From: Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Let us stop this thread.
Scott Kane wrote:
OK. I agree. But as a final note it's important I make one observation
about my own response. Simply put I should not have written what I wrote
and apologize without reservation to both Bob and the list.
A few of my hopes:
1. Rev have committed themselves to substantiating their support for
Linux which began about 2 years ago. Quite right. No self-respecting RAD
programming system can do without it nowadays. I hope that release 2.9
that is planned to actualize Linux is the best release ever.
Andre wrote:
If you'd follow a word of advise from the youngest one in here (I guess I am
the younger) then:
1 - first, apologize to the people you quote
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No chance. Somebody had to do something.
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Scott:
You are obviously very upset. There is no way I could have anticipated
your special sensitivity to the word schizophrenic. I meant it in the
sense defined by Bateson.
I still mean it in the sense defined by Bateson. Such mechanisms are
common in normal problematic situations.
Bob
My Last Post is no longer available for you to look at. However, some
of you might remember the following sentence:
But in the light of this news, I decided to buy a Mac Mini for the
purpose of testing the revBrowser functions, and RR conceded a free
Studio licence for Mac instead of giving
Dear Colleagues,
My last post to this UR-List is a bit long, so I have made it available at:
http://www.howsoft.com/last_post/
Regards to you all,
Bob
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I said:
I would suggest that the best way of offsetting the costs incurred by
really adequate bug prevention is to involve the users in the production
process.
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For those who don't know how this is done by Ubuntu, I'd just like to
make it
Andre wrote:
Bob:
we have order and we have progress... runrev is on a nice, orderly
position in the 2.8.x series and have a clear roadmap to progress...
again, what do you want from open source that can't be achieved by
closed source?
Andre
Some of you may have had the interest to read an article I wrote which
can be found at: http://www.bobsite.org/brazil/ .
Early in the article, there is a classical design from Gestalt
Psychology (the psychology of perception) that can be seen either as a
nice young woman or as an ugly old
1. I should have said that care in both reading AND WRITING is necessary.
2. For an ugly old woman interpretation of what I said, the whole
register of what I was saying needs to be changed: i.e. what is really a
proposal for the future needs to be misinterpreted as a description of
the
Chipp wrote:
Updating Rev each time a bug fix is made, could be a dicey proposition, as
typcially after a bug is fixed, there still should be unit testing, then
more inside testing, then beta testing, then rc testing, etc. to make sure
fixing the bug didn't break other stuff. I think Rev has
Chipp:
What I didn't mention about Ubuntu's procedure is the following. It
after release they find significant bugs, they correct them in a new
bugfix version, submitted to the normal procedures of global testing.
However, it is the exception rather than the rule. This is NOT what I
n 10 Jun 2007, at 9:40, Bob Warren wrote:
Sorry, I realize this is not the place to discuss (even relevant)
psychology really, but I was disappointed by what happened.
Bob
Luis wrote:
I wouldn't be. You have evolved/moved forward. That's a gain in my
books.
Cheers,
Luis
of
(positively) negative comment before I am banned or threatened with
legal action!
etc.
--
Certainly much-appreciated from this end Mike, and thanks for breaking the
silence.
Regards,
Bob (Warren)
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Andre wrote:
I don't understand what are you guys in need of.
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Andre:
Brazil's lemma is Order and Progress I believe?
Of course, I am just speaking for myself.
Regards,
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Thanks Jacque! :-*
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Chipp wrote:
My comments applied to the enhancement request:
I vote against this...(Can I add negative votes?). This functionality can
easily be had via a plugin someone can write in 10 minutes. I think you'll
create more problems (firewall issues, proxy servers, socket timeouts, etc..)
than
As I said, it would be far better to fall short of the ideal in relation
to the Future Glimpse model of RR releases and bugfixing than not to
have a clear model at all, as it seems to be at the moment. I shall
therefore briefly define what my idea of the ideal is, and then guess at
what I
Stephen Barncard wrote:
At 4:12 PM -0300 6/7/07, Bob Warren wrote:
1. RR should provide feature releases on a regular basis. We pay for them.
And we'll be getting them. It's in the roadmap, and Kevin is sticking to
it.
2. We do not pay for bugfixes. The manufacturer is just putting
right
Richard Gaskin wrote:
But even without a formal open source process, Kevin has said that if
someone makes a patcher for the IDE which applies any such changes, they
could easily run it to evaluate them and would consider including them.
