https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/17/ufo-report-marco-rubio-urges-us-take-seriously-uap
I think something that many are missing in this analysis it that inertial mass
is not a conserved property of the universe.
craft.
From: Frank Znidarsic
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 10:35 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
I think something that many are missing in this analysis it that inertial mass
is not a conserved property of the universe.
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Hi Frank,
As you wrote below, do you mean that momentum can disappear?
Or that momentum can be 'created' from other fields storing a potential
energy?
Does this allow a Z-wave, per se, to become an inertial transformer? In
principle.
Thanks,
DonEM
On 5/27/2021 8:34 AM, Frank Znidarsi
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To: Vortex People
Subject: Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
Hi Frank,
As you wrote below, do you mean that momentum can disappear?
Or that momentum can be 'created' from other fields storing a potential energy?
Does this allow a Z-wave, per se, to become a
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transformer? In principle.
Thanks,
DonEM
-Original Message-
From: Chris Zell
To: don86...@gmail.com ; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 9:59 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
There was a French physicist ( Vialle?) who
In reply to Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Sat, 29 May 2021 00:34:55 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]
>The only conserved quantity is Energy. Momentum always decays into heat
>entropy, field energy.
>
>You should not mix up naked mechanics with ideal actions with real
>mechanics in a real world.
>
>Just look at
This needs no drawing as it is basics of basics.
Momenta are vector sums. You can take any body and a duplicate.
You now can argue that any process of momentum conversion also
transports the momentum. For this you have to show that this also holds
for the final phonons.
But now we face the l
In reply to Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Sat, 29 May 2021 13:39:50 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]
>This needs no drawing as it is basics of basics.
>
>Momenta are vector sums. You can take any body and a duplicate.
>
>You now can argue that any process of momentum conversion also
>transports the momentum. For
FWIW momentum is conserved (time-invariant), whereas conservation of energy
is a consequence of CoM..
The real meat and potatoes here is that any 'energy' derivation always has
an equivalent metric comprised of the same components as momentum, just
evolving differently (ie. mV compared to ½mV²) -
On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 10:41 AM Vibrator ! wrote:
>
> TL;DR - What's worse: crashing a car into an immovable static obstacle
> at some given speed, or else crashing into an identical oncoming car while
> both are at half that speed? Hood-mounted radar would thus see identical
> closing speeds
> Cars are structurally complex. Just consider rubber balls of equal size and
> use their deformation as a measure of "damage". If the two rubber balls
> move towards each other they will deform an equal amount when they collide.
> If one rubber ball is resting against a massive wall and the other
Me, I stay away from the UFO community.
But my brother Dave in Ft. Myers sure doesn't! For years he's been
running a private facebook group for... USN pilots who commonly
eyewitnessed weird hypervelocity aircraft, those now called "Tic-tac"
events. All the pilots are meeting privately on fa
I’m afraid I truly don’t understand your ideas. I have read about Wallace but
the tolerances and speeds look way beyond what I can build.
My ideas try to exploit simple empiricism.
First, investigate all anomalies and crazy inventions.
Discard the 99.9% that are crap.
Build and iterate the rem
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 5:08 PM William Beaty wrote:
>
> Me, I stay away from the UFO community.
>
Wise move. Thanks, Bill.
In the late 80s, before the Internet, I was a Moderator on the CompuServe
Encounters forum for the MUFON section. I had been a Saucer Seeker since
reading *Incident at E
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 20 May 2021 17:54:44 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>The one question that remains in
>my mind is:
>
>ARE WE FOOD OR ARE WE PETS?
They know we are intelligent, and we are not food. They guide us in our
development somewhat, and occasionally lend a
hand when needed,
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 6:22 PM Robin
wrote:
> In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 20 May 2021 17:54:44 -0400:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >The one question that remains in
> >my mind is:
> >
> >ARE WE FOOD OR ARE WE PETS?
>
> They know we are intelligent, and we are not food. They guide us in our
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 20 May 2021 18:53:24 -0400:
Hi Terry,
[snip]
>I hope you are right; however, my research tells me that they are taking
>something from us. And I really don't think they give a hoot about the
>Prime Directive.
What research, and what do you think they a
Probably Social Darwnists -> where think they can do whatever they like
to inferior species
-- Original Message --
From: "Terry Blanton"
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, 20 May, 21 At 23:53
Subject: Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
They are taking the piss. :-)
On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 23:59, Robin
wrote:
> In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 20 May 2021 18:53:24 -0400:
> Hi Terry,
> [snip]
> >I hope you are right; however, my research tells me that they are taking
> >something from us. And I really don't think the
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 5:54 PM Terry Blanton wrote:
>
>>
> ARE WE FOOD OR ARE WE PETS?
>
>
Food for their pets.
Harry
Even for those of us seriously doubt (that any ET visitation has occurred in
the past history of mankind) - we can nevertheless enjoy speculation about what
exactly - such a visitation would look like, if or when it actually happened.
This exercise has significant entertainment value, if nothin
What I wonder about is:
What could we possibly have that they would want, that they can’t freely
provide for themselves?
