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On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > > If - in fact it turns out that Rossi is using this particular nickel > isotope, and from the Kurchatov source, there is a good chance the above > scenario is a fairly accurate portrayal of what is happening. Any comment on the net energy b

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From: Terry Blanton If - in fact it turns out that Rossi is using this particular nickel isotope, and from the Kurchatov source, there is a good chance the above scenario is a fairly accurate portrayal of what is happening. Any comment on the net energy balance? Terry - In a naïve ap

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On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > Whereas Hagelstein’s model, when all is said and done, is an invention > created to match an experimental outcome (which it does) but with no > precedent in physical reality. > I think such models are called "phenomenological models" -- my imp

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On May 5, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Eric Walker wrote: On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Whereas Hagelstein’s model, when all is said and done, is an invention created to match an experimental outcome (which it does) but with no precedent in physical reality. I think such mode

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On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: The very small number of alpha and neutrons can be explained without > assuming CF is the cause. > I guess this is the conclusion I'm trying to better understand -- I understand the part about neutrons. It is the "very small number alpha" par

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http://io9.com/5499139/an-interview-with-peter-hagelstein An Interview With Peter Hagelstein MIT Prof. Peter L. Hagelstein stated in an interview as follows: So after a lot of years of work on it, about 10 years ago we found a model th

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Thank you, Spock. Eric On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > http://io9.com/5499139/an-interview-with-peter-hagelstein > > An Interview With Peter > Hagelstein > > > > MIT Prof. Peter L. Hagelstein stated in an interview

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Eric, I assume that a single mechanism causes CF. This mechanism does not produce energetic particles because if it did, they or their secondaries would be easily detectable when multiple watts are produced, as occasionally happens. Therefore, I reject any energetic emission as being relat

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On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: Eric, I assume that a single mechanism causes CF. > I am probably missing something important, but I don't see how the statement below follows from the one above -- perhaps you are just mentioning it and do not intend it as an essential detail

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Ed Storms states: In other words, the cracks make CF when they grow only to a small gap, but can cause fractofusion if they grow large rapidly. Axil begins: In regard to experimental observation of crack dynamics as follows: https://www.google.com/#q=miley+bose+einstein+condensation&hl=en&ei=w

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On May 5, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Eric Walker wrote: On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: Eric, I assume that a single mechanism causes CF. I am probably missing something important, but I don't see how the statement below follows from the one above -- perhaps you are just m

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Thank you. I now have a better understanding the logic that has led you to the slow-helium formation assumption. On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: The CR-39 measurements were not made when calorimetry was done. Therefore, > we do not know if the alpha relates to heat product

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If this theory from Ed Storms is to be considered universally applicable, experimental results from DGT cannot be ignored. DGT has published their ash assays from their reaction test. They see both fission and fusion reactions in these results. IMHO, the primary causation of these LENR reactions i

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On May 5, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Eric Walker wrote: Thank you. I now have a better understanding the logic that has led you to the slow-helium formation assumption. On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: The CR-39 measurements were not made when calorimetry was done. Theref

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Axil Axil wrote: If this theory from Ed Storms is to be considered universally applicable, > experimental results from DGT cannot be ignored. > These results have to be published in detail and then independently replicated before we can have confidence they are real. There are many cold fusion c

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I recently posted to Ed Storms this opinion of LENR experimentation which show results consistent with what DGT is seeing. https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2013/04/08/isotope-table-lenr-tool/ Several medium and heavy elements like calcium, titanium, chromium, manganese, iron, cobalt, copper and zinc

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https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6id5Hf-xMWOYXVjekJCN1ZkQk0/edit?pli=1 Results from Piantelli On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > I recently posted to Ed Storms this opinion of LENR experimentation which > show results consistent with what DGT is seeing. > > https://chiefio.word

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another one http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/1996/1996Mizuno-IsotopicDistribution-ICCF6.pdf ISOTOPIC DISTRIBUTION FOR THE ELEMENTS EVOLYED IN PALLADIUM CATHODE AFTER ELECTROLYSIS IN D2O SOLUTION T. Mizuno, 'T.Ohmori*, T.Akimoto, K.Kurokawa, M.Kitaichi, K.1noda, K.Azumi, S.Simokawa and M.

