[Vo]:Rossi's London address may be a "virtual office" or mail drop

2011-11-16 Thread Mary Yugo
>From ecatnews.com: "Today the site looks reasonably professional, having had a makeover and now claims to be the first site in the world to be taking offical orders for Rossi’s eCat technology. Upon subscribing to their newsletter, the confirmation email conatins the following address: ECAT.COM

[Vo]:New european commercial E-Cat Offer

2011-11-16 Thread peter . heckert
See: http://www.transaltec.ch/facma/design.php?design=2 This is in German language. Trans Altec AG, Switzerland is offering E-Cats. Transaltec AG belongs to Ing Adolf Schneider. He is a real engineer, studied at university. He previously advertised Mike Brady's magnetmotors in the "NET" magazine

[Vo]:How expensive is testing Widom-Larsen theory?

2011-11-16 Thread pagnucco
I am not an experimentalist, but is testing W-L theory expensive? If we forget about measuring heat, several of Larsen's presentations may provide enough details for experiments that could yield transmutations. See, for example - "Lattice Energy LLC- Mystery of the Missing Nickel and Vanadium-No

Re: [Vo]:What motivated AR to take Widom Larsen theory seriously?

2011-11-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: Does AR wants Krivit to be discredited if he fails with the ecat? Or is it > a technical motivation? The latter, I am sure. AR and I do not give a fart about what Krivit thinks about theory, or anything else. Why would he support a physical theory he finds unconvincing? He w

Re: [Vo]:Blank Run Protocol

2011-11-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: It would be if Rossi wasn't pouring power into the smaller E-cat > continuously . . . > 1. "Pour" has no technical meaning in this context. Perhaps you mean "supply a lot of power." If that is what you mean, you are wrong. Input power is much smaller than output, and there is no

[Vo]:What motivated AR to take Widom Larsen theory seriously?

2011-11-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
Does AR wants Krivit to be discredited if he fails with the ecat? Or is it a technical motivation? Here is the link: http://ecat.com/ecat-technology/ecat-science

Re: [Vo]:Blank Run Protocol

2011-11-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Alan J Fletcher wrote: > > 4. Rossi purges the core, eg with air or Nitrogen, until there is a very >> small chance of hydrogen being left. >> > > That can be hard to do, and really hard to know if you have succeeded. It > might take a coupl

Re: [Vo]:Stremmenos seems to be upset at U of Bologna

2011-11-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Man on Bridges wrote: > However Greek and Italian are both socalled SOV languages, so that could > possibly make things a lot easier for both of them as they both can remain > in the SOV pattern, > while for them to communicate in English they both have to go from SOV to > SVO and vice versa. >

Re: [Vo]:Is it a Bird? Is it a Plane?

2011-11-16 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 17-11-2011 2:53, Terry Blanton wrote: Yessir, looks just like one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aero_Spacelines_Super_Guppy Hmmm, don't you think this one looks a lot better ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_Beluga Kind regards, MoB

Re: [Vo]:Is it a Bird? Is it a Plane?

2011-11-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:51 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > Actually, it looks to me like a male guppy following after a female guppy... > I know these things. As a small child with an aquarium, I raised a lot of > guppies. Yessir, looks just like one: http://en.wikipedia.org/

Re: [Vo]:Stremmenos seems to be upset at U of Bologna

2011-11-16 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 17-11-2011 2:19, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 05:02 PM 11/16/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote By the way, Stremmenos writes in difficult Italian, even for native speakers. HE thinks in Greek, which he then translates to Italian. Rossi does the same thing with Italian/English. I wonder how the

Re: [Vo]:Blank Run Protocol

2011-11-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher wrote: 4. Rossi purges the core, eg with air or Nitrogen, until there is a very > small chance of hydrogen being left. > That can be hard to do, and really hard to know if you have succeeded. It might take a couple of weeks. Ed Storms devised automatic equipment to do something l

Re: [Vo]:Blank Run Protocol

2011-11-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Coming in late on the blank debate. I have no objection to a blank, but if I only had limited time I'd go with a longer live-run, particularly if self-sustained. But if you WANT a blank/dry run, I suggest the following protocol. 1. Rossi prepares the ecat, charged with Nickel and Hydrogen 2.

