Apache NetBeans needs you...

Hi all, We're starting the final stage before the official first release of Apache NetBeans. Now is the time to get involved. Now is the time to test features and raise issues -- not afterwards, when it is too late, but now. There are hundreds of people on this mailing list. Could you spare at

Re: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion

I expected that to be an option either in the "Code Completion" section or maybe the "Formatter" section for JavaDocs. Btw: The fully qualified path is not necessary in the JavaDocs if that class is already imported. The class names in the JavaDocs share the same "visibility" rules as regular

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

I would love to but I just don't have the necessary knowledge and skills to do a good job at it. If we had a piggy bank, it would come in handy to pay for skills when contributors are running low though, surely? Original Message Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!From: Geertjan Wielen

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Nope. That excuse does not compute. :-) When you participate in NetCAT, you get step by step instructions for what to test, how, and where. We don’t want your money, we want your time. Gj On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, ashtonho...@ymail.com wrote: > I would love to but I just don't have the nece

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

What if my time is more productive elsewhere? I think there's an element of assigning the right people to the right jobs. I have more money than time at the moment, that's all I can offer. On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 09:57:25 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: Nope. That excuse does not co

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Hi, Sometimes a project need time more than money. And receiving money takes time! (Somebody needs to manage the money + any legal around it, somebody need to hire the testers and managed them, etc...) Jean-Michel On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, at 10:32, Ashton Hogan wrote: > > What if my time is more prod

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

True Jean-Michel, I understand NetBeans has a different business structure to competitors as well though so it's not as easy. So you think it's impossible? On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 10:38:34 GMT, wrote: Hi, Sometimes a project need time more than money. And receiving money takes time

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

All the time you have now spent in this discussion, which is clearly not going to end with anyone spending the time to take your money, you could have spent on signing up to the NetCAT process and then following step by step instructions -- that don't require any special knowledge -- to help prepar

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Maybe you're right. I must say, based on my research, I truly believed commercial activity to be the answer to revive NetBeans. Capitalism always outperforms socialism in prosperity so why wouldn't capital work for NetBeans? Sorry to hear that this won't work for NetBeans, I tried to help!

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Ashton What i think people are saying is, they appreciate your offer of helping financially but at this stage, in the migration to Apache, the focus is getting the first release out for which the netcat process is key. Once netbeans is more established in Apache i am sure suggestions like this co

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Nope. No one has said that there will not be commercial activity around NetBeans. In fact, very explicitly it's been pointed out that such a thing may happen -- and in fact there's even the start of commercial support page on netbeans.apache.org: https://netbeans.apache.org/help/commercial-support.

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Peter Steele wrote: > > > Keep up your enthusiasm 😀 If you have time, contribute, if not then you > will need to wait patiently for the first version. > I would go a bit further than that and say that if, after Apache NetBeans is released, and you find all kinds

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

I've also tried begging for contributions, it got me nowhere, I eventually just settled for paying for them instead which moved me forward way quicker... this is just my personal experience, I can't speak for everyone and I'm humbled by the development of the IDE that is NetBeans. On Wednes

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Hi, On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ashton Hogan wrote: > ...I've also tried begging for contributions, it got me nowhere, I eventually > just settled >for paying for them instead which moved me forward way quicker... this is just >my > personal experience... Paying people to contribute to Ap

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Thanks Bertrand. I don't really participate in too many mailing lists to be honest. Every time I do, it seems to end with me being too lazy to understand other peoples ideas so I just tend to turn them down... I understand the Apache policy and I think it's really unfortunate. I've seen so many

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Hi, On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Ashton Hogan wrote: > ...I understand the Apache policy and I think it's really unfortunate. I've > seen so many apache projects die out over the years, probably due to this > policy... The Apache model is not for all projects but you might have missed *a few*

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Ashton, OK, feel free to go ahead and start a new thread about setting up something similar to tomitribe.com. Starting that discussion would be a great contribution -- at some point and, sure, why not start that discussion now, such an entity might be useful. However, for setting up that entity

