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Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:51 AM
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Mark,
The fact is that BM is Jewish and most of the investors he frauded are Jewish.
Therefore, the Jewish
community is especially outraged. This is not a sligh
Edmund Storms wrote:
Therefore, the Jewish community is especially outraged. This is not
a slight against the Jewish community and provides no reason not to
identify this fact.
You are missing the point. Your original comment was:
"When you damage so many people, many of whom are very powerf
statement and it still would have been accurate...
-Mark
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From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 7:18 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury
Come now, let's be realistic. He di
: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 7:18 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury
Come now, let's be realistic. He did not run because he would not have been
safe anywhere in the
world. When you damage so
Jed sez:
> OrionWorks wrote:
>
> "Certainly, it is conceivable that Maddox had a few "assistants",
> possibly playing their roles passively. But their "sins" are likely to
> be more the "sins of omission" . . .
>
> What I think is far more alarming, perhaps even sinister, is the fact
> that years
OrionWorks wrote:
"Certainly, it is conceivable that Maddox had a few "assistants",
possibly playing their roles passively. But their "sins" are likely to
be more the "sins of omission" . . .
What I think is far more alarming, perhaps even sinister, is the fact
that years ago certain financial an
On Jul 12, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Mauro Lacy wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
I don't know why he didn't run.
He didn't ran because he was a scapegoat. Scapegoats don't run, by
their
very definition.
It's always better to blame it all on a "lone
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
> OrionWorks wrote:
>
>> >From Mario Lacy:
>>
>>
Edmund Storms wrote:
> Come now, let's be realistic. He did not run because he would not
> have been safe anywhere in the world. When you damage so many people,
> many of whom are very
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
> Mauro Lacy wrote:
>
>> Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know why he didn't run.
>>>
>> He didn't ran because he was a scapegoat. Scapegoats don't run, by their
>> very definition.
>> It's always better to blame it all on a "lone shooter", than ac
OrionWorks wrote:
>>From Mario Lacy:
>
>>> Edmund Storms wrote:
Come now, let's be realistic. He did not run because he would not
have been safe anywhere in the world. When you damage so many people,
many of whom are very powerful and will connected to the Jewish
community, y
>From Mario Lacy:
>> Edmund Storms wrote:
>> > Come now, let's be realistic. He did not run because he would not
>> > have been safe anywhere in the world. When you damage so many people,
>> > many of whom are very powerful and will connected to the Jewish
>> > community, you will be killed very s
Mauro Lacy wrote:
> Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>> I don't know why he didn't run.
>
> He didn't ran because he was a scapegoat. Scapegoats don't run, by their
> very definition.
> It's always better to blame it all on a "lone shooter", than acknowledge
> the corruption within the system.
This is
Edmund Storms wrote:
> Come now, let's be realistic. He did not run because he would not have
> been safe anywhere in the world. When you damage so many people, many
> of whom are very powerful and will connected to the Jewish community,
> you will be killed very soon after leaving the US. B
Come now, let's be realistic. He did not run because he would not have
been safe anywhere in the world. When you damage so many people, many
of whom are very powerful and will connected to the Jewish community,
you will be killed very soon after leaving the US. Besides, his
family was also
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
> I don't know why he didn't run.
He didn't ran because he was a scapegoat. Scapegoats don't run, by their
very definition.
It's always better to blame it all on a "lone shooter", than acknowledge
the corruption within the system.
Craig Haynie (Houston) wrote on 7-11-09:
It reminds me of Greg Watson. We never could figure out
what his motive was. He claimed to have found an anomaly
in magnetic fields that he could exploit. He claimed to
have built a magnetic track which would move a ball around
the track indefinitely. But
>From Mr. Lawrence:
...
> I don't know why he didn't run.
...
Shoot! I'm still alive! I thought I'd surely die in my bed of silken
sheets before everything unraveled.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
OrionWorks wrote:
>
> Perhaps it's time to move on.
D'accord.
I'm too much of a cynic anyway. I shall stop venting here.
Fraud: 2. (Law) An intentional perversion of truth for the purpose
of obtaining some valuable thing or promise from another.
Valuable a.
1. Having value or worth; possessing qualities which are
useful and esteemed; precious; costly; as, a valuable
horse; valuable land; a valuable cargo.
If
It reminds me of Greg Watson. We never could figure out what his motive was.
He claimed to have found an anomaly in magnetic fields that he could
exploit. He claimed to have built a magnetic track which would move a ball
around the track indefinitely. But it could never be looked at
independently.
Occam's razor suggests to me that the most likely explanation of what
happened is that the engineers and researchers at Steorn simply
deluded themselves. It's easy to do, I know from personal experience –
even with the best intentions, especially if you believe you are
interpreting and/or applying
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
> I have not been following the story. Is there evidence that they
> benefited financially? It isn't a fraud unless someone is defrauded.
They had investors. I think that says it all.
Not necessarily. As I said, it depends on how they spent the money.
(I have no i
Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>
>> The Steorn engineers are not self-deluded.
>>
>> They're dishonest.
>>
>> Fraudulent.
>
> I have not been following the story. Is there evidence that they
> benefited financially? It isn't a fraud unless someone is defrauded.
They had inves
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
The Steorn engineers are not self-deluded.
They're dishonest.
Fraudulent.
I have not been following the story. Is there evidence that they
benefited financially? It isn't a fraud unless someone is defrauded.
People have claimed the Mills is a fraud, but I see ze
OrionWorks wrote:
>>From Terry:
>
>> http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=61849&page=1#Item_0
>
> The steorn saga has been a real education for me.
>
> Whether it is naivety on my part or not, I was willing to give the
> benefit of the doubt to Steorn's engineers in assuming t
>From Terry:
> http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=61849&page=1#Item_0
The steorn saga has been a real education for me.
Whether it is naivety on my part or not, I was willing to give the
benefit of the doubt to Steorn's engineers in assuming that they had
accurately detected a
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=61849&page=1#Item_0
Here is an excerpt from a message in the above thread. It's actually
heresay (not directly from a juror); but, it rings true:
"I wasn't on the jury and first got to hear of it last year through
some university people. They
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