Re: [VO]: Sub-prime submarines

2008-09-24 Thread OrionWorks
From Richard, Unless, and this can be troubling ...we have already elected our last President. By executive order, the President can now put off the next election. Yes! the power is in place because executive orders now in place permit this if a national emergency is declared. The existing

Re: [VO]: OT - Sub-prime submarines

2008-09-24 Thread OrionWorks
From Jones: Steven You may be underestimating the level of closet racism in the USA. But lest we deplete the ranks of vorticians even further - why not at least label this kind of political post as off-topic? Agreed! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com

Re: [VO]: OT - Sub-prime submarines

2008-09-24 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote: From Richard, Unless, and this can be troubling ...we have already elected our last President. By executive order, the President can now put off the next election. Yes! the power is in place because executive orders now in place permit this if a national emergency is

Re: [VO]: OT - Sub-prime submarines

2008-09-24 Thread OrionWorks
From Stephen Lawrence: Do you by any chance have online sources for that? If so I'd love it if you'd post 'em. There are no specific on-line sources for this kind of stuff. There's a old saying: Don't shoot the messenger. Actually, in this case it would be more apt to say ...the messenger

Re: [Vo]:The end of corn-ethanol

2008-09-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Plus the new numbers come not only from the Farm Lobby and NREL, but also from by the US Department of Agriculture itself: http://www1.eere.energy.gov/biomass/pdfs/final_billionton_vision_report2.pdf This is a credible source, so I will run it by Pimentel to see what he

Re: [VO]: OT - Sub-prime submarines

2008-09-24 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote: From Stephen Lawrence: Do you by any chance have online sources for that? If so I'd love it if you'd post 'em. There are no specific on-line sources for this kind of stuff. There's a old saying: Don't shoot the messenger. I'm not aiming to shoot the

[Vo]:Dilithium pt2 The Immaculate Conception

2008-09-24 Thread Jones Beene
The atomic mass of paired lithium-6 atoms is 2x 6.01512 = 12.03024 If the pairing were strong, this unit - which is being called dilithium could be arguably labeled as a bosonic-pair. There is evidence that it is strong. More on that later. The atomic mass of carbon-12 is exactly 12. Carbon-12

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect

2008-09-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Steven You may be underestimating the level of closet racism in the USA. This is getting way off topic, but it has to do with polling and public opinion surveys, a subject that has long interested me. (My mother was an expert in this field.) The issue of closet racism

[Vo]:The Mpemba Effect

2008-09-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 23, 2008, at 6:12 AM, Esa Ruoho wrote: if you have two identical jars, one with water at 40c and one with water at 200c, if you place them in a fridge at a lower temperature than either, the one with the greater amount of temperature actually meets the fridge temperature quicker than

Re: [Vo]:Dilithium pt2 The Immaculate Conception

2008-09-24 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message From: Terry Blanton I'm sure you don't mean pure lithium electrodes for hydrolosis? :-) I will redo this post, as it was a first draft and not clear on how a device would be constructed, based on the operative hypothesis - but the pure metal cannot be used with

Re: [Vo]:Dilithium pt2 The Immaculate Conception

2008-09-24 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Jones, Let's not stop too quick in conceptualizing fizzix-meshugga exploration of Lithium... consider the opposite of Lithium in the periodic table.. hmmm. can't be done one may say.. but by viewing the atomic weights as describing a spiral.. shazzamm.. what would be the element

Re: [Vo]:Dilithium pt2 The Immaculate Conception

2008-09-24 Thread Jones Beene
Hi Richard, Bismuth has many unusual properties which should be investigated for alternative energy potential - but this concept is looking specifically for bosons -- and bismuth doesn't suit the bill for that. Bosons are energy carriers, and they couple to other bosons in a direct coherent

Re: [Vo]:The Mpemba Effect

2008-09-24 Thread Harry Veeder
fyi Public release date: 31-May-2006[ Print Article | E-mail Article | Close Window ]Contact: Claire Bowles (London)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 44-207-611-1210 Kyre Austin (Boston)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-558-4939 New Scientist Why water freezes faster after heating "This article is posted on this

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect

2008-09-24 Thread Jeff Fink
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:11 AM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect Jones Beene wrote: The issue of closet racism skewing poll results is called the

Re: [Vo]:The Mpemba Effect

2008-09-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: THIS ARTICLE APPEARS IN NEW SCIENTIST MAGAZINE ISSUE: 3 JUNE 2006 AUTHOR: MARCUS CHOWN Jonathan Katz of Washington University in St Louis, it's all to do with solutes. You have to ask yourself: what does heating do to water that makes it