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says > 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Berke Durak
Joshua Cude wrote: > Actually, even if you trust F. about the energy during the run the > data is entirely consistent with no excess heat. Not according to Ny Teknik's "This is how the test was done" box at http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3303682.ece > Subtracting the e

Re: [Vo]:Bowing out of the discussion for a while

2011-11-16 Thread Mary Yugo
Before you go, if you have a moment, did I answer your objection to the blank test understandably (if not satisfactorily). I want to be sure I didn't misunderstand you (again).

Re: [Vo]:Detailed exposed of the e-cat scam.

2011-11-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > ** > > > On 11-11-16 06:16 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: > > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > >> I don't really see an exothermic reaction with hydrogen as a problem. >> The error would be in favor of Rossi and I

[Vo]:Bowing out of the discussion for a while

2011-11-16 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
I've got too much other stuff I'm not getting too, and the Rossi discussion is looking to be interminable. If my will power falters I'll unsubscribe for a while; absent that I'll be trying to ignore goings-on here, partly in the no doubt vain hope that something will have been resolved when I

Re: [Vo]:Stremmenos seems to be upset at U of Bologna

2011-11-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > > So yes, it appears to me he is upset at the U of Bologna. > By the way, Stremmenos writes in difficult Italian, even for native > speakers. > > Cheers, > S.A. > > Thanks, SA. I think he's Greek which may explain the difficult Italian. R

Re: [Vo]:Stremmenos seems to be upset at U of Bologna

2011-11-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 05:02 PM 11/16/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote By the way, Stremmenos writes in difficult Italian, even for native speakers. HE thinks in Greek, which he then translates to Italian. Rossi does the same thing with Italian/English. I wonder how they manage to get along!

Re: [Vo]:Detailed exposed of the e-cat scam.

2011-11-16 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-11-16 06:16 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence > wrote: I don't really see an exothermic reaction with hydrogen as a problem. The error would be in favor of Rossi and I am happy to accept it if (and only if) h

Re: [Vo]:Swedish Radio

2011-11-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher wrote: Final version 1 is at > http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_**ecat_eai_table.php Good job. It is hard to keep track of these details, isn't it? - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Swedish Radio

2011-11-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Final version 1 is at http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_eai_table.php I added Krivit's demo, Links, Mat's emails and a few details.

RE: [Vo]:When faced with reality

2011-11-16 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed, Thank you for taking some time out to answer this query. A willingness to share your knowledge of certain historical events is much appreciated. Regarding Rossi, will history repeat itself, again? I suspect we must wait for some more shoes to drop for the definitive answer. All I can say is

Re: [Vo]:Stremmenos seems to be upset at U of Bologna

2011-11-16 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-11-17 01:32, Mary Yugo wrote: Google translate is difficult -- maybe we have an Italian speaker here? Stremmenos is perplexed at the matters regarding the contract signed between EFA and the University of Bologna, and the pressure the University is receiving from many to rescind from

RE: [Vo]:Is it a Bird? Is it a Plane?

2011-11-16 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Good heavens! This video is suggesting the possibly of an extraterrestrial craft closely tailing a military aircraft? Are they serious??? Whatever. Actually, it looks to me like a male guppy following after a female guppy... I know these things. As a small child with an aquarium, I raised a lot of

Re: [Vo]:Stremmenos seems to be upset at U of Bologna

2011-11-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
Oh, I just checked the website. That is a letter published in a journal, http://www.soc.chim.it/riviste/chimica_industria, in April 1999. It is not related to the ecat. 2011/11/16 Daniel Rocha > I understood something slightly different. UB was blackmailed to have the > funding of many of its pr

[Vo]:granular nickel

2011-11-16 Thread fznidarsic
costs $900/lb..where can I find cheaper.

