Re: Quinlan interviewed about SA

2005-03-05 Thread Kelson
jdow wrote: Methinks there is a candidate meta rule here. SPF passes and it's in certain of the BLs leads to a higher score than merely being in the BL. In particular, an SPF (or similar) pass will make RHSBLs (right-hand-side blacklists, for those following along) more useful. I mean, if

RE: Spamassassin Tagging

2005-03-05 Thread Matthew.van.Eerde
Jon Dossey wrote: -Original Message- Jon Dossey wrote: Still having problems. Redhat FC2, sendmail 8.31.1, spamassassin 3.0.1 (with spamass-milter). Messages are coming in with scores 5.0 and aren't being tagged. Ok, I changed the required_hits to required_score (even though

Re: SURBL missing this spam

2005-03-05 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: martin smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] I must have received this spam 12 times or more in the last 24 hours and even though its listed on the SURBL, spamassassin fails to match it against them. When I submit the spams to spamcop it parses the url everytime. SURBL

Re: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam

2005-03-05 Thread Jeff Chan
On Friday, March 4, 2005, 3:47:04 PM, martin smith wrote: I must have received this spam 12 times or more in the last 24 hours and even though its listed on the SURBL, spamassassin fails to match it against them. When I submit the spams to spamcop it parses the url everytime. SURBL seems to

Re: SURBL missing this spam

2005-03-05 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: Bill Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] I must have received this spam 12 times or more in the last 24 hours and even though its listed on the SURBL, spamassassin fails to match it against them. When I submit the spams to spamcop it parses the url everytime.

Re: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam

2005-03-05 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 05:10:42PM -0800, Jeff Chan wrote: The URI is a little unusual, with a missing port number after the colon: http://crazyrxl0wprices-MUNGED.com:/ Maybe that syntax is throwing off SA? Yeah, it does look like a bug somewhere in 3.0.x. 3.1 catches it fine, fwiw.

Re: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam

2005-03-05 Thread Matthew Newton
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 05:10:42PM -0800, Jeff Chan wrote: The URI is a little unusual, with a missing port number after the colon: http://crazyrxl0wprices-MUNGED.com:/ I can confirm that behaviour here. http://blocked-domain.com/ is picked up http://blocked-domain.com:/ is

Re: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam

2005-03-05 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: Jeff Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Friday, March 4, 2005, 3:47:04 PM, martin smith wrote: I must have received this spam 12 times or more in the last 24 hours and even though its listed on the SURBL, spamassassin fails to match it against them. When I

Re: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam

2005-03-05 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 05:23:35PM -0800, Jeff Chan wrote: Given that it's apparently fixed in 3.1 should we make a bugzilla? Might it be worth reviewing that the expression or code was specifically fixed to explain this (better) behavior? Or would that be unnecessary? I wouldn't bother with

Re: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam

2005-03-05 Thread David B Funk
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Jeff Chan wrote: On Friday, March 4, 2005, 5:12:28 PM, Theo Dinter wrote: On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 05:10:42PM -0800, Jeff Chan wrote: The URI is a little unusual, with a missing port number after the colon: http://crazyrxl0wprices-MUNGED.com:/ Maybe that syntax

Re: Quinlan interviewed about SA

2005-03-05 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Kelson wrote: jdow wrote: Methinks there is a candidate meta rule here. SPF passes and it's in certain of the BLs leads to a higher score than merely being in the BL. In particular, an SPF (or similar) pass will make RHSBLs (right-hand-side blacklists, for those following along) more useful. I

Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam

2005-03-05 Thread Jeff Chan
On Friday, March 4, 2005, 7:37:45 PM, David Funk wrote: On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Jeff Chan wrote: On Friday, March 4, 2005, 5:12:28 PM, Theo Dinter wrote: On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 05:10:42PM -0800, Jeff Chan wrote: The URI is a little unusual, with a missing port number after the colon:

Re: Quinlan interviewed about SA

2005-03-05 Thread jdow
From: Daryl C. W. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kelson wrote: jdow wrote: Methinks there is a candidate meta rule here. SPF passes and it's in certain of the BLs leads to a higher score than merely being in the BL. In particular, an SPF (or similar) pass will make RHSBLs

Re: Quinlan interviewed about SA

2005-03-05 Thread List Mail User
using whitelist_from_rcvd), make a lot of sense to me. If some mentally deficient spammer has the stupidity to maintain an SPF record for his spam site that is identified in black lists he probably should get some additional Brownie Points for his stupidity, eh? {^_-} Just came across

Re: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam

2005-03-05 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi Theo, http://crazyrxl0wprices-MUNGED.com:/ Maybe that syntax is throwing off SA? Yeah, it does look like a bug somewhere in 3.0.x. 3.1 catches it fine, fwiw. 3.0: debug: URIDNSBL: domains to query: 3.1: debug: uridnsbl: domains to query: crazyrxl0wprices.com Any ETA on 3.1 ? Thanks,

Re: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam

2005-03-05 Thread Jeff Chan
On Saturday, March 5, 2005, 2:07:22 AM, Raymond Dijkxhoorn wrote: http://crazyrxl0wprices-MUNGED.com:/ Maybe that syntax is throwing off SA? Yeah, it does look like a bug somewhere in 3.0.x. 3.1 catches it fine, fwiw. 3.0: debug: URIDNSBL: domains to query: 3.1: debug: uridnsbl:

learn_with_whitelist?

