Peter Heckert wrote:
No, it would not burn up. This cable lies free on the floor and in
ambient air.
In your dreams.
But okay suppose that is true. How do you explain the fact that when
there was power going in and when people were looking at the meter,
after anomalous power began, more
Daniel Rocha wrote:
The test has already began, if you count inspecting the machine as
part of the test:
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1095
That's good. It should have begun weeks ago, but that's good.
When I predicted that the instrumentation would be inadequate, I meant
that would be the case
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
I tried early on to reconcile the heat exchanger readings with what could be
occurring in the E-Cat. The placement of the thermocouple makes any power
calculation based on the the delta T highly suspect.
I hope you realize that Houkes
See:
Despommier interview.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/12/is-the-world-re/
Hydroponic farm. Read the captions under the photos:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/10/gotham-greens-hydroponic-farm
- Jed
As noted, Forbes has published an attack on cold fusion:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markpmills/2011/10/28/the-relentless-pursuit-of-magical-energy/?partner=technology_newsletter
This is by someone named Mark Mills. I believe he's a shill for the coal
industry. It is a common name I suppose but
Earlier I said that I do not know the limits of self-sustaining operation
and it might go on in that mode indefinitely. Recently, Rossi said that the
limit for this particular machine is around six hours. I do not recall where
he said that but I am sure he did.
Some people have said he should
Twitter screens do not auto-translate with Chrome. It seems you have to run
the text through Google translate manually, here:
http://translate.google.com/
- Jed
Rossi wrote:
FIRST INFORMATION REGARDING THE 1 MW PLANT TEST:
WE SARTED REGULARLY THE TEST THIS MORNING . EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL
SO FAR. THE 1 MW E-CAT IS WORKING IN SELF SUSTAINING.
That is SPLENDID! Congratulations to Andrea Rossi.
Say what you like about him, he has guts, and he has
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I am hoping that the test today will be well documented and we have access
to the data. Am I dreaming?
If, as Rossi claims, a third-party engineer is collecting the data we
probably will have access to it.
In lieu of that, Lewan is there and he will
I wrote:
Twitter screens do not auto-translate with Chrome.
Ah ha. Left click and select translate.
Thanks Jouni Valkonen for telling me that.
- Jed
I have heard that observers of today's tests are only being allowed to look
at the equipment for a few minutes at a time, and they are not being
introduced to the engineers who are taking the data. They are not being
given a chance to establish the bona fides of these engineers, or to confirm
that
Stirling Allan reported:
*QA just finished; reading of results; 470 kW maintained continuously
during . . .*
I believe Terry Blanton's prediction was the closest to this. He wins the
prize here, if these results are confirmed.
The difference between 470 kW and 1 MW is unimportant.
- Jed
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
And the client was promised 1 to 6 amplification! Wow, happened?
The amplification was reportedly infinite, but anyway, how do you know what
the customer was promised? Were you there during the negotiations?
There certainly was input, as it always
Peter Heckert wrote:
If they only have heated water by about 50° then he would not need any
permission.
In the U.S. you are not allowed to operate a boiler as large as this
without a permit. It makes no difference whether it produces steam or
hot water. You must have a permit; the machine
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
Another 22passi user who was there mentions there were six large (1.5x1.5
meters) heat exchangers with approximately 1 meter wide cooling fans.
Ah! Finally some technical details. That sounds good. Six large heat
exchangers sounds like what
That is wonderful! Splendid!
You have to love a gigantic noisy machine.
I can't wait to hear the details.
Rossi is right about one thing: people will be impressed by the sheer scale
of this thing. Some will believe it just because it is so big and so
wonderfully loud. In the short video he
Yikes. This kind of confirms what I heard. I fear this may mean we will not
find out who did this test or whether they are independent. I don't want to
jump to conclusions but this sounds bad:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/News:October_28%2C_2011_Test_of_the_One_Megawatt_E-Cat
QUOTE
I just got
Documents downloaded here:
http://db.tt/wu4OLbgk
This includes the spreadsheet and three photographs of a document. I just
read the document aloud to voice input. This is practically uncorrected. I
left out some parts.
I apologize for uploading uncorrected text. I would appreciate if someone
An Observant Person points out that the excel spreadsheet found here:
http://db.tt/wu4OLbgk
. . . has Properties is set to:
Manutencoop Facility Management
Could this be a hint?
Here is what Google finds:
http://www.manutencoopfm.it/
- Jed
English version:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3303682.ece
- Jed
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
This likely means that the Excel copy they have is pirated or that it is
property of Manutencoop worker cooperative.
