Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

On 10/13/2015 4:14 PM, Larry Goldman wrote: Way the best answer, Dianne! Thanks! To add a 3rd answer, I want you to know that you ARE correct. Godaddy provides you a service which is not functioning as you would like. Who they choose, what their vendors choose, etc. is not really your job as a

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

Way the best answer, Dianne! Thanks! > On Oct 13, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Dianne Skoll wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 13:04:36 -0700 > Larry Goldman wrote: > >> Point me to the documentation of the SpamAssassin framework. Where >> are rules documented? What are the current rules? Describe, in >> det

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:11:49 -0400 Dianne Skoll wrote: > Or if you want an online resource, > https://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.1.x/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Conf.html D'oh, that's a link to an old version... sorry. http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.4.x/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin.html is probab

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 13:04:36 -0700 Larry Goldman wrote: > Point me to the documentation of the SpamAssassin framework. Where > are rules documented? What are the current rules? Describe, in > detail, the new SA technology which fights abuse of new TLDs. man Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf Or if you wa

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

Point me to the documentation of the SpamAssassin framework. Where are rules documented? What are the current rules? Describe, in detail, the new SA technology which fights abuse of new TLDs. Thank you for your advice. I don’t really plan on devoting my life to administering my generic email se

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

Am 13.10.2015 um 21:48 schrieb Larry Goldman: It seems that a basic function of an email service provider, these days, is to keep up with spam. There is nothing unusual about my email. SpamAssassin is a framework: a framework with seemingly no documentation at all no documentationat all? se

Re: Simplicity (was Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains)

On 10/13/2015 3:42 PM, Larry Goldman wrote: I’m ready to get down and dirty if necessary. As a customer of CPanel, I was expecting the “competent someone else who is supposed to simplify the process of managing an email server for me" already to be working for CPanel. Agreed. I think the issu

CPanel (was Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains)

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:48:58 -0700 Larry Goldman wrote: > SpamAssassin is a framework: a framework with seemingly no > documentation at all. I was considering downloading the source files > to see if the framework is documented there. Is that what it takes to > administer a mail service? Why can’

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

It seems that a basic function of an email service provider, these days, is to keep up with spam. There is nothing unusual about my email. SpamAssassin is a framework: a framework with seemingly no documentation at all. I was considering downloading the source files to see if the framework is d

Re: Simplicity (was Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains)

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:42:04 -0700 Larry Goldman wrote: > As a customer of CPanel, I was expecting the "competent someone else > who is supposed to simplify the process of managing an email server > for me" already to be working for CPanel. CPanel is just a "hosting control panel" used by a bazi

Re: Simplicity (was Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains)

I’m ready to get down and dirty if necessary. As a customer of CPanel, I was expecting the “competent someone else who is supposed to simplify the process of managing an email server for me" already to be working for CPanel. > On Oct 13, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Dianne Skoll wrote: > > On Tue, 13 O

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

Am 13.10.2015 um 21:34 schrieb Larry Goldman: I couldn’t pay a full-time guy for what I’m paying to use CPanel. I was hoping/expecting that the $ all of us shared users of CPanel are paying for the product would eventually be paying a full-time guy/gurl to support the product. that is what y

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

I couldn’t pay a full-time guy for what I’m paying to use CPanel. I was hoping/expecting that the $ all of us shared users of CPanel are paying for the product would eventually be paying a full-time guy/gurl to support the product. > On Oct 13, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > it'

Simplicity (was Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains)

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:24:53 -0700 Larry Goldman wrote: > So, it is not possible to simplify the process of managing an email > server via an easy-to-use software user interface? I think if your goal is to simplify the process of managing an email server, your best bet is to pay someone else to

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

Am 13.10.2015 um 21:24 schrieb Larry Goldman: So, it is not possible to simplify the process of managing an email server via an easy-to-use software user interface? not really someone needs to understand the setup *and* maintain it because spam is a moving target - there is no easy solutio

