Re: [Vo]:Water into Wine?

s solar in numero uno over algae as the lead alternate energy source for the future. However, there are a host of "related" research projects past and present that can " reflect" upon technology and lend clues to how to "farm" algae, clues that include the water into

[Vo]:Water into Wine?

Sign of the 'tight' times? Alcohol is too valuable to drink anymore - since we need it for auto fuel. OK... but... What's a poor boy to do, say for a few cheap thrills at the DimeBox these daze? Not to worry: http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/spinfield-effects.htm Whoa -- I almost ordered one

Re: water into wine

Hmmm.. the link Pliliplaven link that Grimer posted showing the graphs has me intrigued. http://www.philiplaven.com/p20.html  In my mind's eye, I keep seeing a spiral, perhaps a helix pattern in lieu of a seeming random of the imaginary shown in graph 6. Look carefully at graph 5 again, do I s

RE: ...water into wine...

s? K. -Original Message- From: Grimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 1:04 PM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: ...water into wine... I have been following up on the possibility that the proximity of c to the integer three times ten to an integral power might not b

Re: water into wine

Grimer posted a link to refractive indices. Interesting stuff  but I am missing something. Do I notice a conflict with graph 4 and Segelstein's values. The parallels on graph 4 seem to be at odds with graph 6. Behavior is never parallel unless the graph 4 is derived at best. Graph 6 can give

Re: ...water into wine...

I have been following up on the possibility that the proximity of c to the integer three times ten to an integral power might not be the coincidence it logically seems but a manifestation of a subtle connection between water and light. Crazy - possibly - but certainly fun - and a way of pain

Re: ...water into wine...

ssage - From: "Grimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: Re: ...water into wine... In Mike Carrell's "BLP implementation path" post of Thu, 14 Apr 2005 he writes: === "

Re: ...water into wine...

In Mike Carrell's "BLP implementation path" post of Thu, 14 Apr 2005 he writes: === "The BLP process uses certain catalytic ions to induce atomic hydrogen atoms to collapse to a lower state, called hydrinos. A cascade of collapse

Re: ...water into wine...

At 03:26 pm 14-04-05 +, I wrote: > .. represents >the inverse of a black body, viz a white body or >a perfect absorber. CORRECTION - This was badly expressed to put it mildly 8-(. A black body is of course a perfect emitter and absorber. By a white body

Re: ...water into wine...

Having discovered the connection between water and the speed of light I felt it might be valuable to have another look at the three vapour pressure power relations. (see http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/strange.html#tv ) In the first post of the ...upon the clouds of heaven... thread (Date: Sun,

Re: water into wine

Jones suggested trying microwaves at the resonant frequency of water ( 22Ghz) to aim down the hollow shaft.   Hmmm. That would take a calibrated tube diameter. We had thought of installing thin wall tubing inside the hollow shaft coming in from the top, but surrendered the idea in favor of br

Re: water into wine

--- RC Macaulay wrote: > BlankAs our applied research continues on an > inductor that generates higher rotational speed > vortexes up to 10,000RPM, one of our tasks include > designing a hollowshaft unit that will permit firing > a UV laser light directly into the center cone of > the vortex tog

Re: water into wine

As our applied research continues on an inductor that generates higher rotational speed vortexes up to 10,000RPM, one of our tasks include designing a hollowshaft unit that will permit firing a UV laser light directly into the center cone of the vortex together with a  sonic gun that can shoo

Re: water into wine

The thought of water having properties in the order of a capacitor begs the question of HOW or what exactly triggers the discharge. Thinking of the energy discharged across the duration of a hurricane or tornado is astounding because an actual buildup of energy occurs as  the storm intensifi

Re: ...water into wine...

When I followed up Jones's suggestion that the binding energy of the water is 498 calories... === http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/phase.html#c5 If the heat of vaporization of water at 100°C is 539 cal., then

Re: water into wine

FW Lew,  interesting gif 's  shown on your link.   You mention reversing the rotation of a vortex. We have a plexiglas test tank used for observing the generation of a vortex by a mixer.. see www.gasmastrrr.com for a view of the vortex pattern induced by a 3450 RPM rotating member.   Using a

Re: water into wine

to know how I dynamise by generating a liquidvortex in a washing machine. Please click Vortex: Generation of a Liquid Vortexhttp://lewfh.tripod.com/coloursarecodedfrequenciesinphotonicbandgapcrystalstructures/With regrads Lew       - Original Message - From:

Re: ...water into wine...

At 10:32 pm 10-04-05 -0500, Richard wrote: > Thanks Frank and Jones, > I often use the GSU physics website for reference. > > From the series of posts on this thread I suggest > water has the ability to mimic the energy storage > ability like a capacitor has the ability to store > an electric

Re: water into wine

Thanks Frank and Jones, I often use the GSU physics website for reference.   From the series of posts on this thread I suggest water has the ability to mimic the  energy storage ability like a capacitor has the ability to store an electric charge. From our work using vortex mixing some intere

Re: ...water into wine...

