BWAHAHAHAHHAHHAAA
wow. yeah, all the islamic countries are third world. thats why,
before we invaded, iraq had a higher standard of living and qol than
we, and complete equality for men and women, including equal pay laws
that we still refuse to pass here. your ignorance is showing.
On Thu, 2
At 2:45 AM 3/26/5, thomas malloy wrote:
and Horace Heffner replied;
>
You believe what you want to believe.
I have suggested two propositions and a conclusion. These things are not a
matter of my faith or what I believe. What matters is the general doctrine
of Christians, Jews, and Moslems conce
Terry Blanton wrote:
--- revtec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Lucifer is
Lucifer is not Satan. There is but one reference to
Lucifer in the bible. Do you know it and to what it refers?
As the one who first refered to Lucifer here, I should admit that I
didn't check the name in the rele
--- Horace Heffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Uncanny the relvance and possible future relevance
> of Isaiah to modern times.
Yathink? The PVTs (Prophet Veracity Filters) of the
time were quite sharp and steep.
"I came *this* close . . . "
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At 6:43 AM 3/26/5, Terry Blanton wrote:
>Lucifer is not Satan. There is but one reference to
>Lucifer in the bible. Do you know it and to what it refers?
Perhaps you refer to Is 14:12: "How you have fallen from heaven, O morning
star, son of the Dawn! You have been cast down to earth, you who
The "my God is better than your God" approach to religion disgusts and
frightens me. This use of God is only a thin disguise used by one group
to justify taking life, liberty, and property from another group. For
example, the white race thought they had the God given right to enslave
the black
At 2:45 AM 3/26/5, thomas malloy wrote:
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>Horace Heffner replied
>
>>At 11:14 AM 3/24/5, thomas malloy wrote:
>>
>>>The idea that Yehovah, and Allah are the same entity is pure
>>>nonsense. Ditto for the idea that Shariah is a substit
--- revtec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lucifer is
Lucifer is not Satan. There is but one reference to
Lucifer in the bible. Do you know it and to what it refers?
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- Original Message -
From: "Stephen A. Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: OT: The will of God
Lucifer is, of course, not exactly big on humankind -- according to the
Testament of Moses he is horribly jealous of Ada
Merlyn replied;
Fundamentalists always cite that God influenced those
keepers of knowledge so that the translation is just
as accurate as the original, but I have problems
believing that. History abounds with examples of men
misinterpreting scripture to justify heinous acts.
That's why it's import
Title: RE: OT: The will of God
Horace Heffner replied
At 11:14 AM 3/24/5, thomas malloy
wrote:
>The idea that Yehovah, and Allah are the same entity is pure
>nonsense. Ditto for the idea that Shariah is a substitute for
Torah.
>I thought I'd made the case adequately, but appar
> From: Terry Blanton
...
> I further conjecture that to be the Creation, it must
> be not G-d; therefore, all that lives is separate from
> G-d. If G-d is all that is Good; then, all that is
> must be Evil and the end of Creation is the return to
> G-d. Is this why 'live' is 'evil' spelled bac
Oops! That should read 'Nora Baron'.
"Onegod dogone it!"
- Me, after an insane day on the nutfarm.Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
First, how can something which
is all good spawn something evil? How can pure evil come from pure
good? Clearly it can't -- if the good gives birth to the evil then
the good must have incorporated the evil to start with and the good must
not have been pure good, after
LOL! You shouldn't read my posts. Sometimes my NLP goes haywire. :-)
Have you ever heard of the Cathars?
It's my own gnostic variation. Well, actually, I got it from a Playboy article about 30 years ago. It goes something like this. G-d got bored so he created Man for his entertainment.
