On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:14:10 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
That is a non-solution. You are assuming all users have the same
criteria for what is or isn't spammy content.
you stopped premature reading my repsonse - WHY?
look again at the X-Spam-Status header below
a
Am 26.03.2015 um 14:27 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:14:10 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
That is a non-solution. You are assuming all users have the same
criteria for what is or isn't spammy content.
you stopped premature reading my repsonse - WHY?
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:33:08 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
boah - spamass-milter *rejects* above 8.0 points based on the header
What if one of the recipients is opted-out and has categorically stated
that he/she wants to receive every piece of email? Then you're
breaking
Am 26.03.2015 um 13:43 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 12:09:58 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
why in the world would a reject *before queue* trigger a backscatter
or bounce on my side?
How do you do before-queue rejection of a message that is...
1) Directed
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 12:09:58 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
why in the world would a reject *before queue* trigger a backscatter
or bounce on my side?
How do you do before-queue rejection of a message that is...
1) Directed to multiple recipients...
2) Some of which have
Am 26.03.2015 um 13:54 schrieb Reindl Harald:
Solve that problem, and then I agree with you. And saying well, don't
let different end-users have different settings is not a solution.
Neither is tempfail all recipients but the first so the message
is transmitted one time for each recipient.
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 13:54:45 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
1) Directed to multiple recipients...
the content is the same, reject it or not
That is a non-solution. You are assuming all users have the same
criteria for what is or isn't spammy content.
the same way you
Am 26.03.2015 um 14:04 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 13:54:45 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
1) Directed to multiple recipients...
the content is the same, reject it or not
That is a non-solution. You are assuming all users have the same
criteria for
On 26/03/15 13:47, Reindl Harald wrote:
that below was *one* message with two different recipients
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.1, tag-level=5.5, block-level=8.0
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.1, tag-level=5.5, block-level=8.0
I hate to piss on your parade, but your example here is totally
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:55:27 -0400
Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
If one of your customer domains has non-default settings, give them
their own IP address and a separate MX record pointing to that
address.
We filter more than 8000 domains. That is not feasible.
Regards,
Am 26.03.2015 um 14:37 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:33:08 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
boah - spamass-milter *rejects* above 8.0 points based on the header
What if one of the recipients is opted-out and has categorically stated
that he/she wants to
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:47:16 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
i proved you that i can assign differnt scores to a single message
with more than one recipients *per recipient*
Assigning scores is passive. What do you do with the scored messages?
If all your users are content
Am 26.03.2015 um 14:57 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:47:16 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
i proved you that i can assign differnt scores to a single message
with more than one recipients *per recipient*
Assigning scores is passive. What do you do with
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:55:27 -0400
Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
If one of your customer domains has non-default settings, give them
their own IP address and a separate MX record pointing to that
address.
On 26.03.15 12:54, David F. Skoll wrote:
We filter more than 8000
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 10:12:22 -0500 (CDT)
Dave Funk dbf...@engineering.uiowa.edu wrote:
If they are compatible you respond with a 250, if not with a 452 (or
other 45* type reply).
On 26.03.15 11:52, David F. Skoll wrote:
We looked at doing this. There are some serious downsides:
1) Some
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256
On 26-03-15 17:28, Steve Freegard wrote:
On 26/03/15 13:47, Reindl Harald wrote:
that below was *one* message with two different recipients
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.1, tag-level=5.5, block-level=8.0
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.1,
On 26/03/15 22:23, Tom Hendrikx wrote:
Your single message was delivered by two different hosts, with a
single recipient in each.
This is actually very logical because the recipients don't share the
same MX hosts or IP addresses.
*nod* - I'd missed that fact when I glanced over this
On 26 Mar 2015, at 06:43 , David F. Skoll d...@roaringpenguin.com wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 12:09:58 +0100 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
wrote:
why in the world would a reject *before queue* trigger a backscatter
or bounce on my side?
How do you do before-queue rejection of a
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:45:07 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
boah postfix responds with a postfix/cleanup[21827]: 3lCS043tlCz1l:
milter-reject: END-OF-MESSAGE to the delivering client and the
server on the other side generates a bounce containing the reject
message
So then
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:05:06 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
* spamass-milter -r 8.0
* messages above 8.0 are *rejected*
Silently? Or do you generate an NDR? I'm genuinely curious as to how you:
1) Accept mail for some recipients
2) Reject mail for others
3) Without
Am 26.03.2015 um 15:08 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:05:06 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
* spamass-milter -r 8.0
* messages above 8.0 are *rejected*
Silently? Or do you generate an NDR? I'm genuinely curious as to how you:
i explained it multiple
Am 26.03.2015 um 15:58 schrieb Antony Stone:
On Thursday 26 March 2015 at 15:55:52 (EU time), Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 26.03.2015 um 15:52 schrieb Antony Stone:
Surely this message is backscatter, though?
It's being sent to the (apparent) sender, in response to a message which
you know is
On Thursday 26 March 2015 at 15:55:52 (EU time), Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 26.03.2015 um 15:52 schrieb Antony Stone:
Surely this message is backscatter, though?
It's being sent to the (apparent) sender, in response to a message which
you know is identified as spam
NOT IT IS NOT A
On Thursday 26 March 2015 at 15:45:07 (EU time), Reindl Harald wrote:
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
ad...@rhsoft.net
Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server
for the recipient domain
Am 26.03.2015 um 15:55 schrieb Reindl Harald:
Am 26.03.2015 um 15:52 schrieb Antony Stone:
On Thursday 26 March 2015 at 15:45:07 (EU time), Reindl Harald wrote:
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
ad...@rhsoft.net
Technical details of permanent failure:
Google
On 03/26/2015 08:43 AM, David F. Skoll wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 12:09:58 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
why in the world would a reject *before queue* trigger a backscatter
or bounce on my side?
How do you do before-queue rejection of a message that is...
1)
Am 26.03.2015 um 15:52 schrieb Antony Stone:
On Thursday 26 March 2015 at 15:45:07 (EU time), Reindl Harald wrote:
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
ad...@rhsoft.net
Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015, Kris Deugau wrote:
David F. Skoll wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:05:06 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
* spamass-milter -r 8.0
* messages above 8.0 are *rejected*
Silently? Or do you generate an NDR? I'm genuinely curious as to how you:
1) Accept
David F. Skoll wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:05:06 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
* spamass-milter -r 8.0
* messages above 8.0 are *rejected*
Silently? Or do you generate an NDR? I'm genuinely curious as to how you:
1) Accept mail for some recipients
2) Reject
On 3/26/2015 11:11 AM, Robert Schetterer wrote:
what he describes is not backscatter, cause the mail is rejected during
smtp imcome stage, wich means the server simply didnt take the mail
during the running smtp session,
This argument to me assumes that their isn't a server in the middle of
the
Am 26.03.2015 um 16:19 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail:
On 3/26/2015 11:11 AM, Robert Schetterer wrote:
what he describes is not backscatter, cause the mail is rejected during
smtp imcome stage, wich means the server simply didnt take the mail
during the running smtp session,
This argument to me
Am 26.03.2015 um 16:19 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail:
On 3/26/2015 11:11 AM, Robert Schetterer wrote:
what he describes is not backscatter, cause the mail is rejected during
smtp imcome stage, wich means the server simply didnt take the mail
during the running smtp session,
This argument to me
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 10:12:22 -0500 (CDT)
Dave Funk dbf...@engineering.uiowa.edu wrote:
If they are compatible you respond with a 250, if not with a 452 (or
other 45* type reply).
We looked at doing this. There are some serious downsides:
1) Some senders (for example, mailing list tools) send
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