is called proselytizing, which you claim you are not here to do!
Perry
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Dat
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You have me confused with someone else. Might ask Lance or maybe Dean -- whoever but not me.
:-)
cd: Are you lying JD
DAVEH: Note to John.You are going to have a hard time defending
yourself against such accusations. Some TTers apparently enjoy making
wild and false claims repeatedly, and refuse to back them up with
direct quotes of evidence. For you to prove a negative is impossible,
so eventually it
[TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!
DAVEH: Note to John.You are going to have a hard time defending yourself against such accusations. Some TTers apparently enjoy making wild and false claims repeatedly, and refuse to back them up with direct quotes of evidence. For yo
What could we name this "club" of which we are hapless members?
DAVEH: Christian
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Thanks for the words. My hat is off to your abilityto
remain civil.
What could we name this "club" of which we are hapless
members?
Jd
DAVEH: Note to
The Pity Party?
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Thanks for the words. My hat is off to your
Vote Row L!ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Pity Party? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:15 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP
I believe that this "Jesus" must be based on
the Bible alone-not extra-biblical sources.
DAVEH: What would you say to the Jews who use that same argument
against your Christian message?
Dean Moore wrote:
DAVEH: Yes, certainly. Butwe probably
define Christians
for
understanding or, just to critique?
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Dave, why are y
DH is learning
DAVEH: And I am indebted to you for teaching me a lot, Kevin.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
DH is learning
Ever learning, and never able to
come to the knowledge of the truth.
BUT he is also RESISTING
Now as Jannes and Jambres
withstood Moses, so do these also resist
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I believe that this "Jesus" must be based on the Bible alone-not extra-biblical sources. DAVEH: What
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I'd truly appreciate all of the evidence you can supply to buttress your point
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alk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP! Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 06:55:22 -0800 _*If he is a MAN what is that man made of?*_ DAVEH: Jesus in his current resurrected state is /flesh and bone/, as you correctly stated... _*Lu 24:9 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle m
god's face and lives in the PoGP!
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To Dean Moore:
I'd truly appreciate all of the evidence you can supply
I have told them to study the book of
Isaiah as Christ is also in that book and many other places in the
Torah.
DAVEH: Do you really not think they read Isaiah? As I see it, they
read the Bible and understood that it said Jesus would come as a lion.
When he came as a lamb, they did not
: [TruthTalk] Moses
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JD, what do Rabbis have to do with
the mormon guys iz
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Well I didn't have a tape recorder on me at the time so you will just have to take my word that I have been told
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Ive also been told by a Jew that the messianic chapters in Isaiah are not included in the Torah readings
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JD, what do Rabbis have to do with the mormon guys iz
cd: He had no idea-He just wants to jump
You have me confused with someone else. Might ask Lance or maybe Dean -- whoever but not me.
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d you just might see what I was saying.
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Make me shudder in fright, Dean. (not) iz
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Dean -- exactly what did I say that attacks your character? -Original Message-From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:38:48 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!
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_*If he is a MAN what is that man made of?*_
DAVEH: Jesus in his current resurrected state is /flesh and bone/, as
you correctly stated...
_*Lu 24:9
No, I don't believe I would die because I
belong to Him
DAVEH: Would not that answer also apply to those of the OT times?
Those like Moses would be able to see God, and those who did not belong to Him couldn't?
From your above answer, may I assume you would believe that
somebody that did
Something else we should consider Kevin is James 1:13
"God can not be tempted with evil" whereas Matt 4:1,
Mk 1:13 and Lk 4:2 all document how the man Jesus was tempted of the devil
for 40 days in the wilderness. What I am saying
has nothing to do with logic, philosophy, or the tradition of
Not so JD; why do you add your understanding to the
written text? It was the Jews who were angry at
Jesus because he claimed to be the Son of God which in
their eyes (being spiritually ignorant) made him
equal to God. However, we who are quickened by
the Words He Spoke know better because He
My belief DaveH is that according toscripture the
Godhead consists of God the Father, God the Word,
and God the Holy Spirit. The man Jesus is God the
Word who by the eternal Spirit was born intoa body of
flesh and blood in the likeness of
man. I have never stated that Jesus during his
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DAVEH: Yes, certainly. Butwe probably define Christians differently than you do. I believe that one who
jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 04:53:44 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!