Re: [Vo]:Stremmenos seems to be upset at U of Bologna

2011-11-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
I understood something slightly different. UB was blackmailed to have the funding of many of its projects cut if it proceeded to test the e-cat. 2011/11/16 Mary Yugo > Google translate is difficult -- maybe we have an Italian speaker here? > > As I read it (badly in translation) it seems Stremme

[Vo]:Stremmenos seems to be upset at U of Bologna

2011-11-16 Thread Mary Yugo
Google translate is difficult -- maybe we have an Italian speaker here? As I read it (badly in translation) it seems Stremmenos is saying he can't understand why U of B won't proceed to test Rossi's machine without being given money. I wonder he realizes they probably haven't been given an E-cat

[Vo]:nominate Rossi opps changed password

2011-11-16 Thread fznidarsic
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/awards/2012

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says > 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 03:24 PM 11/16/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: 2)  Take a look at the exhaust cap.  A genset running full bore vent cap will be at a 90 degree angle to the exhaust pipe.  In Mat's vid, it looks to be at about 80 degrees or less.  A genset exhaust vent cap will open this wide on idle.  Sure, a small

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says > 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Joshua Cude > wrote: > > > Do you have a photo of the same model genset running full bore? The hinge > > may only open to 80 degrees. (A peripheral point, to be sure, because > > nuclear reactions are not ne

Re: [Vo]:thin Ni layer at center of reactor core. was Official ECAT site, finally?

2011-11-16 Thread Ron Wormus
If I recall correctly H2 is an excellent thermal conductor. Most large steam turbine generators use Hydrogen for cooling. Ron --On Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:25 PM -0500 francis wrote: Daniel, It appears to contain new information that- if correct- will make for inter

Re: [Vo]:Imputing pressure at the output thermocouple for Rossi's Oct 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:58 PM, James Bowery wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:41 PM, James Bowery wrote: > >> I recall the manometer registered 3 bar, which is 300kPa which >> corresponds to a potential liquid water temperature of 130C at the exit >> from the reaction vessel. This doesn't

Re: [Vo]:Rossi ecat website - confused

2011-11-16 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 16-11-2011 12:22, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Andrea Rossi, if you read this forum, as I believe you do, take that web site down as it is not helping to tell your story. Do not let Sterling or any body else hijack your story. It is your to tell. That's probably also the reason why they (An

Re: [Vo]:Imputing pressure at the output thermocouple for Rossi's Oct 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:41 PM, James Bowery wrote: > > I recall the manometer registered 3 bar, > Where? I didn't see any reference to pressure inside the conduits in the Oct 28 ecat, but I might have missed it. which is 300kPa which corresponds to a potential liquid water temperature > of 1

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Mary Yugo
"ECAT.com interviews Mats Lewan" I don't think I would call it an interview. It's a monologue. And a not very good one at that. http://ecat.com/ecat-videos/ecat-com-interviews-mats-lewan

Re: [Vo]:Imputing pressure at the output thermocouple for Rossi's Oct 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:19 PM, James Bowery wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:12 AM, James Bowery wrote: >> >>> OK, I've now conceived of how the temperature is stabilized without >>> feedback control, and it doesn't require

RE: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Robert Leguillon
Refresh my memory. If I recall correctly: 1) ecat.com had videos from the recent demonstrations, and is now officially affiliated 2) e-cat.com began with the "Countdown to October", then it had the "We've got Ssssteam Heat" video, and then was redirected to Google "Green" Is that right? >

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: >> Dear Frank Acland: >> Yes, it is the website of our North Europe commercial Branch. >> Warm Regards, >> A.R. > > Cheers, > S.A. LOL! Yep, damn good web site, it is! T

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says > 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > Do you have a photo of the same model genset running full bore? The hinge > may only open to 80 degrees. (A peripheral point, to be sure, because > nuclear reactions are not needed to explain the observations even if the > genset had been shut

