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>IMHO.
>
>They are very similar, with hundreds of differences - whether any are
>significant to you depends on where you're coming from and what you want to
>do.
>
>The
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>One thing I miss from the Prime editor is overlay. All you had to do is
>space out to where you wanted to overly the text and overlay with the new
>characters. It w
Of course, if you have PRC and Wintegrate (not just dynamic connect) then Unieditor
can lock (and check out and track) the file you are editing. Just so you know...
>Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:16:46 -0400
>From: Dave Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Andy Moore
Selima Software Ltd.
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From: Brian Leach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 September 2004 11:59
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CVS is free.
WinCVS is free.
TurtleCVS (integrates with Windows Explorer and Apache) is free.
Dennis Bartlett wrote:
You can afford a version control system?
???
CVS + winCVS are gnulicensed
thus cost only installation and learning time
i.e. as close to free as you can come.:-)
I think you can find them on sourceforge.net
-- mats
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CVS is free.
WinCVS is free.
TurtleCVS (integrates with Windows Explorer and Apache) is free.
PRC isn't, but I've heard good things about it...
...th
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You can afford a version control system?
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You can afford a version control system?
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Surely you use a version control system in a multi-programmer
Please post follow-ups to the "U2-Community" list.
The two primary authorities on the origin
of the letters "NT" are Dave Cutler
and Mark Lucovsky.
Dave Cutler has confirmed the "WNT" = "VMS incremented"
urban legend, but Cutler's confirmation isn't very
credible, and is probably one of his noted
Gang,
Shall we move this to the Community board?
- Charles Barouch, Moderator
Bruce Nichol wrote:
> Goo'day,
>
> IIRC, isn't there a "HAL" document as part of Win NT4 documentation -
> "Hardware Acceptance Layer" - something to do with hardware and
> peripherals that'll work in
That'd be the "Hardware Abstraction Layer"
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Goo'day,
IIRC
Goo'day,
IIRC, isn't there a "HAL" document as part of Win NT4 documentation -
"Hardware Acceptance Layer" - something to do with hardware and
peripherals that'll work in the NT4 environment.?
More spooky!
At 13:23 28/09/04, you wrote:
Stuart Boydell wrote:
shift one letter to the right
Stuart Boydell wrote:
shift one letter to the right:
HAL -> IBM (2001 Space Odessey)
VMS -> WNT (Windows NT)
...even the name is unoriginal.
Heh hehe.
Spooky!
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> You're right about this. My Sister worked pretty extensively with the
> internals of VMS and she said when she looked at the code of NT
> she said it was very close to copyright infringement.
shift one letter to the right:
HAL -> IBM (2001 Space Odessey)
VMS -> WNT (Windows NT)
...even the na
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You're right about this. My Sister worked pretty extensively with the
internals of VMS and she said when she looked at the code of NT she said it
was very close to copyright infringement.
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was that UniData was already runnin
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> > -Or
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> > -Or
I wrote:
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> From: Rosenberg Ben
> UniVerse BASIC does have some ULT features (for example,
> ULT EXECUTE syntax) which are missing from UniVerse BASIC.
Oops.
I meant to say that UniVerse BASIC has some ULT features
that are missing from *** UniData UniBASIC ***.
Surely you use a version control system in a multi-programmer
environment?
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Gordon Glorfield
Gordon Glorfield wrote:
I absolutely hate AE. Come on folks, can we please join the rest of the
human race in the 21st century? The eighties are over. Even back then I
felt the old Jet editor was better than ED/AE.
Now, in the 21st century, I use the UniDebugger exclusively for both coding
an
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www.tincat-group.com
Take and give some delight today.
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Piers Angliss wrote:
>IMHO.
>
>They are very similar, with hundreds of differences - whether any are
>significant to you depends on where you're coming from and what you want to
>do.
>
>Where are yo
Bob,
"Why two different products? What's the difference?"
The reason for two products is historical. UniVerse and UniData were
originally developed by different companies. They used to compete for
the same market share. In a practical sense, the difference I've seen is
that UniData tends to be
ubject: Re: [U2] Comparison Unidata and Universe
I didn't voice my opinion earlier because I know this list has a lot of
developers with more experience in both than I do, but here goes...
One of the most critical elements in the MV market has been cross-system
compatibility. Companies have inv
Piers Angliss wrote:
>IMHO.
>
>They are very similar, with hundreds of differences - whether any are
>significant to you depends on where you're coming from and what you want to
>do.
>
>Where are you coming from and where do you wish to go
>
We are running AIX/D3 right now.
The question h
I didn't voice my opinion earlier because I know this list has a lot of
developers with more experience in both than I do, but here goes...
One of the most critical elements in the MV market has been cross-system
compatibility. Companies have invested in systems and like what they've
got -- t
IMHO.
They are very similar, with hundreds of differences - whether any are
significant to you depends on where you're coming from and what you want to
do.
