The Shukla-Eliasson effect states that a negatively charged potential makes
it possible to combine positively charged particles (ions) in atom-like
structures within the plasma.
In a quantum plasmas that form at the nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical
effects gain significance, the plasma
The PA of Soininen triggered me again to try finding any published PAs
assigned to Defkalion.
But I can't find any.
They might file any IP under another assignee than Defkalion, but even
then there is no sign of any of their potential IP.
Since both Soininen and Defkalion mentioned Rydberg, very
They just talk about Rydberg state in this paper no one see their
patent until now.
http://www.buildecat.com/blog_detail/defkalion-technical-characteristics-of-defkalion%E2%80%99s-hyperion-pre-industrial-product-97.html
On 7/7/13, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote:
The PA of
This paper makes the common mistake of mixing hot- and cold-fusion.
These are two separate and independent phenomenon. They are not
related except both are nuclear reactions involving fusion. However,
the conditions required for initiation and the nuclear products are
entirely different.
To gain some perspective on the Rossi affair, it is good to offer a point
of comparison. Now it is possible to do this because A new LENR WO patent
application got published on May 30 by Etiam OY, a Finnish LENR start-up.
This application has very detailed descriptions of its claimed process
See:
https://news.missouri.edu/2013/07/02/tabletop-nuclear-fusion/
It seems to me that the reaction mechanism of the experiment referenced in
this thread is electrostatic in nature relating to high voltage causation
of fusion.
To draw a comparison, this is identical to the mechanism used in the
Proton-21 experimental series.
Since Proton-21 is considered a
If we cannot even agree about what the term LENR means or which
phenomenon it describes, I see no hope in arriving at any common
understanding. Please, can you make an effort to agree on some basic
ideas so that the discussion can move forward? We are dealing with two
different phenomenon.
Hot fusion is a nuclear reaction in which two or more atomic nuclei collide
at very high speed and join to form a new type of atomic nucleus of
compressing matter to high temperatures at high densities as defined by the
to the Lawson criterion,
In nuclear fusion research, the *Lawson criterion*,
Yes Axil, your mind set has not changed either, still just as
unfocused on the subject at hand. I do not see how this issue can be
discussed when you cannot focus on the subject. The Lawson criterion
has absolutely no relationship to cold fusion. It only applies to hot
fusion. Apparently,
I am drawing a distinction between hot fusion and LENR in terms of the
Lawson criterion. Specifically, if a fusion reaction cannot be
characterized in terms of plasma density, plasma confinement time and
plasma temperature, then the reaction is LENR.
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Axil Axil
Good overall article, and I find this statement interesting.
. the university recently acquired a new, prestigious $3 million grant from
the National Science Foundation specifically to investigate and apply
neutron scattering, which has already begun.
I think what is meant here, but not
This paper can be interpreted to be of significant interest in regard to the
Rossi HotCat. But note that the authors do not mention that device, nor
plasmon/polaritons, at least not in the abstract.
Maybe they missed the connection or more likely - I'm reading too much into
their findings - but
That is not a useful criteria because the Lawson criteria applies to a
plasma and to a reaction that results in the hot fusion products, i.e.
neutrons, tritium, etc. Cold fusion does not occur in plasma and
results in helium without kinetic energy. The reaction is defined as
LENR only if
The paper says that the experimenters are claiming cold fusion. There is no
mixing of fusion definitions involved in this paper to my understanding of
it.
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
That is not a useful criteria because the Lawson criteria
My point Axil, is that the authors have no idea what they are talking
about. This confusion is common and results in a great deal of
confusion about how cold fusion works. Unless this confusion is
eliminated from discussion, no agreement is possible. This paper
simply adds to the
http://www.rarenergia.com.br/
Is this a case of
1) More money than brains
2) Tilting at windmills
3) Mad genius at work
4) Extreme limits of self-delusion
5) Perpmo heaven
6) All of the above
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From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:41:31 AM
Good overall article, and I find this statement interesting…
“… the university recently acquired a new, prestigious $3 million
grant from the National Science Foundation specifically to
investigate and
Ed and Axil,
Maybe it would be nice if we could define Cold Fusion, LENR , as
fusion at room temperature that only requires the addition of heat,
below let's say 1000 degrees centigrade and possibly some pressure to
start the fusion process. Any other type of fusion that requires a
high
From: David ledin mathematic.analy...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:31:41 AM
Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment
http://fire.pppl.gov/cyrstal_fusion_nature.pdf
It talks about coulomb explosions --- which is exactly what the Etiam patent
claims (In
I don't think that your criteria would include the Proton-21 experiments or
the exploding foil experiments as LENR.