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On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: Eric, you need to do some calculations. The CR-39 is an accumulator. The > flux, which determines power , is very small during these studies even > though the final result looks large. At no time could heat be detected > from the reactions pro

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No, Eric, this is not tiresome to us poor unwashed voorts. Except when it occassionaly degenerates into a pissing contest, it is entirely interesting to see ideas (many immediately shot down) spin out. It seems to me that eventually some new useful insight, or synthesis might give either a combata

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Eric Walker wrote: > But if there was no clear excess heat, we have little reason to conclude > we have learned anything from the CR-39 experiments about the alpha > particle flux when there is excess heat. > I do not think they did calorimetry in most of these experiments. We do not know wheth

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Eric, ALL nuclear reactions generate heat. Alpha emission is a nuclear reaction. Therefore, heat was generated. However, the rate of the reaction was too small to make detectable heat from this reaction. The only unknown is whether heat from a different reaction can occur. We know that when

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Ed Storms states: *“We know that when large amounts of heat are detected, alpha emission at a comparable rate does not occur. Clearly, large heat production and alpha emission are not related.”* This could be a false assumption as follows: When a thermalization mechanism that transfers nuclear e

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Of course, no statement can be made about any subject that does not invite a counter argument. No idea about CF can be suggested that cannot be shown to be false. Clearly, unless some triage is used to sort through the arguments and some common sense is applied, the effect will be impossibl

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One of the advantages of Nanoplasmonics is that an experimental methodology and associated tools have been developed that might impact on this sort of experimental ambiguity. This is why I recommend this science to you. The recently referenced experiment on the acceleration of alpha decay shows t

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The alpha particles could be a precursor of the "new fire". Once the fire the starts less smoke is produced. starting a fire with hand drill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF9GiK_T4PA Or maybe alphas are like sparks for the starting the "new fire" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_35kxuwjcTs Har

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Harry, random suggestions guided by no relationship to knowledge is not very useful. My guiding principle is that all aspects of CF are consistent with normal, well known, and accepted laws and rules of both physics and chemistry. Only one small part is missing, which needs to be identified

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Ed Storms stated: “ We need to consider ideas that are consistent with all that is known about materials and about how CF behaves? Unless you can show some consistency with what is known and observed, the ideas are a waste of time. So, put your thinking cap back on.” In the last few years, mater

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I agree. In fact, I believe once gaps of a critical width can be made on purpose in any material, CF will become totally reproducible. Nevertheless, these gaps have to be made using the known laws even though once created, a new phenomenon is initiated. This requirement also applies to th

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The solution is to grow cracks in real time continuously. These renewable cracks are defined by sub nanometer contact points in unlimited numbers in the metal lattice. These drops are self-renewing and totally recyclable in the same way that rain renews water in a puddle. I believe this is what th

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OK Axil, this is not how I view the role of cracks. Presently these gaps are produced by stress relief in the surface region of a material. The stress can be caused by impurities, concentration gradients, or temperature gradients. Regardless of the cause, the process is totally conventional

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p creating pockets? You definitely seem to be on to something and would love to see you put the pieces together. Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 5:33 PM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:RE: From Russia, with love The solution is to grow crac

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uld love > to see you put the pieces together. > > Fran > > ** ** > > *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 5:33 PM > *To:* vortex-l > *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:RE: From Russia, with love > > ** ** > >

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makes the cavity reform? Is it natural for a catalyst to just keep >> creating pockets? You definitely seem to be on to something and would love >> to see you put the pieces together. >> >> Fran >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:jana

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shapes. Fran From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 6:31 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:RE: From Russia, with love OK Axil, this is not how I view the role of cracks. Presently these gaps are produced by stress relief in th

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also lend some support to Rossi’s seeming oversized particle choice and tubule shapes. Fran From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 6:31 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:RE: From Russia, with love OK Axil, this is not

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of > dynamic medium formed by plasma between the particles would be continually > reforming new geometries. The concept would also lend some support to > Rossi’s seeming oversized particle choice and tubule shapes. > Fran > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > *From:* Edmund S

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ial should want >> to backfill the cavity closed. I also think we should consider the inter >> particle geometries formed in light of Axils proposed “metal rain” because >> this is equivalent to Jones suggestion of backfilling a cavity to >> activate/elevate the Casimir force on

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On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: Eric, ALL nuclear reactions generate heat. Alpha emission is a nuclear > reaction. Therefore, heat was generated. > Ha. Yes, I stand corrected. I think I had "excess heat" in mind. Also, Jed brings up a good point about the CR-39 trials --

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the particles would be continually > reforming new geometries. The concept would also lend some support to > Rossi’s seeming oversized particle choice and tubule shapes. > Fran > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > *From:* Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com > ] > *Sen

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On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 8:43 AM, ken deboer wrote: No, Eric, this is not tiresome to us poor unwashed voorts. Except when it > occassionaly degenerates into a pissing contest, it is entirely interesting > to see ideas (many immediately shot down) spin out. > I don't think the voorts are unwashed

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I wrote: Until I have convinced myself that this is correct on the basis of > something other than your assertion, I won't be able to follow you to your > conclusion of slow helium formation. > I should be more specific. What I'm hoping to do is come up with a plausible case that we have not suf

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I wrote: > >1. The 4He evidence has been misinterpreted along the lines that >Hoffman suggests, and although there is a nuclear reaction of some kind, it >is not 4He but something else -- perhaps f/H in connection with tunneling. >2. The 4He evidence has been misinterpreted along t