To recap from a few posts previous in this thread, we have the quasi-Fluid phase providing 2 dimensions of strain energy, and us providing one dimension of strain energy to feed the voracious quasi-Solid phase with its 3 square meals (correction: that should of course be 3 cubic meals) of strain

Re: water into wine

At 09:10 pm 09-04-05 -0500, Richard wrote: > Frank, > I have been studying the posts on this thread > with ever increasing interest. That's nice. 8^) > Finally, a simple like me DID grasp your simplified math. Don't undersell yourself, Richard. You are possibly the only Vort apart f

Re: water into wine

Frank, I have been studying the posts on this thread with ever increasing interest. Finally, a simple like me DID grasp your simplified math and " shazzam" I saw another side.   Richard   <>

Re: ...water into wine...

The following section continues the analysis started in previous posts. === With reference to the volume change versus temperature relation shown in the third Figure on the page at. http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/strange.html#tv ..I now realise that

Re: water into wine

RC Macaulay writes, "Interesting to watch a skilled bricklayer use a " certain" type trowel to remove very old mortar from a used brick. notice very carefully that he strikes the brick near the old mortar and " shazzaam!!" the mortar instantly releases from the brick. Once had an old timer say he

Re: water into wine

Tensile strength of concrete.   Interesting to watch a skilled bricklayer use a " certain" type trowel to remove very old mortar from a used brick. notice very carefully that he strikes the brick near the old mortar and " shazzaam!!" the mortar instantly releases from the brick. Once had an ol

Re: ...water into wine...

Consider the following mechanical arrangement. Set B (3 rods) Set A (2 rods) I==I I===I I --->I I===

Steam electricity ...& water into wine...

I meant to mention this pdf file a couple of weeks ago (but, alas, in the 'spirit' of "omnis homo primum bonum vinum ponit et cum inebriati fuerint tunc id quod deterius est tu servasti bonum vinum usque adhuc" let's just say, here it is and better late than never (or potius sero quam num

RE: ...water into wine...

At 12:28 pm 30-03-05 -0500, Keith wrote: >Horace writes: >>It would be very useful if someone who has access to the paper would >>summarize "Arc-liberated chemical energy exceeds electrical input energy", >>Journal of Plasma Physics, Vol.63, part 2, p.115 (2000). > >Here's an online source > >htt

Re: ...water into wine...

At 05:28 am 30-03-05 -0900, you wrote: >Conjecture: microwaving degassed deionized water is just as effective as >exposing it to sunlight for the purposes of increasing energy yield when >exploding it in a Graneau style gun. > >Regards, > >Horace Heffner Sounds plausible to me. It even

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At 05:02 am 30-03-05 -0900, Horace wrote: >Scientific research should not be biased by belief systems, though of >course it is. It is a search for truth, whatever the answers might be. I >certainly do agree that engineering and invention on the other hand require >extreme faith that what is a

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Horace writes: >It would be very useful if someone who has access to the paper would >summarize "Arc-liberated chemical energy exceeds electrical input energy", >Journal of Plasma Physics, Vol.63, part 2, p.115 (2000). Here's an online source http://journals.cambridge.org/bin/bladerunner?REQUNIQ

RE: ...water into wine...

Frank- Water injection was used for the afterburnners.-Ges

RE: ...water into wine...

Further googling on Graneau "cold fog" has turned up this interesting paragraph == http://www.df.lth.se/~snorkelf/Longitudinal/node3.html The production of fog and mist has made Peter and Neal Graneau suggest that the chemical bonding ener

Re: ...water into wine...

Conjecture: microwaving degassed deionized water is just as effective as exposing it to sunlight for the purposes of increasing energy yield when exploding it in a Graneau style gun. Regards, Horace Heffner

Re: ...water into wine...

> >-- >> Since using the Graneau approach there is no repeatable >> closed cycle, the >COP is small, and the input is in the >> form of expensive electrical energy, >there are some serious >> hurdles remaining to jump to obtain a practical >> device. > > >

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At 7:21 PM 3/29/5, Keith Nagel wrote: >Just what the hell _is_ a cold >fog accelerator anyway??? The mind boggles at such an >exotic piece of kit (wink). Maybe not so exotic. Check out: Regards, Horace Heffner

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At 6:34 PM 3/29/5, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Horace- Could the water over unity phenomina be the the power of >Hurricanes? ges- I don't understand why this is addressed to me as opposed to vortex in general. I don't in fact know there does or does not exist a true overunity phenomenon as

RE: ...water into wine...

At 7:21 PM 3/29/5, Keith Nagel wrote: >We're all talking about this, but have any of >you found and read the actual paper? Just what the hell _is_ a cold >fog accelerator anyway??? The mind boggles at such an >exotic piece of kit (wink). I apparently was under the false impression I had read this

Re: ...water into wine...