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Robert Dorr rod...@comcast.net wrote:
Ed and Axil,
Maybe it would be nice if we could define Cold Fusion, LENR , as
fusion at room temperature
Bob, here is the definition I plan to use at ICCF-18. This is accepted
by most people in the field. Hot fusion is so much different from
cold fusion, no benefit is gained by mixing the two phenomenon. They
can be easily separated because hot fusion makes neutrons when energy
is generated.
In a way they are both a form of pressure albeit mechanical or
chemical in nature.
Bob
At 11:25 AM 7/7/2013, you wrote:
I don't think that your criteria would include the Proton-21
experiments or the exploding foil experiments as LENR.
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Robert Dorr
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:29:27 AM
I am drawing a distinction between hot fusion and LENR in terms of
the Lawson criterion. Specifically, if a fusion reaction cannot be
characterized in terms of plasma density, plasma confinement time
and plasma
That depends on the nuclear products. The exploding foil can be LENR
if heat is produced without neutron emission, i.e. without the nuclear
reaction associated with hot fusion. In addition, both cold and hot
fusion can be produced at the same time in some situations. The
challenge is to
That seems pretty straight forward to me.
Bob
At 11:27 AM 7/7/2013, you wrote:
Bob, here is the definition I plan to use at ICCF-18. This is
accepted by most people in the field. Hot fusion is so much
different from cold fusion, no benefit is gained by mixing the two
phenomenon. They can
Wow, something really crazy from my country! I wonder if I should give them
a call.
2013/7/7 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
http://www.rarenergia.com.br/
Is this a case of
1) More money than brains
2) Tilting at windmills
3) Mad genius at work
4) Extreme limits of
You are probably better off following the translated page
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=ptu=http://www.rarenergia.com.br/prev=/search%3Fq%3DRAR%2Benergia%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3D3Nv%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official
I have been following it for a couple of months, because it
I don't need translation...
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
A classic perpetual motion machine.
They sure started out on a large scale! No lack of confidence.
- Jed
Dude, is that the same country that just ripped the head off a soccer
referee
Sounds like our hockey fans...
On Sunday, July 7, 2013, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Wow, something really crazy from my country! I wonder if I should give
them a call.
2013/7/7 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
We have tidal power energy generators doesn't that work via gravity?
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
A classic perpetual motion machine.
They sure started out on a large scale! No lack of confidence.
- Jed
cold fusion can be distinguished from hot fusion by the three miracles
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/Theories/TakahashiTheory.shtml#miracles
Harry
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Robert Dorr rod...@comcast.net wrote:
Ed and Axil,
Maybe it would be nice if we could define Cold Fusion,
In LENR, sometimes gamma rays are produced.
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 2:59 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
cold fusion can be distinguished from hot fusion by the three miracles
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/Theories/TakahashiTheory.shtml#miracles
Harry
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at
Yeah that Soininen patent reported gamma radiation..
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
In LENR, sometimes gamma rays are produced.
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 2:59 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
cold fusion can be distinguished from hot fusion by the
Daniel,
There is another one from Maranhão. It seems to be based on the
Kapanadze device.
They are working with an Energy Company.
Mark Jordan
On 07-Jul-13 15:36, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Wow, something really crazy from my country! I wonder if I should give
them a call.
It seems to me that for this definition to work, even as a phenomenological
definition, something more would need to be added regarding the expected
radiation. For example, one could say without the radiation expected
from previous experiments in hot fusion. However, clarifying it this way
Gamma rays, i.e. photons, are produced because otherwise the mass-
energy cannot be turned into heat. Nevertheless, the energy of the
photons is too small for most to leave the apparatus. Therefore, they
are detected at too low an intensity to account for the heat. This
confuses some people
Whether the realms of cold fusion and hot fusion are separated by an abyss
or are connected by transition zone like that which exists between
mountains and the prairies remains to be seen.
