Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 3:13 PM, David Roberson wrote: > OK, I will wait further for the information. It is pretty important to me > to determine if it is at all possible for enough energy to be stored and > then released to achieve Rossi's results. A good model such as your friends > would help

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-24 Thread Charles Hope
Yes, links. Mailers are supposed to preserve links inside the brackets. It's a little known fact, but hopefully all the writers of mail software remember it. On Dec 24, 2011, at 19:38, Mary Yugo wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 3:25 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I have no trouble with a

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-24 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 3:25 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I have no trouble with any other posts, only those 2. I have received > many links before with no issues. > > Dave > If you send me the bad links, either privately or on the list, I'll rewrite them as "tinuyurls". @Charles: You wrap wha

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-24 Thread David Roberson
I have no trouble with any other posts, only those 2. I have received many links before with no issues. Dave -Original Message- From: Charles Hope To: vortex-l Cc: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Dec 24, 2011 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith If you wrap

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-24 Thread Charles Hope
If you wrap the link in , it should better survive travel. On Dec 24, 2011, at 12:21, Mary Yugo wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > > Sometimes email clients are not kindly to links and interpret/parse them > badly! > > >

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-24 Thread David Roberson
al Message- From: Mary Yugo To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Dec 24, 2011 5:52 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 2:35 PM, David Roberson wrote: Mary, it is quite unfortunate that he does not want to share additional information concerning his mo

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-24 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 2:35 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Mary, it is quite unfortunate that he does not want to share additional > information concerning his model. This is just the sort of model that is > needed to determine whether or not it is possible to replicate Rossi > results with heat

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-24 Thread David Roberson
Mary, what is going on with your messages to this subject at times 12:13 and 12:21? I can not get them to load properly with my system. This was tried several times to no avail. Dave

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-24 Thread David Roberson
otherwise. I seek the truth only. Dave -Original Message- From: Mary Yugo To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Dec 24, 2011 4:46 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 8:06 PM, David Roberson wrote: It is certainly true that the peak occurs

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-24 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 8:06 PM, David Roberson wrote: > It is certainly true that the peak occurs in a region that immediately > follows the highest temperature obtained within the heat storage medium. > The part that is anomalous is the fact that the bump I referred to at 16:00 > is of relative

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-24 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > > "I do not understand Harry’s objection. The electric power considered in > the model is represented by the blue curve in the upper left diagram of > http://i.imgur.com/SWbvW.jpg jpeg. This curve shows the exact data of the > electrical power s

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-24 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > > It is not sufficient evidence, but it still can be interpreted as > evidence of nuclear reactions. > Your alternative doesn't persuade me that the heat produced is > worthless as evidence. As everyone knows, there are countless ways to > fa

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread David Roberson
, 2011 7:15 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM, David Roberson wrote: The curve I was referring to is the T2(mis) curve. There is a well defined bump that peaks at 16:00 time. This is one of the curves of the actual ECAT

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > > It is not sufficient evidence, but it still can be interpreted as > evidence of nuclear reactions. > I don't agree. Not if the heat is coming from a 100 kg device that we're not allowed to inspect. If it were heat + commensurate radiation

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Charles Hope
Another secret contact! Why can't your friend create a throwaway hotmail account like anyone else? On Dec 23, 2011, at 12:27, Mary Yugo wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:37 AM, David Roberson wrote: > Hello Mary, > > I wonder if you could ask your source to explain the bump in the curve >

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM, David Roberson wrote: > The curve I was referring to is the T2(mis) curve. There is a well > defined bump that peaks at 16:00 time. This is one of the curves of the > actual ECAT measurement and I was looking to see if your > source demonstrated anything resemb

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: >> >>  A >> plausible method of fakery is not evidence of fakery. >> > > > Obviously not. But heat, by itself, is not evidence of a nuclear reaction, > if the same heat can be plausibly

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
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Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM, David Roberson wrote: > The curve I was referring to is the T2(mis) curve. There is a well > defined bump that peaks at 16:00 time. This is one of the curves of the > actual ECAT measurement and I was looking to see if your > source demonstrated anything resemb

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread David Roberson
. We may have found additional proof that LENR is occurring which a non LENR model can not explain. Thanks Mary. Dave -Original Message- From: Mary Yugo To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Dec 23, 2011 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith On Fri, Dec 23, 20

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:37 AM, David Roberson wrote: > > I wonder if you could ask your source to explain the bump in the curve > that occurs at 16:00 on the second chart? It looks like this is not > demonstrated in any of his curves. The bump is in the temperature of the > ECAT water bath T2

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > A > plausible method of fakery is not evidence of fakery. > > Obviously not. But heat, by itself, is not evidence of a nuclear reaction, if the same heat can be plausibly produced without nuclear reactions. Similarly, if I claimed to have

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:13 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > Continuing the discussion of the mathematical modeling proposed for the > October 6 experiment, my informant, who still prefers to remain anonymous, > remarked that the examples suggested by Jed and others (nails, anvils and > the like) are not c

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:37 AM, David Roberson wrote: > Hello Mary, > > I wonder if you could ask your source to explain the bump in the curve > Done, thanks.