2005-03-05 Thread Barrie Slaymaker
I am trying to seed the autowhitelist with ham spam and found the learn_with_whitelist option in PerMsgLearner. A patch to sa-learn to expose this internal option as a command line option is below. Question: is this a good or a dangerous idea? Thanks, Barrie 'sync'= \$synconly,

Mail::SpamAssassin Install fails

2005-03-05 Thread Stephane Parenton
Hi everyone, this my very first post, as this is my first attempt at setting up SpamAssassin... so here's the situation : The server is a Mandrake 10.1, i run postfix, have mysql (4.0.20) installed, the perl version is 5.8.5. I've downloaded SA from the site, but as i wanted it to be

How to setup things. Novices with no or little mastery of computers.

2005-03-05 Thread Don Saklad
You have no or little mastery of computers even though you read email with emacs rmail. Spamassassin headers are appearing on your messages. How do you setup things if you have no or only very little mastery of making dotfiles?... Spamassassin instructional information around the web makes use of

RE: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam

2005-03-05 Thread martin smith
|-Original Message- |From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 05 March 2005 01:27 |To: SpamAssassin Users |Subject: Re: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam | |On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 05:23:35PM -0800, Jeff Chan wrote: | Given that it's apparently fixed in 3.1 should we make a

RE: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam

2005-03-05 Thread martin smith
|-Original Message- |From: martin smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 05 March 2005 11:41 |To: Spamassassin |Subject: RE: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam | |Is there a uri rule we could use to catch e.g. .com: or .uk: |in the mean time untill 3.1 becomes available, there is a

RE: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam

2005-03-05 Thread martin smith
| |uri SpoofPort_URL /.*\:.*|.*\...:.*/ score SpoofPort_URL 1 | Ok MK2 that one could FP on genuine URLs with a port specified uri SpoofPort_URL /.*\:.*|.*\...:.*/ score SpoofPort_URL 1 uri OkPort_URL /.*\:|.*\...:./|/.*\:\/.*|.*\...:.\/.*/ score OkPort_URL -1

Re: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam

2005-03-05 Thread Duncan Hill
On Saturday 05 March 2005 14:49, martin smith wrote: |uri SpoofPort_URL /.*\:.*|.*\...:.*/ score SpoofPort_URL 1 Ok MK2 that one could FP on genuine URLs with a port specified uri SpoofPort_URL /.*\:.*|.*\...:.*/ score SpoofPort_URL 1 uri OkPort_URL

RE: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam

2005-03-05 Thread martin smith
|-Original Message- |From: Duncan Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 05 March 2005 15:02 |To: users@spamassassin.apache.org |Subject: Re: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam | |On Saturday 05 March 2005 14:49, martin smith wrote: | |uri SpoofPort_URL /.*\:.*|.*\...:.*/ score

Re: [SPAM-TAG] SURBL missing this spam

2005-03-05 Thread List Mail User
Duncan, As written your rule only checks for a ':' immediately before a '/'. But at least one valid use of the colon is http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]:host, which is defined as part of the stardard HTTP protocol. Paul Shupak [EMAIL PROTECTED]

mailx vs pine local mail scan times

2005-03-05 Thread Rob Fantini
Hello, - mailx [command line] mail is processed 5x faster than mail sent using pine. we're using Gentoo. software versions: mail-filter/spamassassin-ruledujour-20050106 mail-filter/spamassassin-3.0.2-r1 mail-client/pine-4.62 some of local.cf: trusted_networks 192.168/16 127/8

One single mailbox for all spam

2005-03-05 Thread Stephane Parenton
Hi everyone... So far, SpamAssassin is running ok... now I want to eliminate the spam from the users mailboxes. here's the deal : A mail server, serving several domains : domain_a.com, domain_b.com, domain_c.com etc... for the moment, domain_a and domain_b are filtered, but if everything runs

Re: mailx vs pine local mail scan times

2005-03-05 Thread Matt Kettler
At 12:36 PM 3/5/2005, Rob Fantini wrote: Hello, - mailx [command line] mail is processed 5x faster than mail sent using pine. Your difference in time is 1.1 second vs 5.8 seconds. Is that always consistent over a large set of emails? I can see from your results you've got network checks

Re: Mail::SpamAssassin Install fails

2005-03-05 Thread Matt Kettler
At 06:18 AM 3/5/2005, Stephane Parenton wrote: Checking if your kit is complete... Looks good Writing Makefile for Mail::SpamAssassin then the installation runs through this : warning: description for HIDE_WIN_STATUS is over 50 chars warning: description for EXCUSE_24 is over 50 chars warning:

Re: learn_with_whitelist?

