Hello,
I have created a component that doesn't need a HTML template. It's for adding
a specific 'link' element to the head, so I started by looking at
ERXStyleSheet, and it just adds the HTML content directly in
appendToResponse(), just as ERXStyleSheet does. It all works just fine, except
f
Yeah, you don't need a bundle. You just have to load the model yourself
with a path or url.
John
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Andrew Lindesay wrote:
> Hello;
>
> If I build a little stand-alone application in a jar file and want to use
> EOF away from WebObjects, is the concept of a "bundl
Hi,
I have an app that I added a one way relationship, the to one part
( because the to many is too many) and things work, except when I go
into pages that are D2W generated. Then it explodes or implodes. I
get the following with wo 5.3.3 and Wonder 5.0.0:
INFO 2009-11-24 15:19:23,755
>> I feel sometimes I invest a lot of energy on something that has a blury
>> future, and that fact makes getting people or clients hard to believe
>> developing in wo is a good choice. Maybe if just Apple show some clear
>> interst or a defined roadmap will be nice.
> Join the club :-/ We have
> Join the club :-/ We have to make our "plan directeur" (sorry, don't know how
> to translate that correctly) and we have to say that we can continue to use
> WO because of Wonder and the fact that WO will work as long as we have a JVM.
> But at the same time, we had a demo of how to create for
On Nov 24, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> If you had your magic wishing well, what would you wish for WO to do that it
> doesn't?
I wish that when I find on line 409 of WOWebServiceClient that someone decided
to hand the WSDLReader's readWSDL a null instead of url.toString(), thus
bo
On 2009-11-24, at 5:51 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> The community has arisen in response to Apple pulling back (e.g., Entity
> Modeler was written because of Apple's decision to pull the tools).
> You've got it backwards I'm afraid.
Not really, IMHO, Apple is now recognizing
Hello;
If I build a little stand-alone application in a jar file and want to use EOF
away from WebObjects, is the concept of a "bundle" relevant? In other words,
can I avoid the concept of a bundle? I ask because the build system would
involve combining the majority of the "jars" into one bui
Le 09-11-24 à 20:51, Martin Perez Barreiro a écrit :
I believe it is a great thing that a wo oriented conference exists
(no mater if it is because apple dropped wo sessions), but I also
feel that would be nice if Apple as the 'owner' of WO showed some
interest on it.
We have Apple peopl
I believe it is a great thing that a wo oriented conference exists (no
mater if it is because apple dropped wo sessions), but I also feel that
would be nice if Apple as the 'owner' of WO showed some interest on it.
I feel sometimes I invest a lot of energy on something that has a blury
future, an
The community has arisen in response to Apple pulling back (e.g., Entity
Modeler was written because of Apple's decision to pull the tools). You've
got it backwards I'm afraid.
>>>
>>> Not really, IMHO, Apple is now recognizing the great contributions from the
>>> community, whic
Le 09-11-24 à 19:12, Lachlan Deck a écrit :
On 25/11/2009, at 11:03 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:
Let's remember *why* these community conventions were organised...
because Apple, who used to offer various training in WO even
internationally at one stage has decided to offer very
On 25/11/2009, at 12:04 PM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:
>> The point is that Apple did not want to stand in the way of something better
>> suited.
>>
>> lol... because as a company they're just generous at heart when it comes to
>> setting their technology free ;-)
>>
>>> In their opinion
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Talking about history; we have been using WebObjects since 1998.
>
> Cool.
>
>> The point is that Apple did not want to stand in the way of something better
>> suited.
>
> lol... because as a company they're just generous at heart when it comes to
> setting their technology fr
On 25/11/2009, at 11:32 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:
The community has arisen in response to Apple pulling back (e.g., Entity
Modeler was written because of Apple's decision to pull the tools). You've
got it backwards I'm afraid.
>>>
>>> Not really, IMHO, Apple is n
>>>
>>> The community has arisen in response to Apple pulling back (e.g., Entity
>>> Modeler was written because of Apple's decision to pull the tools). You've
>>> got it backwards I'm afraid.