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Yes, I know, I work for these companies myself and I use a lot of apache dependencies. What I mean is that many of these GOOD projects die out not because they're useless but because they become dormant On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 12:07:15 GMT, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Hi, On Wed,

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

So, pitch in and get involved and NetBeans won't become dormant. This is the end of this thread for me. :-) Gj On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Ashton Hogan wrote: > Yes, I know, I work for these companies myself and I use a lot of apache > dependencies. What I mean is that many of these GOOD p

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 10:48 Ashton Hogan wrote: > I must say, based on my research, I truly believed commercial activity to > be the answer to revive NetBeans. Capitalism always outperforms socialism > in prosperity so why wouldn't capital work for NetBeans? > Nothing much to add to what others

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Neil C Smith wrote: > ...Are there any thoughts / info about using something like > Bountysource?... I don't know much about Bountysource but from the ASF's side, as long as the ASF has nothing to do with the money, contributions go through the usual PMC vetting, t

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Bountysource is closing down because it was a failed business, it's been bought out by CanYa On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 13:01:20 GMT, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Neil C Smith wrote: > ...Are there any thoughts / info about using something like > Bountys

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 13:05 Ashton Hogan wrote: > Bountysource is closing down because it was a failed business, it's been > bought out by CanYa > My reading of that is that it *was* closing down as a (semi) failed business, but that CanYa are now investing in it. I was slightly surprised seein

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

BountySource failed for a reason, if I told you the reason, you'd just argue with me... I think you might be over-complicating things a bit, look at your competitor, intellij, they're winning because they're embracing capitalism and prosperity. They use licenses to profit and it's WORKING! Sim

How do you prioritize tasks

I am just curious, how do you prioritize stories in JIRA? Lot of people may create bugs, features requests and set it has high priority to get there specific case/request solved. What if some one has a feature request, which not benefit the majority of users, but only make the ide more complex

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Just note that Apache projects do not compete with anyone or anything. They exist to serve a community. That's what Apache NetBeans is all about, providing software development features to serve those who want to make use of them. As an Apache project we are explicitly not in competition with anyth

Re: How do you prioritize tasks

There are no main architects, there are no main anythings. We are all in this together and decide together what the priorities are. Those working on NetCAT (netbeans.apache.org/participate/netcat.html) will come with a proposal on which issues to be fixed for a specific release and through discussi

Re: Java EE version support

My Tomcat server is 8.5.23 On Tue, 2018-03-06 at 16:03 +, Peter Steele wrote: > You need tomcat 8/9 for servlet 3.1 support which is what j2ee 7 > provides > > On 6 Mar 2018 15:58, "Geertjan Wielenga" l.com> wrote: > > There's a pretty big difference between Java 8 and Java EE 8... > > > >

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...That's what Apache NetBeans is all about, > providing software development features to serve those who want to make use > of them... And that use might include making money with NetBeans - consulting, training, selling specific plugins

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

In theory yes but in practice as soon as someone comes along and uses a license, they grow and apache dies. Who wants to do business with dying dependencies? Answer: NO ONE On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 13:44:47 GMT, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Geertjan Wi

Re: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion

I'm not sure why there should be an option here, instead of always inserting the non-qualified name for imported names. There is no option for inserting fully qualified names in regular Java code either. IMHO the javadoc code completion should just work the same way as the code completion in regula

Re: How do you prioritize tasks

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 13:38 Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > There are no main architects, there are no main anythings. We are all in > this together and decide together what the priorities are. > We do IMO currently have an issue in lacking a canonical (main) place

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Ashton Hogan wrote: ... look at your competitor, intellij, they're winning because they're embracing capitalism and prosperity. They use licenses to profit and it's WORKING! Simple as that. Follow the policy and die or embrace capitalism and stick around. Truth hurts. I think it's best

