[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-18 Thread José L .
The debian packaging group is online: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-web2py/ Please, join the group if you want to collaborate/help/test the packaging. I'll wait some days before beginning to upload the first files. Also, all the packaging talk can be done in the group, instead of

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-17 Thread José L .
On 16 oct, 15:40, LightDot light...@gmail.com wrote: I have written an internal Fedora RPM for web2py a while ago and tried to follow Fedora's packaging guidelines. I'm a RHEL/CentOS sysadmin and take care of quite a few hosting servers, my main objective was to easily use it on our

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-16 Thread Mark Breedveld
Some packager told as that libraries should be in some directory according too the guidelines. I checked it back then and he was right. But I don't now how heavy that counts. It would also be easier to update several instances of web2py since the most updates will happen there. But if you say

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-16 Thread Mark Breedveld
apache2-web2py Well I originally launched the same plan as you and we also came too the same conclusion as you. No way too do it, because of the three reasons I mentioned before. guidelines, maintainable, etc So stick to the original plan. Get a simple version of web2py on air. With

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-16 Thread José L .
On 16 oct, 10:54, Mark Breedveld m.breedv...@solcon.nl wrote: apache2-web2py Well I originally launched the same plan as you and we also came too the same conclusion as you. No way too do it, because of the three reasons I mentioned before. guidelines, maintainable, etc So stick to the

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-16 Thread LightDot
I have written an internal Fedora RPM for web2py a while ago and tried to follow Fedora's packaging guidelines. I'm a RHEL/CentOS sysadmin and take care of quite a few hosting servers, my main objective was to easily use it on our RHEL/CentOS servers with Cherokee. I don't want to steal the

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-16 Thread mdipierro
Thanks this is a helpful comment. I will ty to answer some questions although I do not have an answer. On Oct 16, 8:40 am, LightDot light...@gmail.com wrote: I have written an internal Fedora RPM for web2py a while ago and tried to follow Fedora's packaging guidelines. I'm a RHEL/CentOS

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-15 Thread Jurgis Pralgauskis
Maybe You could use https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/ if you'd create stable branch on bazar and add packaging recipy like https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mdipierro/web2py/devel/+new-recipe from https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mdipierro/web2py/devel (notice

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-15 Thread Mark Breedveld
You have the idea. Thanks for clearing it towards the others. My guesses it we need to do both. Because Jose goal is general purpose and mine aswell, but comes with overkill in the most cases. In Jose case I would suggest a slight change. web2py-core web2py-gluon This has been discusses before,

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-15 Thread José L .
On 14 oct, 23:51, Christopher Steel chris.st...@gmail.com wrote: If your break things down into one or more “debian” packages and at least one web2py application you could end up with a phenomenally powerful and easy to maintain setup that could have resounding repercussions, so to speak,

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-15 Thread José L .
On 15 oct, 11:33, Jurgis Pralgauskis jurgis.pralgaus...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe You could usehttps://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/ if you'd create stable branch on bazar and add packaging recipy likehttps://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mdipierro/web2py/devel/+new-recipe

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-15 Thread José L .
On 15 oct, 13:32, Mark Breedveld m.breedv...@solcon.nl wrote: You have the idea. Thanks for clearing it towards the others. My guesses it we need to do both. Because Jose goal is general purpose and mine aswell, but comes with overkill in the most cases. In Jose case I would suggest a

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-15 Thread Christopher Steel
IMHO I would not separate anything. A big part of Web2py's magic is that you do don't need to install it. Keeping everything together insures that upgrades will always work via the web2py web interface (with a pleasant side effect being that you do not have to repackage each time Web2py is updated

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-15 Thread mdipierro
I do not know what the best way and retaining the ability to to hot upgrades is important. Just to add a piece of information. Jonathan is working on a re factoring that will allow web2py to be installed in one folder, keep applications/configurations/logs in another, and run from a third folder.

