Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

In reply to David Roberson's message of Fri, 25 Sep 2015 21:05:01 -0400: Hi David, [snip] >Robin, > >I think we are on the same frequency in this quest. It appears that any non >linear process that can be coaxed into converting the kinetic energy due to >thermal motion into potential energy of

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

rtex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 4:23 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES Dave, This is not exactly a Maxwell’s demon, since there is no discretionary filtering. I like your suggestion about thermal peaks be

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Dave, This is not exactly a Maxwell’s demon, since there is no discretionary filtering. I like your suggestion about thermal peaks being involved and there is undoubtedly some kind of resonance. The LED was notably in the IR range to begin with. Possibly the Boltzmann tail of the thermal

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

;vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 4:03 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES From: David Roberson Ø Does anyone know of experiments that demonstrate that photo cells can convert heat or light radiation from a s

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

-Original Message- From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 4:23 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-03/09

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

In reply to David Roberson's message of Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:40:33 -0400: Hi Dave, [snip] >This discussion is interesting. Perhaps the existing thermodynamic laws apply >mainly to black body types of interactions when radiation is associated. >Clearly the light emitted by an LED is not of

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

of the remaining material. These processes appear to be violations of the laws. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent <mix...@bigpond.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 6:59 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP EN

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

igpond.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 6:59 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP > ENERGY ENGINES > > In reply to David Roberson's message of Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:40:33 -0400: > Hi > Da

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

Lennart Thornros wrote: > > If there is cheap electricity electrical cars are simple - fast to > recharge. > Electricity is already cheap. It is much cheaper than gasoline per mile. Electric cars are not fast to recharge; they are slow. Cold fusion would do nothing to

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Lennart Thornros wrote: > I am not in agreement with that electricity is cheap. > It is much cheaper than gasoline per mile in an automobile. About 4 times cheaper, depending on the cost of gasoline. Producing electricity locally, in my opinion as local as possible has

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

Jed, I am not in agreement with that electricity is cheap. However, I live in the PG land so it is a little false background. I can actually produce electricity with a diesel generator at lower cost than I can buy it. If you cut in to pieces what I say you can object but as whole your arguments

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

Lennart Thornros wrote: > I am not in agreement with that electricity is cheap. > It is much cheaper than gasoline per mile in an automobile. About 4 times cheaper, depending on the cost of gasoline. You are now including energy taxes and big brother's energy politics.

RE: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

From: Mark Goldes * * The conversion of a small Briggs & Stratton engine to run without fuel is now underway… For those on vortex who are unfamiliar with Ken Rauen’s work, PESN has a web page focusing on an earlier engine. Ken is a leading expert on the Papp engine – and there are

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Thank you Jones. At the same time the issue is not the relative cost of electricity before LENR. I am #2 in line for the model 3. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never

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Here are some more instances of negative electric power costs: "Negative prices in wholesale electricity markets indicate supply inflexibilities" http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=5110

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The resent work by Holmlid show that muons are produced by rydberg matter. I now believe that rydberg matter was a product of the Papp engine plasma process. Notice that both Holmlid and Papp produce no heat and very high speed neutral particles from explosive rydberg matter fragments. The Papp

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

Jones Beene wrote: > the operative detail left out is that empty “space” is arguably the > virtual heat sink which would express temperatures near absolute zero (on > paper). The idea is that ambient heat transfers to a virtual heat sink, > which is very cold. > Yes,

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*AAESOP’s *LITTLE ENGINE THAT COULD CHANGE THE WORLD (from the aesopinstitute.org website) The conversion of a small Briggs & Stratton engine to run without fuel is now underway. This Fuel-Free, scalable, modified engine (and proprietary future piston and turbine engines) designed to never

RE: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

Well, OTEC is a good metaphor – but without disagreeing with Jed’s assessment, the operative detail left out is that empty “space” is arguably the virtual heat sink which would express temperatures near absolute zero (on paper). The idea is that ambient heat transfers to a virtual heat sink,

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Jones Beene wrote: > Like the Papp engine, there will be strong disagreement over the > thermodynamic issues involved . . . > That is putting it mildly! I think most people would say it is a flat-violation of the laws of thermodynamics. You cannot run anything on

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Jones Beene wrote: > Ø About 4 times cheaper, depending on the cost of gasoline. > > > > Not in Sept. 2015. Today, with the drop in fuel cost, electricity is about > 2 times cheaper, on average, but not everywhere; and most of that is due to > no road tax on electricity –