This company does large facility HVAC as Alan Fletcher pointed out. They are
a prime customer for this machine.
- Jed
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
It does not appear to be a large, well-known worldwide industrial group,
however.
It is big enough to buy this machine, and develop it. See:
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=9156703
- Jed
I wrote to Mats Lewan:
It is disappointing that you were not allowed to make measurements and that
we do not know if these engineers were truly from another company. They
might be Rossi's employees. However, you may have been able to make
first-principle observations that confirm the claim even
I wrote:
I take those documents seriously, but I cannot fully trust them without
knowing who those people are and what company they are affiliated with.
Needless to say, if you believe those documents, it is an open and shut
case. There is no chance of a measurement error.
I do, actually,
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
This test has been a colossal disappointment.
I know Rossi pretty well by now, so I was expecting something like this.
Given who Rossi is and how he thinks, this wasn't a colossal disappointment.
You have to remember, he was under no
I wrote:
This test has been a colossal disappointment.
I know Rossi pretty well by now, so I was expecting something like this.
Given who Rossi is and how he thinks, this wasn't a colossal disappointment.
Also, this was not a colossal disappointment to me because, hey, it did not
blow up.
I mean that I predicted GE would NOT want to get involved.
Look at the Manutencoop profile:
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=9156703
Recently founded, growing rapidly, still hungry. Privately owned, leaving
them free to make big decisions and take
the test, and he
decided to blame me.
I copied my message to him here, and it is pretty much what I wrote here:
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3295498.ece/BINARY/Conclusion+Ecat+Oct+6+by+Jed+Rothwell+%28pdf%29
What it boils down to is that Rossi hates to reveal information. He likes
Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote:
How can rossi had a permit if inside the nuclear site there isn’t even a
SINGLE “Nuclear Warning” panel?
I don't know. I have not seen his application or permit. You have a good
point. It might be prudent to set up some signs. I am not sure where you
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
However, this test was by no means made by independed scientists.
Well, supposedly it was. Rossi claims that was an independent engineer. We
have only his word for that.
I take some words back. Rossi's calorimetry was not calibrated. Therefore
Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote:
If you declare to run a 1MW reactor and if you declare that generate heat
with gamma radiation, then it's nuclear.
Is that what Rossi declared in his application for a permit? Did you read
the application or the permit? If you did not, you do not know
Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote:
No matter of what his going on inside the reactor.
Rossi made spectacular claims. He said that he generate heat by gamma
emission.
Yes, he did. Experts think that is unlikely, but he did say that. But did he
tell that to the government when he
Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote:
That does seem likely. Perhaps that means he did not tell them there is
potential gamma emissions.
And what you think Rossi said? “Well, we want an authorization for running
a 1MW electric heater?”
I have no idea what he said. You are Italian.
As noted, there is a photo of Fioravanti and some comments about him by
Lewan here:
http://theeestory.com/posts/215391
I asked Lewan:
Do you know anything about this person? Do you think it is possible he is a
fake who actually works for Rossi? He looks a little old for that.
I do not
Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote:
You need to get a lawsuit against Rossi before asking it.
That's a shame. Okay, maybe you can find out if the people who signed the
report are registered as licensed engineers. See the thread I just posted
about Domenico Fioravanti. The U.S. now has
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
I will make a people search for the US.
He appears to be Italian. Why would he be registered in the U.S? I can look
in a Japanese registry but he probably isn't there either.
But very probably not the real name.
What on earth makes you think that
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
The truth behind might be this: Focardi /thinks/ there could be dangerous
gamma radiation under circumstances, but they never measured this and dont
know.
If so, then he has lied all time to us.
If not so, then he has lied to the authorities to
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
The Customer is of a category that usually maintains secret all they do.
. . .
A skeptic forum member elsewhere predicted those words almost verbatim.
Not hard to predict. Rossi said that before the test. It may not be true,
but that is what he
Document downloaded from here:
http://db.tt/wu4OLbgk
Corrected version. A few confusing spelling errors have been corrected from
the original.
TESTS TO PROOF THE LEONARDO 1 MW REACTOR WORKING BY MEANS OF LOW-ENERGY
NUCLEAR REACTIONS – PROTOCOL PREPARED BY THE PARTIES
The test has been
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed, I meant with calibration, that there was not measured the amount of
steam. Amount of steam correlates with temperature, but this correlation was
not established. Therefore we do not have any means to know, how much steam
is 104.5°C. However
What is an RFG? As in: The reactors have been served by a RFG . . .