Terry Blanton wrote:
I think you might find this of interest:
"There are certain striking similarities between the Hindu god
*Brahma* and his consort *Saraisvati,* and the Jewish *Abraham* and
*Sarai*, that are more than mere coincidences."
http://www.hermetics.org/Abraham2.html
Thanks -- v
Terry Blanton wrote:
Nope, I make no assumptions about the worshiper. The condition is
that G-d is Omnipresent. This is an interesting philosophy in that
before there was a Creation, there was only the Creator. The only
material to compose the Creation must come from the Creator;
therefore,
Nope, I make no assumptions about the worshiper. The condition is that G-d is Omnipresent. This is an interesting philosophy in that before there was a Creation, there was only the Creator. The only material to compose the Creation must come from the Creator; therefore, all that is, is G-d (depe
Terry Blanton wrote:
There is a general solution. If G-d is Omnipresent, there is but One
by exclusion; and, all monotheistic religions are worshiping the same
G-d by definition.
"I am that I am"
Um ... You are assuming all those who _think_ they are worshiping the
One God are indeed doing
I think you might find this of interest:
"There are certain striking similarities between the Hindu god Brahma and his consort Saraisvati, and the Jewish Abraham and Sarai, that are more than mere coincidences."
http://www.hermetics.org/Abraham2.html"Stephen A. Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro
> From: thomas malloy
...
> My first reaction was to say that I fail to see
> the connection between this part of Gulliver's Travels
> and the the question at hand. On further reflection
> You have the misguided idea that the difference
> between Judeo Christianity and Islam is the same
> diff
There is a general solution. If G-d is Omnipresent, there is but One by exclusion; and, all monotheistic religions are worshiping the same G-d by definition.
"I am that I am"Horace Heffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jews and Christians worship the god of Abraham. Islamists worship the godof Abra
Horace Heffner wrote:
At 11:14 AM 3/24/5, thomas malloy wrote:
The idea that Yehovah, and Allah are the same entity is pure
nonsense. Ditto for the idea that Shariah is a substitute for Torah.
I thought I'd made the case adequately, but apparently I didn't.
You completely failed to address
At 11:14 AM 3/24/5, thomas malloy wrote:
>The idea that Yehovah, and Allah are the same entity is pure
>nonsense. Ditto for the idea that Shariah is a substitute for Torah.
>I thought I'd made the case adequately, but apparently I didn't.
You completely failed to address the issue and you seem to
Keith Nagel and Horace Heffner responded;
J. Swift writes:
Our histories of six thousand moons make no mention of any other
My first reaction was to say that I fail to see the connection
between this part of Gulliver's Travels and the the question at hand.
On further reflection You have the misgu
ffner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 11:00 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: OT: The will of God
At 1:32 PM 3/10/5, thomas malloy wrote:
>The scenario which is being played out was prophecized 4000 years
>ago, ergo it is the will of G-d. The Islamists belie
At 1:32 PM 3/10/5, thomas malloy wrote:
>The scenario which is being played out was prophecized 4000 years
>ago, ergo it is the will of G-d. The Islamists believe that Allah has
>blessed their enterprise too. The fact that Allah isn't god has no
>bearing on their behavior, they believe that he is
I apologize for not hearing the sarcasm, which is now
obvious to me. I live and work with fundametalists
every day and so sometimes I am inclined to take
people at their word when they say such things.
I must admit it has been a fun conversation though.
--- "Stephen A. Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED
Merlyn wrote:
Of course I'm being nit-picky Stephen,
I believe the bible to be a good book, and to have
some excellent lessons for our society, but I do not
believe it to be the revealed word of God as you
obviously do.
The main point is that the bible you and I read is not
only a translation of a
Of course I'm being nit-picky Stephen,
I believe the bible to be a good book, and to have
some excellent lessons for our society, but I do not
believe it to be the revealed word of God as you
obviously do.
The main point is that the bible you and I read is not
only a translation of a translation,
Merlyn wrote:
Not to interrupt,
thomas malloy wrote:
As for prophecy, that's all in the interpretation,
Oh, dear, you're being much too nit-picky here.
Check out the book of Isaiah, which, one could argue, is the most
important OT book (that's Old Testament, not Off-Topic) for most
liturgic
> From: thomas malloy
Hi Thomas,
> I listened to Carl's series programs, and he made it quite
> plain that he wasn't a Christian them. You're saying that
> he died unrepentant. I'm doing my duty to the G-d of Israel
> by pointing this out to you, it's not me who is judgmental,
> it's him.
