Re: Installing a full 68040 in a Performa 631

--- On Fri, 12/4/09, D. Finnigan wrote: > All Macs with a 68020 or better CPU had an MMU which > allowed them to do > virtual memory when System 7 was released. The older 68000 > Macs did not > have an on-board MMU, so could not do VM. The Mac II has one socket for the CPU, one for the (optional

Re: old and new world

Oh. . . no! No big deal It was the only halfway intelligent thing i could offer to the discussions of the past 24 hours. See my new thread: "Need help with floppy drive" and you'll understand my need to say something intelligent. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Emerson William dos Santos Moura

Need help with floppy drive

I have no idea what i possibly could have done. What could make 3, otherwise happy healthy, floppy drives stop reading at the same time. Here's the backstory: I have a Classic with an external Western Digital 40mg hard drive. This, along with my iBook, is the computer that I do most of my work on.

Re: old and new world

Glen uses same pictures for models with exactly same form factor. But, if you send any information correction or good picture to him, I think he will use it. > It looks like there is a picture of a Classic II on the Classic page. > > >> The concept of all-in-one: >> The oldest compact Macs: Orig

Re: old and new world

It looks like there is a picture of a Classic II on the Classic page. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Emerson William dos Santos Moura < emerson...@gmail.com> wrote: > The concept of all-in-one: > > The oldest compact Macs: Original Mac (128K), 512K, Plus, SE, SE/30, > Classic, Classic II, Col

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

The original Mac II cames with 68020 processor that doesn´t have internal MMU and use an external chip (68851) for this task. The other Mac II models cames with 68030 processor that have internal (and more efficient) MMU. In all Mac II models, needed a FPU chip (that cames internal in 68040 proce

Re: Installing a full 68040 in a Performa 631

On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:24:59 -0500, "D. Finnigan" wrote: > > All Macs with a 68020 or better CPU had an MMU which allowed them to do > virtual memory when System 7 was released. Sorry, but I just realized that I made a mistake. 68020 Macs did NOT have an MMU. The above should read, "All Macs

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Emerson William dos Santos Moura wrote: > Some Mac II was delivered with A/UX, but with the same ROM, I know. They also had the MMU chip installed, which A/UX (and almost all [but not all]] unix need. In the plain Mac II, there was a smaller kluge chip mounted in

Re: Installing a full 68040 in a Performa 631

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:20:29 -0800, "Dr. Hawkins" wrote: > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Jeff Walther wrote: > >> At the time the PPCs were released, all the magazines (IIRC) were >> claiming the emulator was 68020-like, so I didn't look any further >> than the link I posted.   It's interesti

Re: Installing a full 68040 in a Performa 631

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Jeff Walther wrote: > At the time the PPCs were released, all the magazines (IIRC) were > claiming the emulator was 68020-like, so I didn't look any further > than the link I posted.   It's interesting to see the full story. It wouldn't have made a lot of sense t

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

Some Mac II was delivered with A/UX, but with the same ROM, I know. The Macs Network Server 500 and 700 was shipped with specific ROMs that run only AIX (don´t run Mac OS): >>I honestly can't speak to all the PPCs, having not tried to ev

Re: Installing a full 68040 in a Performa 631

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:59:09 -0800 (PST), Jeff Walther wrote: > > Thank you. That was interesting. > > At the time the PPCs were released, all the magazines (IIRC) were > claiming the emulator was 68020-like, so I didn't look any further > than the link I posted. It's interesting to see the f

Re: Installing a full 68040 in a Performa 631

On Dec 2, 2:19 pm, Scott Holder wrote: > Jeff Walther wrote:On Dec 2, 11:44 am, "D. > Finnigan"wrote:On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:29:00 -0800 (PST), > Jeff Waltherwrote:My understanding is the the 68K emulator built > into the PPC Macintosh ROMs emulates a 68020.That's incorrect. It emulates a > 68

Re: old and new world

The concept of all-in-one: The oldest compact Macs: Original Mac (128K), 512K, Plus, SE, SE/30, Classic, Classic II, Color Classic and Color Classic II:

Re: Original graphic demos

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:28:44 -0800, Elliott Price wrote: > Seriously! I would do the same. Perhaps have like a special "exhibit" at > Apple headquarters with special Macs in clear plexiglass cases or something > like that :) > That's exactly what they had at Apple until Steve Jobs returned. A m

Re: old and new world

I agree, they are very different internally, although they might not look like it externally. -Elliott Price Mac Computer Repair - Santa Barbara Graphic Design - Artwork Setup Websites - Low Cost Custom Websites On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:11 AM, WhyOSX wrote: > I'd not agree, the iMacs 233MH

Re: Original graphic demos

Seriously! I would do the same. Perhaps have like a special "exhibit" at Apple headquarters with special Macs in clear plexiglass cases or something like that :) -Elliott Price Mac Computer Repair - Santa Barbara Graphic Design - Artwork Setup Websites - Low Cost Custom Websites On De

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

Scott Holder wrote: > As far as Linux goes, for pre-Open Firmware machines I believe the only > option is to use to MacOS based bootloader like BootX, miBoot, and quik. > For Old World, later Open Firmware based machines ISTR there being some > specific things that could be done to boot them.