Harry
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 3:02 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
Yeah that Soininen
Grimer seems to think it work:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=112238#112238
Grimer:
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:52 pmPost subject: Another Claim to a
Working Device
*Grimer wrote:*
*I think I am beginning to grasp one of the essential requirements for a
gravity mill. *
In Proton-21 gamma rays of up to 10 MeV are detected.
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Whether the realms of cold fusion and hot fusion are separated by an abyss
or are connected by transition zone like that which exists between
mountains and the prairies
The radiation from hot fusion is unambiguous and well known. A source
of energy that does not produce this radiation when hydrogen is
present, but nevertheless is nuclear, is defined as LENR. Of course,
the definition I gave has to fit on a slide. The details would be
added verbally.
Perhaps by you. But this difference is clear to people who study the
two mechanisms. I suggest you consider this view is correct and not
waste time looking for a transition zone. :-)
Ed
On Jul 7, 2013, at 1:14 PM, H Veeder wrote:
Whether the realms of cold fusion and hot fusion are
So they want to use the Earth's rotation like a flywheel?
Harry
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Grimer seems to think it work:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=112238#112238
Grimer:
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:52 pmPost
Sterling says they are building one in Illinois:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:RAR_Energia_Ltda_Gravity_Motor
We've got a page full of gravity
motorhttp://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Gravity_Motors claims,
but none have put as much into a prototype as a Brazilian company, RAR
Energy
So how long would it take to payback that monster at $3/hr?
Yes, the next environmental disaster. Global slowing..
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 12:24 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
So they want to use the Earth's rotation like a flywheel?
Harry
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Grimer seems to think it
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 3:48 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
Yes, the next environmental disaster. Global slowing..
Sure to shorten the lifespan of all creatures on earth.
Can anyone explain how this machine is supposed to work?
[mg]
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Sterling says they are building one in Illinois:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:RAR_Energia_Ltda_Gravity_Motor
We've got a page full of gravity
From: Terry Blanton
Grimer seems to think it work:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=112238#112238
If I understand the essence of his argument, it is that there are
interlocking mechanisms involving progressively higher derivatives of
acceleration wrt time (so-called
My Definition :
Any tabletop nuclear fusion like Muon-catalyzed fusion or
pyroelectric fusion that most probable is mechanism behind e-cat can
be called cold fusion .
In contrast to this :
ITER
http://www.picstation.net/pictures/968e2ec6b12374bd5489c613d5155447.jpg
General Fusion
That gravity motor from the Brazilian company looks like a giant
typewriter. ;-)
Some examples of the first typewriters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n1FDu2GZ8M
I suppose the Gutenberg press is a proto-typewriter.
Harry
I am not looking, but perhaps one should remain open to the possibility.
Harry
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Perhaps by you. But this difference is clear to people who study the two
mechanisms. I suggest you consider this view is correct and not
Greetings, carbon based Vort Earthlings!
Some of you might enjoy taking a momentary break from on-going CF/LENR
discussions in order to view the following You Tube clip. It depicts a photo
of an alleged very humanoid-looking albino female alien. The clip is less
than 4 minutes long, so it
The Nature article originally referenced was in 2005, and it was Seth
Putterman's group at UCLA; Putterman is one of the original researchers into
sonoluminescence. He is also one of the jerks who helped in defaming Dr.
Rusi Taleyarkhan and his work on sonofusion at Purdue. This is one story
that
Muon fusion is hot fusion because the fused nuclei explodes into
fragments that includes neutrons. This is a fact and not open to
debate. In addition, a muon has a lifetime of a few microseconds.
Where and how do you think they are made? I have no idea what you mean
by pyroelectric fusion.
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 4:55 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
Terry, have you come across this photo before? What have you heard about its
provenance?
I have not; but, understand that I have been out of the biness for
over a decade. I do, however, find it
People have explored this possibility and some people still think this
overlap exists. I once had this opinion as well. Now the evidence is
clear. Hot and Cold fusion are two separate and independent phenomenon
requiring entirely different mechanisms. Ironically, the initial
rejection was
Blaze sez:
Yes, the next environmental disaster. Global slowing..
I wuz thinking the same thing. ;-)
Oh well, I never get enough sleep at night.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/
Greetings Terry,
Terry, have you come across this photo before?
What have you heard about its provenance?
I have not; but, understand that I have been out of the biness
for over a decade. I do, however, find it fascinating. It is
not the nose which strikes me; but, it is the
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 11:31:53 AM
Those criteria really only apply to Tokamaks. For example, I'm not
sure that the Laser (National Ignition Facility) has to meet the
confinement time criterion. (I haven't looked for the numbers).