Re: [Vo]:Andrea rossi confirm ECAT.com is official

2011-11-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:30 PM, David ledin wrote: > Frank Acland > November 16th, 2011 at 3:34 PM > > Dear Andrea Rossi, > > The site http://www.ecat.com is now saying it is “In Association with > Andrea Rossi”. They have an order form for E-Cats, also. Do you have > an official relationship wit

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 17-11-2011 0:17, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Well, it appears it is: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510&cpage=33#comment-121582 Dear Frank Acland: Yes, it is the website of our North Europe commercial Branch. Warm Regards, A.R. This looks really very good and professional, in

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says > 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > > > Ackshully, looks more like 450 kVA. > > Even is it is a 470 kVA genset, some of the skeptics are likely wrong > because: > > 1) The measured thermal heat was 479 kW. A 470 kVA ge

[Vo]:Andrea rossi confirm ECAT.com is official

2011-11-16 Thread David ledin
Frank Acland November 16th, 2011 at 3:34 PM Dear Andrea Rossi, The site http://www.ecat.com is now saying it is “In Association with Andrea Rossi”. They have an order form for E-Cats, also. Do you have an official relationship with this site? Thank you! Best wishes, Frank Acland # Andrea Ro

[Vo]:nominate Rossi

2011-11-16 Thread fznidarsic
http://mail.aol.com/34561-111/aol-6/en-us/mail/DisplayMessage.aspx?ws_popup=true

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says > 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Ackshully, looks more like 450 kVA. Even is it is a 470 kVA genset, some of the skeptics are likely wrong because: 1) The measured thermal heat was 479 kW. A 470 kVA genset will not constantly provide 479 kW and also run the ancillary pu

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: We should call this the Mary Yugo school of logic. That which cannot be > tested or falsified must be true. > Straw man as well as unfair and wrong. Doesn't suit you.

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-11-17 00:09, Terry Blanton wrote: I do not think this is AR's web site. Well, it appears it is: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510&cpage=33#comment-121582 Dear Frank Acland: Yes, it is the website of our North Europe commercial Branch. Warm Regards, A.R. Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Detailed exposed of the e-cat scam.

2011-11-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > ** > I don't really see an exothermic reaction with hydrogen as a problem. The > error would be in favor of Rossi and I am happy to accept it if (and only > if) he runs so long that it's accounted for... > > Oh get real. You just made

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Akira Shirakawa wrote: > >> That's why somebody should ask Rossi if this website is really what it >> makes it appear to be: > > Good idea. I asked him. I do not think this is AR's web site. It's just too clean, contains no current reference

Re: [Vo]:Detailed exposed of the e-cat scam.

2011-11-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > Or maybe cold fusion has yet to be properly demonstrated and the sincere >> researchers are looking at errors and noise. >> > > You can only believe that if you refuse to look at the data, or if you do > not understand

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says > 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Berke Durak wrote: >>> >>> Genset output was 66 kWh ie 238 MJ. >> >> How do we know the genset output?  It's probably capable of 8x that much. > >

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says > 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Berke Durak wrote: >> >> Genset output was 66 kWh ie 238 MJ. > > How do we know the genset output?  It's probably capable of 8x that much. 470 kVA from the nameplate in Sterling's vid. T <>

Re: [Vo]:Detailed exposed of the e-cat scam.

2011-11-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > >> The trouble is that H2(gas)+Ni(powder) reacts exothermically, as the >> hydrogen is adsorbed onto the nickel. This means that a blank run using, >> say, nitrogen in place of hydrogen can be expected to prod

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
That websites promotes WL as an explanation for the ecat and also links to Jed's library, directly to a pdf link. 2011/11/16 Jed Rothwell > Akira Shirakawa wrote: > > That's why somebody should ask Rossi if this website is really what it >> makes it appear to be: >> > > Good idea. I asked him.