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

Britt Dodd wrote: > Well see, my thing is I dont really understand *how* to initially get > the linux CD to boot. I'm almost positive its not as easy as popping in > the CD and holding down C at bootand If i'm installing linux on a > mac,I dont want to initiate the process via MacOS. Well s

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

Emerson William dos Santos Moura wrote: > I remember a Dana´s (www.danamania.com) old message (2 or 3 years ago) > in the list Debian-PPC with a complex how-to install Debian newer than > Debian Sarge in Macs Old World. > > Do you know any simple way to do this installation? Or Debian was > furthe

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

On Dec 4, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Doug McNutt wrote: >> But for the 68ks, no, there's no ability to boot >> anything other than a Mac OS System Folder off an HFS volume. Some >> kind >> of ROM Limitation. So, you have no choice but to chainload it out of >> booted a Mac OS. > > Apple did deliver Mac

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

Doug McNutt wrote: > At 13:06 -0500 12/4/09, Scott Holder wrote: > >> I honestly can't speak to all the PPCs, having not tried to ever run >> Linux on one (other than an abortive attempt on a Powerbook Duo 2300c >> that went nowhere). But for the 68ks, no, there's no ability to boot >> anythi

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

At 13:06 -0500 12/4/09, Scott Holder wrote: >I honestly can't speak to all the PPCs, having not tried to ever run >Linux on one (other than an abortive attempt on a Powerbook Duo 2300c >that went nowhere). But for the 68ks, no, there's no ability to boot >anything other than a Mac OS System Fold

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

I honestly can't speak to all the PPCs, having not tried to ever run Linux on one (other than an abortive attempt on a Powerbook Duo 2300c that went nowhere). But for the 68ks, no, there's no ability to boot anything other than a Mac OS System Folder off an HFS volume. Some kind of ROM Limitati

RE: kibimebigibi and Original Mac/UBUNTU

OK dad, noted. Thanks for the update. -Original Message- From: Dr. Hawkins [mailto:doch...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:06 AM To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: kibimebigibi and Original Mac/UBUNTU On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:27 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: > ---

Re: kibimebigibi and Original Mac/UBUNTU

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Dave the Modest wrote: > > Not as bad as the hexadecimal gaffe in the original edition of "Encounter > With Tiber" where it was stated that hexadecimal counted from 1 to E. > > When I read that, my though was "Buzz Aldr

Re: kibimebigibi and Original Mac/UBUNTU

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:27 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, J. Alexander Jacocks wrote: > A system that almost made it out of the lab was a successor to the Atari 2600 > which used 10 bit words. Was that with a 6502 variant? > If it's not 8 bits, it's not a byte, it's a "word"

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

That's *exactly* what I was wanting to hear. So there is no native boot ability available for either PPC or m68k? I have a 610 I'd love to get running linux, and I have a 660AV with 64MB ram that i'd love to get running with some kind of dual-boot thing. Thats what I needed to know. I thought somet

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

Oh man, I hadn't thought about some of the stuff Dana did in forever. The craziest thing I remember was she compiled PearPC for Debian m68k on a Quadra, and was working on booting OS X in it. ISTR she ran into byte order problems, but it got at least as far as the grey Apple screen after some n

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

Well see, my thing is I dont really understand *how* to initially get the linux CD to boot. I'm almost positive its not as easy as popping in the CD and holding down C at bootand If i'm installing linux on a mac,I dont want to initiate the process via MacOS. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Eme

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

Sonnet NuBus card. It's wonderful. I'm really wanting to buy another 400Mhz one while they are still available from Sonnet. Apparently, they dont have any Nubus machines any more, so I have become the test machine for them when I bought mine. I put in a RMA, but I didnt send it out, and now i'm sur

Original Mac/UBUNTU/HEX

I'm facing HEX only when using ResEdit, 'F' is the magic number ! >--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Dave the Modest wrote: > >> Oops, I >> lied... Each 4-bit word >> represented a decimal digit between 0 and NINE (1001), not >> 10. Jeez, I feel like a dufus! > >Not as bad as the hexadecimal gaffe in the ori

Re: kibimebigibi and Original Mac/UBUNTU

That's so very true - a multimedia handheld phone may do even better. Sooner or later they'll "Beam us up, Scotty !" All the episodes of 'The Original Crew' were created before the moon landing. >> Yes, 360 was the system they sent the >> Apollo project up with. >> The other IBM things are unknown

Re: kibimebigibi and Original Mac/UBUNTU

Don't care - who remembers ? >Oops, I lied... Each 4-bit word represented a decimal digit between 0 and NINE >(1001), not 10. Jeez, I feel like a dufus! >If we cannot afford to take care of Veterans, then we should stop making > > Yes, 360 was the system they sent the Apollo project up with.

