At 11:41 AM 7/5/2012, Finlay MacNab wrote:
Wait!
Suddenly you admit that the authors don't believe the field is
3000V/cm within the electrolyte? Maybe you should read the paper
again in order to fully understand it.
No. While I'm not a mind reader, it does appear that the authors
believe t
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> Subject: RE: [Vo]:SPAWAR has yet to respond re simple error in claims of
> effects of external high voltage dc fields inside a conducting electrolyte:
> Rich Murray 2012.03.01 2012.07.02
>
> At 12:00 PM 7/4/2012, Finlay MacNab wrote:
> >Your argume
At 04:29 PM 7/4/2012, Rich Murray wrote:
Well, there's a saying in Zen about swallowing the Niagara Falls in
one gulp -- perhaps a tsunami of verbal arguments by Lomax may float
visions that are plausibly contrary to the visions aired by Murray --
but the possiblities of micro and nano level stor
We do not know what the reaction is.
Storms proposes that d e d (two deuterons with an
electron in between) are trapped in cracks in the
Pd, and that a slow process results in fusion
with release of energy as a series of X-rays
resonant in the crack. I and, I suspect, most
physicists, don't
Values are found in some work substantially
higher, but it is generally consistent with a
theory that the actual reaction Q is the
deuterium value, but roughly half if the helium
is being trapped in the cathode or otherwise
escaping detection. Helium *is* apparently
trapped in the cathode, ne
At 12:00 PM 7/4/2012, Finlay MacNab wrote:
Your argument assumes that the there is no air
gap between the dielectric and the charged
plates. It also assumes that the electrolyte
behaves like a regular 100ohm resistor.
The plates are against the cell walls. Sure, you
can make up an air gap.
the source.
As you are suggesting, reliable data must be available to support the
conclusions.
Dave
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From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l
Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SPAWAR has yet to respond re simple error in claims of
effects of external high
Well, there's a saying in Zen about swallowing the Niagara Falls in
one gulp -- perhaps a tsunami of verbal arguments by Lomax may float
visions that are plausibly contrary to the visions aired by Murray --
but the possiblities of micro and nano level storage and release of
chemical energy by bubbl
I wrote:
Assuming for the moment that the 40 MeV/4He result is solid and can be
> reliably replicated, and going with helium as a predominant non-radiative
> byproduct, what does this say about the reactions involved? Does it mean
> that there would need to be more than helium generation, or is t
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
wrote:
Actual experimental results are more toward double, the value, over 40
> MeV/He-4, which very likely reflects the difficulty in capturing all the
> helium (if helium is not captured and measured, particularly if it remains
> trapped in t
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, if one presumes that it
means anything.
At 12:11 AM 7/4/2012, Rich Murray wrote:
I'm glad to see my post has ignited a local hot spot in Vortex-L...
Some good will come out of it. I do intend to take this to the
original authors for comment, privately
012 11:12:02 -0500
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
> From: a...@lomaxdesign.com
> Subject: RE: [Vo]:SPAWAR has yet to respond re simple error in claims of
> effects of external high voltage dc fields inside a conducting electrolyte:
> Rich Murray 2012.03.01 201
At 11:46 PM 7/3/2012, Finlay MacNab wrote:
Sorry, I fail to see why the voltage drop is 3kv across the acrylic
layer. Why is that exactly?
There are three regions involved, between the plates that are
connected to a high voltage supply, 6 KV.
There is the first cell wall, 1/16 inch (1.6 mm)
varying electric field by redistributing the ions in solution.
>
>> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 23:17:01 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:SPAWAR has yet to respond re simple error in claims of
>> effects of external high voltage dc fields inside a conducting electrolyte:
>> Rich Murray
: [Vo]:SPAWAR has yet to respond re simple error in claims of
effects of external high voltage dc fields inside a conducting electrolyte:
Rich Murray 2012.03.01 2012.07.02
I think your assessment is spot on Jeff.
The only question in my mind is whether or not the mixing of the electrolyte
s is still present.
-Mark
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MacNap: It should be noted that in an electrolyte the current results
from a chemical reaction at the anode and cathode (in this case the
generation of hydrogen and oxygen) there are no free charge carriers
in the solution itself. The cations and anions are bound together by
electrostatic attract
I'm glad to see my post has ignited a local hot spot in Vortex-L...