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa wrote: That's why somebody should ask Rossi if this website is really what it makes it appear to be: Good idea. I asked him. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says > 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> How do we know the genset output? It's probably capable of 8x that much. >> > > We do not know the output. We have to trust that Fioravaniti is telling > the truth. There is no way to independently verify this test.

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says > 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Berke Durak wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Joshua Cude > wrote: > > Excess, or stored, or chemically produced? > > As Albert said, the ecats were heated for 2 hours beforehand, and the > power > > was not given, but at 250 kW input for 2 hours, less an

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says > 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: > Genset output was 66 kWh ie 238 MJ. >> > > How do we know the genset output? It's probably capable of 8x that much. > We do not know the output. We have to trust that Fioravaniti is telling the truth. There is no way to independently verify this test. The previous tests wer

Re: [Vo]:Detailed exposed of the e-cat scam.

2011-11-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > 2011/11/16 Mary Yugo : > > The purpose of a blank/calibration run, I say *again*, is to validate the > > measuring method and equipment. I know of no other iron clad way to do > > that. Without it, arguments about dryness of steam and the

Re: [Vo]:Detailed exposed of the e-cat scam.

2011-11-16 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-11-16 05:32 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence > wrote: There are actually some technical difficulties with a "blank run" in the Rossi E-cat. Wet cold fusion researchers sometimes have used H2O in a "blank"

Re: [Vo]:Detailed exposed of the e-cat scam.

2011-11-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > There are actually some technical difficulties with a "blank run" in the > Rossi E-cat. > > Wet cold fusion researchers sometimes have used H2O in a "blank" run, and > compared evolved heat using D2O with the blank output. If the D2O

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Heckert wrote: What site do you mean? Which site was "disauthorized" by Rossi? Do you mean > Allan's site? > > Browse Rossis Forum for it. > I find it impossible to look for things in is forum! > I have see it it was accepting preliminary orders for ecats and had prices. > Rossi warned.

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says > 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Berke Durak wrote: > > Genset output was 66 kWh ie 238 MJ. > How do we know the genset output? It's probably capable of 8x that much.

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat's Big Scientific Coincidence?

2011-11-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:46 AM, David Roberson wrote: > The heater is hidden within the heat sink device is close contact with the > core. > On the original E-cat with the copper tubing, the main heater is a standard industrial unit strapped around the outer tube. As such, it can only heat t

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor : no bottom fins, parallel cores

2011-11-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
a) Why no bottom heat exchanger fins? Rossi said a long time ago that the Gamma thermalization was partly in the lead shielding. In the original tubular ecats the lead was probably in contact with the copper pipe. I would expect the bottom lead to need fins. (I'd put them back, with a "?")

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-11-16 22:57, Peter Heckert wrote: [...] This is not a professional commercial site, regardless if Rossi approves it or not. I see there still are problems. What I meant however is that this one not only looks better than Allan's, but shows the information I'd expect to see in the rig

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 16.11.2011 23:06, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de>> wrote: Could be a scam to collect high valued commercial email adresses, but only naive persons will send their official company adress to them. Such a scam was some weeks ago and it was di

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Heckert wrote: > Could be a scam to collect high valued commercial email adresses, > but only naive persons will send their official company adress to them. > Such a scam was some weeks ago and it was disauthorized by Rossi himself > soon. > What site do you mean? Which site was "disauth

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 16.11.2011 22:44, schrieb Akira Shirakawa: On 2011-11-16 21:49, David ledin wrote: look professional http://ecat.com/ This one does look like a proper corporate website. It's also surprisingly informative and it seems it will be regularly updated too on this aspect. Way to go! I w

Re: [Vo]:Detailed exposed of the e-cat scam.

2011-11-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: If so, the entire scientific community must be incredibly obstinate or the proof for cold fusion isn't very good or some combination of both. It is entirely the first. That is true of all other examples in which the scientific establishment rejected claims for years or deca

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

2011-11-16 Thread James Bowery
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:59 AM, James Bowery wrote: > >> >> The pseudoskeptics are basically saying that all we have to do is look at >> the circumstantial evidence to know that even cursory investigation of the >> direct evidence of the

Re: [Vo]:thin Ni layer at center of reactor core. was Official ECAT site, finally?