-
Bob Warren wrote:
The real reason behind all of this is the fact that I am fascinated by
the vision of a dancing Rev Online icon at the top of my IDE window to
tell me that bug-fix downloads are available! :-D
Richard Gaskin wrote:
So if RunRev added an Automatically Check
Richard Gaskin wrote:
So if RunRev added an Automatically Check for Updates feature to
compliment the the existing Check for Updates menu item, these sorts
of threads would go away? :)
Bob Warren wrote:
They would, they would!
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Request submitted for your voting
OK folks, here's the cure for the crash in the Browser Sampler.rev
stack. It certainly cures it on my Mac Mini, and perhaps it will cure
the fleeting problems that one or two of you have experienced.
In stacks InetBrowser and FlashDemo, there is a card called
browserTest. Go to the last line
Now I've got another little problem with the Browser Sampler.rev stack
on my Mac Mini:
If I make a standalone out of the stack above, NOTHING works, including
simple navigation from one page to another!
OK, it's 12 minutes past 5 in the morning, and I'm going to bed..
Bob
OK, so I found a cure for the functioning of Rev's Browser Sampler
Stack in Rev/Mac 2.8.1 using my Mac Mini.
When I make a standalone, nothing works - even when trying to navigate
from one page to another. But in relation to this, I am prepared to
believe provisionally that this stack is too
Richard Gaskin wrote:
A lot of folks here used to cry out for free bug-fix upgrades, but last
time Rev delivered one they complained it didn't address all of them and
left out too many feature requests. ;)
-
The other day, I put forward a
Huh!
I'm not just getting old, I'm getting blind with it! Would somebody like
to teach me how to read? :-[
I'll put the browserEnsure handler in and let you know how it runs.
Thanks Jacque and Chris.
Bob
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In my limited industrial experience, it is far better to fall short of
an ideal future model that you slowly edging towards than it is to work
in a mess.
Bob
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Just for the record, this displays beeootifully on my Mac Mini.
The standalone works fine (not too heavy).
Add a button and an image called Browser Rect ** to your stack first:
--
CARD SCRIPT:
local sBrowserId =
# Opens the
Kay C Lan wrote:
Have you tried NeoOffice, based on Open Office but without the need to
install X11.
http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php
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Hi Kay, [Is that correct? You put your initials HTH at the end of your post.]
It's 17th October, 2007. Bob goes into his studio and turns on his
Ubuntu computer. As soon as Ubuntu is up and running, a little yellow
icon appears in the top right-hand corner of his screen. He clicks on
it, and Ubuntu tell him that there are some software updates for him to
download. He
Andre Garzia wrote:
Hello Bob,
RevBrowser works with WebKit on the mac and IE engine on windows. It
needs an embedable engine to work, on linux it could use Gecko.
Right now Opera doesn't ship an embedable engine that I know of. You
have opera running on all kinds of machines such as Game
Bob Warren wrote:
Report #5121 http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5121
Attachment #794
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/attachment.cgi?id=794action=edit
I've included the whole log (not very long since it's a new computer).
Jacque wrote:
Thanks for doing that, Bob
Thanks to all those who replied telling me the kinds of Mac Minis they
have. However, that the idea of Mac Mini (Intel or not) is at the root
of my problem was only a hypothesis on my part, and it seems that it is
probably not the cause.
I am using Mac OSX 10.4.9 on an Intel Core Duo 1.83 GHz
Dan Friedman wrote:
Anyone experienced anything like this... I have a client that claims ever
since he upgraded to Office 2007 (on his WindowsXP computer), my application
(a Revolution Standalone) crash when you issue a answer file, answer
folder or ask file command. Perhaps Office 2007 has
Tiemo wrote:
Hmm sounds worrying when such a general thing happens. On the other side I
can't see any connection between the dialogs and office. I would think they
are controlled by XP and not by office? Keep us informed
---
Bill Gates tries to
Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote:
At any rate, you should have a crash log on your Mac in:
~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/Revolution.crash.log
The latest entries are at the bottom. Copy one of the crash entries that
happened when you were trying revBrowser and submit it in a report to
the QA
Jan Schenkel wrote:
I just opened the Browser Sampler stack on my iMac/G5
OSX 10.4.9
- the button on the first screen worked fine
- when I tried to open the PDF example, Rev crashed
I reopened Revolution
- skipped the button on the first card
- the PDF example opened fine now
- the Flash
point, would
somebody else with a Mac Mini be kind enough to try out this stack?
Richard? I believe you have one, don't you?
Thanks,
Bob
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 00:10:22 -0300, Bob Warren wrote:
Bought myself a Mac Mini
YOOHOO!! ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A MAC MINI?