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Many good points Joe. I want NetBeans to stick around, it's better for everyone if there are more options otherwise we're all forced to use "the monopoly" in the market. I think capitalism has worked great for Windows, look how many more software options you have compared to on Linux. Sure, the

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Hi, Ashton. If you'd like to contribute money to support NetBeans development, one way might be to purchase the time of an individual NetBeans developer or contracting firm. Maybe send an email on the d...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org mailing list saying "I am willing to pay $X to have issue n

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Hi Eirik As mentioned earlier, I wouldn't do this because it's a form of donation and donations don't scale because unlike a license, no one is forced to pay up. Meaning that my contribution will feel like it has no impact and ultimately a waste of money. A license is a collective agreement am

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Ashton Hogan wrote: PS: I'm aware that I'm probably on the wrong mailing list right now I don't think so, specially since you started off with this: > I want NetBeans to stick around... Joe1962 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: use

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 15:08 José J. Rodriguez wrote: > Anyway, it seems to me that "capitalism" has actually proven not to be a > good role model for software development, see Windows bugs and backdoors > vs. Linux security, > I realise you put it in quotation marks, but can we please stop perpe

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Hey Neil, a small suggestion, don't tell everyone that their freedom of speech is not allowed here and then also "welcome it" in the same paragraph. No one's interested in staying within your little box and waiting for you to give them a permission slip to have an idea. Non-commercial doesn't h

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Ashton, Please tone down the aggression a little bit. No one is saying that freedom of speech is not allowed here. Yes, with Apache NetBeans, like any other Apache project, you're allowed to do whatever the Apache license allows you to do. Can we all get along? :-) Now, let's focus on getting A

Re: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion

Please add your comments to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-447 Thank you, Gili On 2018-03-07 3:51 AM, Thomas Kellerer wrote: I expected that to be an option either in the "Code Completion" section or maybe the "Formatter" section for JavaDocs. Btw: The fully qualified path is

Re: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion

PSA: Please move discussion over to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-447 :) Thank you, Gili On 2018-03-07 9:48 AM, Niklas Matthies wrote: I'm not sure why there should be an option here, instead of always inserting the non-qualified name for imported names. There is no option for

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Neil C Smith wrote: On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 at 15:08 José J. Rodriguez mailto:jose.rodrig...@cenpalab.cu>> wrote: Anyway, it seems to me that "capitalism" has actually proven not to be a good role model for software development, see Windows bugs and backdoors vs. Linux security, I r

Can't create a new project in NB 8.2

I am trying to create new Maven Web project. Filled out all fields in the dialog box but then I am getting the following: Scanning for projects... Downloading: http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-deploy-plugin/2.7/maven-deploy-plugin-2.7.pom Failed to retrieve plugi

Re: Using Maven Web Apps with Netbeans 9 BETA

Il mer 7 mar 2018, 00:35 John Muczynski ha scritto: > Hi Enrico, > > The module interfaces and update sites have the same apis in both 8.2 and > 9.0 so ... > just connect your 9.0 to an update site for NetBeans 8.2 and away you go. > It is working! Thank you Enrico > > Kind Regards, > Johnny > I

Re: Can't create a new project in NB 8.2

Hi Gary, I just tried it there, created a new project in NetBeans 8.2 (Maven -> Web Application) and didn't have any issues. Have you tried the command line, i.e. creating the project using a Maven archetype? $ mvn archetype:generate -DgroupId={project-packaging} -DartifactId={project-name} -Dar

RE: Can't create a new project in NB 8.2

Just tried it and got same errors. From: John McDonnell [mailto:mcdonnell.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:34 AM To: Greenberg, Gary Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Can't create a new project in NB 8.2 Hi Gary, I just tried it there, created a new project i

Re: Disabling fully qualified class names in JavDoc completion

Done. I also created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-452. Niklas On Wed 2018-03-07 at 12:30h, cowwoc wrote on users: > PSA: Please move discussion over to > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-447 :) > > Thank you, > Gili > > On 2018-03-07 9:48 AM, Niklas Matthies wrot

Re: Apache NetBeans needs you...