Not so JD; why do you add your understanding to the written text? It was the Jews who were angry at
Jesus because he
Better to put the words in the mouths of the ones who
spoke them rather than make them the "conclusion of the
Apostle John" which is hardly the "obvious" truth of
the text as you claim. The first verse of the gospel of John
reads
in the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with God
and
DAVEH: Do you believe Jesus is fully God now?
Judy Taylor wrote:
My belief DaveH is that according
toscripture the Godhead consists of God the Father, God the Word,
and God the Holy Spirit. The man Jesus is
God the Word who by the eternal Spirit was born intoa body of
flesh and
If he is a MAN what is that man made of?
DAVEH: Jesus in his current resurrected state is flesh and bone,
as you correctly stated...
Lu 24:9 Behold my hands and my feet,
that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit
hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
When
he was
Yes because it is in the resurrected Christ that the
"fullness of the Godhead bodily dwells" and believers are made
complete in Him. During his earthly ministry
Jesus was one with the Father who annointed Himwith thefullness of
the
Spirit but He was not walking in God's fullness as an
DAVEH: Do you believe that IF you were to see Jesus' face now, you
would die?
Judy Taylor wrote:
Yes because it is in the resurrected
Christ that the "fullness of the Godhead bodily dwells" and believers
are made
complete in Him. During his earthly
ministry Jesus was one with the
No, I don't believe I would die because I belong to Him
and He intercedes for me daily. However, I am not yet where I would like to be
- Look at the reaction of the apostle John to the risen Christ - remember
John is the one who layed on Jesus'
breast at what is called the Last Supper. He
However, since Jesus has a physical body of flesh and bone, then it might give one reason to ponder whether or not his Father in heaven might also be likewise composed. Only if one is a Bible denying mormon!Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he is a MAN what is that man made of?DAVEH: Jesus
In Him dwelt the fullness of the GODHEAD. BodilyJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes because it is in the resurrected Christ that the "fullness of the Godhead bodily dwells" and believers are made complete in Him. During his earthly ministry Jesus was one with the Father who
Where does the distinction come from that it is in the resurrected Christ that the Godhead dwells? Why not the Christ who walkd this earth? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Do you believe that IF you were to see Jesus' face now, you would die?Judy Taylor wrote: Yes because
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 06:55:22 -0800
_*If he is a MAN what is that man made of?*_
DAVEH: Jesus in his current resurrected state is /flesh and bone/, as you
correctly stated
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:52:39 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Where does the distinction come from that it is in
the resurrected Christ that the Godhead dwells?
Why not the Christ who walkd this earth?
Because the Christ who walked this earth layed a lot
of
: November 18, 2005 12:28
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!
Dave, why are you arguing with Christians who many many times have told
you that we believe, from scripture, that God the Father is a Spirit? You
keep trying to argue with Christians on that point
reading for understanding or, just to critique?- Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: November 18, 2005 12:28Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP! Dave, why are you argui
I was not asking for your Logical reasoning process.When you lay down your Groceries so you can get your key out of your pocket, do the Groceries again belong to the supermarket? Let me know when you plan on laying those car keys downI am looking for a new auto.Where does the bible Teach
I was thinking more along the lines that Christ (the
anointed one) is a member of the Godhead rather than
that it all indwelt Him during his earthly ministry -
where does the bible teach this?
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:46:27 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I was not
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwellCol 2:8-9 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead
Remember Colossians refers tothe "Risen Christ" -
We could not be complete in Him before the cross and New Birth.
