
David Miller wrote:
> Blaine wrote:
> > or otherwise show disrespect for others or
> > their religions--
>
> Right again. Street preachers generally speaking will respect others,
DAVEH: Does Dean respect me? I had not that impression.
>
> but they rarely ever respect the religion of others
Maybe he really meant his five wives went around the block one time!
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I bet Blaine doesn’t have
more than one wife! Iz
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it Blaine...but you lost it
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Blaine
wrote:do not yell, scream
Got us there. Street preachers sometimes yell, scream, blow
whistles,use truth horns, etc.
Blaine wrote:or otherwise show disrespect for others or their
religions--
Right again. Street preachers generally spea
From: "irebukeu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ruben:How in the heck do you expect to rule over planets as
gods,WHEN YOU CANNOT EVEN CONTROL YOUR WIFE?
Judy: I know you probably joking here Ruben but since
we will give account
for every idle word, I want to ask if 'controling a
wife' is a godly prin
Blaine wrote:
> The Mormon mnissionaries are far from being like
> you street preachers. They wear suits,
Some street preachers do that, just not Ruben. He is always in shorts.
Sometimes I wear a suit and tie, but not always.
Blaine wrote:
> look clean and neat,
Yeah, some street preachers
Perry, your messages go to an attachment whenever I try to reply to
them. Yours are the only ones that do that. Any idea why?
On a short leash? Hmmm, well she has a healthy sense of self esteem. I
prefer her that way.
BlaineRB:
--
"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:49:03 -0800 "irebukeu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Blaine:
> Is that a promise? I would love that!! The last name
> is BORROWMAN.
>
> Ruben:
> Done.
BlaineRB: Uh oh!! Me and my big mouth. I may end up being a Bishop over
this. LOL
>
> Blain
On a short leash, Blaine?
>
>Blaine:
>As for my "lack of Bible knowledge," as you may remember, I was pressed
>for time (my wife was circling the block, and was on her fifth or sixth
>circle, and staring daggers at me--I was afraid to get into an extended
>conversation w
Blaine:
Is that a promise? I would love that!! The last name
is BORROWMAN.
Ruben:
Done.
Blaine:
As for my "lack of Bible knowledge," as you may remember, I was pressed
for time (my wife was circling the block, and was on her fifth or sixth
circle, and staring daggers at m
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:55:13 -0800 "irebukeu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Blaine, I did find that post of our meeting each other at your
> temple, at
> the present time I have well over 600 E-mails that I have not even
> opened,
> with several thousand open and working on. So I did not know
> Ruben:
> Well, and now the rest of the story.. both Dean and I were absolutely
> shocked over the lack of Biblical knowledge we heard for you; maybe
shocked
> would be an understatement. Maybe traumatized for the lack of Bible with
> someone like you. In fact Blaine you confirmed why we were t
Blaine, I did find that post of our meeting each other at your temple, at
the present time I have well over 600 E-mails that I have not even opened,
with several thousand open and working on. So I did not know we met and I
do remember that meeting, so I will respond to your post now.
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