2011-11-16 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 16.11.2011 22:25, schrieb francis: Daniel, It appears to contain new information that- if correct- will make for interesting discussion. [snip]The fuel, Nickel of very fine granularity + Hydrogen + catalyst, is placed in a thin layer at the center of the reactor core.[/sni

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-11-16 21:49, David ledin wrote: look professional http://ecat.com/ This one does look like a proper corporate website. It's also surprisingly informative and it seems it will be regularly updated too on this aspect. Way to go! I wonder if it's Rossi-approved, just to be sure.

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says > 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Robert Lynn
Iron is far from the best heat storage medium. Graphite can store up to 1.5kWh/kg or nearly 3kWh/l in a vacuum enclosure. 1.5GJ from 50 modules would only require about 16kg or 8 liters per module. There are also a lot of high heat of fusion materials: LiH that requires about 1.6kWh/kg to heat f

Re: [Vo]:Oct 28 Condenser Problem

2011-11-16 Thread James Bowery
Erratum: "One channel" -> "The seven channels" On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Examining the condenser, the condenser channels are horizontal pipes in a > vertical array. It _appears_ as though each of 7 channels does one > round-trip, returning on the pipe just below.

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
That's much better. I like this better than Defkalion's site. That one isn't bad, but this one has better content and better code. This shows that Rossi knows how to do PR right. He says he was too busy to evaluate Allan's site. I believe he must have been, since he dumped that site and went with

[Vo]:thin Ni layer at center of reactor core. was Official ECAT site, finally?

2011-11-16 Thread francis
Daniel, It appears to contain new information that- if correct- will make for interesting discussion. [snip] The fuel, Nickel of very fine granularity + Hydrogen + catalyst, is placed in a thin layer at the center of the reactor core.[/snip] How can the heat be generated in the cen

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Joe Hughes
yeah looks real nice. I'm very impressed. On 11/16/2011 03:50 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: I already posted this, LOL! 2011/11/16 David ledin > look professional http://ecat.com/

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat's Big Scientific Coincidence?

2011-11-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:53 PM 11/16/2011, James Bowery wrote: The Ni Curie temperature may explain it.  The core temperature is what I am thinking about when I talk about the "coincidence" (understanding that we don't have direct read-outs from it).  So if it is some sort of ferromagnetic transition phenomenon, th

Re: [Vo]:Detailed exposed of the e-cat scam.

2011-11-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > The trouble is that H2(gas)+Ni(powder) reacts exothermically, as the > hydrogen is adsorbed onto the nickel. This means that a blank run using, > say, nitrogen in place of hydrogen can be expected to produce *less* > *measured* *heat* than the H2 run . . . Yup. Th

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says > 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Berke Durak
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > Excess, or stored, or chemically produced? > As Albert said, the ecats were heated for 2 hours beforehand, and the power > was not given, but at 250 kW input for 2 hours, less an average of (at most) > 35 kW output during that time, that gives

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat's Big Scientific Coincidence?

2011-11-16 Thread James Bowery
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > At 11:32 AM 11/16/2011, James Bowery wrote: > >> Is there a plausible explanation for why the temperature at which >> reaction initiates in the E-Cat just happens to be so close to the boiling >> point of water? >> > > Mostly coincidence,

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
I already posted this, LOL! 2011/11/16 David ledin > look professional > > http://ecat.com/ > >

Re: [Vo]:Official ECAT site, finally?

