Re: [Vo]:People who invent a problem and then assume it must be real

Very wise idea, Jed. It has inspired me to formulate Rule No.20 of problem solving, in addition to http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/06/all-my-rules-of-problem-solving.html "*NOT *always* *the real, but many times, the imaginery problems are more difficult to resolve" Artificial problems can

[Vo]:The Dipole Blockaid error resend

I think that heavy Rydberg matter dipole shielding of the nickel nuclei allow protons to penetrate the nuclear coulomb barrier of nickel atoms. In Rydberg matter, this dipole shielding goes as the 7th power of the number of atoms in the Rydberg matter assemblages. This polarization of Rydberg mat

[Vo]:Hitler Panics Over Rossi's Energy Catalyzer

Check out the video linked on the following page. It's awesome! What do all of you think? Hitler Panics Over Rossi's Energy Catalyzer A parody compiled by Hank Mills has Hitler bemoaning: "If cold fusion technology hits the market place the oil industry will lose BILLIONS of dollars in profi

Re: [Vo]: Survey based on Steam Phase diagram...

Assuming the boiling is always happening at the same pressure, you can extend the horizontal line B-C to the temperature axis and treat that as the temperature of boiling. Wet steam is present only AT the temperature  of boiling. As long as the temperature of the vapour is just above the boiling

RE: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

I think one has to take into consideration the specific heat... think of the water as a big 'heat capacitor', and although it is at the boiling point (BP) at point 'B' on the graph, it absorbs a shitload more heat energy by the time it gets to point 'C' on the graph, imparting more and more ki

Re: [Vo]:Feedback, formally - Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

Abd, I agree with your proposal for sharing one's honest assessments, while always being open to consider evidence and reason on both sides of the issue -- in my case, I never require courteous sharings from others, only from myself... In mutual service, Rich

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:37 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson < svj.orionwo...@gmail.com>wrote: >From Josh, > > For brevity sake I'm just going to focus on the following: > > > I don't think the quality of the video is good enough to judge that. > > Fair enough. > > > Take a look at figure 2.2.3 o

Re: [Vo]:Electric generator configuration described [Copy 2]

Akira Shirakawa wrote: > > They have tested other liquids for higher temperature applications. I >> don't know what these other liquids are, but one of them reaches 414°C. >> > > Who says that it has to be a pressure of 1 bar? > For example at 35 bar the boiling point of ethylene glycol could be

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

The Kirvit video *might* be explained in terms of the Tarallo Water Diversion Fake: http://lenr.qumbu.com/fake_rossi_ecat_details_v323.php   Harry From: Jeff Driscoll >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2011 2:23:01 PM >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms > >it goe

Re: [Vo]:Electric generator configuration described [Copy 2]

On 2011-07-06 02:43, Jed Rothwell wrote: They have tested other liquids for higher temperature applications. I don't know what these other liquids are, but one of them reaches 414°C. Who says that it has to be a pressure of 1 bar? For example at 35 bar the boiling point of ethylene glycol could

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

>From Josh, For brevity sake I'm just going to focus on the following: > I don't think the quality of the video is good enough to judge that. Fair enough. > Take a look at figure 2.2.3 on the site Iverson just linked to. > Follow the constant pressure path ABCD. It indicates clearly that at >

Re: [Vo]:Electric generator configuration described [Copy 2]

I wrote: > It takes about 4 minutes for the reactors to go to maximum power. > I meant from stand-by mode. I don't know how long it takes from being fully off. A cold fusion power reactor would be left in stand-by mode I think. There is no need to turn it all the way off to save fuel, obviously

Re: [Vo]:Electric generator configuration described [Copy 2]

I only found this substance with a boiling point of 414C: http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/TR/tris(2-ethylhexyl)trimellitate.html http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=18725 Synonyms: 1,2,4-benzenetricarboxylic acid tris(2-ethylhexyl) ester, trioctyl trimellitate, tri-2-ethylhexyl tri

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

MISTer Joshua Cude, you are, as always, right... No evidence at all for excess heat production...