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread David Roberson
Message- From: Mary Yugo To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Dec 23, 2011 3:13 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith Continuing the discussion of the mathematical modeling proposed for the October 6 experiment, my informant, who still prefers to remain anonymous, remarked that

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Yram Oguy
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Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-23 Thread Mary Yugo
Continuing the discussion of the mathematical modeling proposed for the October 6 experiment, my informant, who still prefers to remain anonymous, remarked that the examples suggested by Jed and others (nails, anvils and the like) are not comparable to the October 6 experiment which involved a much

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-22 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Colin Hercus wrote: > Hi Jed, > > Google have published some details of their algorithm and that's pretty much > how it works. > > If they want to do say English/Italian translation they find a lot of text > (books, menus etc.) that exist in both languages and then

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Colin Hercus wrote: > Google have published some details of their algorithm and that's pretty > much how it works. > Yup. I read some of their papers. It works surprisingly well. I guess Rossi => Smith can be considered a mistranslation. Then again, maybe this should be considered legit. It is

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-22 Thread Colin Hercus
Hi Jed, Google have published some details of their algorithm and that's pretty much how it works. If they want to do say English/Italian translation they find a lot of text (books, menus etc.) that exist in both languages and then they analyse the text counting words by frequency. This gives fir

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-22 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > It does not matter what rate you add the heat. The flow rate of the water > is unimportant. It might be stopped altogether. > > It takes a certain amount of energy to keep the surface of the reactor at > 80°C for four hours. Right. But Le

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-22 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> Am I to assume you examined the mathematical modeling and resulting >> curves in the links I provided and have analyzed and rejected them for some >> good reason? >> > > Yes. I have seen blacksmiths at work. I have se

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-22 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jed sez: > Wow! That gives us an interesting look at how Google translation works. The > computer picks a word that is functionally similar. One that has similar > uses, distribution or frequency. > > Or maybe it is a database error. > > The word "roth" also means red, in Middle English. Hence the

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: Rossi is not dumping a preheated steel mass into a bucket of water. He's insulating it very carefully and trickling water through it at a very modest rate. I've always been struck at the low and hesitant flow from his pumps. Click... click..click.. And the flo

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Giovanni Santostasi wrote: Rossi doesn't mean Smith. It is translated sometime by Google as Smith because Smith is such common name in the anglophone world and Rossi is an extremely common (if not the most common) Italian last names. Rossi means "red one", probably the ancestors of this family

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-22 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Jed, Rossi doesn't mean Smith. It is translated sometime by Google as Smith because Smith is such common name in the anglophone world and Rossi is an extremely common (if not the most common) Italian last names. Rossi means "red one", probably the ancestors of this family were red headed. The last

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-22 Thread Mary Yugo
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:10 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson < svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Mary, as already suggested by Mr. Rothwell, I suggest you might want > to consider performing an actual physical experiment. I'm sure you > have sufficient tools at your disposal to perform such a

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-22 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 22, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Mary Yugo wrote: Am I to assume you examined the mathematical modeling and resulting curves in the links I provided and have analyzed and rejected them for some good reason? Yes. I have seen blacksmiths at work. I have seen one heat a lar

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-22 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From Mary Yugo: >> Am I to assume you examined the mathematical modeling and resulting curves >> in the links I provided and have analyzed and rejected them for some good >> reason? I assume you addressed this query to Mr. Rothwell. Nevertheless, I have two cents of my own to add. Having run th

Re: [Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-22 Thread Daniel Rocha
Rossi is an extremely common Italian surname. I can see Rossi used as a name of a company everywhere here, since several million people in my country descends from Italians. 2011/12/22 Jed Rothwell > Note that "Rossi" means "Smith." Perhaps he comes from a long line of > blacksmiths. He has the

[Vo]:Mathematical modeling versus a blacksmith

2011-12-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: > Am I to assume you examined the mathematical modeling and resulting curves > in the links I provided and have analyzed and rejected them for some good > reason? > Yes. I have seen blacksmiths at work. I have seen one heat a large chunk of iron, as big as the reactor core, to