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

So, it is not possible to simplify the process of managing an email server via an easy-to-use software user interface? > On Oct 13, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > no! > > the idea of cpanel, webmin and what not is trying to provide a reduced and > limited interface for users with

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

no! the idea of cpanel, webmin and what not is trying to provide a reduced and limited interface for users with no clue and give them the felling they have some clue what they are doing if you rely on capnel you better maintain no public server at all, take money and pay somebody who knows w

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

The _idea_ of CPanel is a good one: a low-cost, do-it-all solution which a broader range of tech-savvy users can manage. It seems that the current GoDaddy/CPanel configuration I’m using is obviously not up to the task of distinguishing SPAM in today’s world. If there is not an easy fix within t

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

My experience to date is that GoDaddy doesn’t really support the internals of CPanel, and CPanel doesn’t provide end-user customer support either. I figured I would try to solve the problem myself (with this mailing list’s help), or consider hosting my own (OS X) email server so I have full cont

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

Am 13.10.2015 um 21:02 schrieb Larry Goldman: I’ve seen CPanel hosted on several other ISPs. It would be quite unfortunate (for them and for their users) if their email product could not reliably catch spam. and i have seen so much shit from ISP's long ago that i started in 2005 to host an

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

I’ve seen CPanel hosted on several other ISPs. It would be quite unfortunate (for them and for their users) if their email product could not reliably catch spam. > On Oct 13, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > > Am 13.10.2015 um 20:40 schrieb Larry Goldman: >> It seems that CPanel

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

On 10/13/2015 2:55 PM, Larry Goldman wrote: It seems that the new domains are appearing faster than I can keep up. Continual manual updates by every SA admin seems unfeasible. How does SA solve this problem? By adding the TLDs to the config files distributed by sa-update that work with SA 3.

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

It seems that the new domains are appearing faster than I can keep up. Continual manual updates by every SA admin seems unfeasible. How does SA solve this problem? > On Oct 13, 2015, at 2:33 AM, Paul Stead wrote: > > On 12/10/15 19:15, Larry Goldman wrote: >> On Oct 2, 2015 6:47:41 am >> RW wr

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

Am 13.10.2015 um 20:40 schrieb Larry Goldman: It seems that CPanel is an independent product that GoDaddy serves. It may be that the version of CPanel in use is not using up-to-date SA, which is a problem. How can I determine which version of SA is being used, without terminal access? you ca

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

On 10/13/2015 2:40 PM, Larry Goldman wrote: On Oct 13, 2015, at 6:49 AM, Kevin A. McGrail > wrote: On 10/12/2015 2:15 PM, Larry Goldman wrote: I’m using the CPanel shared hosting on GoDaddy. Inside there, SpamAssassin is running. GoDaddy might not be running sa-updat

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

> On Oct 13, 2015, at 6:49 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > > On 10/12/2015 2:15 PM, Larry Goldman wrote: >> I’m using the CPanel shared hosting on GoDaddy. Inside there, SpamAssassin >> is running. > GoDaddy might not be running sa-update or a new enough version of SA to take > advantage of the

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

On 10/12/2015 2:15 PM, Larry Goldman wrote: I’m using the CPanel shared hosting on GoDaddy. Inside there, SpamAssassin is running. GoDaddy might not be running sa-update or a new enough version of SA to take advantage of the TLD updates we can push centrally.

Invalid DNS sig on an SA mirror

I notice that the DNS domain for secnap.net doesn't appear to be set up to DNSSEC standards. Doing a reverse lookup with 'host' returns SERVFAIL, but the thing that attracted my attention in the first place is that my copy of BIND 9.10.2 is reporting errors of the form validating sa-update.secna

Re: SpamAssassin Rules Regarding Abuse of New Top Level Domains

On 12/10/15 19:15, Larry Goldman wrote: On Oct 2, 2015 6:47:41 am RW wrote: On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 18:53:16 -0700 Larry Goldman wrote: I?m running SpamAssassin on CPanel shared hosting (GoDaddy). For several weeks, I?ve been inundated with spam from various new top-level domains: .date, .win,, .fai