[Vo]:Electric generator configuration described [Copy 2]

Let me summarize some things here regarding electric power generation with the Defkalion reactors. This information is scattered around. Some is from my memory. Defkalion has made a number of comments in the White Paper and on their forum regarding the prospects for electric power generation. They

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 5:26 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson < svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > From Josh: > > This is not > > based so much on whether it's visible at the end of the > > hose, but on the speed and volume of the gas, once it > > does become visible. And in the case of the Lewan

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

>From Josh: > I'm arguing that if dry steam were coming out of the ecat > (corresponding to 5 kW total power), that most of it would > survive to the end of the hose, because I don't think more > than a few hundred watts could be radiated by the hose. > And that what comes out of that hose is comp

[Vo]:Larger 3.45 MW Defkalion reactor described

See: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=205&p=2762 Here is a message I posted which I believe clarifies the description. The gist of this is -- Defkalion will build large reactors made up of smaller ones ganged together, but the output from the smaller reactors will be mu

Re: [Vo]: Survey based on Steam Phase diagram...

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Mark Iverson wrote: > > Take a look at Fig. 2.2.3 (about 2/3rds of the way down the page) on this > website: > > http://www.spiraxsarco.com/resources/steam-engineering-tutorials/steam-engineering-principles-and-he > at-transfer/what-is-steam.asp > > There is a very

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:51 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson < svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Josh, Correct me if I'm wrong but I gather you believe (or are > convinced of the fact) that the videos you viewed proved that tiny > suspended condensed water droplets (mist) was observed being ex

[Vo]:People who invent a problem and then assume it must be real

Here is a message I sent yesterday. I do not think it went through. This calls to mind what someone said about 19th century German professors. They would sometimes invent a word from some complex conception. Then, having the word for the thing convinced them that the thing must exist. Over the la

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

Hello, To get an indication if all the water running through the ecat has been fully evaporated it would only be necessary to add a dye (e.g red colour) to the cold water in the tank. If the water in the black hose is completely clear it would be prove that all the water has been evaporated. T

Re: [Vo]:Feedback, formally - Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

>> Off topic: >> Steven, >> I sent you an email, did you receive it? Daniel, If you sent it to my gmail account... no I don't have it. If you sent it to a non-gmail address I won't get it till I get home. I don't tend to access my personal accounts at work. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.Or

[Vo]: Survey based on Steam Phase diagram...

Take a look at Fig. 2.2.3 (about 2/3rds of the way down the page) on this website: http://www.spiraxsarco.com/resources/steam-engineering-tutorials/steam-engineering-principles-and-he at-transfer/what-is-steam.asp There is a very clear explanation below the Figure... This is the best referen

Re: [Vo]:Feedback, formally - Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

> > Off topic: > Steven, > I sent you an email, did you receive it? >

Re: [Vo]:Feedback, formally - Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

At 01:38 PM 7/4/2011, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: [with some personal history, which I very much appreciate, there are valuable lessons for all of us in this, so I sincerely thank Steven for sharing this, there is some historical pain there.) As to Driscoll -- and myself-- some

RE: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

I wrote: "and where does that released latent heat GO?" To which Jeff replied: "It goes into colder water entering the ecat" So, let me get this straight... The above statement is what you think is the most likely 'sink' for the heat energy released when a number of vapor particles give off som

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

I was always taught that, technically speaking, "steam" is an invisible gas. However, most of us quite naturally tend to only notice the clouds of water vapor condensing out from the invisible "steam" as it cools. We tend to incorrectly associate, in the visual sense, those tiny suspended condensed

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

This is why one should look at the general appearance of a 2 fluid flow to draw a conclusion.

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Joshua Cude > wrote: > > > Wrong. Steam can be wet. > > No sir. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam > > Ahem. >From the very article you reference, "A gas can only contain a certain amount of steam (the

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

it goes into colder water entering the ecat - but I contend that the following possibilites exist for fakery 1. large slugs of water are spit through the black hose and down the drain 2. the water stays in the Ecat and never leaves it 3. the input water is not measured correctly intentionally (fr

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Really, the water exits the reactor by a mechanical method. > The water, in whatever state, is forced through by a pump. That's a mechanical method. > > The water either overflows the pipe as a liquid or leaves as a gas. > Or it leaves as

RE: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

Jeff wrote: "...it can condense into microscopic droplets while giving up latent heat (heat of vaporization)" Agreed, and where does that released latent heat GO? -Mark -Original Message- From: Jeff Driscoll [mailto:hcarb...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:37 AM To: vortex-