This 2009 paper
Ah ha!
I know what this photo reminds me of!
Village of the Damned! (The original movie)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5NmyFlGt80
Hopefully, the photo depicts a kinder more gentle version. ;-)
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 5:51 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
**
Just speculating here... there has been some talk that if Homo Sapiens
continue to evolve there's a possibility that we will continue to carry
over additional child like physical traits
Funny you should ask that. I ran across this just the other day:
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-human-face-in-the-future-2013-6
The future is [not] plastics.
The future is eye drops.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Here is the link about the other Brasilian company:
http://energiauniversal.eco.br/
Watch the two videos.
Mark Jordan
On 07-Jul-13 15:36, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Wow, something really crazy from my country! I wonder if I should give
them a call.
2013/7/7 Jones Beene
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
They sure started out on a large scale! No lack of confidence.
This looks like a gadget right out of the Renaissance.
It seems like if you're making a prototype, you should start small, so that
it costs less to iterate
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Cold fusion does not occur in plasma
We don't know where cold fusion can occur. Some enterprising scientists or
inventor might show at some point that the Papp engine was producing LENR.
We're largely still at the
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:
However, clarifying it this way implies we have an appropriate definition
of hot fusion that is amenable to distinguishing from cold fusion or
LENR, or at least limiting its scope.
Also, is it hot fusion if you get
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
and results in helium
This and, of course, heat.
Also, 4He is a known result of LENR in the context of deuterided palladium.
But we don't really know what the product is in the context of Ni/H or
Pd/H, etc. So we
This paper from nature is about pyroelectric fusion .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroelectric_fusion
On 7/8/13, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Muon fusion is hot fusion because the fused nuclei explodes into
fragments that includes neutrons. This is a fact and not open to
How do they know she's a female?
2013/7/7 OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net
Greetings, carbon based Vort Earthlings!
** **
Some of you might enjoy taking a momentary break from on-going CF/LENR
discussions in order to view the following You Tube clip. It
She had a shopping bag in her hand
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
How do they know she's a female?
2013/7/7 OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net
Greetings, carbon based Vort Earthlings!
** **
Some of you might enjoy
We don't know where cold fusion can occur. Some enterprising scientists
or inventor might show at some point that the Papp engine was producing
LENR. We're largely still at the beginning.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that cold fusion is happening
everywhere all the time, even
On 07-Jul-13 20:17, Eric Walker wrote:
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
They sure started out on a large scale! No lack of confidence.
This looks like a gadget right out of the Renaissance.
It seems like if you're
Feb 2012 on NIF :
https://lasers.llnl.gov/workshops/user_group_2012/docs/6.3_glenzer.pdf
Wow! A total of TWENTY events! Implosion velocity within 5% of ignition.
Keep the big money rolling, folks!
ps : They also use the plot of the Lawson parameters as Pressure*Seconds on the
Y axis, Temp on
I agree, it is just low energy nuclear DECAY at the quantum level. Time is
really just a creation by man, we are really not getting older, we are just
DECAYING, thanks to our Sun and quantum gravity. Time to fire up those
LENR engines and find a lower vacuum area of space. Earth is like a
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:
However, clarifying it this way implies we have an appropriate definition
of hot fusion that is amenable to distinguishing from cold fusion or
are crackle and pop really higher order derivatives of motion, or are you
having some fun there? (im serious, my physics and mechanics is not quite
enough to tell if you're jerking my chain with those two.)
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Grimer seems
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:39 PM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote:
are crackle and pop really higher order derivatives of motion, or are you
having some fun there?
Did you read the reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jounce
The notation [image: \vec s] (used in
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 6:08 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Which paper describes the use of 300 eV?
I was recalling things from memory and appear to have gotten a few details
mixed up. Thankfully, not the most important one about the energy of the
beam.
The paper is [1], below, by
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:39 PM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote:
are crackle and pop really higher order derivatives of motion, or are you
having some fun there?
Did you read the reference:
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 6:08 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Which paper describes the use of 300 eV?
The paper I mentioned by Chambers is relevant. But I recall seeing a
different paper, possibly where normal dd branches were seen, in which the
energy of the beam was between 200-300
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