They are both M/value (Pick-like, post-relational, NFNN ...) multi-user
databases running on *nix or Windows servers.
They have an embed
>Yes, it does. But we've strayed considerably from my original question
>which was:
It sure has 'strayed considerably' !!
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Since this thread seems to be going on forever..
Yes, it does. But we've strayed considerably from my original question
which was:
What's the difference between UniVerse and UniData?
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As a system administrator, my choice is to use vi for my UNIX/AIX duties,
but
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As a system administrator, my choice is to use vi for my UNIX/AIX duties,
but I find it's quite a useful tool for program editing too. In fact, I'm
the only one in our
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As a system administrator, my choice is to use vi for my UNIX/AIX duties,
but I find it's quite a useful tool for program editing too. In
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As a system administrator, my choice is to use vi for my UNIX/AIX duties,
but I find it's quite a useful tool for program editing too. In fact, I'm
the
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Adrian Matthews wrote:
> Does anyone actually use the editor for cutting code these days though?
>
A
I second VI-Improved (vim, gvim, etc.) as a free download. I've
installed in on my RS/6000, too. The syntax hi-lighting is awesome and
customizable. But for me, one of the most awesome features is its
'many-level' undo.
For those interested in a few basics of vi, I wrote a white-paper
entitled 'Co
Adrian Matthews wrote:
Does anyone actually use the editor for cutting code these days though?
Absolutely! From what I've seen, most folks who take the time to learn
vi will never go back.
The only thing AE is good for is macro-fixing savedlists of records,
IMHO. It really astonishes me that fol
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> Does anyone actually use the editor for cutting code these
>
Adrian Matthews wrote:
Does anyone actually use the editor for cutting code these days though?
I've been using full screen GUI editors for years now. I think I'd pull
my hair out going back.
Eight hours a day five days a week.
Of course, I use vi at home, too. By choice.
Regards,
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Goo'day.
Talking of "freebie" U2 editors, wot about "UniEditor" from Martin Scholl?
http://www.martinscholl.com/
Very pretty...
At 11:47 18/09/04, you wrote:
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> Tony which of the below are freeware?
I'm surprised you asked, but the only freeware editor below is from
mvtools.
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Kevin King Wrote:
>If the S/A is
>paranoid
Kevin King Wrote:
>If the S/A is
>paranoid and won't open up ftp access, and there are no other good
>transfer tools available, it's easier to open up AE and make a couple
>of minor changes
Yes, that's when I use my full page editor written in U2. All the comforts
of a windows based editor, but w
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As for editors, I have long used a pc based editor (CodeWright) with
the UniVerse source I manage. No need to play around with the line
editor. Most
As for editors, I have long used a pc based editor (CodeWright) with the UniVerse
source I manage. No need to play around with the line editor. Most any full screen
editor can be linked up to UniVerse as long as your source code is kept in type 19
files. If you want a great free solution, dow
September 2004 22:10
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I know this is probably not the highest on others lists, but the UniData
editor is like god next to the pitiful excuse of an editor that UniVerse
provides. I don't understand why IBM doesn't releas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Tony which of the below are freeware?
I'm surprised you asked, but the only freeware editor below is from
mvtools.net. I hope I didn't imply otherwise.
[Moderator-friendly snippage]
> wED from AccuTerm: http://www.asent.com
> mvToolbox http://mvtoolbox.com/
> RED, CRED
Although I have used UniVerse more that UniData, I believe that the ODBC
connections and SQL is easier on UniVerse than UniData, this probably is due
to Datastage development. UniVerse also has an authorization statement in
BASIC which allows a program to run at a higher security level than the us
Tony which of the below are freeware?
"As far as editors go, there are third-party products which have been ported
cross-platform. In my opinion, anything is better than ED or AE once you've
used a real editor.
- My personal favorite for simple editing is wED, which is the Windows
EDitor built in
Robert Paterson wrote:
In the latest releases UV has the AE editor - so you can have the best of
all worlds...
The problem with the comparisons is that it all depends on how you are using
D3 now and more importantly which elements are "make or break".
Everyone's shopping list is different. If you g
Robert Paterson wrote:
> In the latest releases UV has the AE editor - so you can have the
> best of all worlds...
Dick Kryka wrote:
> I know this is probably not the highest on others lists, but the
> UniData editor is like god next to the pitiful excuse of an editor
> that UniVerse provides.
A
aused by
software viruses.
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I know this is probably not the highest on others lists, but the U
George Smith wrote:
Unidata vs Universe.
I have wondered about this myself. It'd be even better for me if
someone with jBASE experience could compare the three products also.
Bob Little
Graphik Dimensions, Ltd.
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I know this is probably not the highest on others lists, but the UniData
editor is like god next to the pitiful excuse of an editor that UniVerse
provides. I don't understand why IBM doesn't release the UniData editor
with UniVerse and do away with the UniVerse version.
In addition, the UniData d
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