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On May 6, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Eric Walker wrote: On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: Eric, ALL nuclear reactions generate heat. Alpha emission is a nuclear reaction. Therefore, heat was generated. Ha. Yes, I stand corrected. I think I had "excess heat" in mind. Also

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I wrote: Eric, you need to consider some basic requirements. If an energetic > particle is produced, such as an alpha, a second particle must be present > to carry away the momentum. > Yes -- we are in agreement here. There are various ways to accomplish this apart from the Hydroton. There is a

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From: Eric Walker The 4He evidence has been misinterpreted along the lines that Hoffman suggests, and although there is a nuclear reaction of some kind, it is not 4He but something else -- perhaps f/H in connection with tunneling. 1. The 4He evidence has been misinterpreted along th

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On May 6, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Eric Walker wrote: I wrote: Eric, you need to consider some basic requirements. If an energetic particle is produced, such as an alpha, a second particle must be present to carry away the momentum. Yes -- we are in agreement here. There are various ways to

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In reply to Eric Walker's message of Mon, 6 May 2013 18:21:16 -0700: Hi, [snip] >If that fails, because, for example, Robin shows >overwhelming evidence that the experimenter would be harmed by secondary >EMF if there were watts of 4He's being generated (setting neutrons aside), >I will feel compe

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On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:47 PM, wrote: > In reply to Eric Walker's message of Mon, 6 May 2013 18:21:16 -0700: > Hi, > [snip] > >If that fails, because, for example, Robin shows > >overwhelming evidence that the experimenter would be harmed by secondary > >EMF if there were watts of 4He's being g

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In reply to Eric Walker's message of Thu, 9 May 2013 20:49:04 -0700: Hi, [snip] >On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:47 PM, wrote: > >> In reply to Eric Walker's message of Mon, 6 May 2013 18:21:16 -0700: >> Hi, >> [snip] >> >If that fails, because, for example, Robin shows >> >overwhelming evidence that t

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On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:21 PM, wrote: In short, very roughly, a 1 W unshielded power source would double the > background rate. > Thank you for the numbers. Twice background doesn't sound like all that much; presumably this is near the threshold of detection, and a signal would be easy to swa

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Ed, I suggested two analogies with the videos 1) alphas trigger the reaction like a spark triggering a fire. As you point out this analogy is difficult to square with observations. 2) alphas are like smoke accompanying a fire. Depending on the conditions there can be lots of smoke with little fi

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Harry, it is impossible to apply energy to an alpha unless another particle is involved. You can not propose having energetic alpha emission without also identifying this other particle. Basic laws can not be ignored just because CF is a strange phenomenon. An alpha is normally emitted fro

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From: Edmund Storms Takahashi proposes to form Be8 that fragments after emitting the extra energy as gamma. However, this idea has no experimental support. The other theories do not propose energetic helium is produced. If you want to make a contribution, you need to take these facts into

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On May 11, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Jones Beene wrote: From: Edmund Storms Takahashi proposes to form Be8 that fragments after emitting the extra energy as gamma. However, this idea has no experimental support. The other theories do not propose energetic helium is produced. If you want to m

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From: Edmund Storms I find that all theories are based on a series of assumptions, but some of these assumptions violate basic laws, yet the theory is accepted because the other assumptions are accepted. This is like recommending a road on which the bridge is missing just because the rest

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Jones, you interpretation of what I claim is not correct. My theory and most others try to find a way for the mass-energy to leave the nucleus in units to small be detected. Hagelstein's theory has these units being phonons generated by a process that can only be described by a complex equ

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From: Edmund Storms It would help if you used the definition of gamma ray correctly. Ed, I'm afraid that it us you who is not up to date on the semantics of gamma radiation. Gamma radiation these days is independent of origin, and is merely high energy per photon. Apparently, yo

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In reply to Eric Walker's message of Fri, 10 May 2013 17:05:05 -0700: Hi, [snip] In the situation you describe, there are going to be lots of spallation neutrons, because you only need 2.2 MeV to break a deuterium nucleus into a proton and a neutron, and heavy water is all deuterium. It's going t

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Ok Jones, but we now have a problem with communication. If the word gamma only describes a high energy range, than none of the radiation resulting from LENR can be called gamma. But, how do we describe the source of photons? Must we now give the source in so many words every time? And who

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Very interesting discussion. If can summarize the main points in my own words, it would be something like this -- for a hypothetical heavy water electrolytic system in which watts of prompt alphas are being produced in a palladium cathode by way of a hypothetical d+d+Pd→4He+Pd + Q (22.9 MeV kineti

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In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sat, 11 May 2013 18:04:19 -0700: Hi Eric, I think your summation is quite good. >Very interesting discussion. If can summarize the main points in my own >words, it would be something like this -- for a hypothetical heavy water >electrolytic system in which w