And
How can they have any sort of unified command or enforcement of a Prime
Directive since any one of them could reveal their existence in such an obvious
fashion as to ac
One of the more interesting possibilities is that the Visitors do not
travel in space but in time. They could be humans from the future who have
manipulated their genome to attempt to eradicate the unwanted faults of
human nature. But they have discovered that they also eliminated some of
the des
Jones Beene wrote:
In that case, the most likely thing ET would need to continue their mission
> is replacement of advanced chips and electronics. To get these parts,
> however, they might first need to intervene somehow in the normal process
> of R&D on earth by influencing progress and directin
I wrote:
> I think there is no likelihood aliens would need help from us, and no
> likelihood they crashed or their equipment failed. A technology capable of
> crossing interstellar space with devices as large as this would be
> "indistinguishable from magic" (Clarke) and it would be hundreds or
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 5:08 PM William Beaty wrote:
Me, I stay away from the UFO community.
Wise move. Thanks, Bill.
Back in the day, my website was only for FE/OU, antigravity, CF.
I was constantly having to tell people, if you want UFOs, just freakin' go
to the HUUUGE number of fl
I sent my book to the people doing this study research at the Pentagon. As
usual I have heard noting. Not even the the, It Was Interesting put down.
Frank
Michael Foster wrote:
> Everyone just assumes that these visitors must be from civilizations far
> advanced from our own. That may or may not be true.
>
If they are actually visitors from other civilizations, they have to be far
advanced. They cannot be from anywhere in the solar system. Our ro
I can't blame anyone for staying away from the UFO "community". Real
information is really difficult to weed out of the profusion of BS that
pervades. There is so much fakery and pseudo-religion associated with what are
probably real phenomena, that it is wise not to become involved.
But besi
If UFOs are actually visitors from other civilizations, they must have a
technology that is far more advanced than ours is. But don't be concerned,
there are no other civilizations involved with UFOs... these fearful
objects are but a dimly seen preview of a new epoch in science and
technology that
What if UFOs are actually Weakly interacting massive particles (WIMP).
Maybe the common conception of what a particle can be is too limited at
least in terms of size. What if UFOs are the appearance of dark matter on
earth. I have a number of reasons in support of this conjecture.
A case in point,
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 23 May 2021 15:36:43 -0400:
Hi,
Perhaps the piezoelectric effect caused by pressure on the geological strata
creates localized high voltages that ionize
the air.
>What if UFOs are actually Weakly interacting massive particles (WIMP).
>Maybe the common co
I suggest to the US defense department that they assume a more proactive
posture to analyze the nature of the UFO by probing the physical nature of
the UFOs that are intruding into US restricted airspace as follows:
I suggest that one of the most intelligent and capable Super Hornet
missiles: the
Coincidentally - this turned up in the morning's news feed...
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/when-lab-experiments-carry-theological-implications
Looking beyond so-called 'common sense' and/or 'scientific proof' - in the
broader debate over the reality of ET phenomena - there is no valid reas
A few thoughts about UFO’s:
If I was an Alien, I’d think twice about eating humans or anything else on this
planet. Pollution, toxic metals, plastic residue and God knows what else is in
the meat. Like eating seafood with potential mercury in it. Don’t touch that
human, you don’t know where
Perhaps Earth is used as the interstellar equivalent of the island of
St Helena for undesirable aliens.
Or maybe aliens are marooned here by accident because they ventured
too close to some sort of cosmic vortex which hurls them to our solar
system.
Harry
On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 9:47 AM Chris Ze
"So what are they?" From Fran Blanche
Part 1
https://youtu.be/a6tDHZj5q5Q
Part 2
https://youtu.be/FTermh1w_0A
Harry
On Mon., May 24, 2021, 10:06 a.m. H LV, wrote:
> Perhaps Earth is used as the interstellar equivalent of the island of
> St Helena for undesirable aliens.
>
> Or maybe aliens are
As for Aliens getting marooned here, I wonder about a similar idea.
Both "Communion" and Linda Howe claim Aliens have something to do with an
afterlife. I wonder if we are undesirable as to reincarnation elsewhere so
they set things up to keep us here. Not on my planet, Monkey-Boy.
CAUTION:
for selling your soul etc.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Zell"
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com"
Sent: Monday, 24 May, 21 At 17:36
Subject: RE: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
As for Aliens getting marooned here, I wonder about a simil
On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 1:21 PM ROGER ANDERTON
wrote:
> Well, aliens supposedly refer to people as containers for souls
>
Ah, yes. That reminds me of *Passport to Magonia*, probably Jacques
Vallee's best work.
https://www.reiters.com/book/9780987422484
Dear Vortex People,
Thank you for sharing! Zoom zoom!
Tweak my psycho-glandular index! Make me leak personal thoughts! I
love the topic of alien mind assisting humanity as a finger of sentient
universal intelligence.
--floating away--
Perhaps the universe is more-way-very-far advanced
Dear Vortex People,
Thank you for sharing! Zoom zoom!
Tweak my psycho-glandular index! Make me leak personal thoughts! I
love the topic of alien mind assisting humanity as a finger of sentient
universal intelligence.
--floating away--
Perhaps the universe is more-way-very-far advanced
Copies of Magonia are difficult to find and expensive. Mine is lost in one
of my moves; but, I have found a copy available online that may be
downloaded:
https://ia800904.us.archive.org/3/items/PassportToMagonia--UFOsFolkloreAndParallelWorldsJacquesVallee1993/Passport%20to%20Magonia%E2%80%94UFOs%
ways forward on time axis but perpendicular to 3 space.
From: Jones Beene
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 9:14 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a
month
Coincidentally - this turned up in the morning's news feed...
https://getpocket.com/e
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