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect

2008-09-24 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jeff Fink wrote: I'm a white guy who is certainly not racist. Give me Alan Keyes, J C Watts, or even Colin Powell, and I will vote for him any day over McCain. Why are we talking about racist whites when 90% of blacks are voting Obama! The issue isn't racism, per se, rather it's a

[Vo]:bedini inside radiant energy

2008-09-24 Thread Esa Ruoho
just in case any of you are looking into that transient spike effect that bedini utilizes, you might be interested in this new trailer of a forthcoming dvd. http://merlib.org/?q=node/5857 Prompted by Oxford University mathematical physicist Dave Clements PhD, John shows us on the bench and on the

Re: [Vo]:The Mpemba Effect

2008-09-24 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:27 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Mpemba Effect On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: THIS ARTICLE APPEARS IN NEW SCIENTIST MAGAZINE ISSUE: 3 JUNE 2006 AUTHOR: MARCUS CHOWN

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect

2008-09-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Fink wrote: I'm a white guy who is certainly not racist. I did not say you were. I was talking about other people. Why should you protest? Ahh . . . Perhaps that means you ARE a closet racist . . . (In the modern age people who protest they are NOT X are automatically suspected of

[VO]:X PRIZE Foundation

2008-09-24 Thread R C Macaulay
Vid showing offer by XPrize , $25k for best alternate energy idea.. with an MIT backdrop , of course. http://www.xprize.org/ Richard

[Vo]:Fw: A new catalyst that directly converts cellulose...

2008-09-24 Thread Colin Quinney
Fwd to to Vo: Tungsten carbide as catalyst for cost-effective conversion of cellulose into industrially useful carbon compounds http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/005569.html http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/26737/home/press/200837press.html?CRETRY=1SRETRY=0 Alternatives to fossil

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect

2008-09-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Consequently, in an opinion poll they might SAY they'd vote for him, but then when they're all alone in the voting booth they'll vote the other way. This can skew the opinion polls to make Obama look more popular than he really is. Exactly right. That's the

Re: [Vo]:The Mpemba Effect

2008-09-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: has the effect actually been observed with distilled water? harry There have been many serious experiments done in laboratories. It is difficult to imagine *not* using distilled water in such controlled experiments, at least in some

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect

2008-09-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Meant: My guess is that Jeff Fink shares family values and has a similar background with Palin. Or if not, the GOP is trying hard to make him THINK she does. Voice input glitch? By the way, the newest version of Naturally Speaking voice input is astounding. Sorry if I am talking too much

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect

2008-09-24 Thread Jones Beene
BTW - although Palin was probably a positive choice for McCain, given all the demographics, it is turning out not to be anywhere near the brilliant strategy that it first seemed. He shoulda gone with Condi. I have a distinguished older friend who has never voted for a Democrat, and will not

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect

2008-09-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: . . . although Palin was probably a positive choice for McCain, given all the demographics, it is turning out not to be anywhere near the brilliant strategy that it first seemed. He shoulda gone with Condi. I have a distinguished older friend who has never voted for a

Re: [Vo]:The Mpemba Effect

2008-09-24 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 5:18 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Mpemba Effect On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: has the effect actually been observed with distilled water? harry There have been

Re: [Vo]:The Mpemba Effect

2008-09-24 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:33 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Mpemba Effect - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 5:18 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Mpemba

Re: [Vo]:The Mpemba Effect

2008-09-24 Thread Harry Veeder
Although it is shorter, here is aother good discussion http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/24493 harry

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect

2008-09-24 Thread Jeff Fink
_ From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:19 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect BTW - although Palin was probably a positive choice for McCain, given all the demographics, it

Re: [Vo]:Dilithium pt2 The Immaculate Conception

2008-09-24 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:04:01 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Cosmology: It should be noted that lithium is primordiual and was created in the big bang but carbon was not. [snip] The reaction:- He4 + D - Li6 + 1.47 MeV (gamma) has a very low reaction rate, but does

Re: [Vo]:Dilithium pt2 The Immaculate Conception

2008-09-24 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:25:27 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Admittedly, this is new territory and there is maybe a chance in a zillion that lithium has such an active bosonic unit (either a pair of atoms or more) - but - it could be worth a try to find out. The pair

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect

2008-09-24 Thread Edmund Storms
Please Jeff, spare us the political propaganda. We get a belly full of this from the candidates. The point you make is trivial and irrelevant to the problem. The press is doing the job they are paid to do. They provide information that we use to make a rational decision if we are

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect

2008-09-24 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jeff Fink's message of Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:19:42 -0400: Hi, [snip] The terrorists around the world are rooting for Obama. Doesn't that tell you something? Obama calls himself a Christian, but Qadhafi of Libya in a recent interview obviously considers him to be a Muslim in good