RE: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-14 Thread Mark Iverson
ix.netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:51 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury Mark, The fact is that BM is Jewish and most of the investors he frauded are Jewish. Therefore, the Jewish community is especially outraged. This is not a sligh

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: Therefore, the Jewish community is especially outraged. This is not a slight against the Jewish community and provides no reason not to identify this fact. You are missing the point. Your original comment was: "When you damage so many people, many of whom are very powerf

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-14 Thread Edmund Storms
statement and it still would have been accurate... -Mark -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 7:18 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury Come now, let's be realistic. He di

RE: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-13 Thread Mark Iverson
: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 7:18 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury Come now, let's be realistic. He did not run because he would not have been safe anywhere in the world. When you damage so

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-12 Thread OrionWorks
Jed sez: > OrionWorks wrote: > > "Certainly, it is conceivable that Maddox had a few "assistants", > possibly playing their roles passively. But their "sins" are likely to > be more the "sins of omission" . . . > > What I think is far more alarming, perhaps even sinister, is the fact > that years

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: "Certainly, it is conceivable that Maddox had a few "assistants", possibly playing their roles passively. But their "sins" are likely to be more the "sins of omission" . . . What I think is far more alarming, perhaps even sinister, is the fact that years ago certain financial an

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-12 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jul 12, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Mauro Lacy wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: I don't know why he didn't run. He didn't ran because he was a scapegoat. Scapegoats don't run, by their very definition. It's always better to blame it all on a "lone

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-12 Thread Mauro Lacy
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > OrionWorks wrote: > >> >From Mario Lacy: >> >> Edmund Storms wrote: > Come now, let's be realistic. He did not run because he would not > have been safe anywhere in the world. When you damage so many people, > many of whom are very

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-12 Thread Mauro Lacy
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Mauro Lacy wrote: > >> Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: >> >>> I don't know why he didn't run. >>> >> He didn't ran because he was a scapegoat. Scapegoats don't run, by their >> very definition. >> It's always better to blame it all on a "lone shooter", than ac

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-11 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote: >>From Mario Lacy: > >>> Edmund Storms wrote: Come now, let's be realistic. He did not run because he would not have been safe anywhere in the world. When you damage so many people, many of whom are very powerful and will connected to the Jewish community, y

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-11 Thread OrionWorks
>From Mario Lacy: >> Edmund Storms wrote: >> > Come now, let's be realistic. He did not run because he would not >> > have been safe anywhere in the world. When you damage so many people, >> > many of whom are very powerful and will connected to the Jewish >> > community, you will be killed very s

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-11 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Mauro Lacy wrote: > Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: >> I don't know why he didn't run. > > He didn't ran because he was a scapegoat. Scapegoats don't run, by their > very definition. > It's always better to blame it all on a "lone shooter", than acknowledge > the corruption within the system. This is

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-11 Thread Mauro Lacy
Edmund Storms wrote: > Come now, let's be realistic. He did not run because he would not have > been safe anywhere in the world. When you damage so many people, many > of whom are very powerful and will connected to the Jewish community, > you will be killed very soon after leaving the US. B

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-11 Thread Edmund Storms
Come now, let's be realistic. He did not run because he would not have been safe anywhere in the world. When you damage so many people, many of whom are very powerful and will connected to the Jewish community, you will be killed very soon after leaving the US. Besides, his family was also

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-11 Thread Mauro Lacy
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > I don't know why he didn't run. He didn't ran because he was a scapegoat. Scapegoats don't run, by their very definition. It's always better to blame it all on a "lone shooter", than acknowledge the corruption within the system.

[Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-11 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Craig Haynie (Houston) wrote on 7-11-09: It reminds me of Greg Watson. We never could figure out what his motive was. He claimed to have found an anomaly in magnetic fields that he could exploit. He claimed to have built a magnetic track which would move a ball around the track indefinitely. But

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread OrionWorks
>From Mr. Lawrence: ... > I don't know why he didn't run. ... Shoot! I'm still alive! I thought I'd surely die in my bed of silken sheets before everything unraveled. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote: > > Perhaps it's time to move on. D'accord. I'm too much of a cynic anyway. I shall stop venting here.

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Fraud: 2. (Law) An intentional perversion of truth for the purpose of obtaining some valuable thing or promise from another. Valuable a. 1. Having value or worth; possessing qualities which are useful and esteemed; precious; costly; as, a valuable horse; valuable land; a valuable cargo. If

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread Craig Haynie
It reminds me of Greg Watson. We never could figure out what his motive was. He claimed to have found an anomaly in magnetic fields that he could exploit. He claimed to have built a magnetic track which would move a ball around the track indefinitely. But it could never be looked at independently.

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread OrionWorks
Occam's razor suggests to me that the most likely explanation of what happened is that the engineers and researchers at Steorn simply deluded themselves. It's easy to do, I know from personal experience – even with the best intentions, especially if you believe you are interpreting and/or applying

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > I have not been following the story. Is there evidence that they > benefited financially? It isn't a fraud unless someone is defrauded. They had investors. I think that says it all. Not necessarily. As I said, it depends on how they spent the money. (I have no i

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: > Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > >> The Steorn engineers are not self-deluded. >> >> They're dishonest. >> >> Fraudulent. > > I have not been following the story. Is there evidence that they > benefited financially? It isn't a fraud unless someone is defrauded. They had inves

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: The Steorn engineers are not self-deluded. They're dishonest. Fraudulent. I have not been following the story. Is there evidence that they benefited financially? It isn't a fraud unless someone is defrauded. People have claimed the Mills is a fraud, but I see ze

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote: >>From Terry: > >> http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=61849&page=1#Item_0 > > The steorn saga has been a real education for me. > > Whether it is naivety on my part or not, I was willing to give the > benefit of the doubt to Steorn's engineers in assuming t

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread OrionWorks
>From Terry: > http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=61849&page=1#Item_0 The steorn saga has been a real education for me. Whether it is naivety on my part or not, I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Steorn's engineers in assuming that they had accurately detected a

[Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-10 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=61849&page=1#Item_0 Here is an excerpt from a message in the above thread. It's actually heresay (not directly from a juror); but, it rings true: "I wasn't on the jury and first got to hear of it last year through some university people. They