2005-03-05 Thread Matt Kettler
At 05:53 AM 3/5/2005, Barrie Slaymaker wrote: I am trying to seed the autowhitelist with ham spam and found the learn_with_whitelist option in PerMsgLearner. A patch to sa-learn to expose this internal option as a command line option is below. Question: is this a good or a dangerous idea?

Re: How to setup things. Novices with no or little mastery of computers.

2005-03-05 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Don, You are correct. SpamAssassin is an open source project which performs rather specific and technical functions, and in order for it to work correctly it needs people with rather specific and technical knowledge to apply it. If you do not have the minimum technical knowledge required

Re: Quinlan interviewed about SA

2005-03-05 Thread Eric A. Hall
On 3/4/2005 1:57 PM, Rob McEwen (PowerView Systems) wrote: Quinlan: Any technique that tries to identify good mail without authentication backing it up, or some form of personalized training. It worked well for a while, but it's definitely not an effective technique today. I kind of disagree

Re: learn_with_whitelist?

2005-03-05 Thread Barrie Slaymaker
Matt Kettler wrote: Personaly, I find this dangerous. I strongly disagree with the practice of seeding the AWL.. You really shouldn't have to, nor want to. Would you mind explaining why you find this to be dangerous? - Barrie

Re: How to setup things. Novices with no or little mastery of computers.

2005-03-05 Thread Bob Proulx
Don Saklad wrote: You have no or little mastery of computers even though you read email with emacs rmail. Spamassassin headers are appearing on your messages. How are those spamassassin headers showing up in your messages? Someone must have configured it for you. If not you then your ISP is

Re: How to setup Spamassassin. Novices with no or little mastery of computers.

2005-03-05 Thread Don Saklad
It's kind of an arrogant argument about not using something more advanced than your knowledge. It did not stop a lot of people from exploring things more advanced than their knowledge including young aficionados of computers themselves. There are a lot of areas of interest and knowledge. One can

RE: How to setup Spamassassin. Novices with no or little mastery of computers.

2005-03-05 Thread Greg Allen
You appear to be a 'user'. This is not a 'user' mailing list. It is for system admins and developer types who install or configure spamassassin on their servers at a system level. You should be talking with your system administrator who installed SA rather than abusing this list. -Original

Re: How to setup Spamassassin. Novices with no or little mastery of computers.

2005-03-05 Thread JamesDR
I think you are confused! What people are saying here is, this is a mailing list for the _administration_ and _installation_ of SpamAssassin. If you have any specific issues pertaining to the above then welcome! Other wise, if these headers are added by your ISP or some mail relay along the

Do you use MS Exchange public folders for bayes learning?

2005-03-05 Thread Matt Yackley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I would like to throw out a request for admins that are using, have tried or want to use MS Exchage public folders to gather messages that will be fed back to sa-learn. Background: Since there are not many (any?) good ways to retrieve

Re: How to setup things. Novices with no or little mastery of computers.

2005-03-05 Thread David B Funk
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Bob Proulx wrote: Don Saklad wrote: Spamassassin instructional information around the web makes use of jargon and arcane references that make it a research project for people with no or little mastery just to get through the instructional information ! SpamAssassin

scores too low - neural network problem?

2005-03-05 Thread Andrew Schulman
I'm running spamc/spamd 3.0.2 in Debian.  I have Bayesian tests turned on, and network tests off. Lately a lot of spam has been getting through to my mailbox.  SA's false negative rate used to be about 1%; now it's about 50%.  Looking at the headers for the spam that's getting through, I see that

Re: How to setup things. Novices with no or little mastery of computers.

2005-03-05 Thread Bob Proulx
David B Funk wrote: This particular one has been killfiled all over Usenet for over a decade and so has turned to mailing lists. A quick Google or Usenet search will reveal it for what it is. ;) Wow. I have been living a sheltered life of late and have blissfully missed him. Google does

Re: scores too low - neural network problem?

2005-03-05 Thread Bob Proulx
Andrew Schulman wrote: I'm running spamc/spamd 3.0.2 in Debian.  I have Bayesian tests turned on, and network tests off. I am running a similar system. But with network tests turned on. The network tests such as SURBL[1] are huge factors in increasing spam classification accuracy for me.

Re: mailx vs pine local mail scan times

2005-03-05 Thread Rob Fantini
At very least, try this test with 3 consecutive mails per client to get some feel of varriance in network lookup times. I ran the tests you suggested and sure enough it averages about the same for pine and mailx mails to be processed. Is there a way to disable spamassassin from processing

Re: One single mailbox for all spam

2005-03-05 Thread Nigel Wilkinson
--On Saturday, March 05, 2005 19:53:14 +0100 Stephane Parenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone... So far, SpamAssassin is running ok... now I want to eliminate the spam from the users mailboxes. here's the deal : A mail server, serving several domains : domain_a.com, domain_b.com,

Re: scores too low - neural network problem?

2005-03-05 Thread Kelson Vibber
On Saturday 05 March 2005 1:21 pm, Andrew Schulman wrote: I understand that the individual test scores are fed through a neural network to derive the final score.  So it seems that this network has started to behave badly.   You misunderstand. The neural network (or whatever they're using