During his time of earthly ministry he layed it all
aside (as per Phil 2:7) and became a servant/man walking after the
Spirit
and totally dependent on the will of the Father
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:35:28 -0800
*on to my second question**...how the mormon god, who is "without
beginning of days" is also a created being, thus, with a finite
beginning.
DAVEH: While on the way to work yesterday morning, I was listening to
a Christian radio station that was playing a sermon given by a minister
who spent some time explaining that Jesus was fully God. That
got me thinking about how he could be fully God, and yet not be fully
God if people saw
you last shot in,
then...
on to my second question...how the mormon god, who is "without
beginning of
days" is also a created being, thus, with a finite beginning.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglor
Not in the way that you do DaveH, but then my
understanding of God the Father differs from yours also
so I'm sure this does not surprise
you.Apart from out and out athiests everyone has a God
that
they believe to be the real one and noone will be
validated until we stand before Jesus
beginning.PerryFrom: Dave Hansen Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the
PoGP!Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:08:07
-0800*I do know that Moses saw
, 2005 02:13
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face and lives in the PoGP!
Easy ... Jesus did not come to earth as God. He took
upon himself the form of a servant (Phil 2:6). He first layed
aside the "glory" he had with the Father. Truth
is truth. No man can loo
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cd: Then pray tell why did He only appear as a voice in a burning bush? Your own evidence fails to support
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Common sence must be used here.If God had said" Moses met him face to face" and left it there then
cd: Dave a question -Do you consider Protestants Christians?
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From: Dave Hansen
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Sent: 11/17/2005 3:23:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!
DAVEH: While on the way to work yesterday morning
Lance Muir wrote:
As we approach that season wherein
we celebrate the coming of Immanuel, Judy raises an important point.
Who was that child born to Mary?
Do you mean Judith?
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*Dave, ignoring all of your caustic insults*
DAVEH: I find it rather amusing that you would say that,
Perry...considering
LOL! Welcome back, Sister. iz
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wrote:
cd: Dave a question -Do you consider Protestants Christians?
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being, thus, with a finite beginning. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP! Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:08:07 -0800 *I do know that Moses saw something, w
uot;without beginning of days" is also a created being, thus, with a finite beginning.PerryFrom: Dave Hansen Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:08:07 -0800*I do know that Moses
DAVEH: I'm not sure I am understanding you correctly, Judy. Are you
suggesting that Jesus was not God? Anddo you not believe Jesus is
God today, at this current time? Am I also to understand that you do
not believe (as the preacher claimed on the radio) that Jesus is (and
was) fully God???
Anyone can see the physical shell that surrounded God in the FLESH
DAVEH: So if that is the case, then why was not Moses allowed to see
God's face?
How could a Mortal BODY contain ALL of the IMMORTAL
INVISIBLEOMNIPRESENT OMNISCIENT God?
DAVEH: By becoming an immortal resurrected being, as
.how the mormon god, who is "without beginning of days" is also a created being, thus, with a finite beginning.PerryFrom: Dave Hansen Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:08:
ct: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:06:16 -0800*Dave, ignoring all of your caustic insults*DAVEH: I find it rather amusing that you would say that, Perry...considering you implied that I am Satan's messenger boy!.../My argument is not wi
AndJudyforgets or ignores John 5:18 - a conclusion of the Apostle John that being the Son of God made one equal to God.