>>
>> Not really, IMHO, Apple is now recognizing the great contributions from the
>> community, which
On 25/11/2009, at 11:13 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:
> On 2009-11-24, at 3:39 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote:
>
>> On 25/11/2009, at 8:20 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:
>>
>>> This is funny; however, from our experience, Apple does actually listen to
>>> us, and showing them an "i don't c
>
>
>
>> One could ague that Apple is recognizing the community and adjusting its
>> convention strategy accordingly. Why have WO sessions at WWDC if such
>> content are much better addressed at WOWODC?
>
> I'm just making the point that Apple is not responding to the community's
> drive to
On 2009-11-24, at 3:39 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote:
> On 25/11/2009, at 8:20 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:
>
>> This is funny; however, from our experience, Apple does actually listen to
>> us, and showing them an "i don't care" attitude will most likely result in
>> us being stuck with 5.4
On 25/11/2009, at 11:03 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:
>>
>> Let's remember *why* these community conventions were organised... because
>> Apple, who used to offer various training in WO even internationally at one
>> stage has decided to offer very little.
>>
>> Now it seems to me, give
>
> Let's remember *why* these community conventions were organised... because
> Apple, who used to offer various training in WO even internationally at one
> stage has decided to offer very little.
>
> Now it seems to me, given their WO direction, that it was good for them to
> consolidate an
On 25/11/2009, at 7:14 AM, Ralph Scheuer wrote:
> Hi Kieran,
>
> Am 24.11.2009 um 19:19 schrieb Kieran Kelleher:
>
>> 1) The customer sometimes is willing to compromise and give you a Linux box
>> ... deployment on Linux is as easy as Mac more-or-less. So, if they won't
>> let you use Mac, as
Hi Alan,
Sorry if that's taken in the wrong way. Obviously, Apple has much more
sophisticated ways to invest than I do.
But at my bank you get like 0.5% on CDs. If you go to a mainland bank you get
like 1.5% on CDs.
A quick Google search turns up the following:
http://www.usinflationcalc
On 25/11/2009, at 9:01 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:
> On 2009-11-24, at 1:52 PM, Martin Perez Barreiro wrote:
>
>> Apple listens to Apple.
>
> really, and also to our community.
>
>> Im not sure how much they care about WO developers right now, come on!
>
> believe me, they do!
>
>> j
On 25/11/2009, at 8:20 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:
> This is funny; however, from our experience, Apple does actually listen to
> us, and showing them an "i don't care" attitude will most likely result in us
> being stuck with 5.4.3 & Wonder, and Apple keeping WebObjects to themselves,
Um, Johnny... I'm an Apple shareholder too and I'm pretty sure that
Apple's ROI on cash is above the current rate of inflation.
Can you point me to numbers that support your assertion that hoarding
cash results in losing money?
I'm just curious... I mean, you throw that out there like it's
Hi!
Very good post, as always! :)
I'm an engineer, not because my diploma says so (I actually never
got my physical diploma, it's somewhere in some room on the basement
of some building) but by passion. What I really care about is
technology, is creating optimal solutions for existing
Hi Mike,
Your preaching to the choir :p I'm not disparaging Wonder in anyway, I'm a
very happy user.
I'm just saying the following. Apple may or may not care about WO. But they
have to care about the enterprise, it's way too big a market to ignore.
Getting back to your chronology, in 2002
Realistically, though, would you? Given all the things Apple could spend their
money on, does it really make sense to invest it in WO? I wouldn't ... I love
WO, but there's a HIGHLY questionable value proposition for Apple with it. One
could argue that having a community to hire from is of some
On 25/11/2009, at 12:17 AM, Lawson, Ben wrote:
> Perhaps it's inheritance?