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

Really, the water exits the reactor by a mechanical method. Oh, it splashed out of the reactor!! Why did I not think of that? No wait! The molecules grew cilia and it walked out of the reactor! The water either overflows the pipe as a liquid or leaves as a gas. Indeed it will be condensed an

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > Drop a stone into a pond to prove that this is wrong. Or check out a > cool-mist humidifier. Turbulent boiling water also produces liquid droplets > that are carried into the air by the vapor. > Steam can be wet. Live with it. OMG Cude! You

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Jeff Driscoll wrote: > it leaves the surface as a gaseous form but then it can condense into > microscopic droplets while giving up latent heat (heat of > vaporization) > > what thermodynamic point was incorrect? Many people seem to claim that the water was not tur

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > > Steam can be wet. Live with it. > > Water cannot leave the surface of water. It must be in a gaseous > form. Drop a stone into a pond to prove that this is wrong. Or check out a co

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Only inside the hose. Outside it, it is clean. Why should it change as it leaves the hose? > Either way, both at horizontal and vertical inclinations of the hose, at > 100C and 6m/s, no more than 15% of the mass can be in the liquid stat

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

it leaves the surface as a gaseous form but then it can condense into microscopic droplets while giving up latent heat (heat of vaporization) what thermodynamic point was incorrect? On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > >> St

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > Steam can be wet. Live with it. Water cannot leave the surface of water. It must be in a gaseous form. Learn some thermodynamics, Cude. Each molecule that escapes the intermolecular forces takes with it that amount of kinetic energy. T

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

Only inside the hose. Outside it, it is clean. Either way, both at horizontal and vertical inclinations of the hose, at 100C and 6m/s, no more than 15% of the mass can be in the liquid state without at least some kind of squirting be constantly be pouring out of the house.

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Wet steam just exist when there is a 2-fluid flow, No, it can exist under a variety of condtions. > Steam is dry. Some steam is dry. Some steam is wet. You just admitted steam can be wet above.

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > > Steam can be wet. Live with it. > > Semantics, I know; but, wet steam is not steam: > > steam > [steem] > –noun > 1. > water in the form of an invisible gas or vapor. > > Water in the form of an invisible gas or vapor can have droplets sus

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

Wet steam just exist when there is a 2-fluid flow, this is why wikipedia talks about machines. Steam is dry.

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

> Steam can be wet. Live with it. Semantics, I know; but, wet steam is not steam: steam [steem] –noun 1. water in the form of an invisible gas or vapor.

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Joshua Cude > wrote: > > > Wrong. Steam can be wet. > > No sir. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam > > Yes Sir. From that article: "but such wet-steam conditions have to be limited to avoid excessive tu

[Vo]:Of interest to experimenters

http://www.qsinano.com/new/qsi_nano_nickel_ni_5_oct_09.pdf <>

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: > Wrong. Steam can be wet. No sir. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam

[Vo]:Cold Fusion-"new" interview with Professor Hagelstein

Greetings Vortex-L: Re: Hagelstein I haven t seen this cold fusion post before on Vortex. Also the ecat of Professor Rossi is cited at the bottom of the page: http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1872&category=Science Respectfully, Ron Kita , Chiralex

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > All steam is dry steam when it leaves the surface of water by > definition. Where is this definition given? There are very clear, well-defined, concepts related to steam, dry steam, wet steam, and steam quality. A simple google search will

Re: [Vo]:Test

Vortex was down for most of yesterday. I am subscribed to the Eskimo yahoo list. If any member ever wants to find out what's doin' with Vortex list, you may send me a email directly. Also, you can also check the archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/ to see if Eskimo is ech

[Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- plaintext version

I am having trouble getting messages through. Here is one converted to plaintext. Here is an interesting comment from the forum. I think the direct link is: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=148&p=2609#p2609 I am going to go through all of the moderator's comments and ass

Re: [Vo]:Test

I have seen your message peter On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Cannot connect to Vortex. > >- Transcript of session follows - > flist: Couldn't chdir to "/userspace/smartlist" > 550 5.3.0 "|flist vortex-l"... Cannot open input > > > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj,