Bob Warren wrote:
With regard to the problem discussed below, I really don't know where
to start in order to help with the diagnosis, except to note that the
said Rev example stack seems to be behaving in a different manner on
different Mac
Tiemo wrote:
Servus Franz,
nice to meet you again. Interesting things you're doing there :)
I am not familiar with shell commands yet, nor perl, but how do you get a
result from the shell execution back into a runrev field feedback?
Tiemo
n Sun, 03 Jun 2007 00:10:22 -0300, Bob Warren wrote:
Bought myself a Mac Mini, Installed 2.8.1, navigated to the Browser
Sampler.rev stack in 2.8.1-gm-1/Resources/Examples, activated stack,
clicked on the Launch Browser button and got an error message
unknown browser id. :'(
Does
Bought myself a Mac Mini, Installed 2.8.1, navigated to the Browser
Sampler.rev stack in 2.8.1-gm-1/Resources/Examples, activated stack,
clicked on the Launch Browser button and got an error message unknown
browser id. :'(
Does it work for anybody else?
Ignoring the error causes a browser
My memory is failing me, and I haven't been following this thread very
closely (I tend to get a bit lost in all this U3 stuff, since I don't
use Windows anymore). Has anyone actually mentioned that Rev/Linux 2.6.1
runs directly from a common pendrive with no problem at all? No setup.
No
For those who have not read it, I would like to recommend once again my
article at:-
http://www.bobsite.org/brazil/
- particularly the early section headed *Alternative Perception and
the examples of simple dialogues where people very easily drive one
another nuts through debate.
The point
Andre:
Thanks for that great complementary story and comments. If ever Brazil
needed a trendy young ambassador, they need look no further. A little
more quebrando o galho and jeitinho is what a lot of people need.
But I'll leave you to explain what they are
Richmond:
As one nutter to
How to install Ubuntu (Feisty Fawn) in OS X using Parallels - a complete
walkthrough
I came across the above article on the Internet the other day, and
thought it might be potentially useful to any Rev colleagues who had not
discovered it:
Colleagues:
I have improved my chooser widgets for Linux.
Full details can be viewed at:
http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/stacks.htm
Briefly:
This version of the widgets (#3.01) should run on most Linux distros.
However, regarding a few small details, special preference has been
given to
. Perhaps other colleagues can help with this. One
solution might be to assemble your own.
Regards,
Bob Warren
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Marty Knapp / Ken Ray wrote:
Thanks Ken,
I appreciate the info on Rev and Vista. So is there a way to tell if
an app is running on Vista as opposed to XP? (Again, I'm using Rev
2.6.1.)
Yes, you check the systemVersion... see the tip at:
Jim Carwardine wrote:
FWIW, this came into my inbox this morning... Jim
http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/04/29/vista_end_dream/
You might like to complement it with a butcher's at this little video:
Chris Bohnert wrote:
Hi Mark,
Glad I could help..
Maybe you can answer a question for me. Does Ubuntu have a nifty package
manager or does it rely on apt-get? Will Ubuntu begin moving to CNR with
the Linspire partnership?
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/108382
This bug has been confirmed, given high priority, and passed on to the
Ubuntu Kernel Team for ASAP treatment.
Bob
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Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) was released on 20th April (only 1 day late).
However, the PS2 mouse on one of my machines no longer works in Feisty,
in spite of the fact that several bug reports were made to Ubuntu in
this respect while this latest version was still in alpha.
In view of the fact
Ironically, line 2 in paragraph 4 of my previous post has a BUG in it! :-[
I should have said you rather than your.
But at least you cannot complain about any delay in fixing it. O:-)
Bob
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When I've got bugs in my drawers, they make me all bitter and twisted
too! :o
Bob
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In general, I am not attempting to do much serious programming until the
new version of Rev/Linux is released. However, amongst other things I
have produced a set of picture/file chooser widgets which require
correction ASAP. Hopefully, these widgets will work satisfactorily under
the new
I wrote:
You might also like to look at the installer used by Xara which is
also very impressive, though this might be their own rather than a
commercially-available installer (I can't quite remember).
--
Richard:
In fact, Xara uses
Richard wrote:
Thanks for the info, Bob. But rather than using an existing installer
I'm aiming to write my own. So what I'm looking for is info on what each
of the window managers (KDE, Gnome -- other popular ones?) requires for
an app to: - Set up document file type associations - Assign
I can't give you any details, but I might have a tip that leads you in
the right direction. This year, for the first time, my wife did our
income tax declarations using Linux, and as you know, Linux has been
officially adopted by the Brazilian government. The software was
installed using
Richard wrote:
I'll be making my first ports to Linux this year, and I use my own
custom installer for Mac and Win and am looking to extend that for the
Linux installs as well. On Mac and Win it's expected that an installer
will take care of putting any files in the appropriate places,
Anyone like to visit my site?
http://www.howsoft.com
:-P
Bob
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Chipp wrote at
http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number6/default.htm :
You can now SuckUp a binary file, then SpitOut it.