There are some minor corrections to this report coming from Rossi. I will
upload a new version later. They are:
1. The weight of the hydrogen bottle is in grams, not kilograms.
2. The indicated flow rate of the pumps at the end
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sure that registration requirements are quite different in other
countries since there is such a variance between states here.
To summarize, even if we find no trace of Fioravanti on line, he may well be
a P.E.
If we can track him down, that proves
Regarding the title of this thread, it is ridiculous. HVAC engineers do not
do blank runs when they certify 1 MW boiler performance. That's not how
they work. As I said, that is like expecting a bridge inspector to construct
another bridge next to the one he is inspecting, in order to compare the
You have to hand it to Krivit: he does not back down or mince his words. If
I were him, I would leave myself some wiggle room in case it turns out
Rossi is not a fraud.
There is no question that Rossi makes it easy for people to attack him.
- Jed
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
I would suggest that someone over at Rossi's blog ask Rossi for information
on Domenico Fiorvanati. State the request simply and politely.
He has already said he does not want to reveal this. Fiorvanati met with
Lewan and
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
His name is Martin Fleischmann and I seriously doubt this conversation
took place.
Something like that took place. I do not know what Teller talked about, but
he did call out of the blue when Fleischmann was mysteriously delayed in
San Francisco.
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
The test was for a customer - his first name was Colonel - who
immediately hooked up the 20-ft container it was placed in and drove
it away.
So, he just wrote AR a check and hooked the container up to his F250
and drove away? So, there wasn't a single
The i-reporter i-reported:
The test was for a customer - his first name was Colonel . . .
I doubt that was his name. Unless he is like Major Major Major Major in
Catch 22.
During WWII there was some discussion of promoting Gen. Marshall to a Field
Marshall which would have made him Marshall
Mark Gibbs wrote:
Allow me to digress for a moment to ask all of you who sent me messages in
tones ranging from polite through to downright rudeasserting that cold
fusion has actually been successfully duplicated: If an experiment that
demonstrates cold fusion has really been replicated in the
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
But are called Ingegnere even if the correct term would be Dottore
in Ingegneria so reading Ing. in front of a name does not imply being
registered
to the Ordine degli Ingegneri unless the document is a public contract.
I think what you
Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com wrote:
However the title Professor is to my knowledge not a protected title, so
anyone could use it.
Here in Atlanta, anyone can call himself a Bishop. See Bishop Eddie Long.
- Jed
See:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3303682.ece
The quality of that video is better than the other ones. Lewan held the
camera steady and explained what the viewer is seeing. There is less
background noise.
By the way, Lewan says he believes input power was measured
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
This amount of heat cannot been unnoticed, it must have bee rather hot
near the heatradiators.
Yes, it was. I believe that is why they were surrounded by barriers. You
can see this more clearly in Lewan's video, that was just uploaded. You can
also
Peter Heckert wrote:
When Lewan looked over the fence to the heat dissipators then he
should have feeled A LOT of hot air. He did not mention anything.
I asked him about that. He said he did not have a chance to reach over
the barrier and check. I believe others have said it was hot.
As I
Peter Heckert wrote:
They test the temperature at the output pipe, but this does not say
much about the energy when the mass flow is not known.
The mass flow is known. It is in the report. It was 675 L/h.
Of course you have to trust that Fioravanti reported it correctly.
It would be
Daniel Rocha wrote:
In that case, there was a ceiling, so, even though the windows were
opened, the hot air was trapped.
The fans were placed outside the building. The barriers around the fans
will prevent much of warm air from getting into the building.
- Jed
Daniel Rocha wrote:
I was not referring to Rossi's building...
Oh. I guess you were talking about the aluminum casting factory
described by Heckert.
These e-mail conversations can be hard to follow.
- Jed
So he is a colonel. Or was. Interesting. There are not too many of them
in NATO. Perhaps there is a list somewhere. It is a shame he is not a
general.
- Jed
Peter Heckert wrote:
I cannot imagine this heating energy being compressed on some m^3
small space without becoming very hot.
There must be an air flow of 4 m^3 / s if 20° air is heated to 100°
(without thermal expansion of air being considered)
I cannot imagine that either, but what is your
Quoting this article:
. . . Once near their destination the conventional aircraft could take
back off from the back of the giant LENR machine and then land on the
ground. The thought is that an air transport scheme like this could save
40% of the fuel required for a conventional flight on a
Peter Heckert wrote:
When you walk by a locomotive you feel a blast of hot air but the air
is not confined and the platform does not get hot.