Really
Steven Johnson replied;
Hi Thomas,
From: thomas malloy
First of all, our world view is that there are two religious systems,
Judeo Christian and everything else, which we call the pagan
religions. Now that every thing else is a range of beliefs, what they
all have in common is a disregard for t
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Actually, I think I may have been a rabbi in a
> former life.
Yeah, my wife is a Messianic Jew and we have been
together over 20 years. We *do* argue over her tithe
thing . . . I say it's *after* taxes!
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> From: Terry Blanton
> While I was raised Baptist, I certainly am not now.
> AAMOF, I wasn't too sure what I was until I found:
>
> BELIEF-O-MATIC!!!
>
> Not sure about what religion you are? Then go to:
>
> http://www.beliefnet.com
>
> and take the 20 question test of the belief-o-mat
While I was raised Baptist, I certainly am not now. AAMOF, I wasn't too sure what I was until I found:
BELIEF-O-MATIC!!!
Not sure about what religion you are? Then go to:
http://www.beliefnet.com
and take the 20 question test of the belief-o-matic (third bullet on the left). I am 100% ne
Hi Thomas,
> From: thomas malloy
...
> Not at all, we call our religion Messianic Judaism.
> We keep Sabbath and the Levitical Festivals and do our
> best to be Torah Observant.
Thanks for the clarification.
I can pretty much respect anyone who remain true to their own school. I only
wish to
Hi Thomas,
I hope you don't find this too forward of me to ask but I could use
a clarification as to what your religious preferences are. It is my
understanding that you are of the Evangelical persuasion. Pardon my
ignorance but what remains unclear to me is whether this means you
are Christian
Hi Thomas,
I hope you don't find this too forward of me to ask but I could use a
clarification as to what your religious preferences are. It is my understanding
that you are of the Evangelical persuasion. Pardon my ignorance but what
remains unclear to me is whether this means you are Christian
Not to interrupt,
thomas malloy wrote:
Steven Johnson posted;
>
>
>So, you know for an absolute fact that Allah isn't
God?
> Different name; yod hay vav hay as opposed to Allah,
and Merlyn added;
Same God, different interpretation.
The Jewish/christian god has NO name, this is why
He/She is
Not to interrupt,
thomas malloy wrote:
>
> Steven Johnson posted;
> >
> >
> >So, you know for an absolute fact that Allah isn't
> God?
>
> Different name; yod hay vav hay as opposed to Allah,
> different legal
> system; Sharia verses Torah, different treatment of
> women; no need to
> commen
Hi Thomas,
> From: thomas malloy
> >So, you know for an absolute fact that Allah isn't God?
> Different name; yod hay vav hay as opposed to Allah,
> different legal system; Sharia verses Torah, different treatment
> of women; no need to comment further on that, eh? different
> outcomes, the na
Hi Thomas,
From: thomas malloy
Steven Johnson posted;
>A recent comment by the esteemed Mr. Malloy got me to thinking...
>
>The problem I always have when I hear catchy little phrases like:
>"We Evangelicals see W's [Bush's] election as the will of G-d", or
>"It is Allah's will"
The scenari
Hi Thomas,
> From: thomas malloy
>
> Steven Johnson posted;
>
> >A recent comment by the esteemed Mr. Malloy got me to thinking...
> >
> >The problem I always have when I hear catchy little phrases like:
> >"We Evangelicals see W's [Bush's] election as the will of G-d", or
> >"It is Allah's will"
Steven Johnson posted;
A recent comment by the esteemed Mr. Malloy got me to thinking...
The problem I always have when I hear catchy little phrases like:
"We Evangelicals see W's [Bush's] election as the will of G-d", or
"It is Allah's will"
The scenario which is being played out was prophecized
A recent comment by the esteemed Mr. Malloy got me to thinking...
John F. Kennedy said in is inaugural speech that God's work must truly be our
own. When Abraham Lincoln was asked about his views on religion he stated that
when he did bad he felt bad, and when he did good he felt good: That, Lin
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