>
> The name and templateId keys belong to the CBTemplate class. We are using
> single-table inheritance to distinguish between several types of templates
> (pages, components...). The fetch is for page templates, and th
I imagine they are doing that too. I'm just saying that the incremental cost
of supporting/marketing (they already develop it?) WO:
1. Wouldn't even be measurable to investors.
2. Could lay the ground work for a future marketplace.
There must be some other reason that isn't obvious to me. I
On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Anjo Krank wrote:
Not really sure of the messages can be useful, tough, as they use
the name of the constraint:
ERROR: duplicate key value violates unique constraint "bb"
and not the key (postgres). So the end user probably won't know
about this. But it may s
You could certainly make apps in a JS front-end with restful services with
SproutCore or Cappuccino today. GWT is a little trickier, only because you have
to drink more kool-aid. As far as REMAKING Gianduia, I think this would be a
huge undertaking. Certainly possible, it's not magic, but I woul
Not really sure of the messages can be useful, tough, as they use the name of
the constraint:
ERROR: duplicate key value violates unique constraint "bb"
and not the key (postgres). So the end user probably won't know about this. But
it may still be better than a real exception.
Cheers, Anjo
Hi Johnny,
Well, sometimes I dont understand why apple does certain things, I like to
think they have a plan. For some reason I stick with Apple stuff anyway, I
still like wo over other alternatives, but day after day this other
alternatives become more and more attractive. Not sure what will do i
Given their track record, I think they (and the shareholders) would be
best served by using the money to invent the next iPhone like paradigm
changing device. iPhone, iPod, iMac, they seem to have some serious
skills in this area.
Chuck
On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Johnny Miller wrote:
Hi Martin,
I'm not arguing that at all. I'm just saying I don't understand the logic they
are using.
Apple has tons of cash. So they can use that cash to buy companies, spend it
on R & D, invest it or horde it/pay taxes.
Apple doesn't make many major acquisitions. So, if they horde it in t
On 2009-11-24, at 1:52 PM, Martin Perez Barreiro wrote:
> Apple listens to Apple.
really, and also to our community.
> Im not sure how much they care about WO developers right now, come on!
believe me, they do!
> just looking at wwdc talks you can get the feeling wo is not an important
> th
On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Anjo Krank wrote:
>
> Am 24.11.2009 um 21:27 schrieb Chuck Hill:
>>> The last I found about it (from May, 2008) was a discussion about using an
>>> ERXEC delegate, which in turn would use the DB specific ERXSQLHelper.
>>>
>>> Did anyone ever actually implement this
Apple listens to Apple. Im not sure how much they care about WO developers
right now, come on! just looking at wwdc talks you can get the feeling wo is
not an important thin for Apple right now (at least wo developers outside
Apple labs).
My 2 cents.
kind regards,
Martin.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 a
I agree that it's not smart to wait for Apple and I for one can continue using
WO by relying on the aid of the Wonder community.
But HP and IBM are 100 billion dollar + companies. At some point to grow
revenue Apple is going to have to go back into the enterprise.
I just don't understand why
Apple is a (what's it now 20? 30?) billion dollar company. They are (and should
be) driven by what benefits their shareholders. It *may* be that some push from
inside of Apple by some more enthusiastic developers inside of Apple *may*
result in some - er, I can hardly say the word without a gigg
This is funny; however, from our experience, Apple does actually listen to us,
and showing them an "i don't care" attitude will most likely result in us being
stuck with 5.4.3 & Wonder, and Apple keeping WebObjects to themselves, and
we'll never be synchronized with the latest and greatest Apple
Am 24.11.2009 um 21:27 schrieb Chuck Hill:
>> The last I found about it (from May, 2008) was a discussion about using an
>> ERXEC delegate, which in turn would use the DB specific ERXSQLHelper.
>>
>> Did anyone ever actually implement this?
>
> Yes.
What he said :P
But there are no implement
Much less harder than remembering the frigging name...
The thing is neat mostly in the sense that there seems to be a no-learning
curve for WO devs. But all the crappy release politics make it a total no-go,
regardless of its other merits.
Cheers, Anjo
Am 24.11.2009 um 21:58 schrieb Kieran
How hard would it be to make our own Gianduia? or to have similar
functionality using ERXRest framework and Cappucino, GWT, or sth like
that? Is Gianduia so revolutionary that we could never make something
comparable in Wonder?