At 02:06 pm 29-03-05 -0800, Jones wrote: ... >If Graneau is listening here is a suggestion - try using >superchilled water at about 30,000 psi and around 126 degree >K in order to get into the water through the ice-3 or ice-9 >regime, after which there should be an enormous phase change >and do

RE: ...water into wine...

March 29, 2005 9:35 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: ...water into wine... Horace- Could the water over unity phenomina be the the power of Hurricanes? ges- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.5 - Release Date: 05/03/29

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Horace- Could the water over unity phenomina be the the power of Hurricanes? ges-

RE: ...water into wine...

is_ a cold fog accelerator anyway??? The mind boggles at such an exotic piece of kit (wink). K. -Original Message- From: Frederick Sparber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:22 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: ...water into wine... Hi Keith, you

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t;there are some serious > hurdles remaining to jump to obtain a practical > device. Absolutely. But let's not be party poopers. Let's try to look on the bright side and believe that the difficulties can be overcome. I do. 8-) ---------

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Frederick Sparber writes, > > Hi Horace, you write: Graneau does indeed suggest there exists some mechanism whereby energy can be stored in molecular bonds, and that the source of the energy so stored is solar. > I think the proper term for the molecular (solar stored) energy effect is called Fl

Re: ...water into wine...

ean by "closed box mechanism" and "over unity". If we can get more KE out of water than the electrical energy we put it, that's good enough for me, folks. Since using the Graneau approach there is no repeatable closed cycle, the COP is small, and the input is in the for

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At 5:21 AM 3/29/5, Frederick Sparber wrote: > Older and Wiser on my 72nd Birthday. Happy Birthday to Horace Heffner, >Vince Cockeram, >and Martin Fleischmann, too. Happy Birthday to you too Fred! Regards, Horace Heffner

Re: ...water into wine...

ke place in complete darkness, albeit >possibly at a slower rate. Experiment would soon provide >a definitive answer, one way or the other. > > >> Unless there has been some development of which I am >> unaware, there is no repeatable closed box mechanism >> suggested to repeatably create "over unity" energy. > > >As Professor Joad was wont to remark - it all depends >what you mean by "closed box mechanism" and "over unity". > >If we can get more KE out of water than the electrical >energy we put it, that's good enough for me, folks. Since using the Graneau approach there is no repeatable closed cycle, the COP is small, and the input is in the form of expensive electrical energy, there are some serious hurdles remaining to jump to obtain a practical device. > >In other words, if we can recognise that water is a >fuel just like petrol - only a bit different - then >as far as I am concerned we have achieved >"...water into wine..." 8-) Unfortuately, it is not only recognition or belief that is required. A practical device is required. Regards, Horace Heffner

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Hi Keith, you wrote   > > > Hi Horace, you write:> > However, Graneau and Graneau do> > indeed suggest there exists some mechanism whereby energy can be stored in> >  molecular bonds, and that the source of the energy so stored is solar.> > Calling Fred Sparber, come in Fred Sparber, here's the

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s what you mean by "closed box mechanism" and "over unity". If we can get more KE out of water than the electrical energy we put it, that's good enough for me, folks. In other words, if we can recognise that water is a fuel just like petrol - only a bit different - t

RE: ...water into wine...

Hi Horace, you write: >However, Graneau and Graneau do >indeed suggest there exists some mechanism whereby energy can be stored in >molecular bonds, and that the source of the energy so stored is solar. Calling Fred Sparber, come in Fred Sparber, here's the first experiment that seems to show the

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At 12:49 AM 3/28/5, Grimer wrote: >Whilst researching the work of the Graneau's I >came across the following. > > > >http://users.erols.com/iri/FutureEnergyTech.html > > Cold Fog Discovery > >Many other systems exist today, in a research, >dev

Re: ...water into wine...

Whilst researching the work of the Graneau's I came across the following. http://users.erols.com/iri/FutureEnergyTech.html Cold Fog Discovery Many other systems exist today, in a research, development, or theoretical stage, which also

Re: ...water into wine...

In his post of 22 February 2005 (attached below) Jones outlined a farsighted procedure for harnessing the Beta-atmosphere/ZPE using "extremely energetic mechanical failure, which can be due to brittle failure, or to phase- shift (allotrope) failure." Jones points out the large energy available

Re: ...water into wine...

Developing the ...water into wine... theme, I had recourse to one of Beene's old posts and was impressed by how prescient it was. Bits like, for instance. = Now, consider the implications of "Dry Ice Blasting." Dry

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It' funny when you think about it (peculiar not Ha-Ha) that water and carbon - the two most important constituents of the human body - have a lot in common. Carbon has two main allotropes, Diamond and Graphite. carbon black makes three, and fullerine makes four. Water also has two main allotropes,

...water into wine...

It' funny when you think about it (peculiar not Ha-Ha) that water and carbon - the two most important constituents of the human body - have a lot in common. Carbon has two main allotropes, Diamond and Graphite. Water also has two main allotropes, Water and Ice. Now it's true that we normally