The use some splywood boards like Rossi and build these airtight
around the locomotive, this way that the flow of cold input air is
inhibited, set the
Peter Heckert wrote:
What do you mean airtight? Those are not even a little airtight. The
top is open to the sky!
What I have meant is an airtight fence made out of plywood boards,
going down to ground and going above the hight of the fans.
It is very obvious that it was open to the sky I
Peter Heckert wrote:
What I have meant is an airtight fence made out of plywood boards,
going down to ground and going above the hight of the fans.
This arrangement /must/ become hot, because the airflow is hindered,
especially the inflow of cold air is hindered, and the air is
enturbulated.
I wrote:
I think there was more than 5,400 L in the holding tanks. The condensate
could have been coming back at a higher temperature than the tanks.
I should have said the condensate *must* have been coming back at a higher
temperature than the water in the tanks. It must have been well
Peter Heckert wrote:
A 10 MW transformer, if it has an efficiency of 99% produces 10 kW
waste heat.
Good point.
In any case, I do not think you can show the temperature of the
condensate must have been at some temperature or another.
- Jed
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
The feedwater temperature is recorded in the spreadsheet, and it gradually
rises.
Yes this can be. Unfortunately the usage of the second watertank is
not known.
It is also not known if the second heatdissipator and the second stem tube
where
Danny Ross Lunsford antimatte...@yahoo.com wrote:
No, I meant that to be a top-level post. I'm not very adept yet at this
format for discussions.
Just assign a new thread title in the Subject line and you will create a
new top level item.
This software sometimes goes bonkers like the
Peter Heckert wrote:
Had he documented the airflow and temperatures in a credible way or
had he used an industrial cooler that has known calibration data, then
the energy would have been proven almost irrefutable.
He documented the water flow. The water was vaporized. The temperature
was
Peter Heckert wrote:
No. if it was hot water, then the energy was 5 times less than 100 kW.
If there was a cold water flow in the other pipe, then it was less
than 50 kW.
If there was a heater near the thermoelement, then it was almost zero.
Especially Domenico Fioravanti (customer engineer)
Peter Heckert wrote:
Yes, he is an expert. And as an expert he would have know there was a
heater near the thermocouple, or that there was cold water in the
other pipe. Any expert would notice this. Heck, I would notice this
in an instant.
So you have X ray eyes?
When you insert a large
vorl bek wrote:
There is no point to listing all the ways
they might have cheated.
I thought he pointed out evidence that they DID cheat, i.e. not
enough heat from the radiator corral.
That was a different discussion. I think that is debatable. In this
case, Heckert was listing various
The title of this thread, asserting that there may be press suppression,
seems llike nonsense to me. No major mass media this paper will report this
kind of event. What are they going to say? An engineer from an unknown
company made a claim that no scientist or engineer would believe, without
Peter Heckert wrote:
You are in error. There was a time when I believed. (After analyzing
the Essen Kullander demo)
I do not see how anyone can believe that and disbelieve the Oct. 6. I
thought the latter was much more convincing.
When I see it output 470 kW energy and heat at the
Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com wrote:
In hindsight I'm glad Rossi pursued his approach of building a big system
to be shown to the World, which can produce up to 1 MW i.s.o. of showing
only a couple of small e-cats with only a couple of kW.
I still disagree, vehemently. I think this is
Peter Heckert wrote:
With the October 6 test there was so much false selfcontradicting
information about Defkalion, Steam, Pressure and so on, and the claims
where not coincident with the observations, for example hot water
shooting out with obviously high pressure while Rossi claimed it is
Did someone here attend the recent conference shown on YouTube? Apparently
George Miley gave an informal extra presentation about recent results with
the Arata technique, gas loaded Pd-Zr. He is out of touch. When I can reach
him I will ask for any PowerPoint slides on this. The slides I saw in
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Since the pump rate was constant, that means the power level was constant
with a precision of +/- 0.09 percent. (That's 9/100 of 1 percent.) This,
in a process which is said to be hard to start and hard to control.
Either that, or the water
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Did the buyer take away the huge eKat in its storage container?
No he left it in Rossi's care. Andrea plans to sell it again to another
buyer.
A variation on the gift that keeps on giving.
- Jed
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Mongo want's to know who's currently in possession of the eCat. Cuz...
maybe that's where Mongo left left his box of candy.
Rossi, or the alleged anonymous customer?
Inquiring Minds Wanna Know.
No idea.