Definitely non-schismogenetic and therefore recommended!
It might even work in Linux too!
Bob
Phil wrote:
Hi Bob, Charles,
Rather than putting an RTF file into a field, I would put it into a custom
property. That way you don't have any risk of it being changed to conform to any
requirements the field might place on it to make it displayable (even though the
field is hidden).
If
Charles Szasz wrote:
How do you hide a nonRev file in a Windows Standalone? I have a RTF
template that I want to hide so it won't be corrupted by the user.
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Hi Charles,
Why not just put it into a hidden field in your stack? You can then do what you
Chipp wrote:
Bob,
Nice post. Where'd you find schismogenetically ?? ;-)
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Thanks. I made it up, of course. I knew you would be impressed.
Seriously, it is a term coined by Gregory Bateson, one of the not-totally-recognized
geniuses of last
Peter wrote:
[A whole lot of fantastic stuff]
-
Wow! Thanks for that, Peter. Perhaps in another 5 years or so, I'll know
half of what you know about Linux. Now that the Linux ball has begun to
roll in Rev, people like me need people
Marielle wrote:
About my previous email, please, if possible, ignore it. This was
stupid most stupid of me to write this on the list.
A wish I had expressed was to keep away from the lists and runrev
business for 2 months as I needed to focus on other projects. As I
was in an unstable
All the best families have their occasional punchups, and in fact
without them, they wouldn't be the best families. They just have to stop
well short of murder, that's all, and that's obvious. I haven't seen
anything on the UR-List that approaches murder for a long time now.
There is such a
Richard wrote:
My apologies if I'd pushed a button,
--
Absolutely none necessary: it was nothing more than a slight philosophical difference in
relation to your creatively provocative statements about Linux and Microsoft.
We both made it positive, because
Jacque wrote:
Bob badgered me into installing Ubuntu. He made some persuasive points
about tech support needing to run the OS (others on the team already do
use Linux, but I'm first tier and should have been.) I'd been meaning to
take the step for ages but didn't do it until he got pushy
Andre wrote:
Hi Folks,
I've been silent but is just because I am busy, I am pleased to
announce that since last week I am now a Computer Science student. I
am about to graduate on the film school as a BA, looking to the
future, I see that having a degree onm CS will be important for me,
If anyone really has the patience (not me), Ubuntu themselves provide
instructions for installing the operating system on a USB pendrive at:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
Bob
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If you would like Ubuntu on a pendrive, there's no need to install it
yourself. You can get one (1GB) for $31.99 at:
http://store.madtux.org/product_info.php?products_id=252osCsid=36ecf0
Bob
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Richmond Mathewson wrote:
Sorry, Peter, it is Bob Warren who finds Puppy
impressive.
I played around with Puppy about 2 years ago when I
went for Linux and downloaded about 25 different
distros and put an old Pentium 3 through a weekly
reformat until it choked! At the time I
Anybody would think you Mac guys were hard up! Don't you have an old PC
stashed away in a corner somewhere? You might not be able to run Vista
on it, but Ubuntu should give you no trouble.
Bob
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These are my choices, and the reasons for them:
1. Ubuntu (Gnome), because of its importance and popularity, and also
because of its social aspirations.
2. Linspire or Freespire (KDE), because of its impurity regarding
free/open software (i.e. its moderate acceptance of commercialization),
In my last post, I recommended a short article of simple, practical
(layman's) advice for those considering the possibility of trying Linux
(or my favourite, Ubuntu) and Rev/Linux 2.6.1 for the first time.
It has now been properly presented, and you can view it at the following
URL if you are
A few days back I had 2 outstanding Rev/Linux questions that I hadn't
managed to clear up on-List. One of them was elegantly solved by Mark
Wieder. The other did not have an immediate answer:
In Rev Linux 2.6.1, can foreign symbols (with accents) be printed on the
printer or not?
Some
Two other morsels of info about the problem of printing accented
characters from a card in Rev/Linux 2.6.1:
Rev's performance has only been tested using Ubuntu 6.06.1 and Mepis 6.0.1.
Technical Support now have an Ubuntu computer available, so queries to
them about Rev/Linux (or at least
Don Jungk wrote:
Hi Bob,
OK, your PS file does have accented characters in it. It appears they are just
in the wrong place. This code that I will paste in here is something I use
when I have to re-encode a Macintosh font to work on my Linux computer. This
should be put after all of the
Bob Warren wrote:
In my last post, I recommended a short article of simple, practical
(layman's) advice for those considering the possibility of trying Linux
(or my favourite, Ubuntu) and Rev/Linux 2.6.1 for the first time.