[Vo]:Test

Cannot connect to Vortex. - Transcript of session follows - flist: Couldn't chdir to "/userspace/smartlist" 550 5.3.0 "|flist vortex-l"... Cannot open input

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Where is Galantini quoted? Look at what he gave to Krivit: > http://blog.newenergytimes.**com/2011/06/20/galantini-** > sends-e-mail-about-rossi-**steam-measurements-today/

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

All steam is dry steam when it leaves the surface of water by definition. Molecules of water must achieve sufficient kinetic energy to overcome the intermolecular forces of liquid water. Statistically, some molecules are able to achieve this at room temperature; so, water will evaporate. Immedia

Re: [Vo]:INFORMAVORE's SUNDAY No. 462

Thanks Terry, I was convinced about what this study says- with some timidity Peter On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 4:05 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: > > My dear friends, > > I have just posted INFORMAVORE's SUNDAY No. 462 > > at Ego > > Out- > http://egoo

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > Experts in those meters such as Galantini say you are wrong. > I don't believe Galantini is an expert in those meters. And anyway, academics can be wrong. > The manufacturer's brochure says you are wrong. > No. They make no claim about

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Jeff Driscoll wrote: > > Rossi has not done a definitive test. I don't trust him on his input >> mass flow rate (2 grams per second) . . . > > > You don't trust that he can read a digital weight scale? > I don't trust that he would report i

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > *1. Not all of the water is turned to steam.* > > > > If applied power is making all of steam, the following would be observed. > > > > Applied power = 745 watt > > Flow rate = 7 liter/hr = 1.94 g/sec > > Power to heat water to 100° = 73°*

Re: [Vo]:INFORMAVORE's SUNDAY No. 462

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 4:05 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: > My dear friends, > I have just posted INFORMAVORE's SUNDAY No. 462 > at Ego > Out- http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/07/informavores-sunday-no-462.html > An excellent issue- a proof the the World is interesting and active and the > Web > is

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion-the Economist Magazine + CNET ??

In reply to Alan J Fletcher's message of Wed, 29 Jun 2011 18:23:13 -0700: Hi, [snip] Based upon conversion of only Ni62 & Ni64 to Cu63 & Cu65 respectively, & an electrical energy value of 5 cents / kWh (@30% conversion efficiency), I calculate a Ni value of $2085/kg. The current price of Ni is USD

Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to "movie professor" and Peter Ekstrom's analysis

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: > Peter Ekstrom's analysis: > “the E-Cat does not produce excess Energy”. > http://www.fysik.org/WebSite/fragelada/resurser/cold_fusion_krivit.pdf > > > > Rossi responds to Peter Ekstrom's analysis: > http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/

Re: [Vo]:STOP obsessing about the meter. It makes no difference!!!

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Look, suppose for the sake of argument you are right. Suppose the steam is > much wetter than Galantini thought. It makes no difference! It cannot be > so wet there is no anomalous heat. > But a small amount of anomalous heat is much less per

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 11:09 PM 7/3/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > <a**b...@lomaxdesign.com> >> wrote: >> >> Galantini has never said that "steam quality can be measured with a >> relative humidity meter

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > >> >> >>> Nor does the manufacturer's brochure assert that steam quality can be >>> measured with their equipment . . . >> >> >> It said the equipment measures enthalpy. You can't do t

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

At 11:09 PM 7/3/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote: Galantini has never said that "steam quality can be measured with a relative humidity meter." Not that I've seen. Of course he did! He gave the model number and the type

[Vo]:Feedback, formally - Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

Some personal thoughts on Jeff Driscoll's recently expressed concerns - originally derived from subject thread: "Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms", such as: ... > Does anybody on Vortex agree with my previous email > to Vortex about the capacitance probe? It can only > sense the parti

[Vo]:Defkalion Board of Directors

>From their web site: Directors: George Sortikos, born 1942 – Chairman Engineer. Ex banker and industrialist (high tech ceramics). Ex president of the state owned Greek Industrial Investment Bank (ETBA) in 80-90s and founder of Omega Bank.(90s) George Xanthoulis, born in 1987 – Deputy Chairman,

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > >> Nor does the manufacturer's brochure assert that steam quality can be >> measured with their equipment . . . > > > It said the equipment measures enthalpy. You can't do that unless you know > the quality of the steam. It also said that t