On Nov 24, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Anjo Krank wrote:
The obviou
Am 24.11.2009 um 21:39 schrieb Chuck Hill:
> Wonder. Pfft. Wonder deadlocks so that lock traces look pretty. :-P
Of course! You think I do all this work so no one ever sees them!?
Cheers, Anjo
___
Do not post admin requests to the list. They wi
The obvious exception being Gwandalu...Guwundo... Hazelnut. But that is yet to
be released, so it doesn't count in their favor.
Cheers, Anjo
Am 24.11.2009 um 21:21 schrieb Mike Schrag:
> I was just in the midst of typing the same thing. Almost all of our new
> deployments will be on Linux in
On Nov 24, 2009, at 12:49 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
Can you share this implementation? I don't see it in Wonder.
Wonder. Pfft. Wonder deadlocks so that lock traces look
pretty. :-P
You can find the most current version in our GVCValidation
http://www.global-village.net/chill/gvc_framew
On Nov 24, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
>
> On Nov 24, 2009, at 12:34 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
>
>>
>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 12:17 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
>>>
Did anyone ever actually implement this?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>
And if Apple really want to know if they are "making money" with us
because of WO, they can use the results of the surveys we do every
year...
I was just in the midst of typing the same thing. Almost all of our
new deployments will be on Linux in a VM infrastructure. And I don't
need Appl
I'm awaiting Chuck's wrath and scorn.
Dave
On Nov 24, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Jerald Dawson wrote:
> Oh wow, you have no idea how much crow I would have to eat if I ever used
> twitter usefully! I have a friend who would be all over me about that. :-)
>
> On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:30 PM, David Avendasor
On Nov 24, 2009, at 12:34 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
On Nov 24, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Nov 24, 2009, at 12:17 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
Did anyone ever actually implement this?
Yes.
Okay, I guess I asked for that.
Yes.
Can you share this implementation? I don't
Oh wow, you have no idea how much crow I would have to eat if I ever used
twitter usefully! I have a friend who would be all over me about that. :-)
On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:30 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
> How about sending a message to that new remote-messaging api - Twitter.
>
> Pascal's got Tw
On Nov 24, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
>
> On Nov 24, 2009, at 12:17 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
>
>> Did anyone ever actually implement this?
>
> Yes.
Okay, I guess I asked for that.
Can you share this implementation? I don't see it in Wonder.
Dave
How about sending a message to that new remote-messaging api - Twitter.
Pascal's got Twitter components and everything.
:-)
Dave
On Nov 24, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Jerald Dawson wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I was wondering if anyone can point me to examples of using the
> AjaxPushRequestHandler in project
On Nov 24, 2009, at 12:17 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
Hi all,
I've found a few places where people discuss what the best way to
handle GeneralAdapterExceptions triggered by violation of a unique
constraint on a given table.
The last I found about it (from May, 2008) was a discussion abou
I was just in the midst of typing the same thing. Almost all of our new
deployments will be on Linux in a VM infrastructure. And I don't need Apple to
provide me anything. I can't really think of a WO enhancement that can't be
done by a 3rd party. IMO, for the past 5 years, the community has bro
Hi Kieran,
Am 24.11.2009 um 19:19 schrieb Kieran Kelleher:
> 1) The customer sometimes is willing to compromise and give you a Linux box
> ... deployment on Linux is as easy as Mac more-or-less. So, if they won't let
> you use Mac, ask if you can use Linux and setup CentOS or RHEL on it.
>
Hi Pascal,
Am 24.11.2009 um 21:00 schrieb Pascal Robert:
> Well, it's Apple who write the WO license, and their license clearly says
> that we can deploy on any OS... And I'm glad they did because leasing or
> buying a Xserve to host wocommunity.org would mean instant bankrupt for me...
Exact
On Nov 24, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Anjo Krank wrote:
> HE might smite us like the flies we are!
Speak for yourself.
Dave
David Avendasora
Senior Software Engineer
K12, Inc.
*
WebObjects Documentation Wiki :
http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/
*
WebObjects API:
http://devel
Hi all,
I've found a few places where people discuss what the best way to handle
GeneralAdapterExceptions triggered by violation of a unique constraint on a
given table.