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

I remember a Dana´s (www.danamania.com) old message (2 or 3 years ago) in the list Debian-PPC with a complex how-to install Debian newer than Debian Sarge in Macs Old World. Do you know any simple way to do this installation? Or Debian was further supported for Macs Old World? >>     Kubuntu (KD

Re: kibimebigibi and Original Mac/UBUNTU

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Dave the Modest wrote: > Oops, I > lied... Each 4-bit word > represented a decimal digit between 0 and NINE (1001), not > 10. Jeez, I feel like a dufus! Not as bad as the hexadecimal gaffe in the original edition of "Encounter With Tiber" where it was stated that hexadecim

Re: kibimebigibi and Original Mac/UBUNTU

So you are a developer Konrad Zuse would have liked... >My first machine was a Control Data 1604 in 1961. Six bits per byte and 7 >track tape with a bit for odd parity. Programming was done in octal. All caps >FORTRAN came soon after. > >IBM introduced system 360 circa 1965, the full circle of c

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

Hey, a G3 in a 6100 ? I have a 4400 and a 5400 upgraded, and a 630/486 with a 6100/486 card, too >Is there more info on this? I doubt I could use my PPC G3 card in my 6100 >with that, right? Oh this unlocks a LOT of possibilities for me and my >projects -- - You received this message bec

Re: kibimebigibi and Original Mac/UBUNTU

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, WhyOSX wrote: > From: WhyOSX > Subject: Re: kibimebigibi and Original Mac/UBUNTU > To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 6:24 PM > Yes, 360 was the system they sent the > Apollo project up with. > The other IBM things are unknown to me. > Born

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

BEIGE are the old world ! > >On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:43:36 -0600, Christian Wacker > >wrote: >> Is a tray loader a New or Old world mac? >> > >That's not specific enough. Plenty of tray-loading Macs are Old World, >whereas the tray-loading iMac is New World. > >All Macs including and made after the

Re: kibimebigibi and Original Mac/UBUNTU

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, J. Alexander Jacocks wrote: > From: J. Alexander Jacocks > Subject: Re: kibimebigibi and Original Mac/UBUNTU > To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 1:28 PM > Anyone know of an extant computer > that uses non-8-bit bytes?  I > certainly can't

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

Maybebites seems to be correct - due to bad sectors these numbers are always doubtful. >I think its more of a 'dumbing down' for the general public. Personally, I >prefer the 1024 nomenclature to be called megabyte (or gigabyte, etc) rather >than mebibytes, etc... -- - You received this mes

old and new world

I'd not agree, the iMacs 233MHz with a fan and tray loaded are the 5500's children; the slot loaded are different in dimensions and architecture. >--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Christian Wacker wrote: > >> From: Christian Wacker >> Subject: Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU >> To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com >

Re: kibimebigibi and Original Mac/UBUNTU

To quote... "I reject your reality and substitute my own!". There's no confusion at all if you keep in mind that computer memory and storage terms are base 2. Ignore the 1.44M floppy disk as a weird case unto itself, and hard drive companies use of 1,000,000 kilobyte "megabytes" and 1,000,000 1

Re: Original graphic demos

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, D. Finnigan wrote: > From: D. Finnigan > Subject: Re: Original graphic demos > To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 12:29 PM > > On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:59:53 -0800, Elliott Price > wrote: > > You can't be serious... Is that really Steve Job'

Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Christian Wacker wrote: > From: Christian Wacker > Subject: Re: Original Mac/UBUNTU > To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 9:43 AM > Is a tray loader a New or Old world > mac? iMacs are all New World. Beige G3 and older are all Old World. Ba

Re: kibimebigibi and Original Mac/UBUNTU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OArZ9N0Ptg8 >Oops, I lied... Each 4-bit word represented a decimal digit between 0 and NINE >(1001), not 10. Jeez, I feel like a dufus! > >If we cannot afford to take care of Veterans, then we should stop making >them. >David C. Wilker Jr. >USAF (RET) > > - Or