JD-Original Message-From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:19:05 -0800Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's
nts than the obvious contradictions of the Bom, PoGP, and
DC.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Of course He is God always was God and if you do not think He is God you will DIE IN YOUR SINS Jesus said so. JN 8:24 if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it
DAVEH: Do you believe Jesus is currently fully God? I'm
rather interested in knowing when you think Jesus became fully God,
Judy. My reason for asking is because I'd like to know if you think
there is (or was) ever a time when one could view the face of Jesus and
live, rather than die IF they
THEREFORE as you can see, the Father is
NOT FLESH BLOOD
DAVEH: ??? Huh!?!?!?! Who said anything about the Father being FLESH BLOOD??? Why do
you make this stuff up, Kevin?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Of course He is God always was God and if you do not think He is
God you will DIE IN YOUR
If he is a MAN what is that man made of? Gingerbread?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THEREFORE as you can see, the Father is NOT FLESH BLOODDAVEH: ??? Huh!?!?!?! Who said anything about the Father being FLESH BLOOD??? Why do you make this stuff up, Kevin?Kevin Deegan wrote: Of
t is "without
beginning of days"?
Thank you in advance, Dave, for taking the time to explain this to me.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen
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From: Dave Hansen
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if Moses did not see god's "face" (as "face" described in Exodus on Mt. Sainai, upon w
My second question? If you have no rationalization, just say so instead of
dodging it.
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:14
*on to my
second question*...how the
mormon god, who is "without beginning of days" is also a created being,
thus, with a finite beginning.
DAVEH: I hardly looked at, or even thought about it Perry. If you so
stubbornly deny the obvious message (about Moses seeing God) in the
Bible, to
...it is a
logical matter. Either the mormon god had a beginning or he didn't...Moses
1:3 says he did not...you say he did. Go for it.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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being, thus, with a finite beginning.PerryFrom: Dave Hansen Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the
PoGP!Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:08:07 -0800*I do know that Moses saw something, what god wanted him to see.*DAVEH: I agre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP! Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:08:07 -0800 *I do know that Moses saw something, what god wanted him to see.* DAVEH: I agree, Perry. God wanted him t
being, thus, with a
finite beginning.
Perry
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finite beginning.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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PoGP!
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:08:07 -0800
*I do know that Moses saw something, what god wanted him t
oore wrote:
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if Moses did not see god's "face" (as "face"
described
explain this to me.
Perry
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s, with a
finite beginning.PerryFrom: Dave Hansen Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the
PoGP!Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:08:07 -0800*I
do know that Moses
finite beginning. Perry
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the
PoGP! Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:08:07 -0800 *I do
the time to explain this to me.
Perry
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*I do know that Moses saw something, what god wanted him to see.*
DAVEH: I agree, Perry. God wanted him to see
et is "without beginning of days"?Thank you in advance, Dave, for taking the time to explain this to me.PerryFrom: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and
lives in t
quot; is also a created being, thus, with a finite beginning.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the
PoGP!
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:08:07 -0800
*I do know that Moses saw somethi
, for taking the time to explain this to me.
Perry
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:26:18 -0800
DAVEH: Since you brought up
Why is it that mormons like you, Dave, aren't alarmed by these
contradictions?
DAVEH: Because LDS folks like me don't view them as contradictions,
Perry. Instead, we view your understanding to be in error.
Clearly the Bible does show that man can see God. If you fail to
understand that
Dave,
You have made the statement Clearly the Bible does show that man can see
God. If it so clear, please show me so I can be clear on this, too.
Perry
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Why is it that mormons like you, Dave, aren't alarmed by these
contradictions?*
DAVEH: Because LDS
DAVEH: Since you brought up Moses below, let's look what happened to
him in Ex 33...
[11] And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh
unto his friend.
...At the end of the same chapter, the Lord tells
Moses
[20] And he said, Thou canst not see my face:
Dave,
Moses cannot see God and live in the Bible, but he can in the PoGP!
Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man
see me, and live.
MOS 1:2 And he saw God face to face, and he talked with him, and the glory
of God was upon Moses; therefore Moses could
CPL, CPL, CPL this is why we need a prophet so he can change the scriptures and insert new doctrines to fix problems that exist only in the minds of those that are blinded by the 'god' of THIS WORLD.
October 1880 General Conference of the church, Orson Pratt said: "No man without the Priesthood,
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