[us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-14 Thread Dan Poirier
Mohammed obaidan writes: > Hi,I was searching the internet for a GUI tool for configuring the > Apache httpd server. I found two commercial tools but no open source > ones. So I am going to develop an open source software using java for > configuring and maybe administrating Apache httpd server.

[us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-14 Thread Dan Poirier
Bogdan Cristea writes: > On Saturday 14 February 2009 14:04:34 Mohammed obaidan wrote: >> I was searching the internet for a GUI tool for configuring the Apache >> httpd server. > openSuSE has a GUI for Apache configuration called from their system > management tool: yast2. I guess that other d

[us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-14 Thread Dan Poirier
Mohammed obaidan writes: > I will take a look at webmin. Also I am considering making the > software for windows and Linux so if a certain linux distribution has > its own configuration tool that will not be considered as a portable > tool for configuring Apache. Don't forget Mac, Solaris, etc.

[us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-16 Thread Mohammed obaidan
Hi, I think I found what I am looking for. Here is a list of such software 1. Apache Console 2. Netloony 3. Webmin (Already mentioned) I got these software from this webpage

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-14 Thread Mohammed obaidan
I will take a look at webmin. Also I am considering making the software for windows and Linux so if a certain linux distribution has its own configuration tool that will not be considered as a portable tool for configuring Apache. Also we can expand the project after implementing the main features

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-14 Thread Peter Schober
Just a few thoughts from the top of my head... * Mohammed obaidan [2009-02-14 14:53]: > What I really aiming at is complete portable administration tool for > Apache. I am heading for this goal step by step and the first step is > the GUI for configuring Apache. So you want to write a complete a

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-14 Thread Mohammed obaidan
Hi, OK there are a lot of questions to be answered. Regrading the directives, do not worry about the GUI. The GUI problem is easy to solve and they are many options to tackle this, for example, using a table to show the directives and group similar directives. That is a quick solution for it. sinc

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-15 Thread Mohammed obaidan
Hi, I took a look at webmin and it is really amazing and beautiful. However, to install it you need lots of work because it has lots of modules. Regarding the Apache configuration part it is really wonderful. However, I do not think it covers all Apache configurations and it does not have extra too

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-15 Thread André Warnier
Mohammed obaidan wrote: [...] My grain of salt : It is your time you will be spending, and how you spend it is up to you. So I do not want to discuss whether it is a good idea or not, or whether you can or cannot or should or should not do it. This is thus just a personal opinion, to add to the

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-15 Thread Mohammed obaidan
Hi, OK I am really happy with the replies here and really appreciate your opinions and ideas. Since Apache is used on more UNIX machines than Windows machines, it seems that the audience here are Linux users and are willing to edit the file by a text editor without any helping tool. However, in m

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-15 Thread Octavian Râsnita
From: "Mohammed obaidan" I think when a Windows user want a simple web server will go for IIS because it has a GUI. This will affect Apache usage share, though not that much but at least will have an impact. I use Apache under Windows, because I create the programs under Windows then I put th

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-15 Thread Mohammed obaidan
Hi, I read a few about the modules and found out that they are some modules come with Apache distribution here . Others are createds by different people here . I think that the modules that comes with the distribution should be imp

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-15 Thread Norman Peelman
Mohammed obaidan wrote: Hi, OK I am really happy with the replies here and really appreciate your opinions and ideas. Since Apache is used on more UNIX machines than Windows machines, it seems that the audience here are Linux users and are willing to edit the file by a text editor without any h

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-15 Thread Mohammed obaidan
Hi, I will look in that more thoroughly. Thanks On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Norman Peelman wrote: > Mohammed obaidan wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> OK I am really happy with the replies here and really appreciate your >> opinions and ideas. >> >> Since Apache is used on more UNIX machines than Win

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-15 Thread Jim Walls
Mohammed obaidan wrote (in part): Since Apache is used on more UNIX machines than Windows machines, it seems that the audience here are Linux users and are willing to edit the file by a text editor without any helping tool. However, in my point of view, I think when a Windows user want a simple w

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-16 Thread Krist van Besien
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Mohammed obaidan wrote: > Since Apache is used on more UNIX machines than Windows machines, it > seems that the audience here are Linux users and are willing to edit > the file by a text editor without any helping tool. I find the fact that apache is configured

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-16 Thread John Hudak
DITTO!!! In the 'bad old days' of computing, everything was based on a text file. It forces one to really understand what is behind the changes. I for one do not subscribe to the 'dumbing down' of operating systems and certain application via lots of window forms If it were easy, any primate

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-16 Thread Glen Barber
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:40 AM, John Hudak wrote: > DITTO!!! > In the 'bad old days' of computing, everything was based on a text file. It > forces one to really understand what is behind the changes. I for one do > not subscribe to the 'dumbing down' of operating systems and certain > applica

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-16 Thread Peter Schober
* Glen Barber [2009-02-16 18:10]: > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:40 AM, John Hudak wrote: > > DITTO!!! > > In the 'bad old days' of computing, everything was based on a text file. It > > forces one to really understand what is behind the changes. I for one do > > not subscribe to the 'dumbing dow

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-16 Thread Krist van Besien
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Peter Schober wrote: > It's certainly not for me. But other than stating the reasons why I > think this is not practical and helpful in the real world, why should > I try to convice others to /not/ write duch a thing? Because "some > things should not be easy"?

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-16 Thread Octavian Râsnita
with what Ruby on Rails can do, without reaching to know how more things Catalyst framework can. Octavian - Original Message - From: "Krist van Besien" To: Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing h

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-16 Thread John Hudak
I apologize...I didn't mean to hijack this thread by stating a personal perception. Should have confined my comments to technical contributions. I guess my point is that in designing any interface, one must consider the complexities (e.g. the numerous interactions possible with the variables) of t

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-16 Thread Mohammed obaidan
Hi, Apache is not for web server admins. what about developers? What about home servers? What about users that needs a certain web application on their intranet? do they need to be web server admins to use Apache? certainly not. Most of the posts here suggests that people here are Apache admins a

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-16 Thread Sean Conner
It was thus said that the Great Mohammed obaidan once stated: > Hi, > > Apache is not for web server admins. what about developers? What about home > servers? What about users that needs a certain web application on their > intranet? do they need to be web server admins to use Apache? certainly no

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-16 Thread Mohammed obaidan
Hi, Wow that is a very technical and helpful post. I think the tool should be flexible Because Apache is flexible. Regarding maintaining a web server with multiple configuration, I think the tool should handle every configuration as a separate item. This will ease things. Regarding that some con

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-16 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Mohammed obaidan" > Apache is not for web server admins. what about developers? What about home > servers? What about users that needs a certain web application on their > intranet? do they need to be web server admins to use Apache? certainly not. I am not an Apache admin, but a developer

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-17 Thread André Warnier
Peter Schober wrote: * Glen Barber [2009-02-16 18:10]: On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:40 AM, John Hudak wrote: DITTO!!! In the 'bad old days' of computing, everything was based on a text file. It forces one to really understand what is behind the changes. I for one do not subscribe to the 'dumb

Re: [us...@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

2009-02-17 Thread Tom Evans
On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 07:55 +0300, Mohammed obaidan wrote: > Hi, > > Apache is not for web server admins. what about developers? What about > home servers? What about users that needs a certain web application on > their intranet? do they need to be web server admins to use Apache? > certainly not