Lomax: Um, very highly unlikely. The plastic walls are intact, or
electrolyte would leak out. They have high dielectric resistance. If
this is acrylic, it's about 1/16 inch thick. Current will be very,
very low. If there is leaka
claimsof
> effects of external high voltage dc fields inside a conducting electrolyte:
> Rich Murray 2012.03.01 2012.07.02
>
> At 08:02 PM 7/3/2012, Finlay MacNab wrote:
> >To clarify:
> >
> >An electrolyte does not conduct. Chemical reactions occur at the
>
At 10:17 PM 7/3/2012, Jeff Driscoll wrote:
Here are my two cents from reading up on dielectrics:
With the 6000 V capacitor isolated from the electrolyte by the
plastic, the electrolyte acts as a dielectric which reduces the E
field in the electrolyte almost to zero in the middle but increases
t
400
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:SPAWAR has yet to respond re simple error in claims of
> effects of external high voltage dc fields inside a conducting electrolyte:
> Rich Murray 2012.03.01 2012.07.02
> From: hcarb...@gmail.com
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>
> Here are my two
At 11:47 PM 7/2/2012, Rich Murray wrote:
Robert V. Duncan shows a slide from SPAWAR Navy lab (Pamela
Mosier-Boss) that claims a 6 kv DC electric field from plates external
to a wet conducting electrolyte has effects within the electrolyte --
but the reality in simple electrostatics is the electr
Here are my two cents from reading up on dielectrics:
With the 6000 V capacitor isolated from the electrolyte by the
plastic, the electrolyte acts as a dielectric which reduces the E
field in the electrolyte almost to zero in the middle but increases
the the capacitance of the capacitor.
If ther
At 08:02 PM 7/3/2012, Finlay MacNab wrote:
To clarify:
An electrolyte does not conduct. Chemical reactions occur at the
electrodes that accept and give up electrons. Current flows through
the metal conductors between the anode and cathode.
An electrolyte does conduct. That is, there is mov
At 07:26 PM 7/3/2012, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
There was one figure which shows the visual manifestations
photographed from the experiments, with the theoretical model of the
E-flds (on the right). It was very clear that fields were present
in the electrolyte, as one could see the manifestati
Hey Mark,
Very interesting links (although I dont have full access to the second one).
From: zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:SPAWAR has yet to respond re simple error in claims of
effects of external high voltage dc fields inside a conducting electrolyte
them, and then put your two probes into the air gap?
> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 19:13:40 -0500
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
> From: a...@lomaxdesign.com
> Subject: RE: [Vo]:SPAWAR has yet to respond re simple error in claims of
> effects of external h
A quick web-search verifies that E-fields most assuredly CAN exist in
conductive electrolytes. for both DC and AC conditions.
Electric fields in an electrolyte solution near a strip of fixed potential
http://jcp.aip.org/resource/1/jcpsa6/v123/i13/p134705_s1
Excerpt from Abstract:
"Ele
From: Finlay MacNab [mailto:finlaymac...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 1:45 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:SPAWAR has yet to respond re simple error in claims of
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Rich Murray 2012.03.01 2012.07.02
At 03:44 PM 7/3/2012, Finlay MacNab wrote:
It should be noted that in an electrolyte the current results from a
chemical reaction at the anode and cathode (in this case the
generation of hydrogen and oxygen) there are no free charge carriers
in the solution itself. The cations and anions are b
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> From: a...@lomaxdesign.com
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:SPAWAR has yet to respond re simple error in claims of
> effects of external high voltage dc fields inside a conducting electrolyte:
> Rich Murray 2012.03.01 2012.07.02
>
> At 11:47 PM 7/2
At 11:47 PM 7/2/2012, Rich Murray wrote:
SPAWAR has yet to respond re simple error in claims of effects of
external high voltage dc fields inside a conducting electrolyte: Rich
Murray 2012.03.01 2012.07.02
Coldfusionnow.org posted the following video today: 68 minutes April, 2012
Robert Duncan
SPAWAR has yet to respond re simple error in claims of effects of
external high voltage dc fields inside a conducting electrolyte: Rich
Murray 2012.03.01 2012.07.02
Coldfusionnow.org posted the following video today: 68 minutes April, 2012
Robert Duncan discusses experiments at Sidney Kimmel Inst
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