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-14 Thread José L .
On 13 oct, 22:29, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: I feel this will be a maintenance nightmare unless it somehow upgrades itself. The release process of debian is very slow compared to ours. Yes and not. Debian is three distributions: stable, testing and sid. If you want to run sid,

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-14 Thread José L .
On 13 oct, 23:17, Richard richar...@gmail.com wrote: I remember talk about ability to upgrade through admin - is that practical? It works, but it must be disabled in the Debian package. Versions can not be upgraded without upgrading the package, that would break the system packages

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-14 Thread José L .
On 13 oct, 23:18, Tim Michelsen timmichel...@gmx-topmail.de wrote: I feel this will be a maintenance nightmare unless it somehow upgrades itself. The release process of debian is very slow compared to ours. You can have automatic daily builds of a source tree import to your

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-14 Thread José L .
On 14 oct, 02:36, Mark Breedveld m.breedv...@solcon.nl wrote: Hello Guys, My apologise for my late update on the project. Had to get my propedeuse  :p. And next 1 - 1,5 year I hope to do my graduation project on HRO. Which I hope is implement or extends web2py manager. In other topics

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-14 Thread Mark Breedveld
I've not so much time. But we have done this discussion before. There where three problems with packaging web2py. - Really frequent release period (not impossible for someone with a lot time) - Difficult to implement according the packaging guidelines - Difficult to implement with user separation

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-14 Thread José L .
On 14 oct, 17:24, Mark Breedveld m.breedv...@solcon.nl wrote: I've not so much time. But we have done this discussion before. There where three problems with packaging web2py. - Really frequent release period (not impossible for someone with a lot time) I've already answer this before:

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-14 Thread Mark Breedveld
Well that makes a hope clear. I learned a lot from your explanation. You did rule out almost the obstacles. And the last one should solve able. Changing some process within web2py. I need this for my project. So if you need anything, please let me know. Direct mail will grantee answer... and

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-14 Thread Christopher Steel
If your break things down into one or more “debian” packages and at least one web2py application you could end up with a phenomenally powerful and easy to maintain setup that could have resounding repercussions, so to speak, for all parties. How does the following example sound? Package 1,

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-13 Thread mdipierro
web2py -f folder It should work but you may want to check. Perhaps we may need a patch. Massimo On Oct 13, 1:55 pm, José L. jredr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, as it seems that time goes by, and no available packages for Debian are ready, I'm going to begin to work on it seriously to upload web2py

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-13 Thread José L .
On 13 oct, 21:00, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: web2py -f folder It should work but you may want to check. Perhaps we may need a patch. I'll try it, I guess some other files will be needed, but I'll report my progress. Anyway maybe you could add some code to web2py.py so if it

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-13 Thread mdipierro
I feel this will be a maintenance nightmare unless it somehow upgrades itself. The release process of debian is very slow compared to ours. On Oct 13, 3:12 pm, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: Hi José, The .deb is badly needed to spread web2py even more! Would that be

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-13 Thread Richard
I remember talk about ability to upgrade through admin - is that practical? On Oct 14, 7:29 am, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: I feel this will be a maintenance nightmare unless it somehow upgrades itself. The release process of debian is very slow compared to ours. On Oct 13, 3:12 

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-13 Thread Tim Michelsen
I feel this will be a maintenance nightmare unless it somehow upgrades itself. The release process of debian is very slow compared to ours. You can have automatic daily builds of a source tree import to your PPA: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-13 Thread mdipierro
the fact is... where is web2py going to reside? where are the apps going to be? What will be the permissions? Perhaps we should just provide a function like web2py deploy [where] web2py start [where] web2py stop [where] web2py upgrade [where] which some other options like --use apache --use

Re: [web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-13 Thread Michele Comitini
+1 the package could be web2py installation manager (a debconf launched by dpkg --reconfigure web2py) and add dependencies like a system python and needed modules. 2010/10/14 mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu: the fact is... where is web2py going to reside? where are the apps going to be?

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-13 Thread Martin.Mulone
On 13 oct, 18:17, Richard richar...@gmail.com wrote: I remember talk about ability to upgrade through admin - is that practical? In production with wsgi-apache2 is not practical. A dream if I can do in the server: sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade. The process of debian is very slow,

[web2py] Re: Packaging web2py for Debian

2010-10-13 Thread Mark Breedveld
Hello Guys, My apologise for my late update on the project. Had to get my propedeuse :p. And next 1 - 1,5 year I hope to do my graduation project on HRO. Which I hope is implement or extends web2py manager. In other topics we discussed the complexity and problems. Some of us agreed that we