2011-11-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
WTF THEY MENTION WIDOM LARSEN THEORY AS THE THEORY FOR THE E-CAT!!! http://ecat.com/ecat-technology/ecat-science 2011/11/16 Daniel Rocha > They even link directly to Jed Rothwell's website: > > http://ecat.com/ecat-technology > > I hope he doesn't mind giving out some free bandwidth! :

[Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

2011-11-16 Thread David ledin
look professional http://ecat.com/

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says > 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Berke Durak wrote: > So you have water in the two 1000 l reservoirs with an average temperature > of > ~18 degrees (Celsius). > > Output temperature was 104.5 C average. > > I don't give a damn about steam. I presume the boiler wasn't operating at > sub-atmosphe

Re: [Vo]:Official ECAT site, finally?

2011-11-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
They even link directly to Jed Rothwell's website: http://ecat.com/ecat-technology I hope he doesn't mind giving out some free bandwidth! :) 2011/11/16 Daniel Rocha > This is the old ecat.com domain, that one with the videos about the > October's experiments. Now, it was refurbished and it loo

[Vo]:Official ECAT site, finally?

2011-11-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
This is the old ecat.com domain, that one with the videos about the October's experiments. Now, it was refurbished and it looks like really an official website. http://ecat.com/

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat's Big Scientific Coincidence?

2011-11-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery wrote: Is there a plausible explanation for why the temperature at which reaction > initiates in the E-Cat just happens to be so close to the boiling point of > water? > The water never goes above 100°C because it is at one atmosphere. It boils. In the Defkalion system, they use ano

Re: [Vo]:Swedish Radio

2011-11-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
That link got snipped away : I haven't answered that yet --- but I've prepared a table of Experiments/Attendees and Instruments http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_eai_table.php which IMHO substantially supports my comment. Comments, clarifications and corrections are appreciated.

Re: [Vo]:Detailed exposed of the e-cat scam.

2011-11-16 Thread Rich Murray
Mary Yugo's recent cogent comments re blank runs are here replicated for emphasis: You keep saying that but it's not correct. The purpose of controls (more precisely, blank runs in which nuclear fuel is left out but an electrical heater is providing comparable power) is to demonstrate that the mea

Re: [Vo]:When faced with reality

2011-11-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Regarding the Right Brothers, when proof became irrefutable that > their contraption could fly under power, how did some of the most > ardent (and well known) skeptics deal with the news? I'm curious as to > what kind of follow-up might have been performed on

Re: [Vo]:Swedish Radio

2011-11-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:52 AM 11/16/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: I haven't answered that yet --- but I've prepared a table of Experiments/Attendees and Instruments http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_eai_table.php which IMHO substantially supports my comment. Comments, clarifications and corrections are appreciate

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat's Big Scientific Coincidence?

2011-11-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:32 AM 11/16/2011, James Bowery wrote: Is there a plausible explanation for why the temperature at which reaction initiates in the E-Cat just happens to be so close to the boiling point of water? Mostly coincidence, but it also represents the point at which the entire system has heated u

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

2011-11-16 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-11-15 03:32 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: Owners yes. Users no. And MAC address? You put your MAC address in your email headers? What on Earth for? (FWIW that's the address (in known space-time) of your network card, and it's not necessarily mapped 1:1 or even 1:n to user IDs, as a sing

[Vo]:Swedish Radio

2011-11-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
The discussion on the Swedish Radio issue has concentrated on the "scam" elements. Krivit : Swedish Public Radio Turns Spotlight on Lewan and Ny Teknik < http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/12/swedish-public-radio-turns-spotlight-on-lewan-and-ny-teknik/ > Source: Radio Sweden < http://sveriges

Re: [Vo]:High school physics says > 1 GJ excess energy for the Oct. 28 demo

2011-11-16 Thread Albert
You forgot to add the energy deposited during the heating period, about 2 hours, before the demonstration started the self-sustained mode.

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat's Big Scientific Coincidence?

2011-11-16 Thread David Roberson
Actually, the initiation temperature is much above 100 C. The heater is hidden within the heat sink device is close contact with the core. Dave -Original Message- From: James Bowery To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:35 pm Subject: [Vo]:E-Cat's Big Scientific Coincidence? Is

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