The last I found about it (from May, 2008) was a discussion about using an
ERXEC delegate, which in turn would use the DB sp
Jesus. Apple will do what they want. Nothing you, I or anybody else says or
does will make much of a difference. Nor should we really care, it's not like
they did something useful in the last 5 years or so.
You sound like they were some sort of rain god. "Let's show we are loyal, or
else HE mig
Hi all
I was wondering if anyone can point me to examples of using the
AjaxPushRequestHandler in project wonder. I need to have my clients notified
when something on the application changes (in this case, a new trade
notification comes in) and don't want to have to poll the server to see if
an
Well, it's Apple who write the WO license, and their license clearly
says that we can deploy on any OS... And I'm glad they did because
leasing or buying a Xserve to host wocommunity.org would mean instant
bankrupt for me...
If we want Apple to release new WebObjects versions, beyond 5.4.3
If we want Apple to release new WebObjects versions, beyond 5.4.3, to the
community, the worst thing we can do is talking about Windows and Linux. We
should be very clear about this: if we expect Apple to do anything for us in
the regard, we should be loyal to Apple by only developing and deplo
1) The customer sometimes is willing to compromise and give you a
Linux box ... deployment on Linux is as easy as Mac more-or-less. So,
if they won't let you use Mac, ask if you can use Linux and setup
CentOS or RHEL on it.
2) Project Wonder has source for Adaptors. I see IIS adaptor so
Hello everybody,
due to the fact that some of our customers use Windows servers, I
would be interested how others deploy their WO apps on Windows these
days...
The wiki only refers to Apache when it comes to WO 5.4 on Windows and
does not mention IIS...
However, some customers need spec
Just FYI,
For those of you who don't want to fork out $500 for a profiler or
don't want to waste time trying to make trial versions work when they
don't work "out of the box", but would like to get snapshots of
objects in memory showing class type, and quantity logged periodically
to a lo
Hi Kaplana,
I'll keep the answer in the list since it can be of value to others.
I've committed the change to Project Wonder. If you are not using
Project Wonder, you can add the java file to your own project or
framework preserving package. In case of framework you'll need to make
sure the frame
Perhaps it's inheritance?
The name and templateId keys belong to the CBTemplate class. We are using
single-table inheritance to distinguish between several types of templates
(pages, components...). The fetch is for page templates, and the sort is based
on their name key.
At the moment, it loo
Committed. I'm not sure if it makes sense to fix the Set and
Dictionary subclasses as well - we don't have any problems with them
and bug reports in lists described problems with Array only.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> just go ahead and commit it ... if i said otherwise
just go ahead and commit it ... if i said otherwise originally, old me was just
being too conservative :)
On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:33 AM, Denis Frolov wrote:
> Here is my recent email on this matter:
> http://lists.apple.com/archives/Webobjects-dev/2009/Nov/msg00459.html
>
> The fix works fine for
On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:25 AM, Anjo Krank wrote:
>> com.chello.dbkit.eo.CBPageTemplate found with globalID: > [templateId: '1011'] >
>
> vs:
>
>> at com.chello.dbkit.eo._CBTemplate.name(Unknown Source)
>
> Can this be an inheritance thing?
This is my guess as well. What's the difference b
com.chello.dbkit.eo.CBPageTemplate found with globalID:
vs:
at com.chello.dbkit.eo._CBTemplate.name(Unknown Source)
Can this be an inheritance thing? Also:
. The problem
is that occasionally the sorting trips up
ERXDatabaseContextDelegate.databaseContextFailedToFetchObject when
fa
WebObjects is embedded, and here's the full stack trace: :)
2009-11-23 17:27:46,048 FATAL -[7345:2020 3] Application (?:?) - Application
-1 handled exception: No com.chello.dbkit.eo.CBPageTemplate found with
globalID:
er.extensions.eof.ERXDatabaseContextDelegate$ObjectNotAvailableException: N
Well, I do need a new session, because I use the session to handle the current
documents, just like a shopping-cart.
I use ERXJSOpenWindowHyperlink to start a directAction, but I always get the
same session.
Frank
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