RE: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

From: David Roberson Ø Does anyone know of experiments that demonstrate that photo cells can convert heat or light radiation from a sink in which they are located directly into electrical power? There are several electro-optical anomalies like this one, which involve LEDs, lasers,

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Guys, Rauen patented a series of thermodynamic cycles (US #6,698,200) and designed and built a prototype of an engine concept that embodies the Proell effect. The prototype did not run due to poor piston seals and excessive friction of its moving parts. Pressure instrumentation of the motored

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com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 24, 2015 4:32 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES Guys, Rauen patenteda series of thermodynamic cycles (US #6,698,200) and designed and built a prototype of anengine concept t

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BTW – I mentioned ~70% efficient photocells, because there have been claims for that high level, and there would be plenty of losses in a closed-loop system, even if the emitter was COP=2.3. But it turns out there are even higher efficiencies being claimed – 80 percent.

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From: Lennart Thornros I am not in agreement with that electricity is cheap. JR: It is much cheaper than gasoline per mile in an automobile. LT: You are now including energy taxes and big brother's energy politics. That is fine with me as that is my main idea that we are so over

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I wrote: > 3. Oil is cheap now mainly because of fracking. This is also lowering the > cost of natural gas, which will lower the cost of electricity in the near > future. > Meanwhile, in Texas at night they will sometimes pay you to use electricity. The cost is negative:

RE: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-03/09/230-percent-efficient-leds Notice that this LED has a COP of 2.3… or 230 percent overunity. That implies “perpetual motion”. “However, while MIT's diode puts out more than twice as much energy in photons as it's fed in electrons, it doesn't

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Anyone who witnesses a bona fide the Papp replication attempt (not the > “popper” LOL) … often comments that the engine runs cold. Why? It is part > of the M.O. It would be a mistake to lump the poppers from the two

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; > > > -Original Message- > From: Mark Goldes <m...@aesopenergy.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Thu, Sep 24, 2015 4:32 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP > ENERGY ENGINES > > Guys, > R

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I wrote: > With cold fusion, what you want is a high power to weight ratio. A 5% > efficient engine producing 10 kW per kilogram of engine is much better than > 20% efficiency with 1 kW per kilogram. > I am talking about transportation applications here; vehicle propulsion. Mobile energy

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This book, connect with the work of French economist Gaël Giraud http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/1961-a-French-economist-explain-GdP-growth-is-mostly-energy/?postID=7735#post7735 *Chief Economist at the French Development Agency and Director of the Chair "Energy and prosperity,"

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I saw the papers from Leif Holmlid and Sveinn Ólafsson. It sounds as if they feel they have a product idea viable for commercialization. I am not capable of making a judgment but it sounds realistic. If correct we need neither AESOP technology nor to worry about the relation Watt/ kg - I assume.

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In reply to Alain Sepeda's message of Wed, 23 Sep 2015 09:00:59 +0200: Hi, [snip] >The >non-energy commodities are also a huge issue, first and foremost minerals, >which largely confirms the research that I I started with Olivier Vidal, of >the Institute of Earth Sciences 2 in Grenoble. There is

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Lennart Thornros wrote: > If correct we need neither AESOP technology nor to worry about the > relation Watt/ kg - I assume. Electrical cars and low cost electricity > generated very locally is my vision.. > Electric cars require a high ratio of power to weight (watts per

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OK Jed, I might express myself poorly If there is cheap electricity electrical cars are simple - fast to recharge. Even exchange of batteries is a possible way. I really do not care for to have the reactor in the car. I am fine to have it locally. Neighborhood power stations. 20 homes or similar.

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I wrote: > Eventually, after cold fusion is established, there will be market niches > that demand somewhat more efficient mechanical conversion, such as > aerospace engines and other mobile applications. This will probably not be > needed for automobiles, ships or railroad locomotives.

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Mark Goldes wrote: > It also must reject heat as a waste product. > > Efficiency will undoubtedly be below 50% and may be much less. AESOP > Energy piston engines are not Carnot limited. > That is impossible. Let us assume this means the device converts nearly all heat

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com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 7:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES Selected experimental results reveal that LENR can produce charged subatomic particles as a result of appropriately applie

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Selected experimental results reveal that LENR can produce charged subatomic particles as a result of appropriately applied catalysts. AIRBUS has put direct electrical generation capability into their patent. Rossi has hinted at developing a new reactor design that might produce electric power

[Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

The Fuel-Free piston engines of Aesop Energy, LLC, may be useful to those interested in using LENR to produce electricity. At least one LENR company is developing a Stirling engine, which almost certainly is a high-tech design, in order to be powerful and efficient. Still, it is Carnot limited