- Jed
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
If you haven't already seen it, skip to about 5:30 in for George Mileys
talk on what his group is up to (or 14:00 to get to gas loading stuff):
http://www.youtube.com/user/kiholobay#p/u/2/N1m2wQevFAY
*There* it is. Thanks.
getting about
Kinda stupid. See:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/11/02/andrea-rossi-italian-cold-fusion-plant/
Okay. Dennis Cravens told me that Miles is using:
15 to 30 g of ZrO2 with 35% Pd at 60psi 100-300 Watts self heats from
room temperature. It is loaded with deuterium.
Someone else wrote, assuming Miley means 350 W/kg. With 20 g of Pd that
works out to be 7 W. Since there is no input, it should
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
I think it's vanishingly unlikely that the power level could have been
held constant to better than 1%, and precisely matched to the pump
rate. Jed and a number of other people see no problem with it.
Nonsense! I never said that. I said I assume the water level
vorl bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
Why is it stupid? It sounds like a standard mainstream (and
you can not get more mainstream than Fox News) gee-whiz science
story . . .
I guess so. I would call it ignorant, unscientific blather. Also, regarding
cold fusion and its history, it is a grab
Miley wrote to Cravens:
Yes, we are getting some good gas loading results at the 100s of watt
level!!
That's with the smaller, ~20 g samples.
There was a slide toward the end of his presentation showing a NASA RTG,
which said that he is getting 350 W/kg. I guess that slide is out of date.
Miley slides are here:
http://ecatsite.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/dr-george-miley-replicates-patterson-names-rossi/
- Jed
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Either that, or the water level fluctuated. That seems more likely to
me. When it starts to rise, you increase the reaction. When it falls
too far, you throttle it.
This is, of course, all old stuff being reiterated here. In the test
from last spring, the
Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Also more mainstream media:
Cold Fusion experiment: Major Success or Big Hoax?
http://news.discovery.com/tech/cold-fusion-02.html
Looks like the same article, copied from Fox.
I see an uptick in traffic at LENR-CANR.org. Not dramatic, but probably
related to the
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I think I know the reason why there is always a question in such a
demonstration. No one has ever performed an experiment that has completely
eliminated any optional explanation for the results obtained.
On the other hand, some experiments are more
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
He must allow to connect tested and calibrated calorimetric equipment
provided by an independent party to the steam output of the ecat, and allow
to connect professional instruments that record the electrical input power.
Thats all. Then he must
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
He must do this if he wants to do a scientific level proof of evidency.
He has said countless times that he does not care what scientists think. He
is only interested in what his customers think. That is a perfectly valid
set of standards. Many
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Exactly which test do you refer to? What was the date?
Despite my use of the singular, I wasn't thinking of a single specific
test; as far as I can recall, all the steam tests done in the spring
supposedly had the same output temperature, to within a degree: 101C
I wrote:
The colonel and others who know a lot about steam have all said that they
are certain this was dry steam.
I mean that he said that about Rossi's previous tests. And this one too.
There is no doubt the Oct. 28 test produced only dry steam. You can see the
condensate collection bucket
Mattia Rizzi wrote:
I think that the Colonel was hired by Ampenergo.
Why would they hire someone to tell them what they already know? Rossi
and Ampenergo did not use the colonel to improve their own credibility.
By the way, Rossi confirmed that he has already worked with the Colonel.
Mattia Rizzi wrote:
So did the colonel, and so did the document they published.
I mean, Rossi and the colonel have worked toghether in the past.
Yes, I know they have. They talked about it. No one disputes that they
have. What's your point? Do you think that anyone who has worked with
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Wait -- do you mean Miley's recent work on Patterson-type cells?
Nope. Gas loaded ZrPd powder. Similar to Arata. Roughly the same power
density as Rossi.
I've never argued that what Rossi is claiming is physically
impossible. He's too clever to claim perpetual
Mattia Rizzi wrote:
Jed Rothwell: it. If there had been a lot of water coming out with
steam, that bucket would have overflowed in no time.
Mattia Rizzi: Incorrect since the valve is pratically closed. SImply
you don't know.
Lewan felt the lower pipe and the valve attached
This is a pretty good report. Way better than Fox News.
- Jed
Peter Heckert wrote:
Rossi is a magically talented engineer but because he never has proven
his claims -and this would be easy if true- we must assume that he
abuses his abilities to fool us.
Theory of magic:
It is possible to keep the water boiling if you realize that the
amperemeter was
Peter Heckert wrote:
This is how he appears to you, and this is why he doesnt invite you.
He wants to look like a crook? This is complicated reverse psychology.
It could easily backfire I suppose, and have the opposite effect. I
suppose he also wanted the authorities to send him to jail
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