Being recently retired I have some time on my hands. I am not an expert at anything but if somebody wants to hold my hand and tell me what to do -- I'll try. I've used the GUI builder substantially in the past but have moved on to FX for my apps. I need to learn how Maven works -- it's a big my

Re: Apache NetBeans needs you...

Excellent. Click the link st the start of ths thread and join the NetCAT program. I’ve now heard from several people who’re concerned they’re not skilled enough to participate in NetCAT. Please put that concern aside. You’ll join a NetCAT tribe, based on your feature of choice in NetBeans, and the

Re: Apache NetBeans needs you...

I'm currently in Seattle working on a contract accounting project but when I get home Friday I'll join NetCAT. Any particular area of need? I'll be using Linux. On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Excellent. Click the link st the sta

RE: Can't create a new project in NB 8.2

I solved the problem by editing proxies section in my C:\Program Files\NetBeans\8.2\java\maven\conf\settings.xml file From: Greenberg, Gary [mailto:ggree...@visa.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:54 AM To: John McDonnell Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: Can't create a ne

Re: Apache NetBeans needs you...

Awesome! If you can help with testing the GUI Builder we would actually very much appreciate it. In order to participate we will need your JIRA account, Synergy account, version and distro of your Linux, CPU & RAM configuration, minimal weekly availability and tribe of your choice. See here:

JRE updates and the new development cycle.

This is possibly off topic. Does anyone on this list know how Java.com and the JRE update program will treat the 6 month development cycle planned for Java 10+? Currently neither of these tools is pushing Java 9 to end users yet, and Java 10 will be here soon! I bring this up

incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

Hi, Is this the right list for this question? I'm trying to verify the PGP ASC and KEY file but I get a bad signature message. I'm here: https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb90/nb90-beta.html In Terminal: wget https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/

Re: incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

Would be good if someone would verify this -- when I look at the VOTE thread, the source signatures have been verified: https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/859cbc7d2f4631983e48e24e7c1053439cbebfee133cc9b3745046b4@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E However, quite possibly the convenience binary signat

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

I quite enjoy NetBeans, and I would like to aver my wishes for it's ongoing success. I am looking at contributing to this thread with some hesitation, so I'll put my statements forth, and then see what becomes of what I say before I venture more. Contributing more than "anonymous usage data" is a

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

Owen: I am a currently unemployed software engineer myself. I have been in the industry in various roles for well over 30 years but am not ready to retire. However, I look at my current time of unemployment as an opportunity to pay back to the NetBeans community some of what I have gained from

Re: incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

I got something slightly different... I have a good signature when verifying the .asc file, but when I do an md5 or sha1 check on the zip file I get different results as to whats currently on the website: Johns-MacBook-Pro-2:netbeans_sig_test john$ wget https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incu

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

I've been unemployed since 2008. It seems that the industry is blind to people who want to contribute in a way that does not see them ensconced in a nomadic lifestyle where the contributor must move involuntarily at the whims of employers. I've hence resolved only to contribute time voluntarily whe

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

There are 933 Owen Thomas in LinkedIn ! -- Johnny Muczynski 734-262-2045 On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Owen Thomas wrote: > I've been unemployed since 2008. It seems that the industry is blind to > people who want to contribute in a way that does not see them ensconced in > a nomadic lifesty

Re: Long Live NetBeans!

https://www.linkedin.com/in/owen-thomas-84564a13b/ I think will be me. On 8 March 2018 at 11:32, John Muczynski wrote: > There are 933 Owen Thomas in LinkedIn ! > > > -- > Johnny Muczynski > 734-262-2045 > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Owen Thomas > wrote: > >> I've been unemployed since 20

Re: incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip

Hi Leo, I didn't import the keys, as I had previously done this step... But I'm looking at a different file then you: https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/ incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-beta/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0- beta-bin.zip(you) https://dist.apache.org/re