It has now been properly presented, and you can view
Sorry about that last enormous post under this thread which has polluted
the list and is out of sequence.
It was held up by the moderator because it was a little over the maximum
length allowed for the UR-List, but now it seems that it has finally
been released! Way back, I substituted it
I have written a short article of simple, practical (layman's) advice
for those considering the possibility of trying Linux (or my favourite,
Ubuntu) and Rev/Linux 2.6.1 for the first time.
Although it is short, it was a bit big to display directly on the
UR-List, so I have uploaded it to my
Sarah Reichelt wrote:
I want the user to be able to drag the mouse around
Mouse messages while down: SQUEAK! (poor thing)
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about yourself simply by copying Rev/Linux and my example
project to the Desktop of a running Ubuntu Live CD. It's as simple as
that: no installation of Linux or Rev is necessary. Just a thought...
[I'd just like to see someone do that with Windows!!!]
Bob
Bob Warren wrote:
put the length
Phil Davis wrote:
I haven't been following this thread very closely, but I've used the htmlText to
correctly display Arabic (after reversing the order of the entities). There's
more to it than that, but... If you can manage the display of Arabic using the
htmlText field property, maybe
Don wrote:
If he is opening the ps file in a text editor, he might want to check what
text encoding the editor is using. He probably needs it to be set to
WindowsLatin1 or Western European 8859-1 or Western European 1250. These all
seem to work for me, but his system and printer may be
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Like all flash memory devices, flash drives can sustain only
a limited number of write and erase cycles before failure.
Mid-range flash drives under normal conditions will support
several hundred thousand cycles, although write operations
will gradually slow as the
Mark Wieder wrote:
Bob-
Wednesday, March 14, 2007, 8:48:42 AM, you wrote:
In fact, it is not necessary to expose your password when accessing a
network drive in Linux. I cut this out of Mark's suggested command line.
On my network/machines, the following worked perfectly:
put smbclient
This is the text in Portuguese that was contained by the field of my
test program that produced an incorrect PS file. I hope it displays OK here!
Bob
bom ar [1]
bom-bril [1]
carvão [1]
desinfetante [1]
desodorante [1]
detergente [1]
esponja [1]
Finish
Don:
Although I am pushed for time today, I couldn't resist trying to carry
out your suggestion immediately. I followed your instructions as best I
could, but the result was a PS file that still didn't display in the
Evince utility.
However, since I have sent the whole original PS file
Your mail to 'use-revolution' with the subject
Re: Linux-specific technical problems
Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
The reason it is being held:
Message body is too big: 15832 bytes with a limit of 15 KB
Mark Wieder wrote:
Bob- Wednesday, March 14, 2007, 7:02:10 AM, you wrote:
So if mount isn't a valid command, somebody had better tell smbclient!
Possibly, smbclient -? for the available options is out of date.
Well, smbclient on my Ubuntu installation happily ignores mount as
well. Or
Don Jungk wrote:
Hi Bob,
I just realized there is an easier way that should work for you.
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Phew! Thank God for that. Perhaps Jacque can give me a little of the brain
surgery I need, then I'll try again later.
Thanks for now.
Bob
In case my previous post does not get through the moderator on account
of its length, here is the first part of it again with a link to the PS
file in question:
Don Jungk wrote:
Hi Bob,
OK, your PS file does have accented characters in it. It appears
they are just in the wrong place.
Jacque:
Please see my answers below.
Bob Warren wrote:
Jacque:
I have just made another little test program so that I can type into the
field. My wife's Ubuntu is in Portuguese, and she has an ABNT keyboard.
Of course, when she uses any program other than Rev (Word, Text Editor
Mark Wieder wrote:
Well, for one, mount doesn't appear to be a valid command to
smbclient. You should try this in a shell window first, get it
working, then try it from rev. My guess is you'll also have to put
username%password info into the commandline as well. Try smbclient -?
for the
In fact, it is not necessary to expose your password when accessing a
network drive in Linux. I cut this out of Mark's suggested command line.
On my network/machines, the following worked perfectly:
put smbclient john\\c -Wmshome -cdir into procToDo
put shell(procToDo) into field test
Bob
Sorry to pollute the UR-List with tidbits of info - I'll stop now.
In Ubuntu, as I said, if you don't specify a password in the command
line for accessing a network drive, it still works. But note the
Password: at the beginning of the report:
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